Post by: jaffers on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:08:40
For some context I will explain.
I feel like things are going to go as a really good movie or book does. 1. You read it and love it and get into it and can't put it down. 2. You grow an attachment to it 3. You get to the end and feel like a loved one has died because there is nothing left, and it's over
When I first became apart of this hobby I looked at all the keyboards and liked all the designs and keycaps, regardless of the profile, colour scheme (well most) or the layout. Now that I have been apart of this hobby for a while my tastes have become more and more refined, i.e. I look at unicorn vomit and SA profile and want to chuck my guts myself. This has saved my wallet but has made end game become more approachable, and I am almost near end game as far as key sets go. All I need is Peacock and desko and I'm done
In regards to layout 1800 is pretty much perfect for me and I will probably design and build a custom specifically around that, and finally have my perfect keyboard. Everything else (i.e. topre, alps) is just collecting it for the sake of trying it
And as far as artisans go? I think 97% of all current designs are ****ing horrendous because A. The colour scheme doesn't actually match many keysets that look nice and B. The sculptor has no sense of what looks good (i.e. the balance between KISS and damn there is detail in that) or alternatively C. which is "What the **** is that actually meant to be it looks like a foreskin"
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:11:10
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:13:19
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:15:42
Anyways, I believe I reached a plateau. Although, I don't have that one keyboard I ultimately love, I have reached a point where I am comfortable with the variety of keyboards I have.
I see my self returning to old hobbies such as running or maybe picking up skateboarding again. I am really trying to return to my old social self instead of isolating myself on this website.
I don't think I will be buying anything keyboard related in the next few months. It really depends on the person as to what happens next. Some stay to socialize, stay up to date with the community, or ****post like me.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:16:31
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:17:49
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Socializing is quite different from finishing off a hobby though, did you move onto anything else when you felt like you were pretty much done? Or did you just become content in relentlessly ****posting?
If you just want to type, you end there. If you're a collector, there is no endgame.
There is a difference between collecting and hording though, and I have very specific keyboards in mind that I want to get to 'finish' the collection
Post by: HeeCh2ei on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:18:42
You can pack your endgame in a box to store it somewhere and try to reach another endgame.
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:19:02
If you just want to type, you end there. If you're a collector, there is no endgame.I agree with this.
Plus you could be a maker, who finds things to create.
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:20:58
And the journey is the community
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:22:07
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Socializing is quite different from finishing off a hobby though, did you move onto anything else when you felt like you were pretty much done? Or did you just become content in relentlessly ****posting?
I've got some things in the works, but at this point I'm pretty content just enjoying the community.
;)
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:26:17
There is a difference between collecting and hording though, and I have very specific keyboards in mind that I want to get to 'finish' the collectionI think the whole point of collecting is hoarding, more or less, the two words are virtually synonymous anyway xD .
I'll happily admit I'm a relentless hoarder though, I'm at 80 or so different models and I still want more! :D
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:27:50
There is a difference between collecting and hording though, and I have very specific keyboards in mind that I want to get to 'finish' the collectionI think the whole point of collecting is hoarding, more or less, the two words are virtually synonymous anyway xD .
I'll happily admit I'm a relentless hoarder though, I'm at 80 or so different models and I still want more! :D
We are different breeds of men
Anyways, I believe I reached a plateau. Although, I don't have that one keyboard I ultimately love, I have reached a point where I am comfortable with the variety of keyboards I have.
I see my self returning to old hobbies such as running or maybe picking up skateboarding again. I am really trying to return to my old social self instead of isolating myself on this website.
I don't think I will be buying anything keyboard related in the next few months. It really depends on the person as to what happens next. Some stay to socialize, stay up to date with the community, or ****post like me.
****posting.com.au/geekhack.org
Post by: HeeCh2ei on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:41:45
Post by: demik on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:42:49
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 May 2016, 08:50:02
Also this.
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
And this.
I am really trying to return to my old social self instead of isolating myself on this website.
