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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: tp4tissue on Tue, 20 December 2016, 13:46:55
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Well that was underwhelming....
Right around christmas.. nothing to buy... (http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/oh-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862514)
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I'm 3-5 generations behind everything else on the market. I'm waiting for a breakthrough. (or my lappy to die...)
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I'm 3-5 generations behind everything else on the market. I'm waiting for a breakthrough. (or my lappy to die...)
I feel like even if there is a break through.
They wouldn't give it to you.. they'd just pace it out over 10 years slowly.
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I got a new laptop about a month ago that has a kaby i5 7200U in it
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The 4790k is still going strong here
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The time to upgrade will be late 2018/early 2019. If you're on a 2500k you're fine until then. Only then when AVX 512 be fully implemented, and software will start using that instruction set to its full potential (leaving behind older generations of processors).
But that's not until Cannonlake. If you upgrade in the mean time, you should only do it to the highest level i5 from two generations ago if you're interested in gaming, or a medium range i7 from a generation ago (skylake) if you're interested in video rendering. That's the most bang for your buck.
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The time to upgrade will be late 2018/early 2019. If you're on a 2500k you're fine until then. Only then when AVX 512 be fully implemented, and software will start using that instruction set to its full potential (leaving behind older generations of processors).
But that's not until Cannonlake. If you upgrade in the mean time, you should only do it to the highest level i5 from two generations ago if you're interested in gaming, or a medium range i7 from a generation ago (skylake) if you're interested in video rendering. That's the most bang for your buck.
avx ? ... think 10 years before it really gets into consumer software.. hahahahhaha..
I don't think that avx really matters to consumer level software, because even if the performance is there.. The raw speed of the CPU with or without avx instruction set is enough to satisfy gaming/productivity.
Avx and more advanced stuff is less impactful in consumer space vs, science/ big data.
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The time to upgrade will be late 2018/early 2019. If you're on a 2500k you're fine until then. Only then when AVX 512 be fully implemented, and software will start using that instruction set to its full potential (leaving behind older generations of processors).
But that's not until Cannonlake. If you upgrade in the mean time, you should only do it to the highest level i5 from two generations ago if you're interested in gaming, or a medium range i7 from a generation ago (skylake) if you're interested in video rendering. That's the most bang for your buck.
avx ? ... think 10 years before it really gets into consumer software.. hahahahhaha..
I don't think that avx really matters to consumer level software, because even if the performance is there.. The raw speed of the CPU with or without avx instruction set is enough to satisfy gaming/productivity.
Avx and more advanced stuff is less impactful in consumer space vs, science/ big data.
Completely agreed ... if consumer software wasn't already moving towards having integrated neural networks. It won't be long before the kind of software that powers google dreaming computer and prisma's filtering app make it over to desktop software. You can bet that Adobe is already pouring ridiculous resources into getting it to work for their blending and masking tools and that Google's next Photos client will be the most advanced people have ever seen.
Blender already uses AVX and soon all those distributed computing networks (@Home et al.) will also be using AVX implementations. I think a majority of people who leave their computers on 24/7 have run at least one of those softwares at some point, and so it stands to reason that even under idle conditions, a majority of desktop owners will appreciate the upgrade. I know this is a completely niche and momentary advantage, but desktops are going to become more specialized than ever. And that new instruction set will be THE place to eke out performance gains as we hit the theoretical limit of die-shrinks. If Cannonlake is on 10nm, then we might only have one die-shrink to go, and best case scenario two, making it THE next platform for computing to evolve from.
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It won't be long before the kind of software that powers google dreaming computer and prisma's filtering app make it over to desktop software.
It already is though. Prisma appears to be based on Neutral Style (https://github.com/jcjohnson/neural-style) with a custom set of reference filter images and style modifications (which also powers Ostagram (http://ostagram.ru/), an arguably more impressive online fork but one which due to being able to use any filter requires more thought).
