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Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: joniho on Wed, 06 January 2010, 14:30:56: (http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/c-users-rneville-desktop-final_photography-43709_2b-600.jpg)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/mad-catz-adds-mice-to-cyborg-pc-gaming-line-doesnt-blend-hum/ (http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/06/mad-catz-adds-mice-to-cyborg-pc-gaming-line-doesnt-blend-hum/)

I'm not sure what I'm looking at, but my eyes feel violated.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 06 January 2010, 14:32:59: I'm not too sure what's going on here, either, but in a weird way, I kinda like it.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 06 January 2010, 14:44:41: That doesn't really strike me to be ergonomic.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 06 January 2010, 14:49:59: I love it. Haven't used it but I love the way it looks. Function = fashionable.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: joniho on Wed, 06 January 2010, 15:04:25: I have no clue what purpose these back knobs have, and the rectangular button-within-a-button back/forward buttons look like they require pinpoint precision to avoid misclicking.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/01/c-users-rneville-desktop-final_photography-43707_2c-800.jpg)
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 06 January 2010, 15:12:44: Quote from: kishy;148564
Problem is that it may not be terribly functional. Knowing the quality of their game controllers (which I'd refer to as low) it's quite possible the buttons will be difficult to press and usability may just be poor.

MadCatz did do a good job with their SSFIV controllers. They even used Sanwa parts for the button and joystick. They have a new CEO that wants to turn them around and get away from that "low quality" perception. Hopefully, this mouse is a step in the right direction.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: keyb_gr on Wed, 06 January 2010, 15:14:17: This looks like designed by a late-19th-century mechanical engineer who spent a little too much time watching Star Wars. In other words, 1337 g4m3rz are gonna love these monster rodents. If they work well, all the better, but consider yours truly in the "oh dear, that's really over the top" camp.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 06 January 2010, 15:53:35: Real metal knobs and red buttons FTW!
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: joniho on Wed, 06 January 2010, 16:03:23: From Gizmodo:

Quote
San Diego, January 06, 2010

Mad Catz® Interactive, Inc. (AMEX/TSX: MCZ), a leading worldwide third-party interactive entertainment accessory provider, today unveiled a new range of premium Cyborg gaming mice expected to begin shipping in Spring 2010.

"Cyborg is best known for ergonomic and fully adjustable flight sticks, gaming mice and keyboards. The new mouse range incorporates the same market leading design principles and applies them to gaming mice. For the first time ever on a mouse, the key points of contact between the gamer's hand and the mouse are fully adjustable allowing it to be customized for any grip preference" commented, Darren Richardson, President and Chief Executive Officer of Mad Catz. "The Cyborg mouse range was developed entirely in house and I believe they are the most comfortable gaming mice you'll ever use. Besides, they just look cool!"

Following-up Darren Richardson said, "The addition of this line of mice bolsters Cyborg's strong gaming keyboard market presence and is a continuation of our strategy of developing products that evoke a passionate consumer response."

For a complete feature matrix, see the table at the end of the announcement. The gaming mice expected to ship as part of the range includes:

• Cyborg R.A.T. 7 Gaming Mouse
o Features: Fully Adjustable; 5600dpi laser; Programmable; Weight System; USB powered
o MSRP: $99.99 / £79.99 / €99.99

• Cyborg R.A.T. 9 Gaming Mouse
o Features: Wireless, Fully Adjustable, 5600dpi laser; Programmable,; Weight System; Powered by Rechargeable Batteries
o MSRP: $129.99/ £99.99 / €129.99

• Cyborg R.A.T. 5 Gaming Mouse
o Features: Adjustable Length; 4000dpi laser, Programmable; Weight System; USB powered
o MSRP: $69.99/ £49.99 / €59.99

• Cyborg R.A.T. 3 Gaming Mouse
o Features: 3200dpi laser; USB powered
o MSRP: $49.99 / £34.99 / €49.99
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: ricercar on Wed, 06 January 2010, 16:21:50: Is it symmetrical? Looks not. Do they offer a sinister version? Probably not.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 06 January 2010, 19:41:41: Quote from: kishy;148570
I'd bet they pulled a Logitech and provided sensitivity adjustments. In this case, they may have done it properly with a knob instead of impossible to press tiny buttons.

