If I had compelling evidence that a user on geekhack is scamming people on mechmarket using alt accounts, am I allowed to post it or call him out on it?
I feel as though standing by is the wrong thing to do, but is there any sop when accusing another user of being a scammer and presenting evidence? Should I notify a moderator or just let the community decide on its own?
Sorry if this seems stupid, I just want to know the best way to go about this.
Looks like a TGR A17 with...cyrillic keycaps. Now, we can't just damn a man for having the exact same keyboard as another person...can we? Wait...hold on...His cached comment says vintage MX blacks 55, gold stabilizers, and BSP cyrillic. Hmmmm. Oh ****, that's the same keyboard itzmeluigi is selling! Since he has a bad habit of deleting things, here: http://imgur.com/xR9zE75Doesn't really change anything but those are enjoyPBT not BSP. Different caps from the ones posted on that reddit account.
Say what you will. I saw the mech market post about a scammer, recognized some handwriting and felt obligated to call you out. I'm not friends with any of the mods on mechmarket, in fact I was warned (one infraction from a ban) during that unfortunate interaction with you. I've posted my evidence, people can feel free to think what they wish.
Those are perfectly lovely claims, but you can't prove you don't have a keyboard anymore, so it's not really saying much. You can have plenty of fine interactions here on GH. That's not what I'm accusing you of. You don't **** where you eat. I've no reason to go after you unless otherwise genuinely believing that you are scamming. Our mishap was over three months ago. I'm not targeting you with a group of buddies. That day I thoroughly went over your information and post history because let's remember, you tried to defame me on heatware, reddit, and you claimed you had banned me from your friend's groupbuys on GH. As soon as I saw that time stamp from the recent scammer, something didn't sit right. That handwriting looked very similar. So I did more investigation. More than one thing points in your direction. I would have never accused you if the information available didn't keep pointing towards you.
Let me reiterate, I'm coming after you as an individual. I had a sour interaction with you three months ago and left it at that. But you threatened to scam mechmarket users after your ban. You claimed you weren't shipping anything out after that day that you owed people. You laughed at the mods claiming your alt accounts would be untraceable. This was all just things I thought you were saying in the heat of the moment until I saw that handwriting.
Let me reiterate, I'm coming after you as an individual. I had a sour interaction with you three months ago and left it at that. But you threatened to scam mechmarket users after your ban. You claimed you weren't shipping anything out after that day that you owed people. You laughed at the mods claiming your alt accounts would be untraceable. This was all just things I thought you were saying in the heat of the moment until I saw that handwriting.
You can have plenty of fine interactions here on GH. That's not what I'm accusing you ofI dont use Mechmarket and dont really care about what goes on there anymore. I only am active on GH now days and quite frankly could care less about what you and the gang are up to on Mechmarket
Let me reiterate, I'm coming after you as an individualWell okay thats fine, not sure it has anything to do with GH or MM then. It seems we both already disapprove of each other as individuals so theres not much further discuss on that topic.
Yeah i was aware you got an infraction, and i got banned :))
Yeah your friends with a few mods and livingspeedbump who you had join in the argument.
Yeah you are targeting me with a group of buddies who asked you to make this post who you are good friends with. :rolleyes:
permaban someone for using harsh language in a personal argument
We mechmarket mods usually don't comment on mechmarket stuff outside modmail and reddit comments, but I'm going to make a short exception here.
Since the ban of itzmeluigi after threatening to scam several users of mechmarket (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4lyehq/meta_scammer_uitzmeluigi/) we have encountered several scammers selling items and never sending the items to the buyer.
We don't have any decisive proof that the scammer(s) are itzmeluigi, but we have found several links between the scammer(s) and itzmeluigi that we strongly suspect a connection. These links include, but are not limited to, timestamps, email addresses, showing proof of owning/selling the same boards, keycaps and (non mounted) switches, etc.
Personally, the identity of a scammer is less important than finding the scammers early and avoiding more users to be affected. But I still felt like that we can't be silent about our findings as itzmeluigi is still active here on geekhack and the scammer(s) still keep popping up.
If you want to discuss this or anything else feel free to message to us on reddit (or send me a PM here and I'll forward it to the other mods).
Yeah i was aware you got an infraction, and i got banned :))
That's because I didn't create a mechmarket review subreddit targeted towards defaming you. I also didn't leave bogus feedback on your heatware. I also didn't go around claiming I'd banned you from groupbuys. We can drop the PMs for everyone to see, but I get the feeling your case is going to severely weaken if they do. It won't be dignified, but it'll set the record straight.Yeah your friends with a few mods and livingspeedbump who you had join in the argument.
