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Title: What switches do I need to still try?
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Post by: Rad on Mon, 04 April 2016, 22:02:57: Gat Greens. I have loose Gat Green switches sitting on my desk and I love to click them all the time. Need to get around to making a keyboard with them though...
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Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 04 April 2016, 22:30:06: don't try 55g hhkb its the worst topre feeling
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Post by: klennkellon on Tue, 05 April 2016, 04:09:21: Matias Quiet Click and Matias Quiet Linear. Matias Click may feel too similar to White ALPS for you, though they are notably lighter than Blue and White ALPS.

Also, is the difference between the Model F and the Model M significant? I love typing on my M and wonder if it would be worth it to buy a Model F.
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Post by: jacobolus on Tue, 05 April 2016, 04:43:46: Everything on your list is >1980. Keyswitches from the 70s are much more fun.
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Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 06:00:48: Quote from: jacobolus on Tue, 05 April 2016, 04:43:46
Everything on your list is >1980. Keyswitches from the 70s are much more fun.
Most definitely seconded xD .
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Post by: yasuo on Tue, 05 April 2016, 06:27:57: lol thats why sometimes i choose RD than feel mechanical scratchy :D
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Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:44:38: removed.
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Post by: jaffers on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:48:13: MX Whites are nice
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Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:59:08: I want to try vintage green alps and 'space invaders'. However, I have no idea how to use either of those switch types with a modern computer. But that's just me :eek:

I hear that Topre is best. I've yet to confirm this theory
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Post by: Crossfire on Tue, 05 April 2016, 08:03:10: New gateron blacks come quite close to vintage mx blacks...close :)
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Post by: Firebolt1914 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 16:12:56: A nice clean hall effect keyboard is the best linear switch out there in my opinion.
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Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:32:24: Tbh it depends a bit on what kind of switches you might want to try to begin with. Are you merely looking for the best switch out there, or do you want to try all sorts of interesting switches for the fun of it?
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Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:35:56: removed.
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Post by: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:43:57: Quote from: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:35:56
Quote from: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:32:24
Tbh it depends a bit on what kind of switches you might want to try to begin with. Are you merely looking for the best switch out there, or do you want to try all sorts of interesting switches for the fun of it?

best switches
Like linear or not that much?
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Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:45:03: This is some cool info!
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Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 05 April 2016, 18:41:09: have you tried the aristotle plungers in the gat housing?
a bit noisy. but fun.
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Post by: katushkin on Tue, 05 April 2016, 18:54:55: #freecherryMY
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Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 05 April 2016, 19:17:24: Quote from: alienman82 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 21:49:00
Tried and liked:
Model F switches - amazing clicky switch

I was going to recommend beamspring because I think it would blow your mind, but like any other very vintage board they take a particular person. You have to be okay with a typewriter-like profile and the available layouts, paying $40+ for shipping, and finding the right one for a decent price.

I need more time on mine to decide, but I think a 3XXX metal-case beamspring would absolutely destroy my 4704 Model F. My 5251 with a plastic top case probably does too, but I'm a goddamned sucker for metal cases.

Quote from: alienman82 on Mon, 04 April 2016, 21:49:00
Tried and liked:
mx blacks (vintage) - 62g are my favorite

I like my Hall Effect quite a bit but off-center keypresses are brutal and they're not readily convertible to modern computers. I'm with you on 62g vintage MX Blacks, think they're still my ideal linear. You could try SKCL Greens, they're very nice but if you didn't like the actuation point of SKCM Blues I'm not sure I'd bother.
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Post by: Findecanor on Tue, 05 April 2016, 19:35:35: SMK switches (https://deskthority.net/wiki/SMK_second_generation). The blue clicky with Alps mount ("Monterey") is the most common, and very well liked - a great clicky switch.
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Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 05 April 2016, 20:10:25: Quote from: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 19:38:14
Quote from: katushkin on Tue, 05 April 2016, 18:54:55
#freecherryMY

I just watched the livestream recording. AND NO MY IS ****. I'm sorry. Please change your evaluation. I'd rather type on anything else
:blank:
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Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 20:19:29: removed.
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Post by: appleonama on Tue, 05 April 2016, 20:25:56: I tried just about all of them at the socal meet up. I need an ssk in my life
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Post by: demik on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:53:36: try?

try throwing everything not topre in the trash.
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Post by: Sifo on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:05:34: Quote from: demik on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:53:36
try?

try throwing everything not topre in the trash.

is that the secret to making a "great" switch? Because I'm pretty sure the trash is where topre comes from.

on topic: hall effect :D monterey blue alps
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Post by: mr67volks on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:18:12: would optical switches be considered to be mechanical?

warning ... much english , such wow !