I don't think I will be buying anything keyboard related in the next few months. It really depends on the person as to what happens next. Some stay to socialize, stay up to date with the community, or ****post like me.
Post by: dante on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:25:00
Become a mod.
Or add a title to your forum name so you can advertise to the "world" what a perfect and unique little snowflake you think you are!
You start annoying people on here
This guy knows what's up!
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:33:04
Or you just turn into demik.
I have no idea.
Never found my end game.
Post by: LunarisDream on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:54:39
Never found my end game.
There really isn't one. New switches and designs and features will always come out, as is the way with technology.
Post by: demik on Thu, 19 May 2016, 09:57:20
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:00:24
technology has basically stops there since 30 years ago.Never found my end game.
There really isn't one. New switches and designs and features will always come out, as is the way with technology.
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:14:16
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:24:55
Become a mod.
Or add a title to your forum name so you can advertise to the "world" what a perfect and unique little snowflake you think you are!
huh?
Post by: HeeCh2ei on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:50:37
And then you try a Selectric....Did someone has already make a keyboard out of it?
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:52:22
Become a mod.
Or add a title to your forum name so you can advertise to the "world" what a perfect and unique little snowflake you think you are!
huh?
que?
Post by: chyros on Thu, 19 May 2016, 10:59:43
I'm not sure, but USB typewriters (not even electrical ones) do exist and are commercially available.And then you try a Selectric....Did someone has already make a keyboard out of it?
Post by: HeeCh2ei on Thu, 19 May 2016, 11:16:51
Ok. It's hard to imagine non electrical usb typewriter and I don't see any point in it. Conversion of an old legend is something different.I'm not sure, but USB typewriters (not even electrical ones) do exist and are commercially available.And then you try a Selectric....Did someone has already make a keyboard out of it?
Post by: Hyde on Thu, 19 May 2016, 11:33:09
Mouse are fairly cheap, a decent mouse will cost you around $80.
Keyboard gets a bit expensive, typically you're looking at $150-$200.
Headphone can range from $200 for a decent one and go all the way up to $2000. My current headphone is about $300.
So we'll see where this goes. :P
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 19 May 2016, 11:33:53
Switch to different hobby ! Haha I actually started with gaming mouse first, then after I got the mouse I want I move to keyboard, now I'm currently in headphone.
Mouse are fairly cheap, a decent mouse will cost you around $80.
Keyboard gets a bit expensive, typically you're looking at $150-$200.
Headphone can range from $200 for a decent one and go all the way up to $2000. My current headphone is about $300.
So we'll see where this goes. :P
Time to step up to Speakers! :D
Post by: supamesican on Thu, 19 May 2016, 12:15:17
Post by: clacktalk on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:12:36
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:14:56
Post by: FoxWolf1 on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:21:14
Also, in the real world, what will probably happen is that I'll finally find something that seems to meet all my criteria, and start using it...and then either a) it'll break after a few months, pissing me off to the point where I won't buy another one, or b) it'll break after a couple of years and I won't be able to find a replacement. Either way, I'll wind up searching for new keyboards again.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:23:39
??
Post by: absyrd on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:24:22
What you do when you reach end game is start spreading the gospel of your favorite board.
This. HHKB is my eg keyboard. This doesn't mean I won't take loaners to try and persuade me otherwise (been done).
I enjoy the community and still like reading about new boards and builds.
I like my friends.
Post by: 1391406 on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:32:39
I am truely curious. What did you do?
Saved money.
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:38:54
"What is life after death?"
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:39:57
We need more of this kind of philosophical discussions...
"What is life after death?"
pain
Post by: need on Thu, 19 May 2016, 13:54:25
How do you know though?We need more of this kind of philosophical discussions...
"What is life after death?"
pain
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 19 May 2016, 14:31:14
How do you know though?We need more of this kind of philosophical discussions...
"What is life after death?"
pain
Experience.