Yeah you are targeting me with a group of buddies who asked you to make this post who you are good friends with. :rolleyes:
There's something you're actually right about in that. I'm friends with livingspeedbump. Funny thing though, I'd heard he gotten scammed, but didn't really think anything of it till I saw the timestamp. Friends with the mods though? Not at all. You earned your own punishment. There was no group conspiracy to get you banned.permaban someone for using harsh language in a personal argument
Once again, not what you were banned for.
In any case, I've presented what I believe to be evidence that strongly indicates that you are thisisawesome1226. Like I said earlier, everyone is welcome to draw their own conclusions.
itzmeluigi is definitely thisisawesome1226. No way to lie your way out of that one. The name on the PP transactions is exactly the same. Proof is being sent to mods now.
Going through luigi's post history, three things stick out. The love of cyrillic sets, the love of RedScarf's and the deleted imgur pictures.
An innocent person wouldn't delete all their pictures, pretty obvious to everyone that it's the same person.
Same state, same boards, same desk, same handwriting, both banned for scamming...Its ikea Linmon and a sharpie, very generic stuff dude.
Another note, on your luigi reddit account, you wanted to buy a 6u stabilize, perhaps that was used in a RS96? :))
Let's just confirm this, itzmeluigi, you're saying you're not thisisawesome1226? :rolleyes:
Yes! geekhack is getting active again!
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I don't understand how you can just lie so much.
I won't post the PP info here in public but I'll send it to anyone that wants proof/to see it if you are buying something from him. I would strongly recommend avoiding that at all costs though.
itzmeluigi used a PP a while back to pay for something to mesteris. the same name was on the PP of the scammer that scammed me (thisisawesome1226). https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/584x50/meta_scammer_uthisisawesome1226/
the "scammer" has multiple PP emails (usually hotmail emails) which has been discussed in the scammer thread on reddit, but the names always match up.
itzmeluigi and thisisawesome1226 are without question the same person.
if you are buying something from him. I would strongly recommend avoiding that at all costs though.
Yes! geekhack is getting active again!
I don't understand how you can just lie so much.
I won't post the PP info here in public but I'll send it to anyone that wants proof/to see it if you are buying something from him. I would strongly recommend avoiding that at all costs though.
itzmeluigi used a PP a while back to pay for something to mesteris. the same name was on the PP of the scammer that scammed me (thisisawesome1226). https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/584x50/meta_scammer_uthisisawesome1226/
the "scammer" has multiple PP emails (usually hotmail emails) which has been discussed in the scammer thread on reddit, but the names always match up.
itzmeluigi and thisisawesome1226 are without question the same person.
I dont understand how "you" can lie so much.
I asked you for more info about that RS96 revision etc, to see if its possibly someone who purchased one of mine or not. If that actually is the case, then anyone can put whatever name they want on the PP. I use a nickname for my PP name so i highly doubt you or the scammer has my actual information. You and the entire MM crew have a strong disliking for me and its insanely easy for you to edit and tamper with the originals, any proof you could have is not proof at this point.Quoteif you are buying something from him. I would strongly recommend avoiding that at all costs though.
Nonsense, I do business with PP and as long as users dont pay with the gift option with PP its impossible to get scammed. Even if you pay as a gift as long as you paid with a credit card through PP you still have protection, and in most cases if users did pay from their PP balance with the gift option, PP will usually help out and give a refund if you call them, but its always best to avoid paying with gift from a PP balance.. Thats the 100% proper way to use PP. Ive done tons of business here on GH with many happy users.
Yes! geekhack is getting active again!Show Image(http://orig05.deviantart.net/63c2/f/2013/339/d/f/human_s_activity_icon_by_kharisma94-d6wtf2k.jpg)
*scamming intensifies*
/me puts on mod hat(http://rlv.zcache.com/hard_working_moderator_trucker_hat-r943ea48fe7ee498d8fce5095eed41a0e_v9wfy_8byvr_324.jpg)
Just a warning, please keep things civil in this thread.
As a rule GH mods do not take action against GH users for things that happen off site. If there was foul play through GH, let someone on the team know and we will investigate accordingly.
As will all transactions, the buyer and seller must use their own judgement. Sometimes things go wrong with the most respected users.
/me takes off mod hat.
