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why did you put it in off topic and not just in input devices? :E
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
High end wireless has been right up there for a while.
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired mice - and in this case, since it's logitech's new team... it's better than most other mice in performance.
I am impressed by what's been shown so far, but I don't think the shape is for me.
I'm more concern with the weight
for me G602 with two batteries is perfect, and now I'm using MX master since I don't play games as much anymore
but G900 seems too light
Why is it so ridiculously expensive? Here in the Netherlands I'd have to pay 180 euro's! My Avior 7000 was "only" 80.
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
High end wireless has been right up there for a while.
I have, and it's not there :-) really nowhere near as good.
you should read up some on the sensors and what performance is being measured etc.
G700 is rather crap, actually. but it depends on what level you play at, and how picky you are, of course. it's not "high end" by any measure, though.
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
High end wireless has been right up there for a while.
I have, and it's not there :-) really nowhere near as good.
you should read up some on the sensors and what performance is being measured etc.
G700 is rather crap, actually. but it depends on what level you play at, and how picky you are, of course. it's not "high end" by any measure, though.
Oh, I'm picky, but at some point, all those stats are just for ego stroking and not actually doing anything for you.
I played FPS for years and did quite well using wireless.
wireless = trash especially for mice
I'm now more excited for a G503.. or idk, call it mx600 instead..
Just take the newest sensor, put it into an mx5** case.. reduce the weight to 60g..
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
High end wireless has been right up there for a while.
I have, and it's not there :-) really nowhere near as good.
you should read up some on the sensors and what performance is being measured etc.
G700 is rather crap, actually. but it depends on what level you play at, and how picky you are, of course. it's not "high end" by any measure, though.
Oh, I'm picky, but at some point, all those stats are just for ego stroking and not actually doing anything for you.
I played FPS for years and did quite well using wireless.
then not picky enough I'd say, the click latency and even just overall latency was far too high, and the sensor of the G700S has some inherent issues (I think it's the Avago 9800? or 9500. both have the same issue) with tracking. :p
the new G900 has feet like it. it kind of looks like logitech is now stuck using weird shapes like that on all of their mice :-/
edit: well, maybe slightly less weird. but still weird!
Grrr, all those sharp points are just snags waiting to happen, especially if you have to pull them off to open it.Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/c/cf/900x900px-LL-cfc86731_KDLndW2.jpeg)
fyi, picture taken from this review: http://www.overclock.net/t/1595865/review-of-logitech-g900-chaos-spectrum-wireless-gaming-mouse-by-ino
the new G900 has feet like it. it kind of looks like logitech is now stuck using weird shapes like that on all of their mice :-/
edit: well, maybe slightly less weird. but still weird!
Latency on newer high end mice can almost always be attributed to one of few things.
A hub, interference, or placing the receiver too far away. It doesn't go down on your (metal) tower, or up next to your monitor (more metal), which seems to be where everyone puts them. The plate in your keyboard can also be an issue or even a drink in the way.
Surface also has an impact as the mouse tries to figure out what's going on, the G700 and G700 doesn't like glass it works, but it's laggy and inconsistent, the MX Performance has no issues with glass, however on certain fabrics, it's worse than the G700S on glass. This can effect wired mice as well, but seems to effect wireless more, probably due to them using lower power processors. I've never seen a mouse (wired or not) that I couldn't induce tracking issues with, even if you ignore glass.
surely, and I've tried G700S as well as G602 (which BTW is a lot better than G700S) - they're alright in lag but didn't measure up with wired. the G900s seems to be many many times faster in the avg user's setups.Waaaaah... It has acceleration... Cry me a river.
the sensor itself is the culprit here, just google Avago 9500 / 9800 problems and you'll find all you need. better on hard surfaces but still not good enough.
it's not consistent in its tracking at different speeds, is the summary of it. it's not considered high end by any means, sorry.
it seems to be the first wireless mouse with performance as good as wired miceYou never looked at the G700 I guess.
High end wireless has been right up there for a while.
I have, and it's not there :-) really nowhere near as good.
you should read up some on the sensors and what performance is being measured etc.
G700 is rather crap, actually. but it depends on what level you play at, and how picky you are, of course. it's not "high end" by any measure, though.
Oh, I'm picky, but at some point, all those stats are just for ego stroking and not actually doing anything for you.
