Finally decided to venture into the TOPRE world...
But what confuses me is that is the silenced novatouch tkl good as the HHKB pro 2?
Because the cost of a silenced novatouch tkl + dye sub pbt keycaps is already higher than a stock HHKB Pro 2 with dye sub pbt keycaps(not including the abs spacebar)....
Anyone can give an opinion? :D
HHKB.
Yes even tho u said that I'm a seal but still I agree with this guysss I even said to myself too that I'm not goin any smaller than tklHHKB.
The seal knows best.
I've tried both the Novatouch and HHKB and found myself liking the HHKB more. The layout didn't bother me (strange, since I said I'd never want to go smaller than a TKL) and the feels were much better.
I can't believe I'm going to make this comment. Just feels like the biggest meme ever now, but:
HHKB
Stock HHKB is better than stock NT
Silenced NT is better than stock HHKB
Silenced NT feels better than silenced HHKB
HHKB layout/keyboard ergonomic/shape is better than NT
NT has more keys (clusters, f-keys...) while HHKB misses a lack of them
I have both, i prefer HHKB overall because i like 60% more than TKL, the HHKB layout looks also better to me but silenced NT is great keyboard aswell (in my opinion as i stated above, NT feels more firmly, sturdier in your hands)
Hard choice imo, both are very good (if it has been silenced)
Stock HHKB is better than stock NT
Silenced NT is better than stock HHKB
Silenced NT feels better than silenced HHKB
HHKB layout/keyboard ergonomic/shape is better than NT
NT has more keys (clusters, f-keys...) while HHKB misses a lack of them
I have both, i prefer HHKB overall because i like 60% more than TKL, the HHKB layout looks also better to me but silenced NT is great keyboard aswell (in my opinion as i stated above, NT feels more firmly, sturdier in your hands)
Hard choice imo, both are very good (if it has been silenced)
If you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
If you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
No topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
If you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
No topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
No topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
how does a seal even type?
No topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
how does a seal even type?
demilky pls i have a hands tooNo topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
how does a seal even type?
text to speech has gotten incredibly good.
there's no way those flaps are getting a keyboard wet.
demilky pls i have a hands tooNo topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
how does a seal even type?
text to speech has gotten incredibly good.
there's no way those flaps are getting a keyboard wet.
Dis is me hands demilkdemilky pls i have a hands tooNo topre with topre cherry with cherry stuffIf you want cherry mx keysets on a HHKB, just get some sliders off of CTRL ALT soon.But when?! The only consistent option is to buy a novatouch since the topre clone keyboards with cherry mx sliders are so difficult to track down :-[
Side question, does anyone think it's worth it just to go ahead and scavenge my novatouch for the sliders to put on a realforce? I'm concerned that it will effect the feel and don't know if it's really worth it yet.
how does a seal even type?
text to speech has gotten incredibly good.
there's no way those flaps are getting a keyboard wet.
no u dont you silly sealShow Image(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/18/26C2D96E00000578-3000299-Flipper_facepalm_The_seal_was_later_seen_trying_to_cover_his_fac-a-20_1426677721770.jpg)
Yes even tho u said that I'm a seal but still I agree with this guysss I even said to myself too that I'm not goin any smaller than tklHHKB.
The seal knows best.
I've tried both the Novatouch and HHKB and found myself liking the HHKB more. The layout didn't bother me (strange, since I said I'd never want to go smaller than a TKL) and the feels were much better.
yes off courseYes even tho u said that I'm a seal but still I agree with this guysss I even said to myself too that I'm not goin any smaller than tklHHKB.
The seal knows best.
I've tried both the Novatouch and HHKB and found myself liking the HHKB more. The layout didn't bother me (strange, since I said I'd never want to go smaller than a TKL) and the feels were much better.
So it has your seal of approval?
yes off courseYes even tho u said that I'm a seal but still I agree with this guysss I even said to myself too that I'm not goin any smaller than tklHHKB.
The seal knows best.
I've tried both the Novatouch and HHKB and found myself liking the HHKB more. The layout didn't bother me (strange, since I said I'd never want to go smaller than a TKL) and the feels were much better.
So it has your seal of approval?
hhkb get my seal of approval
I have both I use the HHKB at work and the Nova at home and I like both. They definitely have a different feel, the HHKB is more tactical feed back and spunky and the Nova touch is softer and smoother. It would be hard for me to choose between the two after having them both. If you feel like customizing the keycaps get the Novatouch if you like the smaller form factor get the HHKB. I do love the HHKB with Hasu controller.I'm curious. Which feature makes your HHKB spunky? I think I would prefer a spunky HHKB over a less than spunky variety.
Leopold FC660C?No
I am typing on a friends now and it actually motivated me to get a PLUM84 now that they are back under $100 if you buy using the app.