As for Google's Deep Dreaming that's also possible to run locally. If by desktop software you mean consumer friendly then yeah, there haven't been any easy-to-use front-ends I've seen. Pretty exciting developments.
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As for Google's Deep Dreaming that's also possible to run locally. If by desktop software you mean consumer friendly then yeah, there haven't been any easy-to-use front-ends I've seen. Pretty exciting developments.
Yeah that's more what I meant. Right now as it is, this stuff is just getting off the ground!
Btw thanks, had no idea that Prisma was only an implementation of something pre-existing (or that Ostagram existed).
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Can't wait to get my cybernetics implant..
I think the body runs on something like 40watthr
it's gonna be tough to compete using semiconductors..
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Kaby Lake is just slightly beefed up Skylake. The last couple generations seem focused on battery life improvement and better integrated graphics (which still aren't better than medium-range GPUs, from what I understand). Performance improvements are incremental at this point. For most users, they won't even notice the performance improvements, anyways.
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Kaby Lake is just slightly beefed up Skylake. The last couple generations seem focused on battery life improvement and better integrated graphics (which still aren't better than medium-range GPUs, from what I understand). Performance improvements are incremental at this point. For most users, they won't even notice the performance improvements, anyways.
Zen is going to beat the i5 line on multicore tasks...
That's why they opened the i3 line for k series.
G4m3rs still going to buy intel.. Buh.. the gap is closing..
I think IDEALLY, AMD should just do what it did with the HD4870,
Price it at 50% of the competition.
They might not make money, but they'd create huge momentum in their direction..
And that's important because there's just no confidence in an AMD build right now.
We've had 10 years of Intel's total domination..
For $150 8 core 16 threads... who wouldn't be on board..
The problem right now, if they price it at $300 is, The CPU is only 25-30% of total system cost..
If you're down 10-20 % IPC, there's already no compelling advantage for your product..
But if you're down 10-20% ipc, with a 15% reduction in (TOTAL system price).. That 's the only way to make parity.
That requires AMD to make the concession.. because motherboards don't have the margin of CPUs.. nothing else can be cut..
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Zen? What do you mean by Zen? Sorry if I'm being too newbish here.
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Zen? What do you mean by Zen? Sorry if I'm being too newbish here.
Zen (Now under the name ryzen) is AMD's new line of CPU's.
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Just got myself a 7700K! Pretty excited about this upgrade. My last PC was 10 year old (Core 2 Quad), so there. It's long in the tooth, and now I have a ninja beast!
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Just got myself a 7700K! Pretty excited about this upgrade. My last PC was 10 year old (Core 2 Quad), so there. It's long in the tooth, and now I have a ninja beast!
Delid is going to give you approximately 15 to 20 Celcius Drop.
You can do it with hammer vise method, OR you could diy a delid tool via some wood or 3d printer..
Take dat overclocking to 5GHZ..
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I am not as adventurous tp4. I am happy with just 4.2Ghz on all four cores at this moment. Strangely, my Windows is not able to connect to the Microsoft activation servers, so I am running on an unactivated Windows 10. Sucks!
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The 4790k is still going strong here
Hell to the yeah. :D
I'm extremely pleased with that purchase and don't feel the need to upgrade for now.
Maybe in a couple generations.
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I am not as adventurous tp4. I am happy with just 4.2Ghz on all four cores at this moment. Strangely, my Windows is not able to connect to the Microsoft activation servers, so I am running on an unactivated Windows 10. Sucks!
but, you're leaving performance on the table !!
Need I remind you of my Classic thread.. Overclocking = Time Travel..
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61160.0
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Why is it that when the hdd is spinning in a lot of read/write activity that the system hang for a second or two? I could be clicking here and there but no response and then lots the screen starts flash with lots of activities as if it's catching up on all my clickings.
Sounds like my HDD is being a bottleneck but surely it won't hang the machine.
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Why is it that when the hdd is spinning in a lot of read/write activity that the system hang for a second or two? I could be clicking here and there but no response and then lots the screen starts flash with lots of activities as if it's catching up on all my clickings.
