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Title: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: plainbriny on Fri, 03 June 2016, 05:28:56
Cherry has revealed a new switch in COMPUTEX 2016.

https://www.cool3c.com/article/107156

This switch is gray (silver?) and aimed for speed (and named so). The force is similar to red, but the travel reduced from 1.9 mm to 1.2 mm. Seems only available for Corsair now.

Well, actually they announced it back in April. More info from Tom's Hardware:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cherry-mx-speed-switches-corsair,31648.html

Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: zombiegristle on Fri, 03 June 2016, 05:30:40
Man, if I were there I'd have a hard time not stuffing my pockets with switches from that awesome display while nobody's looking.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: kingslenkds on Fri, 03 June 2016, 09:27:37
wow
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 03 June 2016, 14:03:57
Isn't that essentially what Razer does?
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: klennkellon on Fri, 03 June 2016, 14:29:50
Isn't that essentially what Razer does?
Razers switches are modified Kailh Blues that actuate higher up and have less hysteresis but their travel distance is the same.

And ALPS switches already actuate higher up and are usually better than MX anyway  :))
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 03 June 2016, 14:33:38
The switch is already featured on the Corsair Gaming K70 RGB RAPIDFIRE. The Amazon price atm is $170; that price and non-standard bottom row tho :(
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Sneaky Potato on Fri, 03 June 2016, 14:35:16
I'm actually interested to feel switches that have shorter travel. Might be interesting.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Tactile on Fri, 03 June 2016, 14:58:02
I think they're talking about the actuation point, not the total travel. They wouldn't be reducing the travel of MX switches *from* 1.9mm because the travel of a MX switch is 4mm.

http://cherryswitches.com/us/product/keymodule-mx-series/
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Touch_It on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:01:34
I think they're talking about the actuation point, not the total travel. They wouldn't be reducing the travel of MX switches *from* 1.9mm because the travel of a MX switch is 4mm.

http://cherryswitches.com/us/product/keymodule-mx-series/

This. 

Slightly off topic, travel distance of alps is 3.5 mm. (not sure on accuation point).

Topre is introducing a keyboard where you have 3 different settings for actuation point.

On topic:  Wonder how much of a difference this really makes in apn games like SC2.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Tactile on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:17:58
I think they're talking about the actuation point, not the total travel. They wouldn't be reducing the travel of MX switches *from* 1.9mm because the travel of a MX switch is 4mm.

http://cherryswitches.com/us/product/keymodule-mx-series/
Wonder how much of a difference this really makes in apn games like SC2.

So many of the really good gamers "float" the switches at just the actuation point, I'm not sure they would be impressed. Those really top-end gamers might be more interested in a lower/faster reset than where the actuation point is.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: 0100010 on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:21:46
I think they're talking about the actuation point, not the total travel. They wouldn't be reducing the travel of MX switches *from* 1.9mm because the travel of a MX switch is 4mm.

http://cherryswitches.com/us/product/keymodule-mx-series/

This. 

Slightly off topic, travel distance of alps is 3.5 mm. (not sure on accuation point).

Topre is introducing a keyboard where you have 3 different settings for actuation point.

On topic:  Wonder how much of a difference this really makes in apn games like SC2.

Say the MX Speed switch total travel is 3.4mm (compared to others, such as MX Red at 4mm).
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:29:38
I see this as a gateway switch to Cherry's new (new?) clear switch housing haha. Looks like Gateron made an impression
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 03 June 2016, 15:57:48
More reading/listening:
Youtube: Linus Tech Tips: BRAND NEW Cherry MX Speed Switches! - Corsair Booth, PAX East 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llQ4nMt-E9U) (April 27)
Geekhack: MX Silver (Speed?) Stem Pictures (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=81945.msg2165356#msg2165356) (May 08)

I had collected info in The DT wiki (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_MX_Silver), but not seen anything new to enter since April 28.

Razers switches are modified Kailh Blues that actuate higher up and have less hysteresis but their travel distance is the same.
Is there really that big a difference between Kailh and Razer blues?

I thought the actuation distance was a property of the Kailh switches ... which Razer chose to blew up as a feature because only to justify the change to another manufacturer.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 05 June 2016, 01:18:35
Now it's going to be even harder to recommend keyboards to people, with dozens of manufacturers, hundreds of keyboards, and an ever-increasing number of switches!
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: bazh on Sun, 05 June 2016, 02:27:50
Now it's going to be even harder to recommend keyboards to people, with dozens of manufacturers, hundreds of keyboards, and an ever-increasing number of switches!
But isn't it nowadays Cherry switches line up is still much less than the old days?