I played FPS for years and did quite well using wireless.
then not picky enough I'd say, the click latency and even just overall latency was far too high, and the sensor of the G700S has some inherent issues (I think it's the Avago 9800? or 9500. both have the same issue) with tracking. :p
Latency on newer high end mice can almost always be attributed to one of few things.
A hub, interference, or placing the receiver too far away. It doesn't go down on your (metal) tower, or up next to your monitor (more metal), which seems to be where everyone puts them. The plate in your keyboard can also be an issue or even a drink in the way.
Surface also has an impact as the mouse tries to figure out what's going on, the G700 and G700 doesn't like glass it works, but it's laggy and inconsistent, the MX Performance has no issues with glass, however on certain fabrics, it's worse than the G700S on glass. This can effect wired mice as well, but seems to effect wireless more, probably due to them using lower power processors. I've never seen a mouse (wired or not) that I couldn't induce tracking issues with, even if you ignore glass.the new G900 has feet like it. it kind of looks like logitech is now stuck using weird shapes like that on all of their mice :-/
edit: well, maybe slightly less weird. but still weird!
Grrr, all those sharp points are just snags waiting to happen, especially if you have to pull them off to open it.Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/c/cf/900x900px-LL-cfc86731_KDLndW2.jpeg)
fyi, picture taken from this review: http://www.overclock.net/t/1595865/review-of-logitech-g900-chaos-spectrum-wireless-gaming-mouse-by-ino
surely, and I've tried G700S as well as G602 (which BTW is a lot better than G700S) - they're alright in lag but didn't measure up with wired. the G900s seems to be many many times faster in the avg user's setups.Waaaaah... It has acceleration... Cry me a river.
the sensor itself is the culprit here, just google Avago 9500 / 9800 problems and you'll find all you need. better on hard surfaces but still not good enough.
it's not consistent in its tracking at different speeds, is the summary of it. it's not considered high end by any means, sorry.
I'm not trying to be rude.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
I'm not trying to be rude.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
that's just bad argumenting. it's not a minor amount for someone using a low sensitivity, you're most likely a more casual gamer than those who seek out the best. it's likely okay to use for a lot of people, but it still makes it an inferior product. there's entire threads on this here on Geekhack, so it's not like I'm the only one.
bad analogy. and you were rude, no need to excuse it.
I'm not trying to be rude.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
that's just bad argumenting. it's not a minor amount for someone using a low sensitivity, you're most likely a more casual gamer than those who seek out the best. it's likely okay to use for a lot of people, but it still makes it an inferior product. there's entire threads on this here on Geekhack, so it's not like I'm the only one.
bad analogy. and you were rude, no need to excuse it.
calm down guyz..
Laser sensor has that +/- 5% tracking variation.. This we know..
But that's worst case.. it's reduced by making sure you got the proper surface for it.
yes :p
if you do fast flicks with lower sensitivity, this will cause you to over and undershoot due to the inconsistency/variability a lot though. no bueno.
but I am sure you know this. even with the proper surface it might still be too much though.
yes :p
if you do fast flicks with lower sensitivity, this will cause you to over and undershoot due to the inconsistency/variability a lot though. no bueno.
but I am sure you know this. even with the proper surface it might still be too much though.
i purchased a used G9x today, should arrive next week.
apparently one of the highest variances of all mice, should be fun comparing it to my "normal" mice.. :-)
unless the shape is close to perfect for me, i doubt i'll even actually use it. but when a mouse with "legendary status" comes along for cheap, i just can't help myself, i want to see what the fuss is about.
haven't touched a laser mouse in years though, i bet it'll feel filthy
Low res may be the issue, I use high sensitivity, often as high as I can get. And no, I was not a casual gamer (yes a girl who games!), I was playing COD, L4D2, the BF series and a few others pretty heavily and scoring near the top of the charts regularly (and accused of using aimbots quite a bit). I cannot stand low res.I'm not trying to be rude.that's just bad argumenting. it's not a minor amount for someone using a low sensitivity, you're most likely a more casual gamer than those who seek out the best. it's likely okay to use for a lot of people, but it still makes it an inferior product. there's entire threads on this here on Geekhack, so it's not like I'm the only one.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
bad analogy. and you were rude, no need to excuse it.