Sounds like my HDD is being a bottleneck but surely it won't hang the machine.
It does hang the machine if the program files need to be loaded from different spots.
HDD only have ~0.3 MB/s random read performance.
SSD have 25-35MB/s random read performance. That's almost 100+ X faster..
You want to upgrade to an SSD as soon as possible, Even if it's a small one like 512 Gigabyte.. That is more than enough for your programs.
You put your video and music on the Old HDD, they are access in a linear manner, which does not require seeking.
The SSD will be your working drive with ALLLLLL Programs , Scratch files , Games.
------- For example, if you're running photoshop, you'd want the SSD to be set as scratch drive..
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TP has it correct, GET AN SSD.
It will like you upgraded that same amount, again, or more, no kidding. It's by far the single biggest upgrade you can make to a computer.
First time people use an SSD they are blown away by the difference, everything is super snappy.
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TP has it correct, GET AN SSD.
It will like you upgraded that same amount, again, or more, no kidding. It's by far the single biggest upgrade you can make to a computer.
First time people use an SSD they are blown away by the difference, everything is super snappy.
First time I used an SSD, I realized that the first half of my life was a complete waste of time..
So experiences will vary upon upgrade.. hahahahahahahhaha
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My C: is a very old SSD. I think a first or second gen Intel 80GB X.25 SSD or something like that. Even then, it struggles to keep up.
I'm guessing it's my other 2 spinning drives that I Store games and media stuff that's dragging the PC down. Is there any optimization I need to do? I check Defrag and they are ok.
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My C: is a very old SSD. I think a first or second gen Intel 80GB X.25 SSD or something like that. Even then, it struggles to keep up.
I'm guessing it's my other 2 spinning drives that I Store games and media stuff that's dragging the PC down. Is there any optimization I need to do? I check Defrag and they are ok.
hahaha
Don't store games on hdd.. Many of the new games hit a ton of random i/o..
the intel 80 is pretty old, I wouldn't call it STRUGGLE, but it's miles behind the newest ssds.
X25m does not support trim, the x25m G2 support trim. which one do you have.. ??
Either way, You'd want to get a newer nvme sandisk pcie ssd..
They're the budget go to..
GET 512gb, because you'll fill up 256 really fast these days with them 60gb games.
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My C: is a very old SSD. I think a first or second gen Intel 80GB X.25 SSD or something like that. Even then, it struggles to keep up.
I'm guessing it's my other 2 spinning drives that I Store games and media stuff that's dragging the PC down. Is there any optimization I need to do? I check Defrag and they are ok.
Your read speeds are half what even low end ssd's are today (barely exceeding sata2), and your write speeds are even worse.
Almost any SSD is better than no ssd, but yours is a bottleneck in your system.
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My C: is a very old SSD. I think a first or second gen Intel 80GB X.25 SSD or something like that. Even then, it struggles to keep up.
I'm guessing it's my other 2 spinning drives that I Store games and media stuff that's dragging the PC down. Is there any optimization I need to do? I check Defrag and they are ok.
Your read speeds are half what even low end ssd's are today (barely exceeding sata2), and your write speeds are even worse.
Almost any SSD is better than no ssd, but yours is a bottleneck in your system.
if it's the G1 that's being used, the non-trim is the problem , it's bogged down __forever__, but if it's the G2, then there shouldn't be any issues with it.
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At work now, no view of the X25 that I have at home.
I figure the SSD and SATA drives are pretty old for the Ninja 7700K that I have running. Will replace them soon. Should I go for PCIe SSD, which cost a BOM, or just a M.2?
Even then, I don't understand why it will freeze Windows for 2-3 second. Don't we have multi tasking or something? Sometimes, just clicking the Start button will freeze. I am not sure what the HDD are doing!
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At work now, no view of the X25 that I have at home.
I figure the SSD and SATA drives are pretty old for the Ninja 7700K that I have running. Will replace them soon. Should I go for PCIe SSD, which cost a BOM, or just a M.2?