Post by: tigersharkdude on Thu, 19 May 2016, 14:32:39
We need more of this kind of philosophical discussions...
"What is life after death?"
pain
Life is pain. .. ask me how I know
Post by: LunarisDream on Thu, 19 May 2016, 23:48:13
Life is pain. .. ask me how I know
How do you know
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Fri, 20 May 2016, 00:24:34
I find my preferences change from different kinds of keycaps to switches. It's nice to have several to choose from at your whim. I think for the (hobbyist, enthusiast, fanatic) you choose, half the fun is in the hunt, so there can be no endgame.
From my perspective/experience, I've come close to my "endgame." The Poker 3 LED. I was a Gateron fan for a while, but I found myself making stabbing motions in place of keystrokes so as to no avoid bottoming out. I find the Cherry Browns are more natural, and the ABS caps being soft offer a very pleasurable typing experience. I may replace the keycaps to something else that allows for backlighting. Even though this is now my current favorite board, I wonder about Ducky, Code, Tex, etc, and can't help feeling as if I'm missing out on a "better endgame."
Post by: Floody on Fri, 20 May 2016, 00:54:10
We need more of this kind of philosophical discussions...Is there life after love?
"What is life after death?"
Post by: SBJ on Fri, 20 May 2016, 01:00:34
In this hobby I don't think there is an endgame. By nature the keyboard enthusiast is always looking for better board. You may find what you think is the end all to end all of keyboards, but ultimately there are times when you feel a desire to just use a different board. Half the fun in this hobby is the anticipation, the longing, the excitement of that UPS delivery.That is exactly how I feel.
As soon as that delivery van pull up out front I run out like a dog about to get a treat. I'm probably salivating as well.
And I constantly feel like trying different things. The current obsession is Gateron switches, I lub them so much. But there are times where I'm more in the mood for my Cherry clears.
I'm sure it'll only evolve from there.
Post by: tuantruong on Fri, 20 May 2016, 01:09:57
Post by: LunarisDream on Fri, 20 May 2016, 01:46:42
start new game plus.
INSERT $700 TO CONTINUE
Post by: chyros on Fri, 20 May 2016, 02:24:06
In this hobby I don't think there is an endgame. By nature the keyboard enthusiast is always looking for better board. You may find what you think is the end all to end all of keyboards, but ultimately there are times when you feel a desire to just use a different board. Half the fun in this hobby is the anticipation, the longing, the excitement of that UPS delivery.Well if MX brown is your current endgame, I'm pretty sure you are ;D .
I find my preferences change from different kinds of keycaps to switches. It's nice to have several to choose from at your whim. I think for the (hobbyist, enthusiast, fanatic) you choose, half the fun is in the hunt, so there can be no endgame.
From my perspective/experience, I've come close to my "endgame." The Poker 3 LED. I was a Gateron fan for a while, but I found myself making stabbing motions in place of keystrokes so as to no avoid bottoming out. I find the Cherry Browns are more natural, and the ABS caps being soft offer a very pleasurable typing experience. I may replace the keycaps to something else that allows for backlighting. Even though this is now my current favorite board, I wonder about Ducky, Code, Tex, etc, and can't help feeling as if I'm missing out on a "better endgame."
Post by: tacnificent on Fri, 20 May 2016, 16:01:53
Post by: BucklingSpring on Fri, 20 May 2016, 18:00:21
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
^This
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 22 May 2016, 03:34:44
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Waiting to see what else is coming down the pipeline kinda implies that you haven't reached "endgame".
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Sun, 22 May 2016, 07:37:23
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it wasn't.
Post by: Polymer on Sun, 22 May 2016, 08:07:49
Legends say that those who live long enough to reach end game start group buys and then scam people out of all their money.
Haha...Sure does seem like this is true....
Super active senior members buying everything in sight...they get bored of the hobby...do GBs...do more GBs then make an excuse that someone is sick, family problems, job issues...then run away with everyone's money....
