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Title: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Sun, 14 August 2016, 04:24:31
Hi,
Just had fun designing this layout for an imaginary keyboard...
Can you guess what I was aiming for ?
Answer with spoilers to give your friends a chance !

KLE link (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23e0c5bd&t=%237a7a7a%0A%23000000%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%23000000&fa@:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B&w2:0.5&h2:2%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Escape-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Tab-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23bdd4e0&f:4&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=(%0A%3F%0A%7B%0A%5B&_c=%23cccccc%3B&=%0A%0A%0Af%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ae&=%0A%0A%0Ah%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Am&_c=%23dee0bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=4%0A2%0A8%0A6&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Az%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0As&=%0A%0A%0Aq%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ao&_c=%23bdd4e0&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=)%0A!%0A%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23e0c5bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B&w2:0.5&h2:2&x2:0.5%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='mss%20mss-Warning-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Return-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%3B&@_x:0.5&c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Ad%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0At&_fa@:0&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%60%0A%2F@%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aa&=%0A%0A%0Ac%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0An&_c=%23dee0bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=9%0A0%0A%2F%2F%0A*&=3%0A1%0A7%0A5&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Ar%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Al&_fa@:0&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%5C%0A%7C%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ai&=%0A%0A%0Ab%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ap%3B&@=%0A%0A%0Ax%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aw&=%0A%0A%0Ag%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ak&_c=%23bdd4e0&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%22%0A%2F:%0A%5E%0A%3C&_f:4&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&='%0A%2F%3B%0A%23%0A%3E&=%2F=%0A,%0A$%0A+&=%2F&%0A.%0A%25%0A-&_c=%23e0c5bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Page-Up-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Up'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Av%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Au&=%0A%0A%0Ay%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aj%3B&@_c=%23c0e0bd&t=%23000000&a:7&f:3&fa@:7%3B%3B&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Up-Circle-Filled'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Right-Circle-Filled'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Symbol-Keyboard'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23bdd4e0&t=%237a7a7a%0A%23000000%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%23000000&a:4&w:2%3B&=%0A%0A~%0A%2F_&_c=%23e0c5bd&fa@:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Line-Start'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Left'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Page-Down-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Down'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Line-End'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Right'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23e0bdc6&f:8&fa@:7&:0&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-DeleteRight-Big'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='mss%20mss-Unicode-BackSpace-DeleteLeft-Big-2'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E)
(http://i.imgur.com/8bEC5m5.png)

So I'm going to put a few hints bellow in spoilers so people can google a bit if they are interested.
#1
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Its for a constructed language I didn't make
#2
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It was inspired by the papua new ginea pigdin
#3
More
Only the letters in black are used by this conlang, the others are for Qwerty's sake
#4
More
It's considered one of the smallest usable conlangs


Answer and design process :
More
So the answer is toki pona (wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona), lessons (http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona/english/lessons.php)).
It's a constructed language that aims to be minimalistic (120 words).

It only uses lower case:
- consonants: k, l, m, n, p, s, t, w and j (pronounced y-)
- vowels: a, e, i, o, u pronounced as in spanish/italian
- a few punctuation marks

My goal here was to make a keyboard with all it needs on the main layer,
and whats is missing for qwerty on other layers.

I made a frequency analysis of a translated text (Song of songs (http://failbluedot.com/toki_pona/song_of_songs)) to place the characters.
But I'm new to that, so the results aren't perfect...
That's all folks!
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 14 August 2016, 04:46:59
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It's for use with just a left hand and the firmware is a nightmare, but there's surely more to it...
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 14 August 2016, 05:16:50
por...  nope can't spell pr0nhub so it's not that... /hahahhahahaa
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: kekman on Sun, 14 August 2016, 07:10:25
Hi,
Just had fun designing this layout for an imaginary keyboard...
Can you guess what I was aiming for ?
Answer with spoilers to give your friends a chance !

