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Title: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:08:27

Tp4 never got a Dell..

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/embarrassed2-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862502)

What's it like to haz a Dell..

Please share ur Dell Experience.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:11:48

Never had a cow box.

Did have a HP and a Packard Bell though. The latter was a genuine POS.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:12:15

I'm on my third warranty replacement.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:13:06

Quote from: noisyturtle on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:11:48

Never had a cow box.

Did have a HP and a Packard Bell though. The latter was a genuine POS.

cow box ? u mean gateway ? dell didn't have cow box did they?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: noisyturtle on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:14:54

Quote from: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:13:06

Quote from: noisyturtle on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:11:48
Never had a cow box.

Did have a HP and a Packard Bell though. The latter was a genuine POS.

cow box ? u mean gateway ? dell didn't have cow box did they?

Oh yeah, that was Gateway. I always get them confused.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: LXXXIX on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:20:07

I had a Vostro that was a beast. It was my favorite laptop I ever had. I also had 2 desktops from them with no complaints.

Overall I like them over the other companies. They don't bring fluff liks HPs and Compaq.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: inanis on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:20:46

I bought a Dell a while back when you had the option to have it ship with Linux. I then harvested the CPU out of it and built another PC with it a few years later. That **** lasted forever and cost next to nothing.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:43:28

I've worked on hundreds of them, in the past. They seem okay. Just like anything else really. The cases for the business class workstations and servers were always well designed; allowing for easy maintenance.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: Hak Foo on Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:47:14

I had a Venue 8 Pro for two weeks. Wi-fi was unreliable, and one day it shut down permanently. I bought an Asus Transformer Book for my Win8 tablet itch, used it for a year, decided touch wasn't all that and got a T420.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: exitfire401 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 21:05:00

I've only ever had the XPS line from dell, and those seem to last forever (still have an old one from 2008 running Chromium for my grandparents). Had a few HP that fell apart completely within a year, and currently have a lenovo that has been a ***** to deal with getting a replacement for (Yoga 2 Pro that has a USB port that doesn't work and touchscreen that works when it wants to). Also had a Razer blade which was an amazing machine. Build quality was second to none and the hardware held up great. Only ever had to have the charger replaced in the 2.5 years I had it.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 23:19:32

I had a Dell laptop in the early 2000s. It broke a lot. One time a bunch of smoke came out of the power cord, which it probably wasn't supposed to do.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Sat, 09 April 2016, 00:08:43

The slowest i7 computer I've ever used!

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: gain on Sat, 09 April 2016, 00:12:37

Ah yes. 2004, Dell Insipron 5150. Wikipedia says it all.

"The laptop was infamous for a huge number of design failures, overheating, battery failures, connector loosening, motherboard failures."

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 09 April 2016, 01:56:48

using a dell inspiration right now. i don't hate it, but i don't like it either

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sat, 09 April 2016, 03:30:14

We mostly use Dells at work. Plastic boxes with shiny bits, cheap. Nasty to average keyboards, some with abominable layouts.

Most of our servers are Dell, they work. We've only had one HDD die, and one motherboard in a server got too flaky.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:33:20

I still remember when that 1ghz pentium 3 first came out, and Dell had that Commercial for it..

I was so jelly of my friend who got a Dell with that cpu.. (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/oh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862514)

I think what was it, like some command and conquer was out and it ran really well.. maybe tiberian sun.. not sure.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: nmur on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:38:13

our office all use dell, for everything

their monitors are pretty nice for work

their laptops are slow and run at like 90C

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:46:33

Quote from: nmur on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:38:13

our office all use dell, for everything

their monitors are pretty nice for work

their laptops are slow and run at like 90C

The smaller laptops run hot.. the big ones are cool no ?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: chyros on Sat, 09 April 2016, 04:53:31

We use Dell PCs of some variety at work. It's not great, but it's not horrible either, it's just a cheap computer.

Can't exactly do 3D imaging on them though :P .

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: nephiel on Sat, 09 April 2016, 05:51:46

My workplace just bought some 15.6" Vostro laptops. They're pretty well built for their price point. The BIOS menus are very well thought out. Only 2 screws to open the maintenance cover: RAM, HDD, wireless card and CMOS battery are easily accessible, CPU fan not so much though. Matte screen. AC adapter is really small in size. Keyboard is a rather usable chiclet one with numpad, but it lacks a Pause key. Also missing is HDMI output.