****
/me puts hat back on
Also be sure not to publicly post personal information :thumb:
/me takes off mod hat
Is -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---hes probably just a ****poster
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
Is -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---hes probably just a ****poster
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
but some of his ****posts are kinda funny
No idea. I dpubt that theres a correlation thoughIs -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---hes probably just a ****poster
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
but some of his ****posts are kinda funny
****poster with this much energy ?, but why ?
Is -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---Yeah I was wondering who that was as well. Got like 20 posts in an hour when I checked earlier today. Probably not luigi but their behavior is odd.
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
Is -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---Yeah I was wondering who that was as well. Got like 20 posts in an hour when I checked earlier today. Probably not luigi but their behavior is odd.
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
Is -user- yoshilikesmxbrowns an alt-account of ---itzmeluigi---
It seems really odd that yoshi is digging up old threads everywhere to maybe bury this one.
Not accusing anyone of anything.. we don't even know if itzmeluigi is or is-not a scammer..
But yoshi's behavior is very odd.
No, I meant thisisawesome1226 and itzmeluigi
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I can act like a spammer, but I just post WAY too fast.
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I think spammers are obnoxius
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Wait... so this guy had a quarrel with mm mods, got banned, and then vowed revenge by scamming innocent users that had nothing to do with it? :))
i don't like buying off of here as some people treat it liek a really skethcy keyboard ebay.
Wait... so this guy had a quarrel with mm mods, got banned, and then vowed revenge by scamming innocent users that had nothing to do with it? :))
YUP!
Childish really.
MM mods banned him for trying defraud OP (new artisan collector) who had a special rare one (not sure what). itzmeluigi pmed the guy asking if it was willing to sell, or something like that, at a much lower market price than what OP really had.
He then boasted or joked about on discord, and a nice guy user informed OP of itzmeluigi's intentions. It was escalated to the mods, and he was banned.
Dude then got butthurt and decided to send hatemail to everyone and the mods.
And now this.
Even though he sends paypal invoices and most of the people do get their money back, his actions are wasting the time and resources of everyone.
This is the best example of a very selfish person.
I think the story goes like that, or someone correct me.
He should probably be unbanned, IMO. That was a long time ago now.
I think you got some people mixed up. The user offering to buy an artisan for below market value and boasting about it was Icredigasmic. He never succeeded with the purchase, and the only rule he have broken since is trying to evade his ban with alts.
Wait... so this guy had a quarrel with mm mods, got banned, and then vowed revenge by scamming innocent users that had nothing to do with it? :))
YUP!
Childish really.
MM mods banned him for trying defraud OP (new artisan collector) who had a special rare one (not sure what). itzmeluigi pmed the guy asking if it was willing to sell, or something like that, at a much lower market price than what OP really had.
He then boasted or joked about on discord, and a nice guy user informed OP of itzmeluigi's intentions. It was escalated to the mods, and he was banned.
Dude then got butthurt and decided to send hatemail to everyone and the mods.
And now this.
Even though he sends paypal invoices and most of the people do get their money back, his actions are wasting the time and resources of everyone.
This is the best example of a very selfish person.
I think the story goes like that, or someone correct me.
I think you got some people mixed up. The user offering to buy an artisan for below market value and boasting about it was Icredigasmic. He never succeeded with the purchase, and the only rule he have broken since is trying to evade his ban with alts.
Itzmeluigi harassed another user and then threatened to scam the receivers of his outstanding sales (more details can be found at https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4lyehq/meta_scammer_uitzmeluigi/)
A full statement from the mods of mechmarket about the current situation can be found at https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/58yc63/meta_scammer_uthisisawesome1226_is_uitzmeluigi_be/.
I believe he never sent out a set of green alps to bubblebobbler (a user here/on irc) either.
I believe he never sent out a set of green alps to bubblebobbler (a user here/on irc) either.
can verify, because I'd had good trades with him in the past I saw no issue with paying him via gift payment though so no dispute on my part. I've learned to be a little more untrusting by default nowadays
hilarious that he's trying to defend himself here when he's supposedly sent me green alps TWICE now, after ignoring me until I went public both times, and I'm yet to recieve anything
I believe he never sent out a set of green alps to bubblebobbler (a user here/on irc) either.
can verify, because I'd had good trades with him in the past I saw no issue with paying him via gift payment though so no dispute on my part. I've learned to be a little more untrusting by default nowadays
hilarious that he's trying to defend himself here when he's supposedly sent me green alps TWICE now, after ignoring me until I went public both times, and I'm yet to recieve anything