Low res may be the issue, I use high sensitivity, often as high as I can get. And no, I was not a casual gamer (yes a girl who games!), I was playing COD, L4D2, the BF series and a few others pretty heavily and scoring near the top of the charts regularly (and accused of using aimbots quite a bit). I cannot stand low res.I'm not trying to be rude.that's just bad argumenting. it's not a minor amount for someone using a low sensitivity, you're most likely a more casual gamer than those who seek out the best. it's likely okay to use for a lot of people, but it still makes it an inferior product. there's entire threads on this here on Geekhack, so it's not like I'm the only one.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
bad analogy. and you were rude, no need to excuse it.
You said it yourself it's low res users, the world has moved on.
What will you do on a 4k monitor, use your whole desk to move across a quarter of your screen? :))
And some of you need to lighten up, you are taking this far too seriously.
Low res may be the issue, I use high sensitivity, often as high as I can get. And no, I was not a casual gamer (yes a girl who games!), I was playing COD, L4D2, the BF series and a few others pretty heavily and scoring near the top of the charts regularly (and accused of using aimbots quite a bit). I cannot stand low res.I'm not trying to be rude.that's just bad argumenting. it's not a minor amount for someone using a low sensitivity, you're most likely a more casual gamer than those who seek out the best. it's likely okay to use for a lot of people, but it still makes it an inferior product. there's entire threads on this here on Geekhack, so it's not like I'm the only one.
A few people might be able to detect it, but it sure seems a very small minority cry like whiney brats every time a new mouse comes out that has even the smallest bit of acceleration. Many of whom probably can't detect it if they tried.
It's B.S. to claim it's a "bad" sensor because you dislike it. I dislike Red and Black switches, I may as well game with rubber domes for all they do for me, that doesn't mean they are low end or will not offer any other advantages.
bad analogy. and you were rude, no need to excuse it.
You said it yourself it's low res users, the world has moved on.
What will you do on a 4k monitor, use your whole desk to move across a quarter of your screen? :))
And some of you need to lighten up, you are taking this far too seriously.
I didn't know you were a girl nor does it actually matter here (nor should anyone care. plenty of girls game). whether it worked or not for you is not the issue here, it is simply that it is an inferior product with issues. if high end is dictated by price and listed specs... well sure, but it's not better in real world use.
the resolution is not the issue, it's the fact that if you move your mouse fast, it will be variable results each time even if you move it the same amount. can't rely on muscle memory the same way.
I'm wondering who's taking it too seriously here... ;) you seem very keen on defending your product.
still bad analogy, and I did not mention resolution on screens? DPI was used just as a measure of sensitivity in this case, if you use high DPI your mouse will move further.
I have used plenty of 4K screens and I don't mind using DPI at 800-1600 or whatever, now you're just exaggerating and being a jerk for no reason. jitter is an issue with higher DPI but that's an entirely different topic.
enough trolling.
I didn't know you were a girl nor does it actually matter here (nor should anyone care. plenty of girls game). whether it worked or not for you is not the issue here, it is simply that it is an inferior product with issues. if high end is dictated by price and listed specs... well sure, but it's not better in real world use.
the resolution is not the issue, it's the fact that if you move your mouse fast, it will be variable results each time even if you move it the same amount. can't rely on muscle memory the same way.
I'm wondering who's taking it too seriously here... ;) you seem very keen on defending your product. it's a discussion board, this is what you're supposed to do. if you don't want to, just stay out of it.
still bad analogy, and I did not mention resolution on screens? DPI was used just as a measure of sensitivity in this case, if you use high DPI your mouse will move further.
I have used plenty of 4K screens and I don't mind using DPI at 800-1600 or whatever, now you're just exaggerating and being a jerk for no reason. jitter is an issue with higher DPI but that's an entirely different topic.
enough trolling.
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
you can disable acceleration in the Newest mice..
but , are you talking about angle snapping, or acceleration..
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
you can disable acceleration in the Newest mice..
but , are you talking about angle snapping, or acceleration..
*taps microphone* um, I believe I am talking about acceleration? Teach me senpai
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
you can disable acceleration in the Newest mice..
but , are you talking about angle snapping, or acceleration..
*taps microphone* um, I believe I am talking about acceleration? Teach me senpai
I was referring to mouse acceleration. But if I look in my Mionix Avior 7000 control center I can also adjust angle snapping.
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
you can disable acceleration in the Newest mice..
but , are you talking about angle snapping, or acceleration..
*taps microphone* um, I believe I am talking about acceleration? Teach me senpai
angle snapping is when the mouse draws straight lines when it should be diagonal.