These really do feel nice once you get used to them and the steel plate in the novatouch and FC660C really does make your keytouches feel more solid though the HHKB has no flex or anything at all, its just that i feel like I can feel stuff through the board as I type with other fingers.
Honestly, never thought I would like a Topre as I like Alps best and Gat blues second.
The HHKB has the benefit of being able to get a programmable controller allowing it to be fully customizable. which is nicer for sure. The lack of programmable options on Topre kinda sucks.
Leopold FC660C?No
I am typing on a friends now and it actually motivated me to get a PLUM84 now that they are back under $100 if you buy using the app.
These really do feel nice once you get used to them and the steel plate in the novatouch and FC660C really does make your keytouches feel more solid though the HHKB has no flex or anything at all, its just that i feel like I can feel stuff through the board as I type with other fingers.
Honestly, never thought I would like a Topre as I like Alps best and Gat blues second.
The HHKB has the benefit of being able to get a programmable controller allowing it to be fully customizable. which is nicer for sure. The lack of programmable options on Topre kinda sucks.
Leopold FC660C?No
I am typing on a friends now and it actually motivated me to get a PLUM84 now that they are back under $100 if you buy using the app.
These really do feel nice once you get used to them and the steel plate in the novatouch and FC660C really does make your keytouches feel more solid though the HHKB has no flex or anything at all, its just that i feel like I can feel stuff through the board as I type with other fingers.
Honestly, never thought I would like a Topre as I like Alps best and Gat blues second.
The HHKB has the benefit of being able to get a programmable controller allowing it to be fully customizable. which is nicer for sure. The lack of programmable options on Topre kinda sucks.
demik's opinions, best opinions. So insightful..
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I know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?1 thing that I've to say to you :
I know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?1 thing that I've to say to you :
HHKB.
feels, layout, feels againI know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?1 thing that I've to say to you :
HHKB.
Is this decision purely based on feels?
I know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?
listen to this manI know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?
we dont speak of the f660c(rap)
I mean it would be nice if you would criticize the f660c with actual criticism.listen to this manI know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?
we dont speak of the f660c(rap)
Don't take it personally. They say that about anything with a winkey ;)I mean it would be nice if you would criticize the f660c with actual criticism.listen to this manI know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?
we dont speak of the f660c(rap)
But then again it all depends on personal preference
I see :P It does look like it would be hard to get used to the hhkb latout thoughDon't take it personally. They say that about anything with a winkey ;)I mean it would be nice if you would criticize the f660c with actual criticism.listen to this manI know this is off-topic, but how does the f660c compare to the other two?
we dont speak of the f660c(rap)
But then again it all depends on personal preference
I see :P It does look like it would be hard to get used to the hhkb latout though
OOOOOOORRRRRRRR
Just get the TMK controller and set it to something that you feel a bit more comfortable with.
Finally decided to venture into the TOPRE world...I'm one of the world's fastest and use an HHKB2. Never used Cherry or any other Topre. Never wanted to. Go HHKB2.
But what confuses me is that is the silenced novatouch tkl good as the HHKB pro 2?
Because the cost of a silenced novatouch tkl + dye sub pbt keycaps is already higher than a stock HHKB Pro 2 with dye sub pbt keycaps(not including the abs spacebar)....
Anyone can give an opinion? :D
You can't say you're that fast without posting a video. C'mon now :))Finally decided to venture into the TOPRE world...I'm one of the world's fastest and use an HHKB2. Never used Cherry or any other Topre. Never wanted to. Go HHKB2.
But what confuses me is that is the silenced novatouch tkl good as the HHKB pro 2?
Because the cost of a silenced novatouch tkl + dye sub pbt keycaps is already higher than a stock HHKB Pro 2 with dye sub pbt keycaps(not including the abs spacebar)....
Anyone can give an opinion? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE)Thank you :thumb:
I'm a noob to these forums. Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here. Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail. The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute. It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here :).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE)dude how do you type that fast without any typos???
I'm a noob to these forums. Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here. Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail. The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute. It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here :).
L33t h4x. Lol, nah. Years of practice and good reading and spelling skills matter a lot. I can't swear by this, but a high-protein diet might help with quicker thinking, too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE)dude how do you type that fast without any typos???
I'm a noob to these forums. Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here. Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail. The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute. It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here :).
the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear
It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.
I second the amazing placement of the control key. However, why would you say it's not good for gaming?L33t h4x. Lol, nah. Years of practice and good reading and spelling skills matter a lot. I can't swear by this, but a high-protein diet might help with quicker thinking, too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQj3kRVHVLE)dude how do you type that fast without any typos???
