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Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 23 January 2010, 09:29:23
Link (http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-Clicky-Terminal-Keyboard-T9235-Model-F-6110668-M3_W0QQitemZ200430484515QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item2eaa967c23)

No pics unfortunately. Features determined by part number.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 24 January 2010, 10:07:27
I've got my eyes on that one. I've always wanted a Model F so I could see how they feel.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: kishy on Sun, 24 January 2010, 10:24:58
Quote from: microsoft windows;153394
I've got my eyes on that one. I've always wanted a Model F so I could see how they feel.


Model M 122-key terminal keyboards are NOT an accurate gauge of how a 101-key Model M feels (though keep in mind that's a 1986/1989 comparison), so it's probably worth noting that a Model F 122-key terminal keyboard might not be an accurate gauge of how an AT Model F feels.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 25 January 2010, 15:39:39
Quote from: kishy;153403
Model M 122-key terminal keyboards are NOT an accurate gauge of how a 101-key Model M feels (though keep in mind that's a 1986/1989 comparison), so it's probably worth noting that a Model F 122-key terminal keyboard might not be an accurate gauge of how an AT Model F feels.


Well, it depends mostly on the wear it's gotten. But it has the same type of switch as an AT so it's got to be at least close. And Model F's also don't have those rivets which are prone to breakage that Model M's have.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 25 January 2010, 15:46:34
Definitely. There's no reason why the terminal keyboards would feel any different aside from age. There is some degree of variance between Model Fs in build quality, but I think the terminal ones are one of the more better built ones.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: microsoft windows on Mon, 25 January 2010, 15:50:40
Quote from: ch_123;153665
Definitely. There's no reason why the terminal keyboards would feel any different aside from age. There is some degree of variance between Model Fs in build quality, but I think the terminal ones are one of the more better built ones.


I also like the layout of the terminal ones better with their full-size back space key. In addition, I can add extra springs and break up the right Shift, both Enter's, and the Backspace without having to remove all those rivets.

It's also much cheaper and has all its keys intact. With a little work, I should have it up and running with a PS/2 connector thanks to Kishy's guide.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 25 January 2010, 17:14:44
I think I had some success getting the "European" key working (i.e. the one between shift and Z). That said, the method I was using to test it may not have worked properly for undefined scan codes. YMMV in regards the other ones.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: vils on Mon, 25 January 2010, 17:41:55
Quote from: ripster;153692
Hmm..... If I open up the Model F AT and 10 years later still list it on Ebay as NIB will I go to Hell?.........


No, but you will have to bite the head of a chicken and spend a night on Haiti with Pat Robertson.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: ak_nala on Mon, 25 January 2010, 19:13:00
Even if they prove to be active on an AT, however, still wouldn't answer whether they are active on the 122-key Model F's.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: microsoft windows on Tue, 26 January 2010, 13:18:14
Quote from: ripster;153685
I thought CH123 said the extra pads in the Model F are dead?  I tried to poke something down a hole but the pads are offset from the key wells.

Which type of Model F does he have experience with? I think the maps on the 122-key and 84-key variants differ.

But, one must remember that the Model M with the 101-key design was derived from the 122-key Model F. That leads me to believe that their maps are similar, if not identical. But, it will take a real specimen to truly tell.
Title: Model F, 122 key, 3179 Terminal
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 26 January 2010, 13:28:13
Quote from: ch_123;153217
No pics unfortunately. Features determined by part number.


Auction has pictures now.