Post by: SBJ on Sun, 22 May 2016, 08:12:08
when i bought my topre, i thought that is end game for me.Just a bottomless pit for you to put your money into.
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it wasn't.
It never ends!
Post by: bocahgundul on Sun, 22 May 2016, 08:38:01
when i bought my topre, i thought that is end game for me.
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.
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it wasn't.
I think its because you choose the wrong topre? :P
only HHKB mane remember dat
Post by: need on Sun, 22 May 2016, 08:42:53
when i bought my topre, i thought that is end game for me.dude you need help, what an addict...
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it wasn't.
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Sun, 22 May 2016, 09:52:27
as for the HHKB, i'm afraid that i because i need the 70% layout.. so no HHKB for me.
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 22 May 2016, 10:30:42
Post by: 1391406 on Sun, 22 May 2016, 13:07:33
Post by: absyrd on Sun, 22 May 2016, 13:17:02
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Waiting to see what else is coming down the pipeline kinda implies that you haven't reached "endgame".
You can watch without buying. No implication.
Post by: demik on Sun, 22 May 2016, 13:22:36
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Sun, 22 May 2016, 17:27:02
Post by: kenmai9 on Sun, 22 May 2016, 17:46:06
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 22 May 2016, 17:54:38
****post relentlessly
I mean I'm pretty much at my end game boards right now, so I really just sit back and enjoy the community. I've made some good friends here, and enjoy talking with them on a daily basis.
And it's always awesome to see what else is coming down the pipeline, from artisans to keyboards.
Waiting to see what else is coming down the pipeline kinda implies that you haven't reached "endgame".
New models, new caps, new cords, new bags, new cases, new topre, new mx, new gateron, new, new, new..
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 23 May 2016, 05:59:43
you start to make friends
Stahp!
Next thing you'll tell him to go outside :eek:
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Mon, 23 May 2016, 06:06:43
you start to make friends
Stahp!
Next thing you'll tell him to go outside :eek:
hey, morning sunshine is good for your health :p
(http://www.trilliumtreasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mom-said-go-play-outside-meme.jpg)
Post by: rowdy on Mon, 23 May 2016, 06:12:26
you start to make friends
Stahp!
Next thing you'll tell him to go outside :eek:
hey, morning sunshine is good for your health :pShow Image(http://www.trilliumtreasures.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mom-said-go-play-outside-meme.jpg)
I was thinking of this, but yeah, same idea :)
(http://i.imgur.com/5ErJITW.gif)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 24 May 2016, 11:17:05
then you pretty much stop being interested in getting new keys, like i did
:eek: kenmai is back!
Post by: kenmai9 on Tue, 24 May 2016, 18:54:09
then you pretty much stop being interested in getting new keys, like i did
:eek: kenmai is back!
yeee came back to try to get a board for my lil bro, who's going off to college soon! :')
but its so nice seeing all of your names attached to these little posts :D
might stick around.. but not as much as before
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 24 May 2016, 19:35:05
For me it just means the lust after each and every new thing that comes around has worn off. There are very few keyboards I'd ever be interested in trying, and almost none that I'd like to own. I like following the community's developments and look forward to certain artisan sales that could complete the only keyboard I'm still trying to put together (my Filco with a Halloween theme). I don't buy artisans only to trade them any more, I only enter sales for the few caps I'd keep. New customs are super interesting and I'd have a hell of a time choosing one if I were interested, but to be completely honest I don't think any would be better than the keyboards in my collection.
I still have a small list of odd projects I'd like to explore (documenting my 356 Mini, converting my Hall Effect, creating an ALPs-compatible acrylic plate for the Mini, low-profile case for the beamspring) but I'm not in much of a rush because diminishing returns are so incredibly extreme at this point.