Even then, I don't understand why it will freeze Windows for 2-3 second. Don't we have multi tasking or something? Sometimes, just clicking the Start button will freeze. I am not sure what the HDD are doing!
Hrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmm....
What's your entire parts list,
Did you do a fresh format ?
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I have one SSD (x25) and two SATA HDD. I have a puny nVidia GTX 550Ti. I upgraded just the mobo (Asus x270-Prime, Core i7-7700K and 16GB Corsair Vengeance LED).. and no, I did not do a fresh format yet, so there are almost 6 years of legacy OS junk in the HDD :P :P
p.s. reason of not upgrading is that my Win 10 is a free upgrade from Win 8, I don't have the license key.
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I have one SSD (x25) and two SATA HDD. I have a puny nVidia GTX 550Ti. I upgraded just the mobo (Asus x270-Prime, Core i7-7700K and 16GB Corsair Vengeance LED).. and no, I did not do a fresh format yet, so there are almost 6 years of legacy OS junk in the HDD :P :P
p.s. reason of not upgrading is that my Win 10 is a free upgrade from Win 8, I don't have the license key.
I'm pretty sure there is a way to obtain a key and transfer to a new pc..
There's no way around a fresh format.. it must be done.
But, you'd still need a New SSD if it's the x25m g1 ..
The nvme pcie is better
sandisk is the budget one that's reliable..
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noted; will explore and report back.
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Just thinking - I think I have a setting such that my HDD will go slept after 30 min of inactivity. Maybe when I do access the files in the HDD, that it starts to wake up and that cause the hang due to the disk started to spin up. What do you think?
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Just thinking - I think I have a setting such that my HDD will go slept after 30 min of inactivity. Maybe when I do access the files in the HDD, that it starts to wake up and that cause the hang due to the disk started to spin up. What do you think?
If files come off the disk, it will do that..
try turning it off by putting it in high performance mode
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Trim or no trim, that ssd is still pretty slow.
You want M.2, however, M.2 is not as simple as sata, some are NVME, some are not and they are not interchangable usually. You probably have NVME though, which is the better one to have.
And yes, HDD lag is caused by sleep, especially when not the primary drive in the system. I never let my file server drives sleep because it REALLY lags them out over a network.
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My C: is a very old SSD. I think a first or second gen Intel 80GB X.25 SSD or something like that. Even then, it struggles to keep up.
I'm guessing it's my other 2 spinning drives that I Store games and media stuff that's dragging the PC down. Is there any optimization I need to do? I check Defrag and they are ok.
hahaha
Don't store games on hdd.. Many of the new games hit a ton of random i/o..
the intel 80 is pretty old, I wouldn't call it STRUGGLE, but it's miles behind the newest ssds.
X25m does not support trim, the x25m G2 support trim. which one do you have.. ??
Either way, You'd want to get a newer nvme sandisk pcie ssd..
They're the budget go to..
GET 512gb, because you'll fill up 256 really fast these days with them 60gb games.
Device Manager said that it is a INTEL SSDSA2M120G2GC - is that a G2 or not? Regardless, you guys are correct - it is just too old. I need to get a new one asap. But I will still have those spinning drives that might create bottleneck. I just can't get rid of them.
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Device Manager said that it is a INTEL SSDSA2M120G2GC - is that a G2 or not? Regardless, you guys are correct - it is just too old. I need to get a new one asap. But I will still have those spinning drives that might create bottleneck. I just can't get rid of them.
that's a g2
so you have trim..
Which means the problem is definitly either software, or the HDD sleep.
I would still get a new ssd for (Size)
But a newer ssd won't really performance much faster than that one for your day to day.. unless you run virtual machines,
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Ok, so it probably looks like I need to do a clean install and remove the HDD sleep and see how it goes. Thanks @tp4!
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Ok, so it probably looks like I need to do a clean install and remove the HDD sleep and see how it goes. Thanks @tp4!