The buttons on the side do also look a little demented though.

The whole thing looks demented. I'm sticking with my real computer mice.
(http://www.cir.com/pc/msmouse/msmouse.jpg)
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 07 January 2010, 01:17:01: I think those "knobs" that we're all befuddled about may actually be weights... or at least some of them might be weights rather than adjustment knobs. As for the button on button thing, I think it just looks like a button on top of a button from some angles. Hell if I know... but from the other angles, the "base button" looks like it just might be solid plastic.

As far as if something like this is ergonomic or not... just because it's really angular doesn't mean that it can't be ergonomic. Everyone associates curvy form fitting designs as "ergonomic" and in some cases they are, but if there are the right supports in the right spots, even something that looks very blocky can be ergonomic.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: YpoCaramel on Thu, 07 January 2010, 02:11:25: Yes, it's quite the "gamer" look, which I'm not sure actually sell products honestly, but I like the exposed knobs idea. Changing the shape of the mouse? Naw - Logitech had the better idea, as far as I know, switching between a comfort grip and gaming claw grip. I'd rather those knobs fine tune sensitivity or zoom or anything else.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: nanu on Thu, 07 January 2010, 06:16:30: I wish all product makers would take (simulated) shots after handling the product in realistic conditions for weeks. I want see how potentially filthy these things could get. Something more realistic than this, my simulation for sweaty-handed, greasy-snack-eaters:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7096&stc=1&d=1262866310)
Note the high amount of potential dirt buildup areas.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 07 January 2010, 07:53:54: Quote from: nanu;148774
I wish all product makers would take (simulated) shots after handling the product in realistic conditions for weeks. I want see how potentially filthy these things could get. Something more realistic than this, my simulation for sweaty-handed, greasy-snack-eaters:
Show Image
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=7096&stc=1&d=1262866310)

Note the high amount of potential dirt buildup areas.

That photo looks like someone's been eating English muffins.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Thu, 07 January 2010, 09:31:53: Honestly, design-wise I've seen worse. Much worse. And tons of that.

In the highly unlikely case that this thing was actually as solid inside as it looks from outside, I'd seriously consider getting one. I'm really tired of buying all these pieces of crap that need to be replaced every year - with yet another piece of the same crap.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Shuki on Thu, 07 January 2010, 12:02:26: It looks like one of those self-made trackballs that guy used to make.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: joniho on Thu, 07 January 2010, 18:59:38: http://kotaku.com/5443122/mad-catz-shapeshifting-gaming-mouse

Video, explains what the knobs do.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: o2dazone on Thu, 07 January 2010, 19:28:57: Quote from: didjamatic;148787
That photo looks like someone's been eating English muffins.

haha
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: DreymaR on Fri, 08 January 2010, 02:51:11: If I had a mouse like that, I'd find myself constantly saying 'I have you now!' in my deepest voice while fiddling with the knobs...
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Kostamojen on Fri, 08 January 2010, 20:30:03: If it adjusted its tilt angle I'd be all over it. Thats the one big issue I had finding a new mouse.

But the fact the grip is so dramatically adjustable is awesome. I'm just concerned how those alan bolts and such will effect how you grip the mouse.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 13 January 2010, 14:57:34: Here (http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/01/rat-9-mouse-long-on-features-michael-bay-good-looks.ars) is more info on the Mad Catz mice. In a nutshell: the styling is unique, but the build quality and features more than make up for it. That, and just about everything is adjustable.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 13 January 2010, 15:22:58: Okay, it looks a bit weird, but...

- A metal chassis?
- It's Fully adjustable?
- A big rest for the pinky and thumb?
- A "sniper button" which reduces DPI as long you press it?