It's mostly just pushing something in a new and creative way for sake of doing it. I unfortunately don't have much time to hang around in IRC or Discord like I've done with other communities when I was younger, but I cherish the small connections I've made and still love sharing my collection with others. I'd like to go to a meetup, but I'm pretty far out of the way so hopefully I can figure something out in the near future. Got some cool stuff I think people would love to try out :)
Post by: Suruga Devil on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:16:24
I reached my endgame, and I'll tell you what happens.
I didn't reach my keyboard endgame, but I did it elsewhere where gear-whoring is a serious thing. I picked up longboarding very seriously about 6 years ago. I don't mean cruising, casual riding, et cetera, I worked my ass off for multiple hours each day to get good at racing, to the point where I would have done it professionally if it was in the cards for me (there's no money in it, and essentially you lose money just by traveling to competitions- as a student, this was not an option for me) but instead I just went towards the extreme end of casual. I won't bore you with the details, but essentially high grade boards involve three parts, those being the wheels, the turning mechanism ('trucks'), and the board itself. There are thousands of boards, 'trucks', and wheels, all with very different riding feels to them, and I spent five years making my setup. I bought over 20 pairs of wheels, 10 trucks, and 12 boards, mixing and matching my setups and tuning them to find what truly worked for me. In this sport, your connection to the road depends on your board, and when you're racing at 50+ MPH, you have to be damn confident in your gear.
It probably took me 1000+ hours of tinkering and riding to figure out what worked best for me, and eventually I found it, the one setup that I could not improve with any technology on the market, at least for me. It took a lot of money and a lot of time raging when I'd spent an hour assembling a board only to find out a few hours of riding later that it didn't feel right for me. I went back to the drawing board again and again, but one day I finally got all of the right high-end gear to complete my journey to make something that enabled me to feel truly comfortable riding. Most people who longboard seriously never actually achieve this, and pros get custom gear made for them to get closer to the endgame.
So I'll tell you what happened- I was finally satisfied. I can pick up my board, ride it, look at it, and never find a way to improve it, down to how many turns I tightened the trucks. So what happened? I stopped caring about getting better gear. I was done, and that was out of my mind. I could focus exclusively on riding because I never again needed to go back to my garage and change my setup. Hear these words from someone who has actually reached endgame, even if it's not a keyboard endgame. You probably won't go onto Geekhack or Deskthority once you reach your endgame, because you don't need to. There's the chance that you really like collecting gear, but from a practical standpoint, once you find your white whale, you won't be searching for another one. You don't sound like a collector to me, so I can assure you that once you find your keyboard, the perfect keyboard for you, you won't need to come back and keep looking. It sounds obvious but it's not. If you are purely in this because you want a perfect typing experience, then yes, if you put in the work, you will eventually drop this as a hobby. That sounds somewhat sad, doesn't it? In a sense it is, but it's also not, because haven't you achieved what your goal was in the first place?
I might get flamed because this isn't strictly keyboard talk. I don't really mind. I'm still searching for the perfect keyboard for me, and as a perfectionist it will certainly take me a while, but mark my words: When you reach endgame, the only feeling you will have is satisfaction.
Post by: E3E on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:18:02
Post by: Sneaky Potato on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:22:38
A couple of years ago I got super into the endgame mentality, and I tried to endlessly customize my TKL. Spent a good deal of money, and when it was finally where I wanted it, I didn't get any sense of finality. It pretty much went into the closet once I discovered Topre.
Post by: need on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:37:27
I made an account to reply to this post. (to be fair I was going to make an account anyways, but this sparked it)Great write up :thumb:
I reached my endgame, and I'll tell you what happens.
I didn't reach my keyboard endgame, but I did it elsewhere where gear-whoring is a serious thing. I picked up longboarding very seriously about 6 years ago. I don't mean cruising, casual riding, et cetera, I worked my ass off for multiple hours each day to get good at racing, to the point where I would have done it professionally if it was in the cards for me (there's no money in it, and essentially you lose money just by traveling to competitions- as a student, this was not an option for me) but instead I just went towards the extreme end of casual. I won't bore you with the details, but essentially high grade boards involve three parts, those being the wheels, the turning mechanism ('trucks'), and the board itself. There are thousands of boards, 'trucks', and wheels, all with very different riding feels to them, and I spent five years making my setup. I bought over 20 pairs of wheels, 10 trucks, and 12 boards, mixing and matching my setups and tuning them to find what truly worked for me. In this sport, your connection to the road depends on your board, and when you're racing at 50+ MPH, you have to be damn confident in your gear.