KLE link (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/##@@_c=%23e0c5bd&t=%237a7a7a%0A%23000000%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%23000000&fa@:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B&w2:0.5&h2:2%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Escape-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Tab-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23bdd4e0&f:4&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=(%0A%3F%0A%7B%0A%5B&_c=%23cccccc%3B&=%0A%0A%0Af%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ae&=%0A%0A%0Ah%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Am&_c=%23dee0bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=4%0A2%0A8%0A6&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Az%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0As&=%0A%0A%0Aq%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ao&_c=%23bdd4e0&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=)%0A!%0A%7D%0A%5D&_c=%23e0c5bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B&w2:0.5&h2:2&x2:0.5%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='mss%20mss-Warning-1'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Return-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%3B&@_x:0.5&c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Ad%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0At&_fa@:0&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%60%0A%2F@%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aa&=%0A%0A%0Ac%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0An&_c=%23dee0bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=9%0A0%0A%2F%2F%0A*&=3%0A1%0A7%0A5&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Ar%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Al&_fa@:0&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%5C%0A%7C%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ai&=%0A%0A%0Ab%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ap%3B&@=%0A%0A%0Ax%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aw&=%0A%0A%0Ag%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Ak&_c=%23bdd4e0&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%22%0A%2F:%0A%5E%0A%3C&_f:4&fa@:3&:7&:3&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&='%0A%2F%3B%0A%23%0A%3E&=%2F=%0A,%0A$%0A+&=%2F&%0A.%0A%25%0A-&_c=%23e0c5bd&f:3&fa@:0&:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Page-Up-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Up'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23cccccc&f:4&fa@:0&:7&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0Av%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Au&=%0A%0A%0Ay%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0Aj%3B&@_c=%23c0e0bd&t=%23000000&a:7&f:3&fa@:7%3B%3B&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Up-Circle-Filled'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Right-Circle-Filled'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Symbol-Keyboard'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23bdd4e0&t=%237a7a7a%0A%23000000%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%23000000&a:4&w:2%3B&=%0A%0A~%0A%2F_&_c=%23e0c5bd&fa@:7&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Line-Start'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Left'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-Page-Down-3'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Down'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Line-End'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Arrows-Right'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E&_c=%23e0bdc6&f:8&fa@:7&:0&:0&:3&:0&:0&:0&:0&:0&:7&:0%3B%3B&=%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='kb%20kb-Unicode-DeleteRight-Big'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%0A%3Ci%20class%2F='mss%20mss-Unicode-BackSpace-DeleteLeft-Big-2'%3E%3C%2F%2Fi%3E)
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/8bEC5m5.png)


to **** with our brains probably

Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Sun, 14 August 2016, 07:42:39
So I'm going to put a few hints bellow in spoilers so people can google a bit if they are interested.

#1
More
Its for a constructed language I didn't make
#2
More
It was inspired by the papua new ginea pigdin
#3
More
Only the letters in black are used by this conlang, the others are for Qwerty's sake
#4
More
It's considered one of the smallest usable conlangs

Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Sun, 14 August 2016, 07:57:50
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It's for use with just a left hand and the firmware is a nightmare, but there's surely more to it...
Nope its a two hander and its imaginary, so no firmware problem  ;)

por...  nope can't spell pr0nhub so it's not that... /hahahhahahaa
I'm sure there is a space left for a macro, if you really want it ! ;D

to **** with our brains probably
No, that is an unforseen bonus, thanks for loosing a few neurones  :p
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: chyros on Sun, 14 August 2016, 09:58:40
Is it a Welsh keyboard? 8)
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 14 August 2016, 15:24:27
There are some weird non-standard symbols here...
Left and right arrow in the top/left corner. What does it mean? "Swap"? Swap what?
On the arrow keys in another layer, Up and Down produce Page Up and Page Down, but Right and Left produce Tab and Back-Tab respectively.

;)
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Mon, 15 August 2016, 00:46:31
There are some weird non-standard symbols here...
Left and right arrow in the top/left corner. What does it mean? "Swap"? Swap what?
On the arrow keys in another layer, Up and Down produce Page Up and Page Down, but Right and Left produce Tab and Back-Tab respectively.

;)

I'm not an expert in 'standard' symbols.
When you make a layout http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com), if you open :
Character Picker > Keyboard-Layout-Editor Icons, you get a nice list of standard-ish icons.
Some don't look that standard to me or you but they are the best I found in the list.

The Left/right arrow in the top left is one of the tab symbols, though there is another one the is better.
The things you thought were Tab and back-tab are respectively Line-End and Line-Start...

I agree this isn't always straight forward...
But sometimes I like to have no text, only symbols.

PS : In case its not clear there are four layers 0, 1, 2 and 3. The 0 layer is by default for instance '?' on the top left blue key.
The bottom left arrow shifts to layer 1 giving '(', the second arrow right shifts to layer 2 '[', and both together to layer 3 '{'.
For the 'e' key we get 'e', 'E', 'f', 'F'.

The green keyboard key is for commands (remapping Ctrl-Alt-Win and Fn standard actions - but not Alt + digits).
Ctrl-Alt-Del is remapped to Alt Gr-Enter

The warning triangle in the top right corner is for , because there is no way to have that on this keyboard, its
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: C5Allroad on Tue, 16 August 2016, 00:17:10
por...  nope can't spell pr0nhub so it's not that... /hahahhahahaa
Not with that attitude you can't.
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Tue, 16 August 2016, 00:54:15
Answer and design process :

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So the answer is toki pona (wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona), lessons (http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona/english/lessons.php)).
It's a constructed language that aims to be minimalistic (120 words).