Runs cool, but no dedicated graphics card means no demanding games/3D design stuff.

These came with Win8.1 preinstalled and too many partitions on the drive for my taste (one for UEFI, three for Windows, and three more for Dell recovery/diagnostics/factory image). I removed most of them on mine, but I'll write that within a "more" tag so as not to clutter this thread.

First thing I did on mine was run built-in diagnostics to check all was working out of the box. Then boot preinstalled Win8 to create recovery DVDs using the Dell utility (which thoughtfully puts drivers and software on a separate DVD). With these I no longer need the recovery and factory image partitions. Then boot a live Linux distro to backup the diagnostics partition (hidden 40MB primary FAT32 labeled DIAGS). Then repartitioned the whole drive. Disabled "secure" boot and enabled legacy boot options in BIOS, put Win8.1 on a single primary partition just in case, restored the DIAGS partition to another, and Debian (soon to be upgraded to Devuan because systemd sucks) root/swap/home on an extended partition.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: dgneo on Sat, 09 April 2016, 06:03:11

Our whole fleet at work is Dell, mainly because their ProSupport is really solid, and we get good bulk deals. The OptiPlex line has been really solid so far. We ended up upgrading a lot of PCs to SSDs, but I really can't complain about them.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 09 April 2016, 06:12:03

Quote from: exitfire401 on Fri, 08 April 2016, 21:05:00

I've only ever had the XPS line from dell, and those seem to last forever (still have an old one from 2008 running Chromium for my grandparents). Had a few HP that fell apart completely within a year, and currently have a lenovo that has been a ***** to deal with getting a replacement for (Yoga 2 Pro that has a USB port that doesn't work and touchscreen that works when it wants to). Also had a Razer blade which was an amazing machine. Build quality was second to none and the hardware held up great. Only ever had to have the charger replaced in the 2.5 years I had it.

Sounds like it is hit or miss with Dell. I thought of getting the new XPS but dat issues with trackpad, screen, and coil whine.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sat, 09 April 2016, 06:14:50

Dell is hate for me. Except for maybe the XPS. But I don't trust Dell. Dell raped me. Dell has been unfaithful to my trust. It has to deserve it again.

Also, this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41c-JC7SygL._SX300_.jpg)

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Sat, 09 April 2016, 22:48:39

Quote from: dgneo on Sat, 09 April 2016, 06:03:11

Our whole fleet at work is Dell, mainly because their ProSupport is really solid, and we get good bulk deals. The OptiPlex line has been really solid so far. We ended up upgrading a lot of PCs to SSDs, but I really can't complain about them.

I think that would help the ones I use A LOT to have SSDs, some have i7s but they still feel so slow. My custom Q9550 feels faster.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36

The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 00:39:24

Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36

The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

Thar's GOLD in dem MacBooks!!!

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: romevi on Sun, 10 April 2016, 00:41:39

Wait, Dells are good now? I've been using them at offices for a couple of decades and they're...all right.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 00:54:18

I've had good and bad experiences with all brands I've come across. They all use pretty similar hardware. So, it comes down to specs and price for me.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Sun, 10 April 2016, 00:54:34

Every hospital I've worked in at in the past several years have had dell workstations and laptops for healthcare workers. In my experience they are not the most reliable, although they do seem to have improved since 10 years ago when my family had one - that thing was a piece of s***.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29

Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36

The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:08:20

OzBucks

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:13:19

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:08:20

OzBucks

Yeah.

But everything is more expensive.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:28:28

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29

Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

At least they are ahead of the curve in regard to UI scaling and high PPI screens (or so I've heard). I'll never buy one myself to find out, but that does sound like a main advantage they have.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: zombimuncha on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:39:58

The Latitude and Optiplex machines at work are solid, reliable, indestructible.
Only problems I've ever heard of is 1) with my Optiplex where it only recognizes 12gb of my 16gb RAM sticks. But I only asked IT for upgrade from 4 to 8gb, so 12 is 4 more than I need anyway.
And 2) with my latitude, my fc660m fits perfectly on top but the laptop case can flex a little so sometimes the four feet don't sit flat on top, and it rocks a little while typing. I just give it a quick bend and its fine.