It probably took me 1000+ hours of tinkering and riding to figure out what worked best for me, and eventually I found it, the one setup that I could not improve with any technology on the market, at least for me. It took a lot of money and a lot of time raging when I'd spent an hour assembling a board only to find out a few hours of riding later that it didn't feel right for me. I went back to the drawing board again and again, but one day I finally got all of the right high-end gear to complete my journey to make something that enabled me to feel truly comfortable riding. Most people who longboard seriously never actually achieve this, and pros get custom gear made for them to get closer to the endgame.
So I'll tell you what happened- I was finally satisfied. I can pick up my board, ride it, look at it, and never find a way to improve it, down to how many turns I tightened the trucks. So what happened? I stopped caring about getting better gear. I was done, and that was out of my mind. I could focus exclusively on riding because I never again needed to go back to my garage and change my setup. Hear these words from someone who has actually reached endgame, even if it's not a keyboard endgame. You probably won't go onto Geekhack or Deskthority once you reach your endgame, because you don't need to. There's the chance that you really like collecting gear, but from a practical standpoint, once you find your white whale, you won't be searching for another one. You don't sound like a collector to me, so I can assure you that once you find your keyboard, the perfect keyboard for you, you won't need to come back and keep looking. It sounds obvious but it's not. If you are purely in this because you want a perfect typing experience, then yes, if you put in the work, you will eventually drop this as a hobby. That sounds somewhat sad, doesn't it? In a sense it is, but it's also not, because haven't you achieved what your goal was in the first place?
I might get flamed because this isn't strictly keyboard talk. I don't really mind. I'm still searching for the perfect keyboard for me, and as a perfectionist it will certainly take me a while, but mark my words: When you reach endgame, the only feeling you will have is satisfaction.
You should try out Topre/model F
Post by: Suruga Devil on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:43:31
I don't think anybody reaches "endgame", they just get comfortable for a while. Customization is the nature of our hobby. As soon as something new comes out for whatever board you're using, your current dream of endgame can quickly change.
I disagree, if we're only speaking of people who are in this to obtain the best typing experience possible. The whole idea of an endgame scenario is that you get comfortable for not just a while, but forever- unless you're truly die-hard, once you become truly satisfied with your setup, why would you keep searching for something better? If you enjoy keyboards not only for the typing experience but also as a psuedo-collecting hobby, then I do agree, you won't find an endgame board, because finding an endgame board isn't your goal 100% of the way. There are a lot of people who buy a Razor Blackwidow, and for them, it IS their endgame, because they stop searching for a better option.
For a lot of us, though, I don't think the collecting will ever stop.
Great write up :thumb:
You should try out Topre/model F
Thank you!
Rocking a HHKB Pro 2 with a red PBT spacebar, with a WASD v2 TKL Green with Miami on standby. I've also got a Steelseries 6GVS, but the non-standard layout basically means that one's permanently benched. :cool:
Still waiting for a good aluminum case for the HHKB, plus I've got a pipe dream to make a custom 140-key behemoth. Macro keys are underappreciated for real.
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:46:43
I made an account to reply to this post. (to be fair I was going to make an account anyways, but this sparked it)
I reached my endgame, and I'll tell you what happens.
