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Title: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sat, 18 June 2016, 13:18:32
Hi,

what's the maximum length a keyboard cable can have, for keyboards with PS/2 and DIN connectors?  Is there a specification stating a maximum length?



Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: Tactile on Sat, 18 June 2016, 13:30:09
These folks estimate 50 meters.

http://www.pcmech.com/article/how-far-can-that-wire-go/
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sat, 18 June 2016, 13:36:30
Thanks!

50m is a bit optimistic as an estimate, IMHO.  IIRC, parallel printer cables are specified for max. 20m, and they use 12V signals.

In any case, I'll probably be more limited by the max. length of the display port cable.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: chyros on Sat, 18 June 2016, 14:00:55
Longest one I have is a 3 metre SDL cable for a model M, although it's coiled so it stretches comfortably beyond that.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: rm-rf on Sat, 18 June 2016, 14:08:24
depending on what kind of display port you are using...
search for "KVM cable"
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 18 June 2016, 14:14:20
coiled is so bad though. snags on everything, and most of them are too stiff anyway. terrible!
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: QuincyJones on Sat, 18 June 2016, 14:35:20
eugh - who wants to have to carry their cable in a wheelbarrow?
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 18 June 2016, 14:45:00
Also kinda depends on the quality of the cable and if it is in one piece or with some extensions. Cheap extension cables tend to have problems after 6-10m, good quality one-piece cables can be much longer.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sat, 18 June 2016, 16:22:46
depending on what kind of display port you are using...
search for "KVM cable"

That's display port 1.2 --- only the 3rd cable I got finally worked.

I guess once we get 8k displays, we'll need optical cables because the transfer rates will be too high for copper ones.  It would already make sense with 4k.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sat, 18 June 2016, 16:29:27
coiled is so bad though. snags on everything, and most of them are too stiff anyway. terrible!

Tell me about it.

But then, I'm considering getting a coiled one as it would fit so well to two of my keyboards.  It would be just right somehow, and I don't need to carry it around.

Also, they're probably cheap because nobody in their right mind would want one ;)
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: Bucake on Sat, 18 June 2016, 17:10:42
coiled is so bad though. snags on everything, and most of them are too stiff anyway. terrible!

Tell me about it.

But then, I'm considering getting a coiled one as it would fit so well to two of my keyboards.  It would be just right somehow, and I don't need to carry it around.

Also, they're probably cheap because nobody in their right mind would want one ;)

if you say you have a good reason, i will allow it
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sat, 18 June 2016, 18:00:54
coiled is so bad though. snags on everything, and most of them are too stiff anyway. terrible!

Tell me about it.

But then, I'm considering getting a coiled one as it would fit so well to two of my keyboards.  It would be just right somehow, and I don't need to carry it around.

Also, they're probably cheap because nobody in their right mind would want one ;)

if you say you have a good reason, i will allow it

You're so generous :)

I made up my mind, I do want a coiled one.  There's a lot to be said for a coiled cable, like it would simply be too short if it wasn't coiled.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: y11971alex on Sat, 18 June 2016, 18:27:46
Hi,

what's the maximum length a keyboard cable can have, for keyboards with PS/2 and DIN connectors?  Is there a specification stating a maximum length?
Depends on the resistance (and thus purity) of the cable material.  Theoretically, an electrical signal can propagate infinitely, given a zero-impedance medium, but such a medium hasn't yet been discovered.
Title: Re: maximum cable length?
Post by: lee+ on Sun, 19 June 2016, 14:20:45
Hi,

what's the maximum length a keyboard cable can have, for keyboards with PS/2 and DIN connectors?  Is there a specification stating a maximum length?
Depends on the resistance (and thus purity) of the cable material.  Theoretically, an electrical signal can propagate infinitely, given a zero-impedance medium, but such a medium hasn't yet been discovered.

At some point it would take too long for the signals to travel from the keyboard to the computer, and you would feel as if you were using an USB keyboard.