Acceleration is tracking error, when the mouse over or under shoots.
I didn't know you were a girlYes, I hide it so well, what with the name and avatar.
Can't you turn off the acceleration is most modern mice? I guess people really like the sensor
http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist (http://www.overclock.net/t/1565518/pmw3366-why-do-you-exist)
I'm only aware of disabling acceleration in the OS or perhaps on the firmware of a mouse. But I guess you cannot do much when it is inherent to the sensor used?
you can disable acceleration in the Newest mice..
but , are you talking about angle snapping, or acceleration..
*taps microphone* um, I believe I am talking about acceleration? Teach me senpai
angle snapping is when the mouse draws straight lines when it should be diagonal.
Acceleration is tracking error, when the mouse over or under shoots.
alright, thank you
I didn't know you were a girlYes, I hide it so well, what with the name and avatar.
I only mentioned it because you said the most common phrase women hear when they say they play games, that it's only "casual games". Sorry, we don't all play Candy Crush. It was not bragging or trolling, what you said came off as extremely sexist, intentional or not.
Sorry if I don't fit your idea of a gamer, some of us don't do things the normal way, but occasional we can still kick ass at it even if we break the rules.
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Logitech Exclusive deal with pixart..
But I think that 1 year agreement expires soon.
I didn't know you were a girlYes, I hide it so well, what with the name and avatar.
I only mentioned it because you said the most common phrase women hear when they say they play games, that it's only "casual games". Sorry, we don't all play Candy Crush. It was not bragging or trolling, what you said came off as extremely sexist, intentional or not.
Sorry if I don't fit your idea of a gamer, some of us don't do things the normal way, but occasional we can still kick ass at it even if we break the rules.
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Logitech Exclusive deal with pixart..
But I think that 1 year agreement expires soon.
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Logitech Exclusive deal with pixart..
But I think that 1 year agreement expires soon.
Cool.. hopefully Mionix makes an Avior with the PWM3366 then, finally. I'll probably buy a G303 and/or a G502 out of sheer curiosity to see what people are talking about. But men are those mice ugly daaaaayyyuuummm.
for g303, u gotta look further into that sensor wiggle issue..
I haven't kept up with it, but there may be some issue where the housing isn't tight enough.
for g303, u gotta look further into that sensor wiggle issue..
I haven't kept up with it, but there may be some issue where the housing isn't tight enough.
The Lens issue isnt related to "fitting" of the parts, but to assembly as the Lens of PMW3366 and 3360 is permanently stoked to the IC.
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Logitech Exclusive deal with pixart..
But I think that 1 year agreement expires soon.
Cool.. hopefully Mionix makes an Avior with the PWM3366 then, finally. I'll probably buy a G303 and/or a G502 out of sheer curiosity to see what people are talking about. But men are those mice ugly daaaaayyyuuummm.
for g303, u gotta look further into that sensor wiggle issue..
I haven't kept up with it, but there may be some issue where the housing isn't tight enough.
Everything about the 502 is great.. but u know, cuz most g4m3rz don't lift, so 120g is considered heavy..
I've recently transitioned to playing low sensitivity, and while I agree lighter would be better, I think you could probably work INTO a heavier mouse.
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
Now that I come to think of it, the G900S uses the same PWM3366 as is in the G502 right? Are there any other mice coming or available already with the PWM3336 sensor?
are you kidding?
you already asked that question, and it was already answered:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79660.msg2125025#msg2125025
plenty of your questions and opinions/claims are answered by a quick google search.
are you just trolling all the time?
So time to get me a g502 then... BUT SO FUGLY. Anyho.. I like heavier mice better than light mice for FPS also. When I'm sniping or camping (yes I'm a coward sometimes), the weight helps me more for long distance precision. A light mouse only helps me when I'm jumping around like an idiot or in the middle of an arena with 20 players. But not so much for the rest. But I must admit.. I don't do Quake so perhaps Quake is different and all.
i agree that the g502 is really, really ugly.. and i feel the same way about pretty much all current logitech mice like the g402, g900, g303.
one of the biggest complaints about the g502 is probably the weight, so i hope you're sure about digging heavy mice.
but if you think that the shape is right for you, it should be a great pick. :-)
also, i've noticed they started showing up second-hand for decent prices, so you could consider getting a used one.
when i'm "fishing" for mice i usually just save searches so that i get e-mailed once a day, if one has popped up.