Sounds great... If the build quality is good, I'll probably get one!
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 13 January 2010, 15:27:07: Yeah, I'm actually excited about these now. I might look into the best wired one when it comes out.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Sat, 16 January 2010, 18:27:32: Does that one have fake bass ports like all the others?
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: In Stereo! on Sun, 17 January 2010, 01:22:40: Why would they be fake? Is not that it is cheaper to make a closed bass reflex than an opened one. Fake bass reflex are just plain stupid.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Ranma13 on Sun, 17 January 2010, 06:54:55: I'm definitely going to pick up one when it comes out. I've been looking for a decent mouse and so far they've all disappointed in one way or another. The custom adjustability is what really draws me to this one.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 17 January 2010, 09:24:16: Quote from: In Stereo!;151446
Why would they be fake? Is not that it is cheaper to make a closed bass reflex than an opened one. Fake bass reflex are just plain stupid.

I'm always puzzled about that too. But if you look at just about any newer stereo, it's got fake bass ports.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Wed, 20 January 2010, 19:12:14: Bah, all right hand only designs, as usual.
Been trying for years to find an excuse to retire my 7€ Logitech mouse, but all other mice I got my hands on felt a lot worse.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Langley on Thu, 21 January 2010, 13:38:07: Quote from: Mental Hobbit;152517
Bah, all right hand only designs, as usual.
Been trying for years to find an excuse to retire my 7€ Logitech mouse, but all other mice I got my hands on felt a lot worse.

Support for us left-handers is gradually dying. Everyone is starting to assume that most of us with just switch over and it won't be a problem. The right-handers are going all Borg and trying to absorb us into their collective.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: In Stereo! on Thu, 21 January 2010, 16:19:32: Most of the pointing devices I used or wated to use in the last few years, were all ambidextrous. Actually the first that is not, is the Marble FX which I purchased just last week.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: InSanCen on Fri, 22 January 2010, 18:52:50: I quite like the look of that. Saying that, my Trike apparently looked like a Mad Max refugee.

I think I'll wait until I can get my hands on it for a feel. Wired version though, for me.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 04 March 2010, 11:52:13: Here's a little video tour for you: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/mad-catz-cyborg-rat-a-guided-tour-video/
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 04 March 2010, 11:58:18: BTW, I want.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: sggsix on Thu, 04 March 2010, 13:02:01: I'm scared. Someone get me out of hiding when the terror is over.

Quote from: ripster;148610
Hmm... I cleared my Firefox cache and a nekked picture of Hermione appeared instead.

ahh...here it is
Show Image
(http://bestpcreviews.com/uploads/inputdevices/thumbs/1198392853_saitek_cyborg_keyboard.jpg)
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 04 March 2010, 17:45:11: WTF! Does that thing come with an oxygen mask attachment?
http://saitek.com/uk/prod/cykeyv2.htm
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Half-Saint on Thu, 11 March 2010, 08:06:55: It looks like a starship from battlestar galactica..
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: tom45678 on Sun, 14 March 2010, 23:48:06: I want one simply for the appearance. The contrast between the futurey cyborg mouse and the funky old model M makes me grin just thinking about it.

On a way more boring note, if it is as adjustable as it promises, ill look at one as a comfortable mouse does wonders for my dodgy wrist.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 14 March 2010, 23:52:12: Quote from: microsoft windows;148681
The whole thing looks demented. I'm sticking with my real computer mice.
Show Image
(http://www.cir.com/pc/msmouse/msmouse.jpg)

LOL. I actually have one of those mircosoft mice brand new. It has the grey scroll wheel and cord (it was advertised somewhere on windows 98).
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: nowsharing on Mon, 15 March 2010, 00:24:12: The Cyborg Rat seems to be a nice match to those black M13s that we all just bought up. I'll be sticking with my rocketfish (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=6750&highlight=rocketfish) though:
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 15 March 2010, 11:54:35: I'm currently using a very comfortable Roccat Kone (http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Mice/ROCCAT-Kone/).
I'm surprised no one mentioned the HandshoeMouse (http://www.handshoemouse.com/) yet.
(http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/hippus-mouse.jpg)
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 15 March 2010, 14:22:54: That mouse sure is plenty ergonomic.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Mon, 15 March 2010, 15:20:08: That mouse looks too fancy for me. Any old trackball does it for me.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 15 March 2010, 15:22:41: Quote from: JaccoW;164173
I'm surprised no one mentioned the HandshoeMouse (http://www.handshoemouse.com/) yet.
Show Image
(http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/hippus-mouse.jpg)

We have (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=5412&highlight=HandshoeMouse) awhile back.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 15 March 2010, 17:44:08: Quote from: JaccoW;164173
I'm currently using a very comfortable Roccat Kone (http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Mice/ROCCAT-Kone/).
I'm surprised no one mentioned the HandshoeMouse (http://www.handshoemouse.com/) yet.
Show Image
(http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/hippus-mouse.jpg)

It looks like a stringray...

