Post by: VimLover on Sat, 17 September 2016, 17:11:05
- It has two ancient, low powered, USB 2.0 ports
- It would be much better with a USB-C connector
I had the opportunity to code on one at a coworkers desk, I love the switches and the quality of the keyboard itself, but these two flaws are keeping me on the fence.
Am I being too nitpicky? Should I wait for a HHKB 3? Should I just pull the trigger and ignore my gripes?
Also, are there other keyboards I should consider before the HHKB 3? I am using an IBM model M at work and a WASD with clears at home, but I would love something much smaller to replace the IBM.
Post by: xondat on Sat, 17 September 2016, 17:12:19
IMO you're being nitpicky. Just get the damn board - It'll be your favorite.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 17 September 2016, 17:13:14
I wouldn't wait on a HHKB 3 anymore than I'd wait on half life 3.
Post by: 1391406 on Sat, 17 September 2016, 19:33:10
Post by: Tactile on Sat, 17 September 2016, 19:50:56
* - but I bet you'd be OCD about the two empty holes in the back :p
Post by: klennkellon on Sat, 17 September 2016, 21:05:41
Post by: VimLover on Sat, 17 September 2016, 21:29:04
The one I'm typing on right now has a Hasu controller, so no USB ports at all*. And when I'm using my keyboard -any keyboard- the type of connector is not really a factor.
* - but I bet you'd be OCD about the two empty holes in the back :p
Oh yeah that would kill me.
If I was designing the HHKB 3 I would put 3 USB-C ports, one on the far left, one on the far right, and one in the middle, and then do some magic such that you can use any of them as a connector, and the ones not used as a connector can be used for periphs.
Post by: Moistgun on Sat, 17 September 2016, 21:32:16
Maybe you can use one of those plugs on the side, and plug it into the keyboard to charge the 90 day lithium powered BluetoothThe one I'm typing on right now has a Hasu controller, so no USB ports at all*. And when I'm using my keyboard -any keyboard- the type of connector is not really a factor.
* - but I bet you'd be OCD about the two empty holes in the back
Oh yeah that would kill me.
If I was designing the HHKB 3 I would put 3 USB-C ports, one on the far left, one on the far right, and one in the middle, and then do some magic such that you can use any of them as a connector, and the ones not used as a connector can be used for periphs.
Post by: Wingpad on Sat, 17 September 2016, 21:36:12
If I was designing the HHKB 3 I would put 3 USB-C ports, one on the far left, one on the far right, and one in the middle, and then do some magic such that you can use any of them as a connector, and the ones not used as a connector can be used for periphs.I would need a computer with a USB-C port first but why settle for USB-C when you could have TB3 since it is port-compatible with USB-C. Then, you could daisy chain a GPU off of your keyboard which would be hilarious :p
You could probably have some additional magic to make TB3 step-down to a USB-C if you plugged it into a device without TB3, I think that's a thing but I am not certain.
Post by: y11971alex on Sat, 17 September 2016, 22:06:42
Post by: Moistgun on Sat, 17 September 2016, 22:58:18
I still haven't bought a single Topre keyboard yet.
In 2016, the HHKB Professional 2 is a no brainier when it comes to quality topre input devices.
Post by: y11971alex on Sat, 17 September 2016, 23:19:24
Convince me. :DI still haven't bought a single Topre keyboard yet.
In 2016, the HHKB Professional 2 is a no brainier when it comes to quality topre input devices.
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 18 September 2016, 01:37:11
That would solve one of your two issues.
You didn't mention anything about a hump, did you? :)
Post by: ndakota79 on Sun, 18 September 2016, 04:45:58
Post by: Belfong on Sun, 18 September 2016, 07:05:20
HHKB BT is ugly.Beauty is to the eye of the beholder and OP didn't point out the hump as a negative.
Post by: silaz on Sun, 18 September 2016, 19:02:38
Post by: Moistgun on Sun, 18 September 2016, 20:15:00
There are drawbacks to the HHKB 2, but the flaws you listed are not usually among the most common listed. Usually folks have a hard time with the layout. I'd say take a look at the Leopold FC660C as well.
I dont think it is common for someone to try the hhkb layout for a reasonable amount of time, and still have trouble with the layout.
usually people don't give it enough time, and moan about the layout.
People have huge capabilities to adapt, and getting used to a layout on a kb is nothing, if you give it enough time.
IMO its about 1-2 weeks on a keyboard.
Post by: silaz on Sun, 18 September 2016, 20:20:08
There are drawbacks to the HHKB 2, but the flaws you listed are not usually among the most common listed. Usually folks have a hard time with the layout. I'd say take a look at the Leopold FC660C as well.
