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Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: didjamatic on Tue, 05 January 2010, 08:17:31
I'm looking into getting a ball chair to rotate with my Steelcase chair at work.  Does anyone here use a ball and do you have any recommendations?

Gaiam Ball Chair (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007VB4NE/ref=asc_df_B0007VB4NE994674)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/413g9VvHYAL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

Max Fitness 75cm Exercise Ball (http://www.amazon.com/Max-Fitness-75cm-Exercise-Black/dp/B0006U2Q60)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Ey2452DcL._SL500_AA280_.jpg)

And who could forget the Dwight's "fitness Orb (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut-_M1Tib2s)" on The Office:
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: spolia optima on Tue, 05 January 2010, 12:59:42
As long as you don't let them touch...
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Rajagra on Wed, 06 January 2010, 22:16:45
Yes, they are very comfortable.

(http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/islandblogging//blogs/005209/images/kilt_stool.jpg)

Oh, wait, that isn't what you meant?

Quote from: spolia optima;148174
As long as you don't let them touch...

NSFW (http://www.demotivatorblog.com/2008/09/10/large-hardon-collider-demotivator/)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 07 January 2010, 01:36:22
Ball chairs are great as a second chair to rotate out if your primary chair is not doing it for you because you've been sitting in it for too long or you've got multiple chronic injuries that sometimes aren't alleviated by your primary chair. Just make sure you get the right size or it's not going to do your posture much good.

The plus side of the ball chairs is that they tend to enforce good posture because if you slouch, you tend to become unstable and drift off to one side. They're also comparatively cheap and you can always deflate it if you find yourself not needing it and want to put it away. No frills cheap chairs are usually really bad for your body and ball chairs are one of the few exceptions. Plus, they don't wear down like most chairs do.

The negative side of ball chairs is that they're not terribly practical as chairs that you can sit in for for extended days because your back and abdominals tend to get tired from having no passive support at all the entire day. I'd find it hard to put in a 12 hour day sitting on a ball.

While they tend to encourage good posture, they can also be even worse for your posture because unless you're a highly trained gymnast, you will start getting tired whether you realize it or not. The more tired your midsection gets, the more likely  you'll be to find some way of slouching without falling off the ball and that can cause you to assume some really funky postures to achieve this feat or you might start leaning harder on your wrists for balance. You'll find some way to compensate.

If you're not a great shape, you might also find yourself really sore the day after you sit on a Theraball. On the positive side, it actually is a good way of getting some light trunk strengthening endurance exercise. You just have to get used to it, but just don't be surprised if you're sore the next day.

BTW, my comments are for just a ball and not a ball plus the chair frame. I'm not that familiar with using the frame with the seat. I've only briefly tried it out once and I'd make a guess that the frame takes away some of the benefit and some of the downsides of sitting on a ball. Good posture is still possible with it, but it won't enforce good posture, it won't work your muscles as hard, but it also won't encourage you to develop drastic ways to compensate as your postural muscles get fatigued.

Final disclaimer... this is all relevant for your "average person." If you need special chairs because of an injury that you have, sitting on a ball may not be good for you at all depending on the kind of injury that you have. In particular if you have an injury that makes hyper-lordosis (over-arching of your low back) dangerous, sitting on a Theraball may not be for you.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 07 January 2010, 01:40:24
BTW, my personal sitting setup consists of a fully loaded Zody Chair with a Theraball as an occasional backup chair when my back is feeling stiff and I need a sitting device that I can move around in a lot without sacrificing posture.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: exia on Thu, 07 January 2010, 02:30:07
try a modded toilet seat for your chair
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 07 January 2010, 07:52:42
Quote from: hyperlinked;148756
Ball chairs are great as a second chair to rotate out if your primary chair is not doing it for you because you've been sitting in it for too long or you've got multiple chronic injuries that sometimes aren't alleviated by your primary chair. Just make sure you get the right size or it's not going to do your posture much good.

The plus side of the ball chairs is that they tend to enforce good posture because if you slouch, you tend to become unstable and drift off to one side. They're also comparatively cheap and you can always deflate it if you find yourself not needing it and want to put it away. No frills cheap chairs are usually really bad for your body and ball chairs are one of the few exceptions. Plus, they don't wear down like most chairs do.