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****!
The damn SSD just died this morning. It was fine just the day before and I was gaming. I even had a proper shutdown and this morning it plainly refuse to boot. Damn it. What stupid luck.
Looks like I have no choice but to fork out money for a new drive. Here's what available..
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Don't think I can afford NVME but between M2 PCIe and M2 SATA, which is the one to go and what brand? WD?
I don't even know if my Asus Z270-Prime supports M2. Any advise will be appreciated.
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I don't even know if my Asus Z270-Prime supports M2. Any advise will be appreciated.
if you're not getting nvme, then just buy a regular sata ssd.. they're cheaper, the msata is just sata over pcie.
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also, that ssd, it's probably a software error, check the smart values, i doubt it's worn out..
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also, that ssd, it's probably a software error, check the smart values, i doubt it's worn out..
What do you mean? I boot using another HDD and then reformat it? It looks like BIOS can't even detect it.
Now that you mentioned it, I have that Intel SSD doing a scheduled maintenance every Sat and perhaps my shutdown interrupted it. I'm not sure.
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also, that ssd, it's probably a software error, check the smart values, i doubt it's worn out..
What do you mean? I boot using another HDD and then reformat it? It looks like BIOS can't even detect it.
Now that you mentioned it, I have that Intel SSD doing a scheduled maintenance every Sat and perhaps my shutdown interrupted it. I'm not sure.
write corrupt doesn't necessarily mean the drive is worn out.
SSDs are actually prone to corruption during power loss, which is why the enterprise end have $50 capacitors built in, in case of powerloss.
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Do you mean technically I could just boot it, detect it and format the SSD and it will work as new?!
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Do you mean technically I could just boot it, detect it and format the SSD and it will work as new?!
yes. pretty sure it will work fine.
unless something shows up in smart values that says the thing is borked.. unlikely
Next time though, since it's only 120gb, you can full clone that before each shutdown, and you'd never have down time more than 10 minute restores.
Macrium reflect is the easiest clone software and is free.
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How long does it takes to clone? That's an interesting tip and I might just do this. But it also means shutdown will be slow unless it knows how to do incremental cloning.
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macrium can do that.
I keep 30 days of snapshots of my main drive.
As for how long it takes, for a 120gb drive, not very long,
But that doesn't really matter, because it's not like you have to watch it .. hahahaha, just go to bed.
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I just built new PC (Kaby Lake) the other day, and last night my old mini-PC died. Timing!
I had not yet moved anything over, and I was at first afraid that I would not be able to recover anything from the encrypted home directory but it decrypted with the old login password. phew.
Before I chose Intel 7700, I had looked a lot into buying a Ryzen 1600 but it has been so frustrating with the platform not being very stable. Most of all though was the lack of any good mATX motherboard: all AM4 mATX boards had the wrong chipset which limited VRM capacity and some tech journalists/youtubers did not recommend anything bigger than a Ryzen 1500 on those... I already had a Jonsbo mATX case that I wanted to use, because it fits my small desk.
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
is this a fresh format ?
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
is this a fresh format ?
Absolutely, yes!
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I just built new PC (Kaby Lake) the other day, and last night my old mini-PC died. Timing!
I had not yet moved anything over, and I was at first afraid that I would not be able to recover anything from the encrypted home directory but it decrypted with the old login password. phew.
Before I chose Intel 7700, I had looked a lot into buying a Ryzen 1600 but it has been so frustrating with the platform not being very stable. Most of all though was the lack of any good mATX motherboard: all AM4 mATX boards had the wrong chipset which limited VRM capacity and some tech journalists/youtubers did not recommend anything bigger than a Ryzen 1500 on those... I already had a Jonsbo mATX case that I wanted to use, because it fits my small desk.
One of Asus Z270-Prime is a mATX type and it looked absolutely gorgeous. Reviews said that it performs equally well as its ATX brethren. I would highly suggest you take a look at that.