I dont think it is common for someone to try the hhkb layout for a reasonable amount of time, and still have trouble with the layout.
usually people don't give it enough time, and moan about the layout.
People have huge capabilities to adapt, and getting used to a layout on a kb is nothing, if you give it enough time.
IMO its about 1-2 weeks on a keyboard.
I guess it all depends on perspective. Yes, people can adapt but it can be a hassle to switch between two completely different keyboard layouts if you have an HHKB 2 at work and a normal layout at home for gaming. My "source" was reddit users on /mechanicalkeyboards, but like everything else in this hobby it is subjective. :) I simply just listed what I felt was the most common criticism of the HHKB2 instead of USB 2.0 ports.
Post by: Moistgun on Sun, 18 September 2016, 20:21:14
There are drawbacks to the HHKB 2, but the flaws you listed are not usually among the most common listed. Usually folks have a hard time with the layout. I'd say take a look at the Leopold FC660C as well.
I dont think it is common for someone to try the hhkb layout for a reasonable amount of time, and still have trouble with the layout.
usually people don't give it enough time, and moan about the layout.
People have huge capabilities to adapt, and getting used to a layout on a kb is nothing, if you give it enough time.
IMO its about 1-2 weeks on a keyboard.
I guess it all depends on perspective. Yes, people can adapt but it can be a hassle to switch between two completely different keyboard layouts if you have an HHKB 2 at work and a normal layout at home for gaming. My "source" was reddit users on /mechanicalkeyboards, but like everything else in this hobby it is subjective. :) I simply just listed what I felt was the most common criticism of the HHKB2 instead of USB 2.0 ports.
Oh yeah, totally fair point.
Post by: steveachu on Sun, 18 September 2016, 21:50:31
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 18 September 2016, 22:32:58
usually people don't give it enough time, and moan about the layout.
People have huge capabilities to adapt, and getting used to a layout on a kb is nothing, if you give it enough time.
IMO its about 1-2 weeks on a keyboard.
I agree, it took me about a week and I tend to adapt pretty fast - after that, there's no going back. Only reason I even use boards with regular switches nowadays is due to keyset compatibility and because I don't own a second HHKB for the office yet.
Post by: 9fiftyfive on Mon, 19 September 2016, 10:58:22
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Post by: WarCommand on Mon, 19 September 2016, 11:11:12
Post by: tribade on Mon, 19 September 2016, 11:35:12
Post by: TopreFan333 on Mon, 19 September 2016, 12:17:05
I'd like to be using this same HHKB in 10 years if possible.
Quote
It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces.
-Eiiti Wada
https://www.keychatter.com/2015/07/31/the-saddle-of-the-horse-community-interview-with-professor-eiiti-wada-creator-of-the-hhkb/ (https://www.keychatter.com/2015/07/31/the-saddle-of-the-horse-community-interview-with-professor-eiiti-wada-creator-of-the-hhkb/)
Post by: exime on Mon, 19 September 2016, 12:35:21
Post by: Moistgun on Mon, 19 September 2016, 12:39:12
You know why they call the HHKB 2 a no brainer? Because you'd have to be missing a brain to buy a keyboard missing half of the keys. :p :D :llama:
:blank:
Post by: WarCommand on Mon, 19 September 2016, 12:42:31
You know why they call the HHKB 2 a no brainer? Because you'd have to be missing a brain to buy a keyboard missing half of the keys. :p :D :llama:Dang
Post by: typo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 00:04:24
Post by: WarCommand on Wed, 21 September 2016, 06:33:01
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 21 September 2016, 06:36:22
In what country does this board cost $260? They're ~$185 USD new in Japan, and $220 in USA, save for buying a used one for $180 or so.
$300CAD in Canada brand new. I got mine used for $180USD which is about $240CAD. I find older HHKB's are better because the rubber is a bit stiffer :)
Post by: WarCommand on Wed, 21 September 2016, 06:45:32
300?! That's wild.In what country does this board cost $260? They're ~$185 USD new in Japan, and $220 in USA, save for buying a used one for $180 or so.
$300CAD in Canada brand new. I got mine used for $180USD which is about $240CAD. I find older HHKB's are better because the rubber is a bit stiffer :)
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 06:47:53
I have two gripes with this 260 dollar keyboard
- It has two ancient, low powered, USB 2.0 ports
- It would be much better with a USB-C connector
I had the opportunity to code on one at a coworkers desk, I love the switches and the quality of the keyboard itself, but these two flaws are keeping me on the fence.