I didn't reach my keyboard endgame, but I did it elsewhere where gear-whoring is a serious thing. I picked up longboarding very seriously about 6 years ago. I don't mean cruising, casual riding, et cetera, I worked my ass off for multiple hours each day to get good at racing, to the point where I would have done it professionally if it was in the cards for me (there's no money in it, and essentially you lose money just by traveling to competitions- as a student, this was not an option for me) but instead I just went towards the extreme end of casual. I won't bore you with the details, but essentially high grade boards involve three parts, those being the wheels, the turning mechanism ('trucks'), and the board itself. There are thousands of boards, 'trucks', and wheels, all with very different riding feels to them, and I spent five years making my setup. I bought over 20 pairs of wheels, 10 trucks, and 12 boards, mixing and matching my setups and tuning them to find what truly worked for me. In this sport, your connection to the road depends on your board, and when you're racing at 50+ MPH, you have to be damn confident in your gear.
It probably took me 1000+ hours of tinkering and riding to figure out what worked best for me, and eventually I found it, the one setup that I could not improve with any technology on the market, at least for me. It took a lot of money and a lot of time raging when I'd spent an hour assembling a board only to find out a few hours of riding later that it didn't feel right for me. I went back to the drawing board again and again, but one day I finally got all of the right high-end gear to complete my journey to make something that enabled me to feel truly comfortable riding. Most people who longboard seriously never actually achieve this, and pros get custom gear made for them to get closer to the endgame.
So I'll tell you what happened- I was finally satisfied. I can pick up my board, ride it, look at it, and never find a way to improve it, down to how many turns I tightened the trucks. So what happened? I stopped caring about getting better gear. I was done, and that was out of my mind. I could focus exclusively on riding because I never again needed to go back to my garage and change my setup. Hear these words from someone who has actually reached endgame, even if it's not a keyboard endgame. You probably won't go onto Geekhack or Deskthority once you reach your endgame, because you don't need to. There's the chance that you really like collecting gear, but from a practical standpoint, once you find your white whale, you won't be searching for another one. You don't sound like a collector to me, so I can assure you that once you find your keyboard, the perfect keyboard for you, you won't need to come back and keep looking. It sounds obvious but it's not. If you are purely in this because you want a perfect typing experience, then yes, if you put in the work, you will eventually drop this as a hobby. That sounds somewhat sad, doesn't it? In a sense it is, but it's also not, because haven't you achieved what your goal was in the first place?
I might get flamed because this isn't strictly keyboard talk. I don't really mind. I'm still searching for the perfect keyboard for me, and as a perfectionist it will certainly take me a while, but mark my words: When you reach endgame, the only feeling you will have is satisfaction.
I still hold to the idea that there is will always be a new switch or a new case to try but I have to know, what bearings do you have on your endgame board?
Post by: Suruga Devil on Fri, 27 May 2016, 12:50:50
I still hold to the idea that there is will always be a new switch or a new case to try but I have to know, what bearings do you have on your endgame board?
I run Zealous bearings in that thing, they're so much easier to deal with when I'm cleaning 'em. I used Bones Reds with precision spacers for a while, and the performance is exactly the same, but Zealous edge it out in the simplicity department :D
Suruga Devil, derailing threads since 2016
Post by: hashbaz on Fri, 27 May 2016, 13:04:24
Post by: yookwh on Fri, 27 May 2016, 13:21:30
However, even if I did only see myself liking only one type of keyboard, I'd want to try out keyboards from different companies.
Post by: need on Fri, 27 May 2016, 14:22:19
I doubt I will ever reach an end game. For me, my tastes in keyboard is rather large and varied - Cherry MX clears will always be my go-to, but I've started to really like Topre-based keyboards to use at my school's library. I can see myself branching into other types of Cherry MX's, and even try the famous IBM's whenever I get my hands on one that's in better condition than I usually see on craigslist.but surely you'll have one that you're into more than second and third?
However, even if I did only see myself liking only one type of keyboard, I'd want to try out keyboards from different companies.