I'm a noob to these forums. Created an account to show off my custom HHKB2 key-cap setup after being inspired by some of the jaw-dropping setups on here. Still waiting for the last keys to come in the mail. The vid is by no means all I'm capable of, just an easy sample at one short minute. It's so freaking cool to connect with other nerds -- I mean "geeks" on here :).
To not hijack the thread, OP, the HHKB2 has the CTRL key in a great place, the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear, and the small size makes it really easy to type with it on your lap, something I highly recommend for speed typing. It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.
If Topre kept with the materials listed in the patent you'll have a hard time finding a topre dome that has cracked from stress. I doubt that there is a person on this forum that has seen a cracked Topre dome ;)the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear
Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.
Why not?
I meant I've had my HHKB2 for a year, used it heavily every day, and it's as good as new; so durability isn't an issue unless you take it hiking. For my work software I need the F keys, and having to hold the FN key and then F key kind of stinks, but I knew this going into the HHKB2 lifestyle and got used to it pretty quick. It's a non-issue now but might be to some people, especially intensive F-key users.the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear
Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.
Why not?
I meant I've had my HHKB2 for a year, used it heavily every day, and it's as good as new; so durability isn't an issue unless you take it hiking. For my work software I need the F keys, and having to hold the FN key and then F key kind of stinks, but I knew this going into the HHKB2 lifestyle and got used to it pretty quick. It's a non-issue now but might be to some people, especially intensive F-key users.the polymer is strong enough to last a year of heavy typing so far with no wear
Wait.. are you saying that the HHKB would only last one year?It's not a good board for robust gaming or programming, though.
Why not?
But is HHKB Pro 2's layout hard to get used to?Can't speak to the comparison, but the HHKB2 is super easy to get used to. Just get one. You won't regret it, and if you do someone here will buy it from you, if not me ;).
And does the feeling of the two similar or vastly different from each other?
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Yeah that's the disadvantage of topre. They're still a rubber dome after all
So what I want to know is, are there a way to mako rubber dome back to its new state?
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.
The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.
So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.
My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.
My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.
The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.
So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.
My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.
My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.
My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.
Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.
The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.
So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.
My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.
My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.
My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.
Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?
Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.
All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.
The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.
So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.
My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.
My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.
My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.
Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?
Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.
All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.
We've had a couple of members with HHKB Pro 1 that has lasted well for about that long. Albeit a little yellowed, but that too can be rectified (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61502.0).
Ah I see now. Yeah, well, I must say that in my house, the rubberdome of the HHKB wears out in 2 years or so. But I anticipated that already given stories of some hhkb owners saying that some hhkb is more stiff than the other.
Your rubber dome has worn out in 2 years?? Or are you saying you think it will? Or are you saying it hasn't after 2 years?
Can you post pics? That would be interesting...you really don't hear or see anyone talk about that on here...
Let me be clear and specific to avoid confusion. I bought a black HHKB two years go and used it as my daily driver before moving onto my KUL ES 87 as daily driver and now my 87U 55g as daily driver.
The first thing I noticed upon pushing down keys was that it was way stiffer than I expected giving these "topre is buttersmooth" stories. Then I read here that people say that sometimes they leave some boxes longer in storage at the manufacturer or at the seller, so the rubberdome already hardens a bit.
So then I bought a second white hhkb and that IS indeed butter smooth.
My black HHKB is SO hard now that YES I would say it HAS worn out and I should replace the rubber dome. It feels as bad as a regular crappy logitech keyboard. Well... not THAT bad of course. But it feels dry, it feels hard.
My 1.5y old white hhkb is perfect, and so is my 3m old black 87u 55g.
My white HHKB is about 5 years old (just over, actually), and is as smooth as.
Maybe it had something to do with the environment where the keyboard was stored - extremes of temperature or humidity perhaps?
Yeah perhaps my first was just and old / bad one. That's why I bought a white one coz people keep saying it is softer than the black one.
All my other topres are smooth as butter, just that only one. But as a collector (and heavy OCD'er) I hope that they will last 10+ years.
We've had a couple of members with HHKB Pro 1 that has lasted well for about that long. Albeit a little yellowed, but that too can be rectified (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61502.0).
That's really cool!
All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.
All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.
I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:
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All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.
I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:
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I've wondered with that - there's no Esc, and no Ctrl to do Ctrl-[ - how do you generate an Esc code?
All (might have been 2 at various stages) said they were holding up very well.
I also have this lying around... still works as new.. all switches intact:
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I've wondered with that - there's no Esc, and no Ctrl to do Ctrl-[ - how do you generate an Esc code?