I bet they feel mushy.
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Post by: katushkin on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:23:18: Quote from: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 19:38:14
Quote from: katushkin on Tue, 05 April 2016, 18:54:55
#freecherryMY

I just watched the livestream recording. AND NO MY IS ****. I'm sorry. Please change your evaluation. I'd rather type on anything else

It's not that ****.
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Post by: chyros on Wed, 06 April 2016, 02:24:27: Quote from: alienman82 on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:57:25
Quote from: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:43:57
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Quote from: chyros on Tue, 05 April 2016, 17:32:24
Tbh it depends a bit on what kind of switches you might want to try to begin with. Are you merely looking for the best switch out there, or do you want to try all sorts of interesting switches for the fun of it?

best switches
Like linear or not that much?

linears are fine. Typing on vintage blacks right now.
*Honeywell Hall effect 55 g
*SMK 2nd gen
*beam spring
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Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 06 April 2016, 06:17:16: Quote from: demik on Tue, 05 April 2016, 21:53:36
try?

try throwing everything not topre in the trash.

You need a Model F in your life. Topre is good but metal is better.
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Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 06 April 2016, 08:36:49: Quote from: mr67volks on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:18:12
would optical switches be considered to be mechanical?
There have been long flame-wars about what should be called "mechanical" and what should not. Better to let sleeping dogs lay ... ;)

Quote from: mr67volks on Tue, 05 April 2016, 22:18:12
I bet they feel mushy.
I have not seen any really good review yet, but from what I have heard they should feel a lot like regular linear mechanical switches, such as Cherry MX.
That is plunger and a spring and no bumps, after all.
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Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 09:19:23: removed.
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Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 08 April 2016, 01:39:57: hall effect and beamspring?
i have wanted to try them for a long time, but haven't got any chance to get one tho
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Post by: KnivesM on Fri, 08 April 2016, 02:06:21: Quote from: jaffers on Tue, 05 April 2016, 07:48:13
MX Whites are nice
+1
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Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:02:02: My final vote is for Cherry MX Grey switches
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Post by: davkol on Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:22:54: Oki Gourd switches. I have a couple of keyboards with the clicky variant and it's amazing (and I don't even like clicky switches otherwise).
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Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:51:50: Quote from: davkol on Fri, 08 April 2016, 08:22:54
Oki Gourd switches. I have a couple of keyboards with the clicky variant and it's amazing (and I don't even like clicky switches otherwise).

Holy moley these sound nice!

Youtube Video Description:
Quote
Is Oki Electric made of a membrane keyboard.
It becomes to the configuration of the coil spring + rubber dome, press the key when the spring is pressed, it will be entered in.
The structure is similar to the Model M, but this is a different structure because it does not buckling.
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Post by: chyros on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:44:50: Yeah Okis are pretty cool guys, I can't get enough of that funky spring shape xD . Does anyone have ANY idea why they called it a GOURD spring?!

Also, the description is wrong; there is no rubber dome in Oki gourd spring.
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Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:49:20: Quote from: csmertx on Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:02:02
My final vote is for Cherry MX Grey switches
well actually they're the same as cherry mx clear but with heavier springs?
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Post by: dgneo on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:50:16: 55g Plate Mount Topre.

Godlike.
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Post by: davkol on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:51:30: It's because of the spring shape, as proposed by mousefan.
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Post by: chyros on Fri, 08 April 2016, 10:08:32: Quote from: davkol on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:51:30
It's because of the spring shape, as proposed by mousefan.
Oh like one of these?

(http://www.lakeview-farms.com/Gourds/DriedGourds/DriedIndonesianBottleGourd.gif)
Yeah, I guess that'd make sense :D .
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Post by: iLLucionist on Fri, 08 April 2016, 10:08:49: Quote from: dgneo on Fri, 08 April 2016, 09:50:16
55g Plate Mount Topre.

Godlike.

Awww hell yeahh!
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Post by: chyros on Fri, 08 April 2016, 10:13:17: Quote from: alienman82 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 10:09:25
does anyone like the space invader switches?
Yeah, they're pretty cool guys :) . A tad heavy, but quite nice. The clicky sound is unique, it's related to MX blue but not annoying. Not as good as blue Alps or a Model F in my opinion, though.