Post by: yookwh on Fri, 27 May 2016, 14:27:17
Post by: davkol on Fri, 27 May 2016, 15:04:45
I have reached my end-game headphones. They're 25 years old. My preferred type of earpads isn't produced anymore. Thus, I still occasionally browse forums looking for spares or alternatives, in case my current cans fail or fall apart. I'm also interested in compiling a historical overview of associated product lines, because that information is currently missing for the most part.
Pointing devices are worse, because what I want doesn't exist. I currently own several devices, that I consider the best in the market, and I'm alright with them. However, I'm still flipping stuff out of curiosity. I don't visit forums though, because the herd mentality is strong there.
Keyboards are similar to both of the aforementioned cases, at least for me. Moreover, there's a ton of things beyond the physical keyboard: in software.
Post by: UnFocused on Fri, 27 May 2016, 16:13:38
when i bought my topre, i thought that is end game for me.
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it wasn't.
Same here.
Post by: Beca on Fri, 27 May 2016, 16:20:46
Post by: Suruga Devil on Sat, 28 May 2016, 04:37:16
It only took me a year after I discovered geekhack to buy a topre keyboard, which I've been using for the past 2 years now (Leopold FC660C which I traded for an HHKB Pro 2). I don't really see the point in buying new keycaps or artisans anymore since I don't even look at my keyboard when I type, so I sold all the CCs I got to people who would probably enjoy them more than me :P No point in having a beautiful, colorful keyboard if I don't plan on posting pics of it either.
Of course, it's not like us Topre users have that many keycap options. The only full sets which exist that aren't stock cost more than the keyboards themselves. Every month or so I google 'hhkb keycap sets' and there's never anything new ;_;
Post by: xtrafrood on Sat, 28 May 2016, 04:44:10
It only took me a year after I discovered geekhack to buy a topre keyboard, which I've been using for the past 2 years now (Leopold FC660C which I traded for an HHKB Pro 2). I don't really see the point in buying new keycaps or artisans anymore since I don't even look at my keyboard when I type, so I sold all the CCs I got to people who would probably enjoy them more than me :P No point in having a beautiful, colorful keyboard if I don't plan on posting pics of it either.
Of course, it's not like us Topre users have that many keycap options. The only full sets which exist that aren't stock cost more than the keyboards themselves. Every month or so I google 'hhkb keycap sets' and there's never anything new ;_;
I've read somewhere that a reddit user offered/offers a keycap dyeing service that seemed to produce some awesome results.
Post by: HeeCh2ei on Sat, 28 May 2016, 06:59:34
It only took me a year after I discovered geekhack to buy a topre keyboard, which I've been using for the past 2 years now (Leopold FC660C which I traded for an HHKB Pro 2). I don't really see the point in buying new keycaps or artisans anymore since I don't even look at my keyboard when I type, so I sold all the CCs I got to people who would probably enjoy them more than me :P No point in having a beautiful, colorful keyboard if I don't plan on posting pics of it either.
Of course, it's not like us Topre users have that many keycap options. The only full sets which exist that aren't stock cost more than the keyboards themselves. Every month or so I google 'hhkb keycap sets' and there's never anything new ;_;
Are you do anything to change this? Then you don't really need any different caps.
Post by: 1391406 on Sat, 28 May 2016, 08:04:40
I don't really see the point in buying new keycaps or artisans anymore since I don't even look at my keyboard when I type
A lot of people don't look at their keyboard while typing (including me) because it slows them down, but I do look at and appreciate its aesthetics at times when I'm not.
Post by: need on Sat, 28 May 2016, 08:15:05
Post by: Beca on Sat, 28 May 2016, 16:36:34
I don't really see the point in buying new keycaps or artisans anymore since I don't even look at my keyboard when I type
A lot of people don't look at their keyboard while typing (including me) because it slows them down, but I do look at and appreciate its aesthetics at times when I'm not.
True, but I don't think I would be willing to drop more than ~$15 for a keycap set. I like the default look of the HHKB keycaps as well, the font/sizing/placement is perfect (Realforce caps, specifically the modifers, however...yuck).