I never owned a consumer-grade dell, but reports from friends suggest they're very hit and miss. Some are great, some are terrible, and there's no way to find out which is which until the thing is obsolete already.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 02:48:20

Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:28:28

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

At least they are ahead of the curve in regard to UI scaling and high PPI screens (or so I've heard). I'll never buy one myself to find out, but that does sound like a main advantage they have.

Apple? Yes, definitely. They produced the first retina displays (didn't they?) and OS X does tend to have good support for it.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29

Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:04:33

Quote from: ThoughtArtist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:28:28

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

At least they are ahead of the curve in regard to UI scaling and high PPI screens (or so I've heard). I'll never buy one myself to find out, but that does sound like a main advantage they have.

That's the advantage of controlling both hardware and software. Only issue in the early days was Adobe software and high PPI screens (of course.. adobe sucks nowadays).

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:48:21

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

Nice... nice... is one display enough for you? Or you hooking up an external one as well?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:57:57

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

I need a laptop though. Like I said, for me it's all about the specs vs price. I don't care about brands. They're all pink on the inside. :P

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:58:03

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:48:21

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

Nice... nice... is one display enough for you? Or you hooking up an external one as well?

I have 2 monitors on my old Dell now, and I plan on keeping the 24" as a second monitor on the iMac.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:01:33

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:58:03

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:48:21
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

Nice... nice... is one display enough for you? Or you hooking up an external one as well?

I have 2 monitors on my old Dell now, and I plan on keeping the 24" as a second monitor on the iMac.

I was thinking to get a 27" retina iMac as well... but with the 1 TB SSD, 32 GB ram, higher GPU it costs 4789 euro's!!! I do run a business though but it is still a freakin' lot of money.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:06:30

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:01:33

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:58:03
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:48:21
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:45:56
Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 05:03:41
Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 01:00:29
Quote from: smknjoe on Sat, 09 April 2016, 23:20:36
The Precision Workstation Laptop is one that I'm looking at.

Xeon
16GB
supports 2 HDD/SSD
comes with thunderbolt to Ethernet
add a docking station

all for ~$2000

I already have 2 512 SSDs. So, that's close to $1000 less than the MacBook 15".

Edit: It's also smaller and lighter than the 15" MacBook and comes with Linux...which I'd switch to my own flavor.

I priced up some desktop machines for me for work recently. With equivalent specs, the Dell turned out noticeably more expensive.

So I got a Mac (well, ordered - it should arrive early next week).

So you bought a retina macbook pro?

No, a 27" 5K retina iMac :)

Nice... nice... is one display enough for you? Or you hooking up an external one as well?

I have 2 monitors on my old Dell now, and I plan on keeping the 24" as a second monitor on the iMac.

I was thinking to get a 27" retina iMac as well... but with the 1 TB SSD, 32 GB ram, higher GPU it costs 4789 euro's!!! I do run a business though but it is still a freakin' lot of money.

Mine will have fastest CPU, 16GB RAM, 2TB Fusion drive, and lower GPU. And 3 years Apple warranty, just in case.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:08:44

What's a Fusion drive?
What's the total, pre-tax and shipping?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:11:23

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:08:44

What's a Fusion drive?
What's the total, pre-tax and shipping?

Sorry, I meant 2TB SSD. Fusion drive = large spinning disk and smaller SSD and software / algorithm to decide what you use most frequently, which is put on the SSD. Everything else is moved off to the slower spinning disk.

pre-tax? uuuhm 4789 with 21% tax included leaves me at...3957 without tax, so 830 euro's in tax here in the Netherlands. Shipping is free.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:11:38

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:08:44

What's a Fusion drive?
What's the total, pre-tax and shipping?

A fusion drive is an Apple device the combines a conventional mechanical hard drive with a large flash cache, kinda like half SSD half HDD.

Price I dunno - prices were listed GST-inclusive and I wasn't worrying too much about that.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00

Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:24:08

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00

Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Drive

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:25:31

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00

Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

Isn't raid 0 a bit risky given read/write limits for a ssd or is it safe now?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:32:17

Quote from: rowdy on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:24:08

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00
Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_Drive

Yep, "Fusion Drive is Apple Inc.'s name for its implementation of a hybrid drive"

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:37:26

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:25:31

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00
Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

Isn't raid 0 a bit risky given read/write limits for a ssd or is it safe now?