The negative side of ball chairs is that they're not terribly practical as chairs that you can sit in for for extended days because your back and abdominals tend to get tired from having no passive support at all the entire day. I'd find it hard to put in a 12 hour day sitting on a ball.

While they tend to encourage good posture, they can also be even worse for your posture because unless you're a highly trained gymnast, you will start getting tired whether you realize it or not. The more tired your midsection gets, the more likely  you'll be to find some way of slouching without falling off the ball and that can cause you to assume some really funky postures to achieve this feat or you might start leaning harder on your wrists for balance. You'll find some way to compensate.

If you're not a great shape, you might also find yourself really sore the day after you sit on a Theraball. On the positive side, it actually is a good way of getting some light trunk strengthening endurance exercise. You just have to get used to it, but just don't be surprised if you're sore the next day.

BTW, my comments are for just a ball and not a ball plus the chair frame. I'm not that familiar with using the frame with the seat. I've only briefly tried it out once and I'd make a guess that the frame takes away some of the benefit and some of the downsides of sitting on a ball. Good posture is still possible with it, but it won't enforce good posture, it won't work your muscles as hard, but it also won't encourage you to develop drastic ways to compensate as your postural muscles get fatigued.

Final disclaimer... this is all relevant for your "average person." If you need special chairs because of an injury that you have, sitting on a ball may not be good for you at all depending on the kind of injury that you have. In particular if you have an injury that makes hyper-lordosis (over-arching of your low back) dangerous, sitting on a Theraball may not be for you.


Great info, thanks.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Superfluous Parentheses on Sat, 09 January 2010, 12:10:09
Hi! First time poster here.

I've been using balls for something like 6 years now, and short of some of the $1000+ office chairs there isn't anything close for my comfort.

I had a theraball first but it sprang a leak after a couple of years. Note: do not try to repair a ball like that with a standard bicycle repair kit :) I currently have an unbranded 75cm ball from my local sports/outdoors shop. I really like them and I easily sit on them for a working day.

hyperlinked is right though that you do need to watch your posture and you do eventually get tired. I've tried some of the ball+support hybrids - and also an arrangement with a plain ball + ring to keep it fixed on the floor - but for me they really don't work as well as a plain ball; I guess that having it free to move is key for me.

YMMV, but a plain ball shouldn't cost more than $20 or so, and even if you don't like it in the end it's a great toy for the kids :)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 09 January 2010, 12:11:39
Welcome SP.

I was first set on the chair ball, but now I'm really leaning to just getting a plain 75mm ball.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Superfluous Parentheses on Sat, 09 January 2010, 17:27:32
Quote from: didjamatic;149499
Welcome SP.

I was first set on the chair ball, but now I'm really leaning to just getting a plain 75mm ball.

I'm sure you need one about 10 times as large.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: didjamatic on Sat, 09 January 2010, 17:45:30
Haha, yes I mean 75cm, not mm.  A 75mm ball would not be comfortable at all.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 09 January 2010, 18:24:28
Quote from: Superfluous Parentheses;149611
I'm sure you need one about 10 times as large.

No, I think didjamatic is about 30cm tall. ;)

I'll just expand on Super's comment about liking just the ball better. Although I focused my comments on the discomfort in terms of fatigue that just having a ball will cause you, there's one way in which a ball chair is more comfortable than just about anything you can buy. It's the only chair I can think of that allows you to move back and forth and side to side fluidly and continuously if your back starts to feel stiff or if the pressure on part of your butt or legs starts to bother you.

You can't do this once you put something down that impedes the movement of the ball. Suddenly, it's basically a large soft elastic seat that only feels good if you're sitting somewhere near the center. In this scenario, a regular high end task chair is a much better choice if you have one available to you.  

I assume that you might need an alternate chair if your back starts feeling stiff and painful and no static posture gives you much comfort. If this is true, then being able to shift around on a ball might feel really good. On just a plain old ball, you could roll around to the extent that you end up rolling forward all the way until you're lying on the center of your back and doing a bridge exercise (which is actually a core strengthening exercise that is sometimes taught).