(there's actually one for 35 on marktplaats right now (http://www.marktplaats.nl/a/computers-en-software/muizen-en-joysticks/m1039191958-logitech-g502-proteus-core.html?c=8c285449651fa109c354bbabe740c1b&previousPage=lr) - picture isn't great, but it looks like it's on good shape)
but i know some people don't like used products, so it's not for everyone i guess :-)
If you guys want best quality tracking to lowest price.. WMO is the way to go.. you get perfect tracking for $7-10
Mod it up with some D2F, which will cost another $10 for 3 switches, but $5 is shipping, so depending on how many you buy at one time you get a much better rate...
If you guys want best quality tracking to lowest price.. WMO is the way to go.. you get perfect tracking for $7-10
Mod it up with some D2F, which will cost another $10 for 3 switches, but $5 is shipping, so depending on how many you buy at one time you get a much better rate...
WMO or IM3.0? What's better in your regards? Is 450 DPI enough?
If you guys want best quality tracking to lowest price.. WMO is the way to go.. you get perfect tracking for $7-10
Mod it up with some D2F, which will cost another $10 for 3 switches, but $5 is shipping, so depending on how many you buy at one time you get a much better rate...
WMO or IM3.0? What's better in your regards? Is 450 DPI enough?
400 dpi is more than enough
Professional CS all huddle around ~800 EFFECTIVE DPI, but if you look at the chart many many many pro players use 400dpi, because it has absolutely the least jitter..
Which is why WMO is still so popular a choice..
IME:
Pro, 2 extra button, no need to grind button flap
Con, heavier, many counterfeits/clones on ebay
WMO:
Pro, light weight, cheaper, easier to find on ebay,
Con, button flaps need to be grinded to increase clearance for scroll wheel.
If you guys want best quality tracking to lowest price.. WMO is the way to go.. you get perfect tracking for $7-10
Mod it up with some D2F, which will cost another $10 for 3 switches, but $5 is shipping, so depending on how many you buy at one time you get a much better rate...
WMO or IM3.0? What's better in your regards? Is 450 DPI enough?
400 dpi is more than enough
Professional CS all huddle around ~800 EFFECTIVE DPI, but if you look at the chart many many many pro players use 400dpi, because it has absolutely the least jitter..
Which is why WMO is still so popular a choice..
IME:
Pro, 2 extra button, no need to grind button flap
Con, heavier, many counterfeits/clones on ebay
WMO:
Pro, light weight, cheaper, easier to find on ebay,
Con, button flaps need to be grinded to increase clearance for scroll wheel.
That's some good info, thanks!
Now remind me... why did I toss away my WMO and IM3.0 couple of years ago? I was SO stupid!
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
>.>
<.<
What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
If you guys want best quality tracking to lowest price.. WMO is the way to go.. you get perfect tracking for $7-10
Mod it up with some D2F, which will cost another $10 for 3 switches, but $5 is shipping, so depending on how many you buy at one time you get a much better rate...
WMO or IM3.0? What's better in your regards? Is 450 DPI enough?
400 dpi is more than enough
Professional CS all huddle around ~800 EFFECTIVE DPI, but if you look at the chart many many many pro players use 400dpi, because it has absolutely the least jitter..
Which is why WMO is still so popular a choice..
IME:
Pro, 2 extra button, no need to grind button flap
Con, heavier, many counterfeits/clones on ebay
WMO:
Pro, light weight, cheaper, easier to find on ebay,
Con, button flaps need to be grinded to increase clearance for scroll wheel.
That's some good info, thanks!
Now remind me... why did I toss away my WMO and IM3.0 couple of years ago? I was SO stupid!
Haha...
Well, man recognizes not his fortune until it has passed.
But, at least if you come across another ime/wmo today, you'll know to appreciate it..
They got alot of WMOs white x08 for $7, and black colored x80 for ~$10, on ebay
You can maybe get an x06, i heard these might have omrons.. not sure..
This may get expensive.. I live in the Netherlands.. packaging and shipping will cost me. But that's why I'll be purchasing more :D Just wait till my next salary... this hobby is painful on the wallet.
This may get expensive.. I live in the Netherlands.. packaging and shipping will cost me. But that's why I'll be purchasing more :D Just wait till my next salary... this hobby is painful on the wallet.
isn't there ebay netherlands ?
also, you can prolly find these at the office, they prolly just throwin' them out.