Congrats on your new PC!
One thing I learned is that the upgrade never stops! Sigh .... :-X
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
is this a fresh format ?
Absolutely, yes!
image the drive, then clone onto ur old ssd, see if it works.
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
is this a fresh format ?
Absolutely, yes!
image the drive, then clone onto ur old ssd, see if it works.
My BIOS (and Windows) did not detect the old SSD anymore :-X :(
Sad... I am not sure why .. cannot be due to lack of power is there?*
A friend borrowed me a used Titan and I have to plug a 8 pin and 6 pin power thingy into it. What a beast.
So the SSD couldn't be detected; but the two other HDD can.. maybe it's not power.. Maybe it really died.
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
ALWAYS use the Samsung magician software to view details about your M.2 drive and also to update it with the latest firmware when required.
Samsung gear can get tricky and unreliable, if it's NOT using the latest software releases.
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I went with Samsung Evo 960, which is a NVME... And boy, it's flying!!!!
is this a fresh format ?
Absolutely, yes!
image the drive, then clone onto ur old ssd, see if it works.
My BIOS (and Windows) did not detect the old SSD anymore :-X :(
Sad... I am not sure why .. cannot be due to lack of power is there?*
A friend borrowed me a used Titan and I have to plug a 8 pin and 6 pin power thingy into it. What a beast.
So the SSD couldn't be detected; but the two other HDD can.. maybe it's not power.. Maybe it really died.
it's prettty rare..
i'd be careful of that power supply
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it's prettty rare..
i'd be careful of that power supply
My mobo should have taken care of any surge, shouldn't it?
Btw, thanks for answering all these questions <3
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The motherboard only takes care of surges for itself, and only small amounts.
Sata drives are powered off the power supply directly.
If you don't have a good power supply, that should be your next investment (and soon!). I recommend buying a really nice one that is over-powered for your setup as they can last a very long time. My last 750 (Pc Power and Cooling before they were bought out) is almost 10 years old still going strong. I replaced it when I had a motherboard problem which turned out to be a graphics/motherboard conflict (it didn't like the board using EFI). Still being used in my server.
Awesome on the ssd, I figured it would make a difference, but I didn't expect such a huge one.
By the way, if your power supply was responsible, you might see a low 5v line in your bios and odds are you would be seeing thumbdrives and usb devices failing as well as they all run on the 5v line. A low line cannot be corrected by the board, it can only smooth out spikes, low amperage (which will show up as low voltage when it runs low on amps) can't be compensated for and is actually just as deadly as a spike, it just takes longer to kill the device. Being off by 3-5% is not unusual, more than 10% could indicate a problem, especially if it is fluctuating by that much. If you do now recognize a trend (failed usb devices), or voltage issues, do not wait, replace that psu NOW. Cheap PSUs and power problems are not to be fooled with. I once lost an entire system to a cheap psu, luckily almost all was under warranty and the rest I warrantied through a buddies shop (good to know people) and I had pretty recent backups. It still hurt though and I was still fighting damaged equipment for weeks afterwards. I don't mess with cheap power supplies on anything I value anymore, it's an investment, like I said, the one is nearly 10 years old and still capable of running anything I throw at it, not many computer parts have that longevity.
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Thanks for such an informative write up. I actually went ahead and got myself a voltage regulator today. It wasn't expensive, but yeah, better be safe than sorry. I have invested in quite an expensive rig and I don't want it to fail.
Now, just for discussion sake, you mentioned that the motherboard will only regulate itself. In this case, my SSD is a M.2 which connects directly to the motherboard, did not draw power directly from PSU. That should be good protection right? Which made me more and more convinced that M.2 is the standard to follow in future. So slim, convenient and no cables!
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what do you mean voltage regulator ?
you mean the tiny ic with some caps, or a big ups with power scrubbing
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what do you mean voltage regulator ?
you mean the tiny ic with some caps, or a big ups with power scrubbing
This type
http://www.kossups.com.my/activa.html
Um, we still live in ancient times.