As far as the brand of the ball to get. I don't really know if there's any huge difference between the brands. Theraball is just the big brand that has name recognition because those are the balls that are (or were) widely used in physical therapy practices. One way or the other, it shouldn't be a big deal in price anymore unless you're ordering through a medical supply company. Thera-band products used to come with a stiff premium, but they seem to be more reasonably priced now.

I have one theraball and one generic brand and I can't say there's any noticeable difference in quality though I have come across a generic model or two in the past ten years that I wouldn't want to use.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Superfluous Parentheses on Sat, 09 January 2010, 18:58:37
Quote from: hyperlinked;149643
I have one theraball and one generic brand and I can't say there's any noticeable difference in quality though I have come across a generic model or two in the past ten years that I wouldn't want to use.

I've tried one generic brand that I didn't like, and the main problem for me was that the material was just too stiff - meaning it was pretty much fixed to one size; when deflating them they wouldn't contract enough, and it  would  bulge at the sides and not roll enough. Since all seating equipment needs to be tuned to exactly the right height, that was annoying. The other no-brand ball I've got now has no problems like that: it can easily expand 5 cm or contract about 10 cm from the advertised 75 cm.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hoggy on Sun, 07 February 2010, 14:19:39
I've been using a ball as a chair for a few months now.  

Give it a go.  They're cheap, so there's it's not much of a risk if you don't like it.  You will need to keep your existing chair, which you can use as a visitor chair when you're on the ball.

Start off with maybe 20 mins at a sitting (sorry), then go back to your normal chair for a while.  When you find yourself leaning on your elbows, it's time to switch.  Don't start off sitting on it all day, you'll just cheat and stabilise yourself without even noticing - and get little benefit in the process - it's supposed to be unstable.

You'll get strange looks (but like, who cares?).

When no-one is around, put some music one and have a little bounce!
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 09 February 2010, 00:55:27
If you do get one, treat yourself to a pump for air beds from an outdoors shop and you'll find a door wedge handy to trap the ball under your desk when you walk away, otherwise it might wander away and visit colleagues when you leave your desk.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 09 February 2010, 19:07:11
When I see this thread I keep seeing one of those 1960s era chairs where you sit in a hollow sphere.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 10 February 2010, 11:09:48
More like this:
 
(http://www.bmcaff.com/models/spherechair.jpg)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: JulienC on Wed, 10 February 2010, 13:45:36
I still prefer this:

(http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/127301-2/Pink_exercise_ball.gif)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 10 February 2010, 14:17:41
Quote from: ripster;157585
Like this?

Show Image
(http://youtomb.mit.edu/thumbnail/YouTube/5/U/5UsTF0WUsYg/ed0d881ae60d75e14cfd15c9cb6a6572.jpg)


It'll make your bub bubs bounce (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDr742MGZJ8).


Ripster, if you ever post anything like that again, so help me I will put you on my block list.  (j/k)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: kishy on Wed, 10 February 2010, 14:26:22
"This video contains content from Turner (Adultswim), who has decided to block it in your country."
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 10 February 2010, 14:28:18
Quote from: kishy;157627
"This video contains content from Turner (Adultswim), who has decided to block it in your country."

Feel lucky.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 10 February 2010, 14:37:21
Strange. That guy bleeds motor oil. Maybe he's a zombie.
 
How did zombies become an internet meme, anyway?
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Post by: ricercar on Wed, 10 February 2010, 17:41:34
(http://www.bmcaff.com/models/spherechair.jpg)

Install loudspeakers and you never need headphones again.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: elservo on Wed, 17 February 2010, 19:02:23
(http://www.spurgeonworld.com/blog/images/bowling_ball_1.jpg)

I sit on one of those at work because I'm tough as nails.  Sometimes I don't even sit. Sometimes I just stand up all day swearing at people and making obscene gestures at photos of the Pope.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 18 February 2010, 07:13:55
Is that your bowling ball?  You have a nice deck and pool.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: elservo on Thu, 18 February 2010, 14:44:32
No, that's a google images bowling ball.  Google images does have a nice deck and pool, though.  

When I go bowling, I use one of those knicked-up house balls that I always blame for keeping me sub-200 for life.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Rajagra on Thu, 18 February 2010, 15:03:18
Quote from: hoggy;157182
you'll find a door wedge handy to trap the ball under your desk when you walk away, otherwise it might wander away and visit colleagues when you leave your desk.