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
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What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
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What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
It's from their dell advantage rewards (http://www.dell.com/en-us/member/learn/finance-and-rewards/rewards-details). It sucks dealing with their actual people (they screwed me out of one reward, and the other two expired- thankfully they were small), but I got a dell xps 13 last year, and got a $78 gift card as a rebate. It expires on the 12th, and this was the only thing I saw that I wanted, so...
/me shrugs
Free 2-day shipping, so I guess I'll be able to check it out next week. I love the g602, but just had two warranty replacements because of the stupid middle button, so was primed to try something new.
Just make sure you buy more if you like it.
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Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
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What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
It's from their dell advantage rewards (http://www.dell.com/en-us/member/learn/finance-and-rewards/rewards-details). It sucks dealing with their actual people (they screwed me out of one reward, and the other two expired- thankfully they were small), but I got a dell xps 13 last year, and got a $78 gift card as a rebate. It expires on the 12th, and this was the only thing I saw that I wanted, so...
/me shrugs
Free 2-day shipping, so I guess I'll be able to check it out next week. I love the g602, but just had two warranty replacements because of the stupid middle button, so was primed to try something new.
Just make sure you buy more if you like it.
(Attachment Link)
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
>.>
<.<
What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
It's from their dell advantage rewards (http://www.dell.com/en-us/member/learn/finance-and-rewards/rewards-details). It sucks dealing with their actual people (they screwed me out of one reward, and the other two expired- thankfully they were small), but I got a dell xps 13 last year, and got a $78 gift card as a rebate. It expires on the 12th, and this was the only thing I saw that I wanted, so...
/me shrugs
Free 2-day shipping, so I guess I'll be able to check it out next week. I love the g602, but just had two warranty replacements because of the stupid middle button, so was primed to try something new.
Just make sure you buy more if you like it.
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Fine collection you got there! Do you like the g400s?
Nice... no issues with g303 tracking? There was this side tracking quirk right?
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
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What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
It's from their dell advantage rewards (http://www.dell.com/en-us/member/learn/finance-and-rewards/rewards-details). It sucks dealing with their actual people (they screwed me out of one reward, and the other two expired- thankfully they were small), but I got a dell xps 13 last year, and got a $78 gift card as a rebate. It expires on the 12th, and this was the only thing I saw that I wanted, so...
/me shrugs
Free 2-day shipping, so I guess I'll be able to check it out next week. I love the g602, but just had two warranty replacements because of the stupid middle button, so was primed to try something new.
Just make sure you buy more if you like it.
(Attachment Link)
Nice... no issues with g303 tracking? There was this side tracking quirk right?
So far none that I can see. One of the two I have does have the sensor rattle though.
@ThoughtArtist
i don't suppose the G500 cable would work in a G400s?
they seem to use the same colors, but that might mean nothing? (i don't know anything about electronics)
G400:Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/b/b8/900x900px-LL-b87f552b_wtyczka2.jpeg)
G500:Show Image(http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1vgpOHVXXXXbuXXXXq6xXFXXXV/Brand-New-High-Quality-USB-cable-mouse-mice-Nylon-braided-Line-For-Logitech-G500-G5-USB.jpg)
he mentioned he prefers braided cables, that's all.
when's the last time you've actually read a post? hehehehe
Just ordered one, so I guess I'll see.
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What? Don't look at me like that. I had a coupon at Dell that was getting ready to expire, so I got it for $70. You didn't actually think I was going to pay $149 for a mouse, did you?
wha.... i didn't know there were half off dell coupons..
It's from their dell advantage rewards (http://www.dell.com/en-us/member/learn/finance-and-rewards/rewards-details). It sucks dealing with their actual people (they screwed me out of one reward, and the other two expired- thankfully they were small), but I got a dell xps 13 last year, and got a $78 gift card as a rebate. It expires on the 12th, and this was the only thing I saw that I wanted, so...
/me shrugs
Free 2-day shipping, so I guess I'll be able to check it out next week. I love the g602, but just had two warranty replacements because of the stupid middle button, so was primed to try something new.
Just make sure you buy more if you like it.
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That's pretty insane. And this is from someone who is a pretty compulsive spender.
An update on the G900- it appears only marginally more responsive than the G602, IMO. I didn't experience any stutters with the g602, so take it with that caveat. Giving it a bit more time before I actually write up any conclusions, but the shape of it is a big turn-off, and is the thing that I'm having the hardest time getting used to.