And that alone was not couting the world of Alps :))


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Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 June 2016, 03:21:48
The Marketing guy goes to the engineer, Klaus, I'm running out of stuff to sell to these kids..

Engineer Klaus::   Hang on..  click click, Solidworks,  click click, extrude cut,  Ok here you go.. we shaved off a little on the stem there..


Marketing guy foams at the mouth..
We're gonna make millions..  $$$$$$$$..

(http://img.emoticonplus.com/Zyrg.gif)
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 June 2016, 03:26:04
Engineer Hanz: But wait Klaus,  how much difference in travel does that influence..??

Engineer Klaus:  Verpiss dich..   I don't know... just put a larger +/- tolerance in the spec sheet so they can't sue us.... Now, go away, I'm busy with the mid-week sausage competition ..
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 05 June 2016, 03:27:48
Eventually they'll keep applying this same marketing to switches and we'll end up with Cherry MX butterfly switches.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 05 June 2016, 03:32:12
Eventually they'll keep applying this same marketing to switches and we'll end up with Cherry MX butterfly switches.

not likely, apple already patented everything related to butterflies..
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 05 June 2016, 03:34:50
Eventually they'll keep applying this same marketing to switches and we'll end up with Cherry MX butterfly switches.

not likely, apple already patented everything related to butterflies..

I've got it. They'll just use a projector keyboard but it will come with a plate for mounting Cherry caps that aligns with the projector.
I can see it already.

"Cherry MX Lightning: Type with the speed of light! "
It'll even use an rgb projector to increase gaming performance.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 05 June 2016, 09:21:22
Eventually they'll keep applying this same marketing to switches and we'll end up with Cherry MX butterfly switches.

not likely, apple already patented everything related to butterflies..

I've got it. They'll just use a projector keyboard but it will come with a plate for mounting Cherry caps that aligns with the projector.
I can see it already.

"Cherry MX Lightning: Type with the speed of light! "
It'll even use an rgb projector to increase gaming performance.

You keep mentioning a projector keyboard. I wonder if you're already using.. :blank:
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: 0100010 on Sun, 05 June 2016, 09:26:57
I've got it. They'll just use a projector keyboard but it will come with a plate for mounting Cherry caps that aligns with the projector.
I can see it already.

"Cherry MX Lightning: Type with the speed of light! "
It'll even use an rgb projector to increase gaming performance.

Thought there already was a gaming targeted optical interrupt switch?
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 05 June 2016, 09:45:56
I've got it. They'll just use a projector keyboard but it will come with a plate for mounting Cherry caps that aligns with the projector.
I can see it already.

"Cherry MX Lightning: Type with the speed of light! "
It'll even use an rgb projector to increase gaming performance.

Thought there already was a gaming targeted optical interrupt switch?

Yep but those are switches. I think FrostyToast likes those projector keyboards for some reason /shrug
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Wazazaby on Sun, 05 June 2016, 09:59:16
Like reds with o rings
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Sun, 05 June 2016, 10:29:53
Good lord, finding o-rings for the speed switches might be a bit of a challenge
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: Wazazaby on Tue, 07 June 2016, 04:15:23
Do you even need o-rings for it ?
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: ThoughtArtist on Tue, 07 June 2016, 19:04:25
Do you even need o-rings for it ?

Yes. And plastic covering for my bed so I don't wet it at night.
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: xtrafrood on Tue, 07 June 2016, 19:09:58
Do you even need o-rings for it ?

Yes. And plastic covering for my bed so I don't wet it at night.

So that you can soak your bed frame in urine? Lovely
Title: Re: New Cherry SPEED switch with shorter travel
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 07 June 2016, 21:01:35
Eventually they'll keep applying this same marketing to switches and we'll end up with Cherry MX butterfly switches.

not likely, apple already patented everything related to butterflies..

I've got it. They'll just use a projector keyboard but it will come with a plate for mounting Cherry caps that aligns with the projector.
I can see it already.

"Cherry MX Lightning: Type with the speed of light! "
It'll even use an rgb projector to increase gaming performance.

You keep mentioning a projector keyboard. I wonder if you're already using.. :blank:

I made replies mentioning projector keyboards maybe three times.
It's not that often I make comments on them.  :confused: