There are some scissor switches and other rubber domes that I quite like. The one property I want in a keyboard is tactile feedback - to feel when a key is supposed to be registered. By bottoming out a scissor switch, you get that.you might like matias quiet clicks. they are very tactile, the bump is towards the top, and they have shorter key travel because they are quite dampened.
What you ask for isn't impossible but whether it exists, I don't know — Microsoft have produced a high-rollover membrane design (used in their NKRO Sidewinder keyboards)Are you sure these are NKRO? They talk a lot about anti-ghosting but of course that means absolutely nothing. If there is a genuine NKRO membrane keyboard I'm very interested in it - I'm trying to explore this topic deeply.
What you ask for isn't impossible but whether it exists, I don't know — Microsoft have produced a high-rollover membrane design (used in their NKRO Sidewinder keyboards)Are you sure these are NKRO? They talk a lot about anti-ghosting but of course that means absolutely nothing. If there is a genuine NKRO membrane keyboard I'm very interested in it - I'm trying to explore this topic deeply.
There are some full-travel membrane keyboards with NKRO-- Zalman ZM-K600S (rebranded SkyDigital nKey-1), Qsenn GP-K8000 or GP-K8000U, Cougar 500K, etc. Scissor switch versions seem harder to get, though. Still not sure if there's a better way than buying 1000 KB-801n from Digimore (that's the MOQ) and selling the extra 999, which isn't really a practical solution for most people.Thanks; do we know how these work and how they managed to achieve nkro?
There are some full-travel membrane keyboards with NKRO-- Zalman ZM-K600S (rebranded SkyDigital nKey-1), Qsenn GP-K8000 or GP-K8000U, Cougar 500K, etc. Scissor switch versions seem harder to get, though. Still not sure if there's a better way than buying 1000 KB-801n from Digimore (that's the MOQ) and selling the extra 999, which isn't really a practical solution for most people.Thanks; do we know how these work and how they managed to achieve nkro?
Are you sure these are NKRO? They talk a lot about anti-ghosting but of course that means absolutely nothing. If there is a genuine NKRO membrane keyboard I'm very interested in it - I'm trying to explore this topic deeply.The inventor of that keyboard mechanism: Paul Dietz (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3187) was here back in 2011 and talked about the Sidewinder X4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=15318). He no longer works at Microsoft.
There are some full-travel membrane keyboards with NKRO-- Zalman ZM-K600S (rebranded SkyDigital nKey-1), Qsenn GP-K8000 or GP-K8000U, Cougar 500K, etc. Scissor switch versions seem harder to get, though. Still not sure if there's a better way than buying 1000 KB-801n from Digimore (that's the MOQ) and selling the extra 999, which isn't really a practical solution for most people.Thanks; do we know how these work and how they managed to achieve nkro?
I'm only going by marketing materials, but the diagrams Skydigital and Qsenn provide suggest that they're both using a matrix where each key gets its own trace, like so:Show Image(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61aeQDwQpJL.jpg)Show Image(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/1617F9384F648B881B69CC)
I'd assume that the Cougar model is using the same tech as Skydigital, since Cougar has rebranded Skydigital products in the past.
You might also want to check out the two different forms of capacitive sensing used by Fuhlen. The version in their SC950 model appears to be purely dome over membranes (but also capacitive, somehow-- the bad machine translations from Chinese call it an "air capacitance" system), while the version in the FL8000 appears to involve domes over a membrane over a PCB.
I'm not sure what system the Digimore model is using. Unfortunately, there's not much information out there about it, and that's unlikely to change unless it makes it into production.
Yes, each key has a trace to a PCB with diodes on it. On the Razer Ornata it is a narrow wide PCB above the keys and I think I have seen that same design a few years before when it was mentioned that some Asian manufacturer had done it.Thanks for the clarification you both — I was guessing that that was the approach they had taken. With a diode-ridden PCB that seems ridiculously circuitous, though, as does it when everything has its own trace — by that time you wonder how much more expensive it would've been to just go for a full mechanical keyboard Oo .Are you sure these are NKRO? They talk a lot about anti-ghosting but of course that means absolutely nothing. If there is a genuine NKRO membrane keyboard I'm very interested in it - I'm trying to explore this topic deeply.The inventor of that keyboard mechanism: Paul Dietz (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3187) was here back in 2011 and talked about the Sidewinder X4 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=15318). He no longer works at Microsoft.
Wendell from Tek Syndicate/Crit made his Model M NKRO by making a custom membrane out of copper foil. Last time I heard he was working on a guide but this was a long time ago.Off topic: Tek Syndicate split into Crit (Logan) and Level1Techs (Wendell) after a dispute between Logan and Wendell. Wendell was never with Crit. The "Tek Syndicate" Youtube channel became "Crit.tv". The "Tek Syndicate Hardware" channel became "Level1Techs".