@ThoughtArtist
i don't suppose the G500 cable would work in a G400s?
they seem to use the same colors, but that might mean nothing? (i don't know anything about electronics)
G400:Show Image(http://cdn.overclock.net/b/b8/900x900px-LL-b87f552b_wtyczka2.jpeg)
G500:Show Image(http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1vgpOHVXXXXbuXXXXq6xXFXXXV/Brand-New-High-Quality-USB-cable-mouse-mice-Nylon-braided-Line-For-Logitech-G500-G5-USB.jpg)
Nice... no issues with g303 tracking? There was this side tracking quirk right?
So far none that I can see. One of the two I have does have the sensor rattle though.
Shame.. are you gonna fix it? Or can you live with it?
Does the rattle actually affect sensor performance?
I use them for work as well as home. I have 4 separate computers that I use at work and home, and all get a good mouse when I use them. Also, I need extras in-case something breaks. I don't want to get used to a mouse, have it break, and then have to buy something new I may not like.
I disliked the g303 at first, it felt awkward. Now it's a favorite.
I use them for work as well as home. I have 4 separate computers that I use at work and home, and all get a good mouse when I use them. Also, I need extras in-case something breaks. I don't want to get used to a mouse, have it break, and then have to buy something new I may not like.
I disliked the g303 at first, it felt awkward. Now it's a favorite.
I use multiplicity a lot so that I don't have to have a mouse per machine. I have a g9x driving 3 boxes at work, and my G900 driving 3 boxes at home. I still have a g602 on one of those- just did an RMA on it, so figured I should make *some* use of it.
Nice... no issues with g303 tracking? There was this side tracking quirk right?
So far none that I can see. One of the two I have does have the sensor rattle though.
Shame.. are you gonna fix it? Or can you live with it?
Does the rattle actually affect sensor performance?
I'll do the double sided tape fix, eventually. It's annoying for my ears, even though it's slight. I haven't noticed any performance issues outside of what might be some placebo effects.
I have the G900 also. Wireless is pretty good as advertised. I personally like the shape of it, too, but it is slightly bigger than I'd like. So the same shape, but slightly smaller would have been absolutely perfect.
Still deciding whether I can deal with the bigger size, though.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.It's smaller than the G602, which is what I've been using before. It's actually a quite slim profile, and long.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.It's smaller than the G602, which is what I've been using before. It's actually a quite slim profile, and long.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.
I still can't wrap my head around that price..
And what I REALLY hate is that your still need a receiver for this thing... Y NO Bluetooth?
And what I REALLY hate is that your still need a receiver for this thing... Y NO Bluetooth?
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.
I still can't wrap my head around that price..
And what I REALLY hate is that your still need a receiver for this thing... Y NO Bluetooth?
Because a good number of people don't have bluetooth on their desktops.
And what I REALLY hate is that your still need a receiver for this thing... Y NO Bluetooth?
well i can imagine that their wireless is a lot more optimized than bluetooth. they wanted to get it low latency, stable polling, and interference-resistant
what's wrong with a receiver, though? surely you have a USB port free for one? :-)
and more importantly, what chukdee said.
personally if i'd have a wireless mouse then i'd prefer a receiver + cable so i can bring it close to the mouse
well i'd definitely want the signal to be reliable. if i ever go wireless then it would be to get rid of cable-snag and cable-drag.
i do all my gaming on a desktop PC, so i really wouldn't mind having that cable + receiver on my desk. :-)
a lot of mice have crap cables and they can be pretty bothersome. especially braided cables are absolutely terrible for me as they create a huge amount of friction on my cloth desk mat.
if the G900 was cheaper/simpler then i probably would've gone for it, but it had to have that price tag, and that's just gonna be a no for me ;p
it's about the cable giving you extra resistance while moving the mouse around.
not having a cable flapping about or sliding around is a great improvement in my opinion.
for example my WMO has a bad cable, my G9x has a bad cable, my G400 has a bad cable, my DA3.5g has a bad cable.....
having them wireless would be awesome!
unfortunately with the G900 they went crazy on too many things. RGB lighting, some kind of super scroll wheel, 4 side-buttons, some kind of super click design..
