Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.
Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)
I'd be in for an alpha set if it is made in U9 base color and includes an E-profile \|. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. An U9 base set would be a great set to mix and match with multiple modifiers, even to add some nice touches to classic beige sets, or to add hints for alternate layers.
I'd be in for an alpha set if it is made in U9 base color and includes an E-profile \|. Maybe a variation in the font color would be nice, something in the lines of HF or Carbon. An U9 base set would be a great set to mix and match with multiple modifiers, even to add some nice touches to classic beige sets, or to add hints for alternate layers.
what is an E-profile \|? If it is an R4 \|, it's already included.
Thanks for the suggestion about the color.
As the MOQ is the same, I'd say that a norde 'kit' is not a good idea, but rather a full norde 'set' (ie. a combined ansi + norde 'kit' as in wodan's post, and remove all ansi only keys). I can compose a set of keys which should cover most users.
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.
Considering that one key costs about 0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...
In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.
Your turn :-)
I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.
Considering that one key costs about 0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...
In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.
Your turn :-)
I dont think that the offset of lower price tiers would overweight the 19 unnecessary keys in the ansi base. This can easily be tested by quoting at 300 MOQ as well and if the difference is larger than a 30 key addon we should of course go that route. Also I think that it is easier to sell 150 norde sets at 50 than it is to sell 150 42 ansi sets with 30 norde addon. The ansi set will tip anyway, I'm just saying that 50 is less than 70. Addons have a point if MOQ can vary, or if there is a large extended audience who wish to buy just the addon, which I don't realistically think there is.I think that in this first phase we can only think about adding 5 keys maximum to the base set.I do not understand your comment. I do not propose to add keys to the main kit, rather because the MOQ is no different and with a _separate complete set_ the norde folk would save a lot of money, I propose to run a completely separate complete kit for norde only. This would be in addition of the ansi set you have in the first post.
Considering that one key costs about 0.8, it's impossible to add 20 keys to the base set... this kills the alpha. If only we had 100 buyers from Norway...
In the interest of all, national localization addons should only be designed as separated addon sets.
Your turn :-)
Sorry... I didn't get it... I'm too tired :-) If the main set gets any traction, and we can optimistically think that it can reach the the moq, we can obviously consider any variation from the beaten track. But consider also that there are substantial discounts. So, it's probably cheaper to sell 300 main sets plus a national addon, than selling 150 main sets, plus 150 norde complete sets.
Would love Alphas in RO1.
I have spent some time putting together the non-ANSI keys of some ISO locales. Came up with ~35 keys that would help covering GB, DE and NO/SE/DK quite well while also offering decent coverage for ES/PT/IT locales:You seem to have removed a lot of number row keys completely, while retaining tetritary legends on alphas. I'd go the other way. Spending 70+ on alphas and still having incorrect keys seems counter intuitive when an all inclusive norde set can be had at ~50. Of course uk would not be covered, but it's not really on yours either and they have usually coverage on gmk kits anyway. Pt&es is nice to see though, I should see about adding that support and see how many keys it would take.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/W4Fwd5P.png)
The GREEN keys are my proposals for the "Wodan International Kit" ... that should be <30$
This is the KLE link to my current design:So what you are saying here is that for this alphas only gb, which Giorgio is putting in place, we are more likely to get 150 norde + es + pt buyers at 70 who are willing to get incomplete sets, than it is to get 150 norde buyers at 50 and with complete coverage. I'm confused. As for adding keys to other GMK buys base sets in the future, I agree that switching from UK to some other locales would be a nice thing to see, but even then I would vote for accurate sets one locale at a time, rather than 5 random keys from every locale.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2 (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/6f7830fa68c43c022e3d691bddb1a9a2)
You can see that I market five of the previously green keys yellow since they are candidates for further optimization.
An all-inclusive NORDE kit for 50$ has never happened and is very unlikely to happen unless you have ridiculously popular set like Carbon.
Getting NORDE on board for ~25-30$ might make some keycap set designers consider adding these keys to their GMK base kits.
And the M΅ might even replace the M key in an ANSI set. M΅ FTW!
