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Title: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:24:34: The group buy is running by [attachimg=24] (https://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/senna) & [attachimg=25] (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys_20/)

Hello folks!

The SA SENNA Background:
F1 star - Aryton.Senna brake-testing Formula one racing and the world, even from all over the world to remember, in their career attended 161 grand prix, 41 titles, 65 times/three times, the grand prix championship... Unfortunately, on May 1, 1994, in SAN marino's imola circuit crash killed, only 34.

Theme colors(YY&VCS) comes from senna's yellow-green helmet（Another color is WFK）. I would like to pay tribute to the Ayrton.Senna is the king of F1 forever!

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Child Deals：

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Renders：

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COLOR CHIPS：

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The group buy is running by [attachimg=24] (https://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/senna) & [attachimg=25] (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys_20/)
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: thad on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:28:10: Personally I'm not a fan of the racing theme, but I do like the way the colors look together. I will keep my eye on this.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: sems on Sun, 19 February 2017, 11:00:41: Imagine this on Blue Exent! Such Brasil flag!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: oatmicro on Sun, 19 February 2017, 16:12:03: I'm interested on CORSA AUTO but hey... I'm a bit curious about colors scheme.

because of custom colors, I can't imagine the real colors from here.

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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1674/0405/products/5_1024x1024.jpg?v=1486430982)

This render looks very good, It doesn't looks Dark-Blue like other renders.

It looks kind of Blue-Purple not very Dark-Blue, and I really like it.

But...which render is most accurate of colors scheme? :rolleyes:
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: xondat on Sun, 19 February 2017, 16:58:19: Colors are nice, profile isn't.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 21:17:13: Quote from: oatmicro on Sun, 19 February 2017, 16:12:03
I'm interested on CORSA AUTO but hey... I'm a bit curious about colors scheme.

because of custom colors, I can't imagine the real colors from here.

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This render looks very good, It doesn't looks Dark-Blue like other renders.

It looks kind of Blue-Purple not very Dark-Blue, and I really like it.

But...which render is most accurate of colors scheme? :rolleyes:

I'm glad you like it! The Blue-Purple's real color will be infinitely close to PANTONE 2758 CP (http://www.pantone.com/color-finder/2758-CP). THX
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sun, 19 February 2017, 21:27:50: I love the colors. I love green. I hope this SA Senna becomes a reality b/c I'll be in.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 22:47:07: Quote from: William_S_Jones on Sun, 19 February 2017, 21:27:50
I love the colors. I love green. I hope this SA Senna becomes a reality b/c I'll be in.
Thank you for you to be fond of SA SENNA. I'll try my best.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 19 February 2017, 23:12:33: I might be biased as I love uniform but I feel like DSA would fit this theme quite accurately - maybe it's because F1 cars are super low and DSA/XDA are short as opposed to the tall SA.

Great idea, though.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: HenryLamVN on Mon, 20 February 2017, 00:41:32: Nice bro

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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: longtran1568 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:12:24: If you are using SA and choosing your colors based on the Brazilian flag then I strongly suggest that you change the Alpha's color to green also. Green SA looks AWESOME!

If there is an option for green Alpha (the same as the mods) then I am in! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:28:25: Quote from: Vigrith on Sun, 19 February 2017, 23:12:33
I might be biased as I love uniform but I feel like DSA would fit this theme quite accurately - maybe it's because F1 cars are super low and DSA/XDA are short as opposed to the tall SA.

Great idea, though.

Well, thanks for your suggestion.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:30:11: Quote from: longtran1568 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:12:24
If you are using SA and choosing your colors based on the Brazilian flag then I strongly suggest that you change the Alpha's color to green also. Green SA looks AWESOME!