Theory and practice are not always the same. I've been using this set up for 2 or 3 years. No problems so far. Debian installed on RAID 0 with encrypted LVM, no swap and 16GB RAM quad i7. Rock solid. VMs for all other OSs. That's my home rig.

At work it's a MacBook with i7 quad, 16GB, 512 single SSD encrypted. All other OSs are on VMs.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:04:12

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:37:26

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:25:31
Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 06:21:00
Thanks for the info. Fusion must be the Apple moniker. I had one of those hybrid drives from WD a few years ago and I couldn't tell a difference between it and a standard mech. I use 2 512 SSDs in a RAID 0 for better performance than a single 1TB SSD. Then, external HDDs for data that's not accessed daily.

Isn't raid 0 a bit risky given read/write limits for a ssd or is it safe now?

Theory and practice are not always the same. I've been using this set up for 2 or 3 years. No problems so far. Debian installed on RAID 0 with encrypted LVM, no swap and 16GB RAM quad i7. Rock solid. VMs for all other OSs. That's my home rig.

At work it's a MacBook with i7 quad, 16GB, 512 single SSD encrypted. All other OSs are on VMs.

Hope you don't mind asking coz I'm thinking of fooling around with SSDs an raid... what SSDs you got in your raid? And how good is performance on the raid? Does it "feel" faster than the macbook? And how responsive are your vms?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:17:22

Crucial/Micron, can't go wrong with Micron. About 500MB-600MBs with RAID0 on 5 year old SATA2 hardware (double standard bandwidth). VMs do run a little better on the Raid machine as long as it's not processor intensive (it's a 1st gen i7.) That's why I'm looking to upgrade my home rig. The proc is not that great. With VMware, and VMware tools on the guest OS, they run like they are native.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:24:16

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:17:22

Crucial/Micron, can't go wrong with Micron. About 500MB-600MBs with RAID0 on 5 year old SATA2 hardware (double standard bandwidth). VMs do run a little better on the Raid machine as long as it's not processor intensive (it's a 1st gen i7.) That's why I'm looking to upgrade my home rig. The proc is not that great. With VMware, and VMware tools on the guest OS, they run like they are native.

Cool, thanks! I was hoping more in 1800-1900 range though. But I'm a sucker for performance just because it is possible.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 07:26:33

That rig only has sata 2 controllers and encryption overhead. With sata3 and no encryption I don't think you'll get more than 1400 tops, but I don't have the hardware to test...yet.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58

You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:34:26

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58

You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

I'd use it for vms... Probably better of with beter CPU with more L3 cache and system ram

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:35:38

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:34:26

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58
You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

I'd use it for vms... Probably better of with beter CPU with more L3 cache and system ram

They got these 480gb ssds now for $100..

Just get 1 of those for each vm.. hahahahaha...

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:37:04

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:35:38

Quote from: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 12:34:26
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58
You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

I'd use it for vms... Probably better of with beter CPU with more L3 cache and system ram

They got these 480gb ssds now for $100..

Just get 1 of those for each vm.. hahahahaha...

Haha good idea actually... coz most more expensive mobos have what... 14 sata connectors nowadays? 16? 40? like.. what the hell am I gonna do with 14 sata connectors.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:33:10

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58

You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

Sata 2 = 300MBs with RAID0 = 600MBs and you see the difference when encrypting/decrypting on the fly while running 4 VMs simultaneously.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:36:53

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:33:10

Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 11:37:58
You don't raid unless you have actual high i/o requirement.. for example, if you ran a website with 1000s of users.

If you're just watching ur movies at home, or even playing games loaded over the network, raid makes that slower..

Sata 2 = 300MBs with RAID0 = 600MBs and you see the difference when encrypting/decrypting on the fly while running 4 VMs simultaneously.

Cool. Thanks for the info!

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:38:30

"encrypting/decrypting on the fly" this part is the main reason I need a new rig. The old i7 doesn't support AES and all 8 threads get maxed out under heavy R/W loads.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:42:19

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:38:30

"encrypting/decrypting on the fly" this part is the main reason I need a new rig. The old i7 doesn't support AES and all 8 threads get maxed out under heavy R/W loads.

decrypting what?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:43:45

Full drive encryption...it's all real-time.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:44:16

Quote from: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:43:45

Full drive encryption...it's all real-time.

why arn't you using a drive with hardware encryption then ?