Quote from: Computer-Lab in Basement;164209
That mouse looks too fancy for me. Any old trackball does it for me.

I second that notion; anything too crazy doesn't work for me; or just feels akward. Plain beige!
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: ricercar on Mon, 15 March 2010, 18:36:20: The ledge would support the hand, enforcing the shoulder/arm motion over the wrist and finger.

(http://www.techpin.com/wp-content/hippus-mouse.jpg)

The ergonomics actually resemble my favorite trackball enough to make me want one.

(http://www.logitech.com/repository/450/jpg/6063.1.0.jpg)
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 16 July 2010, 10:49:03: Has anyone tried one of these yet? A couple of the models are out now, and they look pretty interesting.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 16 July 2010, 10:55:05: That red mouse looks quite comfy.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Fri, 16 July 2010, 11:02:57: Quote from: itlnstln;203328
Has anyone tried one of these yet? A couple of the models are out now, and they look pretty interesting.

The MadCatz or the HandShoe? I have the wired version of the MadCatz on order. Hasn't shipped yet.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 16 July 2010, 11:11:51: You know something that just popped into my head?

Imagine of somebody made a shoe that rolled and acted as a computer mouse. Kind of like a roller skate.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Computer-Lab in Basement on Fri, 16 July 2010, 11:39:31: Interesting idea, but i think its a dud. No one will want it. You would need a hard surface on which to roll this "shoe-mouse" on, and alot of people have carpet in their computer areas. Not to mention a very large mousepad. And how would you click? Your toes?
Title: bum knee
Post by: woebtz on Fri, 16 July 2010, 15:59:10: I tried operating a trackball w/ my foot and it resulted in achy knees after a week. I don't think our feet were meant to mouse around.

However, I don't think my knees would mind as much if the movement was limited to just up and down. Imagine separate rolling pins (or analog foot pedals/rockers) that controlled the mouse x/y-axis!
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 16 July 2010, 16:14:30: This mouse has been given me issues for the past week (cutting into the time i have for modding my ms4k ergo/brown)
rather than rehash, i'll just post the [H] link i have with this mouse
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1484148&page=9

it starts off with driver issues, then madcatz rep logs on the forum and he just plays the rep game, rather than address the legitamate concerns and issues faced with this mouse.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 16 July 2010, 17:16:00: Quote from: d4rkst4r;203333
The MadCatz or the HandShoe? I have the wired version of the MadCatz on order. Hasn't shipped yet.

My bad, I meant the MadCatz.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 16 July 2010, 17:16:00: Quote from: Lanx;203388
This mouse has been given me issues for the past week (cutting into the time i have for modding my ms4k ergo/brown)
rather than rehash, i'll just post the [H] link i have with this mouse
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1484148&page=9

it starts off with driver issues, then madcatz rep logs on the forum and he just plays the rep game, rather than address the legitamate concerns and issues faced with this mouse.

Just get an IBM Scrollpoint pro mouse. Lasts longer, better features, ergonomic, looks cool.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 16 July 2010, 18:37:58: Or a Microsoft Serial mouse 2.1A. They're very good mice too.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Lanx on Fri, 16 July 2010, 18:54:33: mice are actually in the realm where these old things... aren't great, no model m type things here, the newer the better. Well currently design issues aside, no one is going to go back to ball mice.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Fri, 16 July 2010, 19:03:19: It's fun to use older technology and experience the durability, and nice build quality in comparison to modern peripherals. However, ergonomics does factor into the choice of pointing devices.