If there is an option for green Alpha (the same as the mods) then I am in! :thumb:

THX, I would like to have a try.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: sundin on Mon, 20 February 2017, 05:55:01: Nice!
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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: oatmicro on Mon, 20 February 2017, 06:55:55: Quote from: 458 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 21:17:13

I'm glad you like it! The Blue-Purple's real color will be infinitely close to PANTONE 2758 CP (http://www.pantone.com/color-finder/2758-CP). THX

because of some renders I thought it was 2758-C (https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/2758-C) at the beginning.

as your ~~confirming~~ confirmation it's perfect right now.

I will take it soon, Thanks!!

edit: rip englando
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 20 February 2017, 10:56:51: Quote from: sundin on Mon, 20 February 2017, 05:55:01
Nice!
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LMFAO. I was thinking the exact same thing.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: Rykno on Mon, 20 February 2017, 20:19:33: Senna is #1; interested!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 08:54:32: Quote from: longtran1568 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:12:24
If you are using SA and choosing your colors based on the Brazilian flag then I strongly suggest that you change the Alpha's color to green also. Green SA looks AWESOME!

If there is an option for green Alpha (the same as the mods) then I am in! :thumb:

Aha！

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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: longtran1568 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 08:58:51: Quote from: 458 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 08:54:32
Quote from: longtran1568 on Mon, 20 February 2017, 01:12:24
If you are using SA and choosing your colors based on the Brazilian flag then I strongly suggest that you change the Alpha's color to green also. Green SA looks AWESOME!

If there is an option for green Alpha (the same as the mods) then I am in! :thumb:

Aha！

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So much yes!

Not gonna lie, green is my favorite color and I don't have a SA set in green yet, so if this set gonna happen I will be in for sure.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: rabbitfire on Sun, 26 February 2017, 11:37:44: Colorway looks great! Interested! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: 458 on Tue, 28 February 2017, 21:34:08: Renders added.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: 458 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 14:59:27: Kits has be added
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: doooostin on Tue, 14 March 2017, 15:09:39: Dat Subway vibe tho
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: 458 on Mon, 27 March 2017, 01:02:12: H5 added.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: babyphil on Fri, 07 April 2017, 21:58:54: Quote from: Vigrith on Sun, 19 February 2017, 23:12:33
I might be biased as I love uniform but I feel like DSA would fit this theme quite accurately - maybe it's because F1 cars are super low and DSA/XDA are short as opposed to the tall SA.

Great idea, though.

As much as I want a SA set I have to agree a DSA does fit. Great design btw.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 07 April 2017, 22:26:53: F1 themed keycap set...sign me up
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （Renders March,1）
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 08 April 2017, 12:02:52: I'm not a racing fan, but this is an interesting concept. The colours work really well together.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: 458 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 14:58:08: GB is coming soon!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: ChitownM2 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 21:39:56: Quote from: 458 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 14:58:08
GB is coming soon!

Excellent! With all of the novelties I assume that SP will be manufacturing? Also, will this be running through a vendor?
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 18 April 2017, 22:28:22: Man, I would want to get both sets so that I could do a full yellow on green and a full green on white :)
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: septha on Fri, 21 April 2017, 02:06:36: Quote from: 458 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 14:58:08
GB is coming soon!

look forward :D :cool:
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: 458 on Sat, 22 April 2017, 11:53:45: Quote from: ChitownM2 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 21:39:56
Quote from: 458 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 14:58:08
GB is coming soon!

Excellent! With all of the novelties I assume that SP will be manufacturing? Also, will this be running through a vendor?

All right!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: 458 on Sat, 22 April 2017, 12:16:06: Quote from: reececonrad on Tue, 18 April 2017, 22:28:22
Man, I would want to get both sets so that I could do a full yellow on green and a full green on white :)

I'm so convinced you're right.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: ihatemybrain on Fri, 28 April 2017, 04:22:59: count me in. this is really awesome
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: William_S_Jones on Sat, 29 April 2017, 22:23:22: Interested, I'm a sucker for green & yellow!

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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA （GB is coming soon!）
Post by: 458 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 11:38:32: Quote from: ihatemybrain on Fri, 28 April 2017, 04:22:59
count me in. this is really awesome

All right!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 14:23:18: Just my 10p, but when I think of Senna, I don't think of green and yellow. I know he was Brazilian and those are the colours of the Brazilian flag, but to me his colours are red and blue with a small bit of yellow. His car liveries were always predominantly red or blue, and he only ever had a small stripe of green on his helmet.

I wont be buying the set because I'm not a fan of SA, and I have no money, but as a fan of Formula 1, these colours do not represent Ayrton Senna.

Edit: My alterations would be maybe red or blue mods, a yellow number row, and maybe some green novelties with Brazilian flags as well but I think the green is too much.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:29:42: Quote from: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 14:23:18
Just my 10p, but when I think of Senna, I don't think of green and yellow. I know he was Brazilian and those are the colours of the Brazilian flag, but to me his colours are red and blue with a small bit of yellow. His car liveries were always predominantly red or blue, and he only ever had a small stripe of green on his helmet.

I wont be buying the set because I'm not a fan of SA, and I have no money, but as a fan of Formula 1, these colours do not represent Ayrton Senna.

Edit: My alterations would be maybe red or blue mods, a yellow number row, and maybe some green novelties with Brazilian flags as well but I think the green is too much.

I'm so happy to meet another fan of F1.

I konw His car liveries were always predominantly red or blue, but Senna is one of the most well-known, liked and respected citizens in Brasil, he deeply love his motherland, following the win he always roared hoarse, waving the flag of Brazil. His helmet color comes from Brazilian flag and never had significant changes, apart from sponsorship. The helmet worn by Senna in the fatal race was returned to Bell in 2002 and was incinerated while family members watched. So, in my submission the green and yellow represented Ayrton Senna. Sadly, Senna never got the chance to drive a F1 car again. The Senninha kits want to memorialize he in some meaningful way. The yellow colour symbolised youth and the green symbolised aspiration.

Dear Sir, thank you for your interest in my Memorial Scheme.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: superpiya on Thu, 04 May 2017, 11:26:17: Quote from: 458 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:29:42
Quote from: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 14:23:18
Just my 10p, but when I think of Senna, I don't think of green and yellow. I know he was Brazilian and those are the colours of the Brazilian flag, but to me his colours are red and blue with a small bit of yellow. His car liveries were always predominantly red or blue, and he only ever had a small stripe of green on his helmet.

I wont be buying the set because I'm not a fan of SA, and I have no money, but as a fan of Formula 1, these colours do not represent Ayrton Senna.

Edit: My alterations would be maybe red or blue mods, a yellow number row, and maybe some green novelties with Brazilian flags as well but I think the green is too much.

I'm so happy to meet another fan of F1.

I konw His car liveries were always predominantly red or blue, but Senna is one of the most well-known, liked and respected citizens in Brasil, he deeply love his motherland, following the win he always roared hoarse, waving the flag of Brazil. His helmet color comes from Brazilian flag and never had significant changes, apart from sponsorship. The helmet worn by Senna in the fatal race was returned to Bell in 2002 and was incinerated while family members watched. So, in my submission the green and yellow represented Ayrton Senna. Sadly, Senna never got the chance to drive a F1 car again. The Senninha kits want to memorialize he in some meaningful way. The yellow colour symbolised youth and the green symbolised aspiration.

Dear Sir, thank you for your interest in my Memorial Scheme.

I agree, green doesn't remind me of Senna either. I am thinking more in terms of the color scheme, perhaps it is more suitable to name it SA 'Samba' and add some dance novelties :cool:
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: xondat on Thu, 04 May 2017, 11:29:51: I agree with katushkin. This set is more SA Brazil in my eyes.

The most visible color of this set is green, whereas his helmet was predominantly yellow so not sure how that happened. You'd need to include some more colors (think liveries from McLaren, Lotus & Williams) to make it a set representing Senna.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 21:21:52: Quote from: xondat on Thu, 04 May 2017, 11:29:51
I agree with katushkin. This set is more SA Brazil in my eyes.

The most visible color of this set is green, whereas his helmet was predominantly yellow so not sure how that happened. You'd need to include some more colors (think liveries from McLaren, Lotus & Williams) to make it a set representing Senna.

Aha, I said the theme colors comes from his helmet but not to follow the color ratio and his helmet colors（the green and yellow） comes from Brazilian flag and never had significant changes, apart from sponsorship. I know somebody maybe want to see the more colors(liveries from Toleman, Lotus, McLaren & Williams), but I still want to emphasize the yellow colour symbolised youth and the green symbolised aspiration. We lost a great formula one racing driver and we still can't picture or realize that he's gone. Senninha is a Brazilian comic book series created by Rogério Martins and Ridaut Dias Jr., whose main character is based upon Formula One world champion Ayrton Senna. Senninha will never leave us, so I used a lot of green color to Senninha kits, the green symbolised aspiration and Senna is dead, but his spirit lives on. Where there is green, there is evergreen.

Thanks very much anyhow.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: lovetree on Mon, 05 June 2017, 06:13:57: Is this IC still alive or SA Senna proceeded to group buy stage?
I encountered some retailers who's gathering buyers in Taobao (refer to this page: https://s.taobao.com/search?q=sa+senna&imgfile=&commend=all&ssid=s5-e&search_type=item&sourceId=tb.index&spm=a21bo.50862.201856-taobao-item.1&ie=utf8&initiative_id=tbindexz_20170605 ) but could not find other group buy site other that there.
So, I am not sure to join them or not.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Mon, 05 June 2017, 10:32:04: Please feel assured that the GB will open in the KeyClack in the coming days.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: lovetree on Mon, 05 June 2017, 10:52:24: Quote from: 458 on Mon, 05 June 2017, 10:32:04
Please feel assured that the GB will open in the KeyClack in the coming days.

Thank you.
I will waiting for the updated information then.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: ChitownM2 on Mon, 05 June 2017, 12:01:34: What kind of MOQ are we going to be looking at once this hits keyclack? I love the set, but this has been a rather mild build up to the GB...

Are all of the kits going to be produced? Might be spreading ourselves too thin if both colorways run at the same time.

Also, I assume this is going to be produced by SP due to the large number of novelties?
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Mon, 05 June 2017, 20:29:08: Bring 'em back
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 01:20:32: Quote from: lovetree on Mon, 05 June 2017, 10:52:24
Quote from: 458 on Mon, 05 June 2017, 10:32:04
Please feel assured that the GB will open in the KeyClack in the coming days.

Thank you.
I will waiting for the updated information then.

GB is LIVE!
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 10 June 2017, 20:05:37: Hamilton tied Senna today for #of poles in a career.....

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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Wed, 14 June 2017, 12:50:16: The color chips has been uploaded.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: TheOtherDave on Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:53:08: I've never heard of Senna (nothing against him/her/etc, I'm just not nearly as into racing as I'd like to be), but I bet with a different set of novelties and a different return key, you could sell this to John Deere fans as well.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:23:06: Quote from: TheOtherDave on Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:53:08
I've never heard of Senna (nothing against him/her/etc, I'm just not nearly as into racing as I'd like to be), but I bet with a different set of novelties and a different return key, you could sell this to John Deere fans as well.

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Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: bciamny on Fri, 16 June 2017, 15:59:16: Quote from: 458 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:23:06
Quote from: TheOtherDave on Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:53:08
I've never heard of Senna (nothing against him/her/etc, I'm just not nearly as into racing as I'd like to be), but I bet with a different set of novelties and a different return key, you could sell this to John Deere fans as well.

John Deere fans (Attachment Link)

i take my tractors very serious...

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no laugh-cry emoji pls
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: 458 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 14:01:55: Quote from: bciamny on Fri, 16 June 2017, 15:59:16
Quote from: 458 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:23:06
Quote from: TheOtherDave on Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:53:08
I've never heard of Senna (nothing against him/her/etc, I'm just not nearly as into racing as I'd like to be), but I bet with a different set of novelties and a different return key, you could sell this to John Deere fans as well.