Am I being too nitpicky? Should I wait for a HHKB 3? Should I just pull the trigger and ignore my gripes?
Also, are there other keyboards I should consider before the HHKB 3? I am using an IBM model M at work and a WASD with clears at home, but I would love something much smaller to replace the IBM.
Buy it. HHKB is always a no brainer.
Post by: Fictiouz on Wed, 21 September 2016, 06:50:34
300?! That's wild.Our dollar is also only worth about 75% of what yours is. So think of how expensive this hobby is for Canadians every time you see us by Customs or second-hand artisans and the pricing is in USD. Yay currency exchange rates. :'(
For example: mech27 is $320USD shipped which is about $420CAD.
Post by: VimLover on Wed, 21 September 2016, 14:52:17
Maybe I will mod the USB ports and turn them into Pez dispensers. :p
Post by: typo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 14:54:22
Post by: keyladding on Wed, 21 September 2016, 19:09:47
Post by: KetchyKech on Wed, 21 September 2016, 19:20:43
When is the HHKB 3 coming out?
holding out for HHKB BT in white ova here :'(
Post by: WarCommand on Thu, 22 September 2016, 07:32:49
Buying goods in CA, not made in CA is harsh. I kind of think I have seen this board new in the US for $195 but don't remember where. Maybe not authorized. Why is less keys more money than some RealForce?Why are some brands of cars more expensive than others with equal specs?
Post by: Moistgun on Thu, 22 September 2016, 11:18:03
Buying goods in CA, not made in CA is harsh. I kind of think I have seen this board new in the US for $195 but don't remember where. Maybe not authorized. Why is less keys more money than some RealForce?Why are some brands of cars more expensive than others with equal specs?
Sheep skinned seat covers.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 22 September 2016, 12:54:49
Why is less keys more money than some RealForce?
I think RF keyboards are ugly. They're also too big, I have no use for half their keys, I rather pay more per key for a smaller form factor, prettier aesthetics and better ergonomics than spending basically the same amount (in Europe) on something I don't need.
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 22 September 2016, 12:58:56
Post by: clankgy1 on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:16:56
You know why they call the HHKB 2 a no brainer? Because you'd have to be missing a brain to buy a keyboard missing half of the keys. :p :D :llama:
:blank:
http://xahlee.info/kbd/idiocy_of_happy_hacking_keyboard.html
Post by: kekman on Sat, 24 September 2016, 07:26:33
Why not the HHKB Bluetooth and instead of connecting via BT, use the cable?
That would solve one of your two issues.
You didn't mention anything about a hump, did you? :)
isnt the cable only for power, not for keypress transmission?
i might be entirely wrong tho
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 24 September 2016, 13:31:21
Post by: kekstee on Sat, 24 September 2016, 13:36:31
And the HHKB ones are good enough to add a mouse without occupying another one of my precious laptop ports, if I ever use it in that combination.
Post by: zslane on Sat, 01 October 2016, 14:35:13
Never mind, I just realized that the bizarre layout of the HHKB2 makes such a swap impossible.
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 02 October 2016, 04:27:03
Post by: Macsmasher on Tue, 04 October 2016, 07:27:25
Buying goods in CA, not made in CA is harsh. I kind of think I have seen this board new in the US for $195 but don't remember where. Maybe not authorized. Why is less keys more money than some RealForce?Why are some brands of cars more expensive than others with equal specs?
Sheep skinned seat covers.
Spinners. Factory spinners.
Post by: Data on Tue, 04 October 2016, 08:13:48
#unpopularopinions
Post by: WarCommand on Sat, 13 May 2017, 16:27:23
My brain hurts reading this.You know why they call the HHKB 2 a no brainer? Because you'd have to be missing a brain to buy a keyboard missing half of the keys. :p :D :llama:
:blank:
http://xahlee.info/kbd/idiocy_of_happy_hacking_keyboard.html
Post by: clankgy1 on Sat, 13 May 2017, 20:52:21
My brain hurts reading this.You know why they call the HHKB 2 a no brainer? Because you'd have to be missing a brain to buy a keyboard missing half of the keys. :p :D :llama:
:blank:
http://xahlee.info/kbd/idiocy_of_happy_hacking_keyboard.html
The review made me laugh. I'm guessing the only reason the reviewer would never own a Ferrari is that they get *horrible* gas mileage.
Post by: dante on Sat, 13 May 2017, 21:13:23
My brain hurts reading this.
This was the best part of the page:
(https://i.imgur.com/PD66CJj.jpg)