(http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/ahaaah-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862489)

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Sun, 10 April 2016, 14:46:42

Need proc that supports it. Otherwise, it's done completely in software. Hence my proc bottleneck issue.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 11 April 2016, 05:29:46

RAID 0 is not really RAID - no redundancy.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Mon, 11 April 2016, 13:14:04

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 11 April 2016, 05:29:46

RAID 0 is not really RAID - no redundancy.

SPEEEEEEEEEEEED *jeremy clarkson voice overlay*

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:07:21

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 11 April 2016, 05:29:46

RAID 0 is not really RAID - no redundancy.

Hey, I just use it. I didn't name it. :) It does seem odd that it's still call a RAID array.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: rowdy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:43:16

Quote from: smknjoe on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:07:21

Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 11 April 2016, 05:29:46
RAID 0 is not really RAID - no redundancy.

Hey, I just use it. I didn't name it. :) It does seem odd that it's still call a RAID array.

That also is not precisely correct, as the A already stands for "array". It's just a RAID :p

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: kishy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:44:10

I purchased a Vostro 3750 in October 2011. i7-2670QM, 6GB DDR3 (4+2), 500GB 7200RPM HDD, GeForce GT 525M (Optimus).

I was pleased with my value for money initially, and being a business model, it had ProSupport which is their supposed-to-be-actually-competent support resource.

I spent the following 3 months unsuccessfully trying to prove to Dell that their computer had a design defect. I even shipped the computer to them with specific instructions that could reproduce the symptom and they insisted it wasn't doing it. They bought the computer back from me and I bought a ThinkPad W520.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: jaffers on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:03:46

Consumer products are always horrible, with the exception for IBM and apple (yes apple do make pretty well built stuff, it just works, and works well, you can't argue with the fact that I can run unix software natively alongside programs like the adobe suite.)

Although, dell and HP make some pretty good enterprise grade hardware

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:18:48

Quote from: kishy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:44:10

I purchased a Vostro 3750 in October 2011. i7-2670QM, 6GB DDR3 (4+2), 500GB 7200RPM HDD, GeForce GT 525M (Optimus).

I was pleased with my value for money initially, and being a business model, it had ProSupport which is their supposed-to-be-actually-competent support resource.

I spent the following 3 months unsuccessfully trying to prove to Dell that their computer had a design defect. I even shipped the computer to them with specific instructions that could reproduce the symptom and they insisted it wasn't doing it. They bought the computer back from me and I bought a ThinkPad W520.

What design defect?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:19:42

Quote from: jaffers on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:03:46

Consumer products are always horrible, with the exception for IBM and apple (yes apple do make pretty well built stuff, it just works, and works well, you can't argue with the fact that I can run unix software natively alongside programs like the adobe suite.)

Although, dell and HP make some pretty good enterprise grade hardware

I had to deal with some of the supposedly "enterprise grade" HP laptops... sucked. Hinges got loose, screens died. Never HP again.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: Darkshado on Tue, 12 April 2016, 10:40:02

About Apple's Fusion Drive discussed a few posts up, since no one mentionned it: it's all done with partitioning and software, unlike most hybrid drives on the market.

Before they went all-solder with the Mac Mini, you could buy a secondary drive kit from OWC and put your own SATA SSD; a fresh install with a few terminal commands got you a better-specced Fusion Drive than anything they offered at the time.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: boost on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:02:21

4000+ Dell PC's here and not one issue. Dell laptop sucks

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:31:07

Used Dells since the PIII days. Some are OK, others are meh. We use them exclusively at work, and don't have too many major issues. Our server environment also runs on a Dell VRTX blade-server chassis, and we have had zero issues with it so far, never had to shut it down in over 400 days of uptime, not even for maintenance (which can be done live).

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:41:53

I came across them a few times and their noise is obnoxious as hell and they're so overrated.
Don't even know how they got so popular.