John Deere fans (Attachment Link)

i take my tractors very serious...

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no laugh-cry emoji pls

Sorry, your tractors is excellent. It also conveys both classical and modern beauty.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: bciamny on Sun, 18 June 2017, 10:46:58: :D ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: mechamode on Mon, 19 June 2017, 23:35:44: Hi, fellow Senna fan here. It might be a bit late to offer suggestions, but what do you think about modifying the helmet novelty to better match Senna's iconic helmet design?
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: BitLuder on Wed, 21 June 2017, 09:07:03: I love this set! I would have wished for a international kit, to get my danish layout. But the set is so nice that I ordered it anyway. :) (It might go on my wall and not on my daily driver)
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: BitLuder on Wed, 21 June 2017, 09:10:52: Quote from: mechamode on Mon, 19 June 2017, 23:35:44
Hi, fellow Senna fan here. It might be a bit late to offer suggestions, but what do you think about modifying the helmet novelty to better match Senna's iconic helmet design?

I agree, but I don't know if tripple-shot keycap is out of reach?
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:07:00: This is the first set of SP SA that I can say that I actually wish they were selling the Alphas and mods separately. Every other set I've purchased them separately on, and had wished they were combined for a better price. In this set that isn't an option and I need to purchase both sets in order to get the all green setup that I want. Doubles the cost which is what is holding me back at the moment.....
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:16:32: Quote from: ChitownM2 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:07:00
This is the first set of SP SA that I can say that I actually wish they were selling the Alphas and mods separately. Every other set I've purchased them separately on, and had wished they were combined for a better price. In this set that isn't an option and I need to purchase both sets in order to get the all green setup that I want. Doubles the cost which is what is holding me back at the moment.....

Same, really holding back on pulling the trigger on this one. I'd love all green plus yellow novelties, but that's 240 euro. Maybe I could sell the green on white full TKL for 100 on MM later on... but also it appears Nuclear Data is going to come back, so that could fill my green needs. The base alone feels too similar to Camping.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:20:27: Quote from: Oblotzky on Wed, 21 June 2017, 12:16:32

Same, really holding back on pulling the trigger on this one. I'd love all green plus yellow novelties, but that's 240 euro. Maybe I could sell the green on white full TKL for 100 on MM later on... but also it appears Nuclear Data is going to come back, so that could fill my green needs. The base alone feels too similar to Camping.

Exactly what I was going to purchase. Not sure I trust there to be a market for an all green on white set. If I'm betting I would only get $50-75 USD for it which makes it tough to swallow. Still have a couple days to decide.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 21 June 2017, 13:28:35: Considering Chronicler can sell for $100+ I doubt you'd have trouble selling the green on white for less than you bought it for. That said, I actually had the exact same thoughts as you and Oblotzky. I'm still trying to justify spending a crazy amount to get a yellow on green uniform set.
Title: Re: [IC]SA SENNA
Post by: TheOtherDave on Sun, 25 June 2017, 16:42:27: Quote from: 458 on Sat, 17 June 2017, 14:01:55
Quote from: bciamny on Fri, 16 June 2017, 15:59:16
Quote from: 458 on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:23:06
Quote from: TheOtherDave on Wed, 14 June 2017, 15:53:08
I've never heard of Senna (nothing against him/her/etc, I'm just not nearly as into racing as I'd like to be), but I bet with a different set of novelties and a different return key, you could sell this to John Deere fans as well.

John Deere fans (Attachment Link)

i take my tractors very serious...

(Attachment Link)

no laugh-cry emoji pls

Sorry, your tractors is excellent. It also conveys both classical and modern beauty.

Oh, no, I get it... I'm just saying that, AFAICT anyway, they the exact same color scheme. And you never know what a email inquiry to their marketing dept might yield (almost certainly nothing, but that's also about what it'd cost to ask).