So something like this. The MOQ is the same as for a norde 'kit' anyway and the total price is lower, likely around 50 (half of the 'sorting' & 'setup' price and 19 keys less than with buying ansi + adapter separately).
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What are you talking about? A 50$ complete NORDE kit lso needs the matching alphas. For what colour scheme could you see a complete NORDE kit happen? Carbon is the only one I can think of and that's in the making.At Giorgio's 0,8 per key estimate, this would be around 52 and does not require matching alphas.
My hope is this could become something that replaces the rudimentary ISO-UK kit included in some GMK base kits and offer much more coverage for the smallest markup possible.
If you follow an all-or-nothing approach here, you will continue to see zero GMK sets with Nordic support. I would love to see complete NORDE/International kits like it's possible with SP MOQ but with GMK MOQ this is illusionary. My goal is to find the golden compromise, if you want to contribute to that you're welcome but if you keep telling me that ALL TEH KEYS is better than almost all the keys that are almost perfectly matching, I got the message and can't do anything about it. If this is your personal standard, I am unable to help you.
At Giorgio's 0,8 per key estimate, this would be around 52 and does not require matching alphas.
I propose to run this in addition to the ansi set in the first post instead of a norde 'addon', as this would be cheaper.
Sorry, I am derailing this thread a little. Will open a new thread for my proposal and hope maybe this "ISO-International essentials kit" is taken into consideration/calculation by the OP.
...a new thread where we can express all our opinions about localization is the best choice, in order to focus on colors and small additions to the base set that I've defined.
What locale is that?FI/SWE, NO and DE are combined in that example.
this could be interesting :)
I think Bluegaloo + This: https://www.originativeco.com/products/magenta-mods might be better targets
Carbon already has awesome alphas
The original TA had light grey alphas.Pretty much like the OG Olivetti.
Do you really thing a SINGLE ISO locale set could hit 150 units?
Can you name enough community members to at least sell 20 of these kits?
A bit of color correction might be needed :)
And here's one of my layouts: http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/29246eecf5d733689a4bbc9ba9a85178
You can use the style + icons
I like this idea. Orange legends would be my least preferred color however.
Any plans on adding the light "\|" R1 1U key for HHKB-layout? That should be the only key required to support the layout right? Most of the modifier-kits come with HHKB-support
I like this idea. Orange legends would be my least preferred color however.
Sorry for that :-|
I'm trying to chose something that goes well with well established sets.
What's your suggestion? thanks
Oh, I forgot to answer, my thought was that the other key often is included in modifier-kits, and thus not needed in this kit? I am uncertain on color, but as many others would suggest something that works well with classic sets.Any plans on adding the light "\|" R1 1U key for HHKB-layout? That should be the only key required to support the layout right? Most of the modifier-kits come with HHKB-support
I think that hhkb would require two keys, not just one. See the keys circled in yellow. If there's demand, we could add it.
What do you think about the colors?
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ANSI Alpha set with extended support for ISO UK, HHKB and some European ANSI variants.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fpXggAa.png)
As a general suggestion/feedback, this IC is a bit hard to follow
Some suggestions:
1) Add a Purpose/Aim: Probably the reason is every GB leaving some people behind, while they can easily satisfy a larger group of people, with alternative packs
2) Update the original post with progress: Even a simple keyboardlayouteditor collection of the current keys would do
Otherwise great work, I'm curious what this IC will evolve into
Did we skip the R1 \| ? This is a deal breaker for me (and probably some others in the 60% camp).
The R1 tilde is part of the Alphas in an ANSI set, it should be included; or, maybe you should change the name of the set that implies people are getting a full alpha set; which, will not be true with no tilde.
Pricing is good; but, the lack of the tilde and a R3 \| may prevent me to join; unless, the set comes in standard beige to pair it with the keys I have on hand, already.
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)
It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)
It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)
It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
Me too... I don't like so much side printing...
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)
It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
Me too... I don't like so much side printing...
Ok, I supose that is a final NO, thank you.
There are people who seriously hate and avoid side prints tho (me) :)
It's like buying a BMW/Mercedes and spray painting stripes on the car
Me too... I don't like so much side printing...