No, I never got Adelle.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 17:34:55

Quote from: FrostyToast on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:41:53

I came across them a few times and their noise is obnoxious as hell and they're so overrated.
Don't even know how they got so popular.

cheap i guess?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: Asininity on Tue, 12 April 2016, 22:36:58

My first laptop was a Dell. 1080p screen, backlit keyboard, and all the fancy bits. It was actually a rather nice laptop. The only downside was that it only had integrated graphics, so I replaced it.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 05:03:33

Reminds me of the famous catchphrase:

Dell. Easy as Hell.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: kishy on Wed, 13 April 2016, 07:42:25

Quote from: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:18:48

Quote from: kishy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:44:10
I purchased a Vostro 3750 in October 2011. i7-2670QM, 6GB DDR3 (4+2), 500GB 7200RPM HDD, GeForce GT 525M (Optimus).

I was pleased with my value for money initially, and being a business model, it had ProSupport which is their supposed-to-be-actually-competent support resource.

I spent the following 3 months unsuccessfully trying to prove to Dell that their computer had a design defect. I even shipped the computer to them with specific instructions that could reproduce the symptom and they insisted it wasn't doing it. They bought the computer back from me and I bought a ThinkPad W520.

What design defect?

The internal subwoofer produces a buzzing tone that follows your cursor around the screen, when the cursor is light coloured and the background colour is dark, in conditions when the Nvidia GPU is active.

They sent me a replacement computer that did the same. Eventually I just opened it up and took a look at the various components on the motherboard. In a highly unscientific way - just simple observations - I worked out that audio components were down in the corner of the board relatively close to the speaker and headphone connectors, but the subwoofer connector was further away on the board, and because of the board design, the traces for it would run in close proximity to the GPU on their way across.

The option was to unplug the subwoofer, or let them buy it back. They made the offer to buy it back after I made the above point, without addressing it, despite having claimed actual product engineers who had designed the model were working on my issue.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: algernon on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:10:29

Had a Dell XPS13 (2014 edition) at a previous employer, loved it. Nice little box. I didn't need all that much power, never used its own keyboard or mouse (not even sure if it has a built in mouse, trackpad, whatever). Was perfect for the task I needed it for.

Also came with Linux preinstalled, which was nice. It is a great feeling when your equipment never had any windows on it, ever. (I replaced the stock Ubuntu with Debian nevertheless, but still!)

I actually liked the XPS13 more than any of the Thinkpads I have used since, even though the thinkpads are more powerful.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:38:21

Quote from: kishy on Wed, 13 April 2016, 07:42:25

Quote from: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:18:48
Quote from: kishy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:44:10
I purchased a Vostro 3750 in October 2011. i7-2670QM, 6GB DDR3 (4+2), 500GB 7200RPM HDD, GeForce GT 525M (Optimus).

I was pleased with my value for money initially, and being a business model, it had ProSupport which is their supposed-to-be-actually-competent support resource.

I spent the following 3 months unsuccessfully trying to prove to Dell that their computer had a design defect. I even shipped the computer to them with specific instructions that could reproduce the symptom and they insisted it wasn't doing it. They bought the computer back from me and I bought a ThinkPad W520.

What design defect?

The internal subwoofer produces a buzzing tone that follows your cursor around the screen, when the cursor is light coloured and the background colour is dark, in conditions when the Nvidia GPU is active.

They sent me a replacement computer that did the same. Eventually I just opened it up and took a look at the various components on the motherboard. In a highly unscientific way - just simple observations - I worked out that audio components were down in the corner of the board relatively close to the speaker and headphone connectors, but the subwoofer connector was further away on the board, and because of the board design, the traces for it would run in close proximity to the GPU on their way across.

The option was to unplug the subwoofer, or let them buy it back. They made the offer to buy it back after I made the above point, without addressing it, despite having claimed actual product engineers who had designed the model were working on my issue.

so basically it was a case of insufficient shielding? Must be annoying as hell. Especially if you have pinpointed the issue.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:38:54

Quote from: algernon on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:10:29

Had a Dell XPS13 (2014 edition) at a previous employer, loved it. Nice little box. I didn't need all that much power, never used its own keyboard or mouse (not even sure if it has a built in mouse, trackpad, whatever). Was perfect for the task I needed it for.

Also came with Linux preinstalled, which was nice. It is a great feeling when your equipment never had any windows on it, ever. (I replaced the stock Ubuntu with Debian nevertheless, but still!)

I actually liked the XPS13 more than any of the Thinkpads I have used since, even though the thinkpads are more powerful.

Why do you like the XPS more than Thinkpads? Ever had a Carbon / X1?