That could lead to a very bad day at the office.


Hmm. Remind you of anything from the series Lost?
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Thu, 18 February 2010, 16:01:37
Quote from: ripster;159221
that's a usb bowling ball to be precise.
Show Image
(http://listverse.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bowlingball.jpg-tm.jpg)


so when you sit on it is the 5 volts to light up your hair like your avatar?


Avatar was the best movie EVER!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 18 February 2010, 16:07:17
Oh, wow.
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Post by: elservo on Thu, 18 February 2010, 17:33:02
You know I thought I saw a USB plug on there when I posted it, but then I was like "why the hell would there be a USB plug sticking out of a perfectly good bowling ball?"

I guess people want to be able to power gadgets or something when they're out on the deck, but why use a bowling ball???!?!?!?!?  The earth, man.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 19 February 2010, 07:04:32
That's a great pic, ripster. That's also why the special effects in the original Star Wars trilogy were the best of all time, IMO. Ever since then, I have not seen a movie with effects more believable than those movies.
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Post by: Rajagra on Fri, 19 February 2010, 08:15:47
Quote from: ripster;159262
Miyazaki animation.  

"Now the fate of the world rests on the courage of one fearless princess."

I throw up a little when I hear phrases like that. Especially when they are aimed at influencing the minds of children.

Kids, courage does not overcome all obstacles. Nor does love. Reality will bite you in the ass if you grow up believing that kind of nonsense.

I suspect it is true about Avatar being the inferior film though.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Phaedrus2129 on Fri, 19 February 2010, 13:23:38
Quote from: Rajagra;159225
That could lead to a very bad day at the office.

Hmm. Remind you of anything from the series Lost?

Is it sad that I own that series on DVD? And I don't mean Lost.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Rajagra on Fri, 19 February 2010, 14:30:54
Quote from: Phaedrus2129;159401
Is it sad that I own that series on DVD? And I don't mean Lost.


It's only sad if the story makes sense to you after watching the final episode. :smile:

Actually, if it does make perfect sense, seek therapy. :rofl:
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 14:32:18
Quote from: Rajagra;159432
It's only sad if the story makes sense to you after watching the final episode.


Lost or The Prisoner?
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Post by: Rajagra on Fri, 19 February 2010, 14:46:32
Quote from: ricercar;159433
Lost or The Prisoner?


The Prisoner. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_Out_%28The_Prisoner%29)
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 19:08:29
Quote from: webwit;159514
Movies need more of this kind (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuZSmSBLWAg) of realism.



"This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. "

Da *****es.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: Rajagra on Fri, 19 February 2010, 19:15:18
Quote from: ricercar;159519
"This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. "

Da *****es.


Best thing on Youtube. And for once I'm not the one not getting it blocked!

So much of it done in one take. Awesome.


Movie spoiler: Tiger Woods is the dad.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: kishy on Fri, 19 February 2010, 21:23:00
Quote from: ripster;159530
That works.  Of course in the US all he would have had to do is go to Detroit and start the cameras.

Show Image
(http://javajune.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/slum-detroit.jpg)


I don't know if it's THAT bad anymore. Last time I was over there (and traveling about) a couple years ago I remember there being a lot of...what you showed a photo of...but my understanding is they're cleaning up.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 19 February 2010, 22:44:30
Quote from: webwit;159525
Hah, it's usually the other way round. Hmm, does this work? (http://webwit.nl/c4m.html)

Yes, thank you.

That's one of the most powerful scenes in cinema from the last decade. The brutality of the embedded camera remaining splattered, surpassed within the same film only by the ephemeral wonder during the "let's leave the building with the baby" scene.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 20 February 2010, 04:59:40
I don't get out very often. What movie is that?
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: JulienC on Sat, 20 February 2010, 19:04:33
Quote from: webwit;159604
The Hobbit could be good. This time they only need to compress one book into a movie.

Into two (http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/04/17/the-hobbit-movie-in-two-parts/) movies.
Title: Ball Chairs
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 26 February 2010, 19:51:04
Carpenter's ex, what's her name, Bigelow, made The Pain Locker. There's the cinematic storytelling enough for two years..