The problem I have with mice in general is they're always too narrow. Gripping these narrow mice causes my thumb and pinkie to stay in a cramped position. Over long periods of time, this can cause cramps, pain, and RSI. I can relax my pinkie and use my ring finger to grip the right side of the mouse. The pinkie is then dragging on the mouse surface. I have the tendency to curl my pinkie to tuck it out of the way. Over time, that has caused pain in my pinkie joint.

Considering all this, the adjustability of the MadCatz mouse is very appealing to me. I'm hoping it has sufficient width adjustments to alleviate the hand cramping and pinkie stress of narrower mice. Of course, the MadCatz mouse should at least triple my frag ratio and increase my geek cred and improve life in general. :biggrin:
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: morffius on Fri, 16 July 2010, 19:32:54: Quote from: Lanx;203388
This mouse has been given me issues for the past week (cutting into the time i have for modding my ms4k ergo/brown)
rather than rehash, i'll just post the [H] link i have with this mouse
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1484148&page=9

it starts off with driver issues, then madcatz rep logs on the forum and he just plays the rep game, rather than address the legitamate concerns and issues faced with this mouse.

I've had mine for about a week now, and I agree with most all of the complaints other people have had so far (Thumb rest pivot is in the wrong place, no mouse foot on the pinky rest, twineye sensor stuff). Luckily, I haven't had any driver problems though.

I dont remember where I read it, if it was here or there, but there was an awesome thread on mice tracking and different surfaces. I knew that pretty much the only pad that works well with the twineye was the SX, so I got that on day 1 too.

It was a hefty investment, but i have huge hands and I am really enjoying the mouse. Is it worth all that money, eh, probably not.

PS: That rep's responses were utter nonsense.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 16 July 2010, 20:37:54: Quote from: Lanx;203460
mice are actually in the realm where these old things... aren't great, no model m type things here, the newer the better. Well currently design issues aside, no one is going to go back to ball mice.

The mouse wheel is very old, and a rather poor piece of technology -- which is why I prefer IBM's scrollpoint. I never particularly enjoyed mouse wheels, only scroll in one direction, can hurt your finger's joint after awhile etc.

And the L40 can do lots of things that other mice can't.

Many people still use ball mice. I have two ball mice and two optical mice. Best of both worlds.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 19 July 2010, 16:47:42: With ball mice, you need to make sure you've got a good one. Bad ones get dirty fast and get poor tracking. That's why I like the old Microsoft Serial mouse so much--the mouse never needs to be cleaned and works great and reliably.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Mon, 19 July 2010, 17:07:39
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 20 July 2010, 17:13:13: Now that's a neat concept.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 20 July 2010, 17:19:49: Quote from: didjamatic;204210

"This video was brought you buy"

Wow, they wrote "buy" instead of "by", now THAT'S pretty bad. English is decaying faster than a molding corpse left out in the sun covered with fruit and sewer extract.

If there's a way to incorporate resizeable mice in a more ergonomic fashion, I'm sure it could be profitable.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 20 July 2010, 17:23:34: I think they used "buy" for more of a corny joke.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: mcbrite on Wed, 21 July 2010, 10:33:21: lol at that mouse with resizing motor... that's the dumbest thing I ever saw...

You adjust it ONCE in the lifetime of the mouse to fit your hand.... Yeah, so why not put an electric motor in it for that ONE adjustment the day you buy it and have it lie dormant for the years to come...

NOTHING but gimmicky bull****...
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 21 July 2010, 10:55:02: Quote from: mcbrite;204817
lol at that mouse with resizing motor... that's the dumbest thing I ever saw...

You adjust it ONCE in the lifetime of the mouse to fit your hand.... Yeah, so why not put an electric motor in it for that ONE adjustment the day you buy it and have it lie dormant for the years to come...

NOTHING but gimmicky bull****...