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: algernon on Wed, 13 April 2016, 09:01:13

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:38:54

Why do you like the XPS more than Thinkpads? Ever had a Carbon / X1?

Haven't tried any Carbon/X1s, but looking at the specs, I don't see what they'd offer me over the XPS13. I do not use the built-in keyboard, nor the trackpad/trackpoint, nor the screen, except when presenting from my own laptop, once in a blue moon. The laptop is permanently attached to an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. As long as it runs Emacs, Chrome and a terminal at an acceptable speed, it is perfect. I do not use it for anything else. 8Gb memory and an integrated GPU is just fine for my use case.

The XPS13 took the less space on my desk so far, and came with Linux by default (and also looked nice, the all-black thinkpads look awful on a white desk). These two reasons are why I liked it more than the various thinkpads I used since.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: kishy on Wed, 13 April 2016, 09:34:38

Quote from: iLLucionist on Wed, 13 April 2016, 08:38:21

Quote from: kishy on Wed, 13 April 2016, 07:42:25
Quote from: iLLucionist on Tue, 12 April 2016, 08:18:48
Quote from: kishy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 07:44:10
I purchased a Vostro 3750 in October 2011. i7-2670QM, 6GB DDR3 (4+2), 500GB 7200RPM HDD, GeForce GT 525M (Optimus).

I was pleased with my value for money initially, and being a business model, it had ProSupport which is their supposed-to-be-actually-competent support resource.

I spent the following 3 months unsuccessfully trying to prove to Dell that their computer had a design defect. I even shipped the computer to them with specific instructions that could reproduce the symptom and they insisted it wasn't doing it. They bought the computer back from me and I bought a ThinkPad W520.

What design defect?

The internal subwoofer produces a buzzing tone that follows your cursor around the screen, when the cursor is light coloured and the background colour is dark, in conditions when the Nvidia GPU is active.

They sent me a replacement computer that did the same. Eventually I just opened it up and took a look at the various components on the motherboard. In a highly unscientific way - just simple observations - I worked out that audio components were down in the corner of the board relatively close to the speaker and headphone connectors, but the subwoofer connector was further away on the board, and because of the board design, the traces for it would run in close proximity to the GPU on their way across.

The option was to unplug the subwoofer, or let them buy it back. They made the offer to buy it back after I made the above point, without addressing it, despite having claimed actual product engineers who had designed the model were working on my issue.

so basically it was a case of insufficient shielding? Must be annoying as hell. Especially if you have pinpointed the issue.

Correct. Had the subwoofer connector been located somewhere else, and the subwoofer wires been extended but ran in a shielded jacket, I suspect the issue may not have existed. I don't really know enough about it to be sure, but the normal speakers and headphones did not buzz - only the internal "woofer" - and the location/routing of the traces for that connector were the likely suspect.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: xtrafrood on Wed, 13 April 2016, 09:54:26

I--haven't used a Dell product since 2001. I used them in high school for typing out office documents, emails, etc. I guess the quality control has changed quite a bit since then. These days I'm more interested in their monitors

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: Asininity on Wed, 13 April 2016, 18:10:53

Quote from: csmertx on Wed, 13 April 2016, 09:54:26

I--haven't used a Dell product since 2001. I used them in high school for typing out office documents, emails, etc. I guess the quality control has changed quite a bit since then. These days I'm more interested in their monitors

I don't care for their computers however Dell has some fantastic monitors. I have a U2414H and it has been a fabulous monitor. I have on of their first 1900x1200 IPS monitors with RGB and composite ports. I've been meaning to connect connect my old Gamecube to it.

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: ANightOnCloudNine on Wed, 13 April 2016, 20:08:40

only high end dell is good, they regurgitate **** laptops and desktops like any other company, like HP

Title: Re: Dude, did you get a Dell ?
Post by: smknjoe on Wed, 13 April 2016, 20:13:29

Quote from: rowdy on Tue, 12 April 2016, 05:43:16

Quote from: smknjoe on Mon, 11 April 2016, 23:07:21
Quote from: rowdy on Mon, 11 April 2016, 05:29:46
RAID 0 is not really RAID - no redundancy.

Hey, I just use it. I didn't name it. :) It does seem odd that it's still call a RAID array.

That also is not precisely correct, as the A already stands for "array". It's just a RAID :p

Did you just call me out for saying ATM machine? :)