It only uses lower case:
- consonants: k, l, m, n, p, s, t, w and j (pronounced y-)
- vowels: a, e, i, o, u pronounced as in spanish/italian
- a few punctuation marks


My goal here was to make a keyboard with all it needs on the main layer,
and whats is missing for qwerty on other layers.


I made a frequency analysis of a translated text (Song of songs (http://failbluedot.com/toki_pona/song_of_songs)) to place the characters.
But I'm new to that, so the results aren't perfect...
That's all folks!


Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 16 August 2016, 02:25:40
Answer and design process :

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So the answer is toki pona (wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona), lessons (http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona/english/lessons.php)).
It's a constructed language that aims to be minimalistic (120 words).

It only uses lower case:
- consonants: k, l, m, n, p, s, t, w and j (pronounced y-)
- vowels: a, e, i, o, u pronounced as in spanish/italian
- a few punctuation marks


My goal here was to make a keyboard with all it needs on the main layer,
and whats is missing for qwerty on other layers.


I made a frequency analysis of a translated text (Song of songs (http://failbluedot.com/toki_pona/song_of_songs)) to place the characters.
But I'm new to that, so the results aren't perfect...
That's all folks!

Interesting! I like conlangs, but this one is new to me. Thanks for sharing, and a really interesting design.
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Tue, 16 August 2016, 06:25:06
Interesting! I like conlangs, but this one is new to me. Thanks for sharing, and a really interesting design.

You are welcome!
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: chyros on Tue, 16 August 2016, 09:50:27
Answer and design process :

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So the answer is toki pona (wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona), lessons (http://rowa.giso.de/languages/toki-pona/english/lessons.php)).
It's a constructed language that aims to be minimalistic (120 words).

It only uses lower case:
- consonants: k, l, m, n, p, s, t, w and j (pronounced y-)
- vowels: a, e, i, o, u pronounced as in spanish/italian
- a few punctuation marks


My goal here was to make a keyboard with all it needs on the main layer,
and whats is missing for qwerty on other layers.


I made a frequency analysis of a translated text (Song of songs (http://failbluedot.com/toki_pona/song_of_songs)) to place the characters.
But I'm new to that, so the results aren't perfect...
That's all folks!
I wasn't too far off with Welsh then (http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/Chyrosran/8I%20smileys/I8_zpsmkdo4cj9.gif) .
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Tue, 16 August 2016, 11:58:59
I wasn't too far off with Welsh then
Show Image
(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/Chyrosran/8I%20smileys/I8_zpsmkdo4cj9.gif)
.

I hope Gwen Cooper is going to swing by and teach you some respect.  :D
That's not a way to treat a constituant country of your 'united' kingdom sir !  :p
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: chyros on Tue, 16 August 2016, 12:33:30
I wasn't too far off with Welsh then
Show Image
(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/Chyrosran/8I%20smileys/I8_zpsmkdo4cj9.gif)
.

I hope Gwen Cooper is going to swing by and teach you some respect.  :D
That's not a way to treat a constituant country of your 'united' kingdom sir !  :p
I'll let the Welsh speak for themselves  :p :

(http://r.ddmcdn.com/s_f/o_1/DSC/uploads/2015/09/longname-banner.jpg)
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 16 August 2016, 12:34:51
"Only the letters in black are used by this conlang, the others are for Qwerty's sake"

Good luck typing Welsh without y and d, Chyros :))
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Tue, 16 August 2016, 14:41:28
"Only the letters in black are used by this conlang, the others are for Qwerty's sake"

Good luck typing Welsh without y and d, Chyros :))

Nor G, R, F, C, H, B !
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: chyros on Tue, 16 August 2016, 18:33:13
Yeah yeah yeah, I was just poking fun, guys :p .

Besides, Wales are possibly the only ones to stick with England if they Brexit anyway :p .
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 16 August 2016, 20:10:10
I knew he were up to no good..  / Confirmed...

Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: ander on Sat, 20 August 2016, 03:28:08
As this is keyboard-related, it's not really off topic, is it? Does that mean it's off off topic? If so, don't the two "offs" cancel each other out, leaving just "topic"? Obvious it's a topic—so, okay then, what's the problem? Beats me.
Title: Re: Guess what this keyboard was designed for !
Post by: decker on Sat, 20 August 2016, 04:59:01
I never know what is the right section for my threads...
As long as people click on Unread to navigate, it isn't very important I guess anyway...