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Thanks for such an informative write up. I actually went ahead and got myself a voltage regulator today. It wasn't expensive, but yeah, better be safe than sorry. I have invested in quite an expensive rig and I don't want it to fail.
Now, just for discussion sake, you mentioned that the motherboard will only regulate itself. In this case, my SSD is a M.2 which connects directly to the motherboard, did not draw power directly from PSU. That should be good protection right? Which made me more and more convinced that M.2 is the standard to follow in future. So slim, convenient and no cables!
Your new SSD will pull data from the board's power regulation, which you can monitor in Bios. However, again, regulators tend to mostly deal in spikes not dips. Once the capacitors drain, the line drops. I can't tell you how many thumbdrives I've lost due to cheap power supplies having garbage 5v regulation. Which is what M.2 and SSD's run off.
Generally, I recommend spending 1/3rd as much on the power supply as you do on the processor (retail prices, not sale prices), however, it's difficult to have too much power supply and spending an extra $10 or $20 now, could save you replacing it next time you upgrade, saving you far more than $10 or $20. I have also had good power supplies shut down and save the system or sacrifice themselves to save the system. It may suck to replace a dead $100 PSU, but it's better than losing your data or the entire system. Regardless, I don't think I have ever heard anyone honestly regret buying too much power supply.
As for M.2 being the future, the only problem with it is limited slots available. Boards are coming with more of them, but it's going to be limited no matter what they do as they take up quite a bit of room. I'm not convinced it will be a lasting standard, not in it's current iteration, they may get tipped on their side like ram slots or something. And I could be wrong. It's still my next upgrade though.
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what do you mean voltage regulator ?
you mean the tiny ic with some caps, or a big ups with power scrubbing
This type
http://www.kossups.com.my/activa.html
Um, we still live in ancient times.
Those are only for really old houses prone to brown outs and surges..
Are you sure you need that ?
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Should I upgrade my computer that is slowly dying or I should wait this new cpu.... still using i5 2400 lol
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what do you mean voltage regulator ?
you mean the tiny ic with some caps, or a big ups with power scrubbing
This type
http://www.kossups.com.my/activa.html
Um, we still live in ancient times.
Those are only for really old houses prone to brown outs and surges..
Are you sure you need that ?
so if you have a brown out..... fo you call a plumber?
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Should I upgrade my computer that is slowly dying or I should wait this new cpu.... still using i5 2400 lol
Your processor isn't really bad, however, what you are lacking is newer features and optimizations. USB 3 built into the chipset, USB C, Thunderbolt, higher IO, NVME drives, etc... It doesn't seem like a lot, but when combined with a fresh install a bit higher clock, especially on a newer SSD, you will see a difference, especially if you switch to NVME SSD.
If you plan on waiting, it will probably be a year or two before any serious change happens from here on out. AMD's mid level is out, and Intel is playing games trying to find a way to seem like they are worth the extra money they plan on asking for the next gen products they have coming (which is kind of a clusterf*ck), so don't expect to get anything much more than the current stuff for the next 2 years for home and gaming systems. AMD hasn't really beaten Intel, but they did catch them sitting on their butts counting their money instead of bringing new stuff to market and it takes time to really bring something new to to the table.
Prices are usually pretty low and stable through summer, around Oct/Nov they go up a bit in anticipation of holiday spending. You get a few sales, but in general the prices stay a bit high through the new year, then you get a post Christmas sale and prices drop close to what they were in fall and stay there until late spring, starting the cycle all over again. This of course ignores new products, but for the most part this is the cycle and summer is the time to upgrade unless you catch a sale.
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Should I upgrade my computer that is slowly dying or I should wait this new cpu.... still using i5 2400 lol
I have been skipping many generations of intel CPU but I feel Kaby Lake is the time for the upgrade. The only thing I'm not prepared for was the lack of GPU availability, mainly because all these bitcoin miners snatched them up off the shelves quicker than the manufacturer can produce them. And due to demand, the prices of GPU increased! It's actually ridiculous!