Maybe people use different mousing techniques based on task that might warrant frequent resizing (gaming vs. work vs. art, for example). It might be a little gimmicky, but I can see where it would have it's advantages. I think you are thinking in a paradigm of how you and perhaps others might use an ordinary mouse today not how you would use a mouse with this feature. I, for one, would be more apt to resize my mouse based on task if it were motorized and fairly quick, especially if it had presets like my car seats. Ordinary, mice are not ergonomic for all uses/techniques; this would help correct some of that.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Wed, 21 July 2010, 11:29:36: Quote from: itlnstln;204819
Maybe people use different mousing techniques based on task that might warrant frequent resizing (gaming vs. work vs. art, for example). It might be a little gimmicky, but I can see where it would have it's advantages. I think you are thinking in a paradigm of how you and perhaps others might use an ordinary mouse today not how you would use a mouse with this feature. I, for one, would be more apt to resize my mouse based on task if it were motorized and fairly quick, especially if it had presets like my car seats. Ordinary, mice are not ergonomic for all uses/techniques; this would help correct some of that.

Same here...
Would be also useful if more than one person uses the mouse!
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 21 July 2010, 11:38:28: Some of us with RSI like change and being able to preprogram the shape of your mouse so it can be easily changed throughout the day could be a benefit. But I've never used one personally. I keep 2 mice plugged in and rotate.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: mcbrite on Wed, 21 July 2010, 12:29:59: Quote from: itlnstln;204819
Maybe people use different mousing techniques based on task that might warrant frequent resizing (gaming vs. work vs. art, for example). It might be a little gimmicky, but I can see where it would have it's advantages. I think you are thinking in a paradigm of how you and perhaps others might use an ordinary mouse today not how you would use a mouse with this feature. I, for one, would be more apt to resize my mouse based on task if it were motorized and fairly quick, especially if it had presets like my car seats. Ordinary, mice are not ergonomic for all uses/techniques; this would help correct some of that.

Load'a'bollocks... A carseat weighs ****ing 50 kilos...

You could adjust it in 1 second flat... instead of waiting for 5 seconds...
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 21 July 2010, 21:11:18: Quote from: didjamatic;204826
Some of us with RSI like change and being able to preprogram the shape of your mouse so it can be easily changed throughout the day could be a benefit. But I've never used one personally. I keep 2 mice plugged in and rotate.

But a much cheaper approach to RSI is to use a variety of mice, which you DON'T HAVE TO PAY A FORTUNE FOR. Just alternete between a few mice of different shapes, trackpoint, a touchpad, and a trackball.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Thu, 22 July 2010, 02:18:46: Quote from: microsoft windows;205108
But a much cheaper approach to RSI is to use a variety of mice, which you DON'T HAVE TO PAY A FORTUNE FOR. Just alternete between a few mice of different shapes, trackpoint, a touchpad, and a trackball.

Well if you get RSI in the first place, you're either not taking enough breaks, eating bad, or should just get more rest.

I remember when I fell on my wrist, I couldn't use the computer for a week. I was fine with that. That was when I had my custom built win 98 rig (I greeted XP with much wroth).
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 22 July 2010, 08:08:43: Quote from: mcbrite;204848
Load'a'bollocks... A carseat weighs ****ing 50 kilos...

You could adjust it in 1 second flat... instead of waiting for 5 seconds...

1. What has weight to do with it?

2. 1 second? You know that there are seats with more* than the forward/backward slide adjusting, don't you?

* Adjustable height, adjustable backrest angle, adjustable width, adjustable softness, adjustable headrest... not to mention adjustable steering wheels :P
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 22 July 2010, 08:16:20: Quote from: TheSoulhunter;205231
1. What has weight to do with it?

2. 1 second? You know that there are seats with more* than the forward/backward slide adjusting, don't you?

* Adjustable height, adjustable backrest angle, adjustable width, adjustable softness, adjustable headrest... not to mention adjustable steering wheels :P

This.

Myopic troll is myopic.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: mcbrite on Thu, 22 July 2010, 08:36:28: Whatever, if you don't get why that's ridiculously idiotic, I don't give a ****...

My new years resolution was to argue less with idiots... Continue...
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Thu, 22 July 2010, 09:57:58: Whatever, if you don't get why this could be useful, I don't give a ****...

My new years resolution was to argue less with idiots... Continue...
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 22 July 2010, 10:35:22: You don't have many friends, do you? It must be hard finding people that share all of your opinions. Everybody else is just an idiot.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Thu, 22 July 2010, 10:59:21: Let me get this strait--You all are arguing over CAR SEATS?
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: didjamatic on Thu, 22 July 2010, 11:18:44: Don't even get him started on pacifiers.
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Post by: gr1m on Thu, 22 July 2010, 12:02:22: Quote from: microsoft windows;205269
Let me get this strait--You all are arguing over CAR SEATS?