if they made a "simple version" with no side-buttons, no LEDs, a normal standard scroll wheel and maybe also remove the pivot stuff, it would probably be cheap enough for me to buy. obviously that's not gonna happen, because logitech's a bunch of *******s
i didn't mean the cables breaking, i meant them giving too much resistance in some way.
like a braided cable giving a ton of friction on a cloth surface, a cable being extremely stiff, or a cable just being very thick and heavy, etc.
the only cable i think is really okay is the cable on the DA3g, which is really flexible and light. i still tape it down to avoid snagging, but i'm okay with that.
i'm kinda hoping that we'll see some more interesting (and hopefully cheaper) wireless mice this year
imo the G400s has a decent cable at the least. i bought one to fix an old MX510 and was surprised by how nice it was.
the G400 uses a different cable, which is stiff and fragile. it got many complaints, which is why the G400s received a more flexible and sturdier cable, including a stress-relieving part.
and yeah i know what you mean about dust on braided cables. mine also grab that bit of dust that's on my mouse mat. never really bothered to clean them though, because i'm lazy :-)
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.It's smaller than the G602, which is what I've been using before. It's actually a quite slim profile, and long.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.It's smaller than the G602, which is what I've been using before. It's actually a quite slim profile, and long.
Hmmm. I've never used the G602 so I can't say, but I find the G900 wider and bulkier than other ambidextrous mice, like the FK1. The G900's butt is even slightly bigger than the Mionix Avior's.
I'm not saying that you're wrong, because obviously the G602 could be a really wide mouse (and wider than the FK1), but just providing extra comparisons so people get a better understanding of its feel.
Just took some pics last night, but didn't get a chance to post it. It's definitely narrower than the G602. I'll post it when I get home.
Hmm... thanks for the info! Now I need to find a store where I can hold it in my hand. More and more difficult... stores going bankrupt here as well in the advent of webshops.
G900 vs G602
Side by SideShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Hs5HQF0.png)
G602 on top of G900Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mbWK9pY.png)
G900 on top of G602Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uiz7B13.png)
The rear of the G900 is wider, as the 602 tapers off. And both are the same length. But everything else is larger on the G602, and it's overall bulkier.
I haven't owned the G502, but I've tried it out a couple of times. From what I can remember, yea, the G900 should be a bit bulkier/bigger than the G502.
I still can't wrap my head around that price..
And what I REALLY hate is that your still need a receiver for this thing... Y NO Bluetooth?
It's gonna give you all hand-cancer... with its super speed wireless rays..
It's gonna give you all hand-cancer... with its super speed wireless rays..
It's gonna give you all hand-cancer... with its super speed wireless rays..
I'm now more excited for a G503.. or idk, call it mx600 instead..
Just take the newest sensor, put it into an mx5** case.. reduce the weight to 60g..
one option is just buying a new cable (can be found on ebay)
unfortunately with the G900 they went crazy on too many things. RGB lighting, some kind of super scroll wheel, 4 side-buttons, some kind of super click design..
if they made a "simple version" with no side-buttons, no LEDs, a normal standard scroll wheel and maybe also remove the pivot stuff, it would probably be cheap enough for me to buy. obviously that's not gonna happen, because logitech's a bunch of dix
unfortunately with the G900 they went crazy on too many things. RGB lighting, some kind of super scroll wheel, 4 side-buttons, some kind of super click design..
if they made a "simple version" with no side-buttons, no LEDs, a normal standard scroll wheel and maybe also remove the pivot stuff, it would probably be cheap enough for me to buy. obviously that's not gonna happen, because logitech's a bunch of dix
This for me. Except, coming from a Performance MX, I'm in love with the hyper scroll wheel. Like I want to have little hyper scroll wheelettes with it. But Logitech going this whole gamer route with LEDs and that ugly ass mouse design. Kills me a little bit inside.
I'm probably getting the g900 when my wallet allows me to (or hoping for some sale in the meanwhile; ~$100 would be fine and I think that's what I paid for my Performance MX some years ago), but I'm hoping the G900 is what leads to better wireless mice in general with more options, eventually a better price point, and ideally soon. If something comparable comes up within the next year-ish with comparable performance I'll probably just wait.
Went to Microcenter over the weekend to compare mice. The G900 was by far the least impressive for the price. $140? lol
It seemed to be on equal footing with mice priced at almost half that, unless you really wanna pay an extra $70 for wireless.
So anyone got any extended use out of a g900??
It's on my potential new mouse list.