Ok, I supose that is a final NO, thank you.
Sorry ideus, now I see that you've written a very long post that I'll evaluate the moment I turn on my pc.
I'm in talk with a potential group leader, so I'll talk about this with him. No final decision taken :-) ok?
I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,
I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,
Please let me know if you are willing to sell the Dolch Alpha set with side printing.
I also have the original GMK Dolch set, with side prints, and even though I love Dolch, I don't use those alphas,
Please let me know if you are willing to sell the Dolch Alpha set with side printing.
Don't have a paypal, otherwise, I have a lot of things to sell :)
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon
R4 pipe/backslash is a standard key on every ISO-UK sets. It's the one next to the left shift (same place as the <> key on ISO-DE)
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.
Makes sense, I personally don't use F-keys, and even if I did use, I would probably use the ones from other sets I have, to further mix and match things
GMK Retro has some nice all-gray F-keys for example, would've been nice to have them
I personally have 4-5 sets of Dolch F-keys
Assuming this GB is for people with a GMK addiction, I'm guessing F-keys will be in abundance
The R3 \| is actually very common, in my opinion, I don't know what R4 \| is for tho, for me, the R4 \| seems specialised and uncommon
R4 pipe/backslash is a standard key on every ISO-UK sets. It's the one next to the left shift (same place as the <> key on ISO-DE)
I believe F keys should be left out. They are mods after all.
Makes sense, I personally don't use F-keys, and even if I did use, I would probably use the ones from other sets I have, to further mix and match things
GMK Retro has some nice all-gray F-keys for example, would've been nice to have them
I personally have 4-5 sets of Dolch F-keys
Assuming this GB is for people with a GMK addiction, I'm guessing F-keys will be in abundance
F-keys are necessary! This isn't targeted only to 60% keyboards users...
If F keys are staying, then add them all.
If F keys are staying, then add them all.
If a neutral alpha color is selected, like gray, indeed this would make sense, I wouldn't use them, but I'm guessing, an all-gray uniform F-key line would be useful for all kinds of layouts
I was never a fan of the 2-tone F-key thing, it looks good, but sense-wise, it doesn't make much sense
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Another thing, I had the impression Giorgio wanted orange on white keycaps, yet GMK Yuri seems to be an awesome source of orange on white alpha's, are the poll results in?
Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.
Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)
Add an International/NORDE kit and I'm in.
Getting just alphas is a great idea though. I have so many modifier kits just not enough alphas ;)
This.
I need this. Voted for olivetti and soware :thumb:
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.
this was my first idea.... but nobody joined me :-(
This looks great but for the love of God don't waste it on a boring combo like grey on beige. Do something fun like MG1 on AE.
this was my first idea.... but nobody joined me :-(
GMK Watermelon?
I think it could be a disaster, better do white on MG1 + white on AE, if one wants a watermelon set
Tho, I can't even imagine how MG1 on AE would look, would the contrast be low? It's hard to imagine
Is there a final render for the set layout?
The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.Isn't that you?
Is there a final render for the set layout?
The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.
The final render will be posted by the group buy leader very soon.Isn't that you?
I've contacted a trusted geekhack member who will run this gb. Since in the past there have been some proplems of reliability, I decided that a proven group buy leader was the right person to run it.That makes sense. I just wonder how shipping costs will be affected.
We can ask Originative to run it, 2B seems to have performed really well even though the kle render doesn't to it justice
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?
Dumb question: Why it would be 2b if Soware was the winner of the poll?
Given the investment in time and money, the color will be decided by the person who will run the gb. I don't own this set more that the people that have commented on this thread.
In the end there are three top combinations: soware, blue font on grey/white, and white font on grey.
They will exist soon: https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-soware/ (https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-soware/) (Proxied from a China GB)
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.
Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.
Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum
Exactly the keys that I need to pair with some mods that are already on hand. I just hope the pricing is in a good range, not an outrageous one.
Originative pricing is usually a bit high lately, especially post-GB pricing, pre-GB it's still at the high end of the reasonable pricing spectrum
Keeping a low pricing is the only way to make this successful! I will earn nothing from this set, so maybe we will save 1$ for each order :p