Straight*.

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Load'a'bollocks... A carseat weighs ****ing 50 kilos...

You could adjust it in 1 second flat... instead of waiting for 5 seconds...

If your point is "carseats are ****ing heavy and they can be adjusted so easily, why does this mouse take so ****ing long to do it", because carseats are big and heavy, they can fit much bigger and more powerful motors in it to adjust it. Rest assured that you can't fit a carseat-adjusting motor into a handheld mouse that runs off USB power.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 25 July 2010, 11:16:20: I'm sorry. I never was the best speller on the planet.
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Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 26 July 2010, 07:07:43: OK, let me refine my question a bit. How is the Mad Catz R.A.T. as a regular mouse (feel, scrolling, etc.)? I'm not a gamer, so I don't really care about software, drivers, etc. I am more of an Excel jockey. Do these have a "tilt wheel" for horizontal scrolling?
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: hyperlinked on Mon, 26 July 2010, 08:58:14: Quote from: mcbrite;205237
My new years resolution was to argue less with idiots... Continue...

That is terribly unfortunate for you. If I were you, I'd argue exclusively with idiots. Those are the only debates you'll have any chance of winning with your kind of attitude.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 26 July 2010, 09:04:15: Quote from: hyperlinked;206556
That is terribly unfortunate for you. If I were you, I'd argue exclusively with idiots. Those are the only debates you'll have any chance of winning with your kind of attitude.

Well done.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: YpoCaramel on Wed, 28 July 2010, 21:52:56: Arstechnica has a article (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/reviews/2010/07/overkill-as-art-ars-reviews-the-cyborg-rat-7.ars) up now. Quite enthusiastic too, actually.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Wed, 28 July 2010, 23:07:16: You oughta see it in person. Mine just got here. It's very smooth and basic driver install went through windows update on Win7 Ultimate. I'll wait a bit before installing the software bundle. Need to look for an updated bundle online first. A minor complaint is lack of teflon foot on extended pinkie rest like I read someone else complain about. It's easily & cheaply enough remedied. I would like better width adjustment. It's plenty wide for my oversized hands. Overall, you could do a lot worse for $100 mouse. Is is it worth it? That's for you to decide before you plunk down the cash. I'm wanting the wireless version now. I'm about to dive into some BF2 action and test it out on some poor, unsuspecting soul.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Lanx on Wed, 28 July 2010, 23:46:51: Quote from: itlnstln;206528
OK, let me refine my question a bit. How is the Mad Catz R.A.T. as a regular mouse (feel, scrolling, etc.)? I'm not a gamer, so I don't really care about software, drivers, etc. I am more of an Excel jockey. Do these have a "tilt wheel" for horizontal scrolling?

the scroll is slow, quite possibly the slowest scroll i have ever used, and you cannot adjust or reprogram the scroll. This can be remedied, there is a thumb scroll and i set it to pgdn pgup and that works really well.

no tilt wheel, actually i don't believe tilt is a feature really anymore in most any gaming mouse. Though you could prolly just program the thumbwheel or other buttons for ctrl+arrow right (to skip far ahead to the right in excel) or something like that.

i'm off and on with this mouse constantly, it cannot give me the pixel precision i want like my death adder can, it just seems to drift 10pixels or so. I'm not even using it for gaming it's purely work based.

I'm still hoping drivers and such will make the eye better or some kind of firmware update.
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Post by: itlnstln on Thu, 29 July 2010, 07:29:25: I might get the R.A.T. 7. I think the thumb scroll might be better than the tilt wheel for horizontal scrolling since there is better precision. The tilt wheel doesn't really do a "true" scroll, and sometimes, that causes problems with precision.
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Post by: d4rkst4r on Thu, 29 July 2010, 12:49:21: I've never utilized the tilt wheel on a mouse that had that functionality built in.