My friend is selling me his used GTX Titan (2013 model, Kepler GPU).. I am still unsure if that's what I want though.
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Should I upgrade my computer that is slowly dying or I should wait this new cpu.... still using i5 2400 lol
I have been skipping many generations of intel CPU but I feel Kaby Lake is the time for the upgrade. The only thing I'm not prepared for was the lack of GPU availability, mainly because all these bitcoin miners snatched them up off the shelves quicker than the manufacturer can produce them. And due to demand, the prices of GPU increased! It's actually ridiculous!
My friend is selling me his used GTX Titan (2013 model, Kepler GPU).. I am still unsure if that's what I want though.
You'd wait for vega, to see what's up, but overall.... I still wouldn't buy a titan.
For pro apps, you're actually better off getting an AMD line of gaming gpu, because they're less purposely crippled vs the nvidia counterpart..
For gaming, just have to wait for vega..
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The problem with the Titan to me is the 250W power that it is drawing, which is crazy high for less performance vs a GTX 1060. Unfortunately the 1060 is not readily available. I'm not going for the state of the art so Vega is probably not for me in the next 2-3 years.
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The problem with the Titan to me is the 250W power that it is drawing, which is crazy high for less performance vs a GTX 1060. Unfortunately the 1060 is not readily available. I'm not going for the state of the art so Vega is probably not for me in the next 2-3 years.
it shouldn't idle at 250..
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Just wanted to share what happened to my PC upgrade in the past week. I have been testing my friend's Titan but it just can't play GTA V at max setting. It runs fine, at 60 fps but the card temp grew to 85C consistently and then GTA V crashed. Happened a few times. But once I have seen GTA V in 1080p at 60 fps, I can't unsee it and decided to return the Titan back to my friend and proceeded to hunt for GTX 1060.
Hunt is the word because stocks were extremely rare here due to these Ethereum mining craze. And then, one retailer told me that he can get me a 1060 at $350. I was ecstatic but I suspect that it must be the dual fan Asus ROG. Turned out it was the 3 fan but they are not able to sell me the 3 fan overclocked GTX at that price and if I really wanted the card, I will need to fork out additional $. I was already in the shop, I couldn't bear leaving empty handed and shell out the additional money.
Once I reached home, I tried to plug the card into my PC and was shocked that it cannot fit. This card is at least an inch longer compare to the Titan and my old casing was not long enough!! OMG! Either I returned the card and start from square one or I get a new case. I did some research and bought a Fractal Design Define R5. I must tell you how great this case is, really! (*) I fell in love it with! Superb casing and design.. anyhoo, here I am, with almost a COMPLETELY new PC and enjoying GTA V at Ultra setting on 1080p! Niceeeee.....
(*) I think this guy can do a better job at telling you about Define R5. It was this video that made me lust for the case
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why not 1080 ti.. or Vega HYPE.. !! hahahahah
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why not 1080 ti.. or Vega HYPE.. !! hahahahah
I can't afford it.
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I wish that there was a case in SFF that was as good as Fractal Design's cases are internally. I considered getting the "Define Nano S" and cutting it shorter but the motherboard tray being steel and having multiple angles would have made that difficult.
I am now using a mATX motherboard in a Jonsbo U3 which is seven litres smaller than Fractal's "Nano" case for mini-iTX.
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I wish that there was a case in SFF that was as good as Fractal Design's cases are internally. I considered getting the "Define Nano S" and cutting it shorter but the motherboard tray being steel and having multiple angles would have made that difficult.
I am now using a mATX motherboard in a Jonsbo U3 which is seven litres smaller than Fractal's "Nano" case for mini-iTX.
I have thought about getting a smaller case as well. I mean, who needs 5 drive bays these days? Get something compact and save space.
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why not 1080 ti.. or Vega HYPE.. !! hahahahah
I can't afford it.
Ramen Financing.. !!