I'm not an expert on how to generate an esc code, but I believe the absence of esc had to do with the fact that Apple's design team found an esc as dos had not intuitive because esc usually means escaping from dialogs / closing dialogs. So you sitting there looking at dialogs / windows and all of a sudden the window is gone. Why? Because you pressed a key. Not sure, but I believe that was the story why there is no esc. It is a non-reversible UI operation, which they found appalling.
Ctrl / Ctrl-[.. on a Mac everything is Cmd + ???
Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.
Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.
Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.
Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.
Leopold is a nice keyboard indeed if you dig the arrow cluster. But they are difficult to obtain right now, right? At least EK doesn't have them anymore.
Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.Totally wrong
Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.
I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video : i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different
Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway
I'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video : i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different
Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway
I'm not really enjoy the sound of NovatouchThey sound really similar to me, the nova is more rattly though.
Video : i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different
Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway
Silencing mod will turn Novatouch as one of best Topre keyboard in term of feelingI'm not really enjoy the sound of Novatouch
Video : i've used them both and decide to keep HHKB pro 2 and buy Type-s too, it's pretty different, typing feel, the touch is totally different
Novatouch have purple topre which mean is more silence but the sound its bad, i don't like it in anyway
Case-mount wins again :D
wait... is the novatouch case mounted?
wait... is the novatouch case mounted?
AFAIK plate mounted.
Leopold FC660c (topre) --> it's like a hhkb with arrow cluster. You should at least throw it into the mix of boards to consider.
Only downside to a FC660c is that you can't program it like an hhkb (see recent creation of hhkb external card which makes this possible) -- if you're into that.
Leopold is a nice keyboard indeed if you dig the arrow cluster. But they are difficult to obtain right now, right? At least EK doesn't have them anymore.
EK always has a very low stock of topre keyboards. But you can easily get one in all the usual places, even Amazon has it.
hhkb pro 2
the novatouch is horrible garbo
Stock HHKB is better than stock NT
Silenced NT is better than stock HHKB
Silenced NT feels better than silenced HHKB
HHKB layout/keyboard ergonomic/shape is better than NT
NT has more keys (clusters, f-keys...) while HHKB misses a lack of them
I have both, i prefer HHKB overall because i like 60% more than TKL, the HHKB layout looks also better to me but silenced NT is great keyboard aswell (in my opinion as i stated above, NT feels more firmly, sturdier in your hands)
Hard choice imo, both are very good (if it has been silenced)
Stock HHKB is better than stock NT
Silenced NT is better than stock HHKB
Silenced NT feels better than silenced HHKB
HHKB layout/keyboard ergonomic/shape is better than NT
NT has more keys (clusters, f-keys...) while HHKB misses a lack of them
I have both, i prefer HHKB overall because i like 60% more than TKL, the HHKB layout looks also better to me but silenced NT is great keyboard aswell (in my opinion as i stated above, NT feels more firmly, sturdier in your hands)
Hard choice imo, both are very good (if it has been silenced)
What about unmodded Novatouch?
Does it really suck that much compared to stock HHKB Pro 2?
Nah you completely wrong, i had lubbed and silenced NT, it feels equally good as my silenced HHKB
I can tell non silenced and unlubbed Topre keyboards really sucks even your HHKB
NT is the way to go for someone who wants the best of Topre and MX Cherry keycaps compatibility but you have to mod it (imo, any Topre keyboards needs to be silenced)
Nah you completely wrong, i had lubbed and silenced NT, it feels equally good as my silenced HHKB
I can tell non silenced and unlubbed Topre keyboards really sucks even your HHKB
NT is the way to go for someone who wants the best of Topre and MX Cherry keycaps compatibility but you have to mod it (imo, any Topre keyboards needs to be silenced)
The Novatouch just feels cheap to me. When I tried it, it was loud and rattled. The HHKB, especially the Type-S, is brat far the superior board.
It really comes down to whether you want to mod your board or not.
I love my Novatouch, but if I can get used to the 60% format after my Infinity arrives, I'll buy an HHKB and give it a go. I use home, end, page up, and page down a ton, so having those under a function layer will take some getting used to.
Nah you completely wrong, i had lubbed and silenced NT, it feels equally good as my silenced HHKB
I can tell non silenced and unlubbed Topre keyboards really sucks even your HHKB
NT is the way to go for someone who wants the best of Topre and MX Cherry keycaps compatibility but you have to mod it (imo, any Topre keyboards needs to be silenced)
Nah you completely wrong, i had lubbed and silenced NT, it feels equally good as my silenced HHKB
I can tell non silenced and unlubbed Topre keyboards really sucks even your HHKB
NT is the way to go for someone who wants the best of Topre and MX Cherry keycaps compatibility but you have to mod it (imo, any Topre keyboards needs to be silenced)
This is a dumb question but when you mean silencing, are you just talking about O-Rings?
And lubing a Novatouch? Where do I lube? I've never lubed any keyboard before