I'm still using the basic driver for the MadCatz RAT 7 and it works like your basic 5 button mouse. The thumb scroll must need the software bundle to enable it. I'm not experiencing any slow scroll or pixel precision issues. The scroll is adjustable through the regular mouse control panel applet on the wheel tab.

I'm happy with it thus far.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: gr1m on Thu, 29 July 2010, 12:50:55: It actually doesn't seem overly long. Smaller than my G500 in fact, when compared to the numpad in the picture you posted. Wide as hell though.
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Post by: Lanx on Thu, 29 July 2010, 12:58:46: Quote from: gr1m;207529
It actually doesn't seem overly long. Smaller than my G500 in fact, when compared to the numpad in the picture you posted. Wide as hell though.

thats with the pinky holder attached.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Thu, 29 July 2010, 13:45:24: more photos, sans pinkie holder

rear extended, compared to MS wireless mouse

compared to Razer Copperhead

rear extended, next to numpad
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: EverythingIBM on Thu, 29 July 2010, 21:45:48: Quote from: d4rkst4r;207541
more photos, sans pinkie holder

Compare it to a scrollpoint pro. :panda:
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Thu, 29 July 2010, 23:16:06: Quote from: EverythingIBM;207693
Compare it to a scrollpoint pro. :panda:

next to the scrollpoint pro :panda:

it sez so on teh bottom :panda:
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Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 30 July 2010, 03:49:24: Quote from: d4rkst4r;207716
next to the scrollpoint pro :panda:

Your writing is actually fairly neat.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 01 August 2010, 10:13:53: What kind of trackball is that in the post above EIBM's?
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Post by: d4rkst4r on Sun, 01 August 2010, 12:33:17: Quote from: microsoft windows;208145
What kind of trackball is that in the post above EIBM's?

You're kidding, right? It's a Microsoft Trackball Explorer, the best trackball on the planet. Unfortunately, out of production.
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Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 01 August 2010, 12:45:09: Especially Chimera. That guy had some fun opinions about the MS TBE...
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Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 01 August 2010, 15:51:52: Quote from: ripster;208183
3,124 [strike]trolls[/strike] posts

Hypocrite...
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Post by: d4rkst4r on Sun, 01 August 2010, 16:28:33: The weights are removable.
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Post by: gr1m on Sun, 01 August 2010, 17:28:21: That sniper button does look cool but my most typical solution to the sniping sensitivity issue is to deal with using one sens for all weapons. If you play FPSes at a competitive level you're going to be using a very low sens anyway (on a huge cloth mousepad for maximum precision) so people should learn how to use assault rifles and whatnot with a low sens (it'll help you get better).
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 01 August 2010, 17:38:49: Yeah, one of the criticisms I've seen of it is that it's quite heavy from the outset, and you really don't need to add in the additional weights at all.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: d4rkst4r on Mon, 02 August 2010, 01:42:14: I'll see if I can pick up a decent scale this week and compare the weight to some other mice. I didn't even notice the weightiness being cumbersome. The Razer is much lighter. That said, the higher sensitivity adjustment allows for moving the mouse cursor all the way across a dual screen setup without having to pick up the mouse.
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: Lanx on Mon, 02 August 2010, 07:21:05: death adder is 107 g and the rat w/o any weights is 154
Title: Mad Catz Super Mouse
Post by: hyperlinked on Sat, 14 August 2010, 17:17:16: Fry's Electronics out here in California has these and I got my hands on one today while I was there to pick up other stuff. I didn't have a surface to use one so I couldn't really gauge how heavy it actually was, but it didn't feel all that heavy to me. I'm sure it IS heavy as everyone's commenting, but it just wasn't so heavy that when I took it out I was thinking "damn this is one fat rodent!"

Anyway, I couldn't figure out how to work all the adjustments. This thing would definitely take some getting used to. It's a strange tactile experience because when you're holding it, you're holding rubberized surface in one area, touching plastic buttons with your thumb, and brushing against metal in another spot. The most distinctive quality of it in the couple of minutes I was messing with it was how crisp the buttons were. These did not feel like any normal mouse buttons that I've tried.

I'd love to try one of these in action, but just from messing around at the store I'd say I'm on the fence about it. It is just an all around odd tactile experience to say nothing about how it might perform.