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Title: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:47:28: Revolutionary Cherry Silver switches need a new thread.

They're short and fast (like Halverson) and we need to appreciate them.

RGB information - http://www.cherry.de/cid/keymodules_CHERRY_MX_SPEED_RGB_Silver.htm

Buy them, use them, post about them here.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:52:58: Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:47:28
Revolutionary Cherry Silver switches need a new thread.

They're short and fast (like Halverson) and we need to appreciate them.

RGB information - http://www.cherry.de/cid/keymodules_CHERRY_MX_SPEED_RGB_Silver.htm

Buy them, use them, post about them here.

Gotta go fast!

I really want to try them, with heavier springs.

NEED TO BUILD ANOTHER KEYBOARD
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:58:05: These will make me type faster right? I need this...can we combine the silver with silencing though? Finally have cherry cloud switches...
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:59:14: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 March 2017, 15:58:05
These will make me type faster right? I need this...can we combine the silver with silencing though? Finally have cherry cloud switches...

Has anyone tried cotton as a landing pad?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:05:20: do want
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:19:50: I've been using them for a while now and I can tell you that I really like the shorter travel distance, something I think I would actually put in my korean custom :eek:
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:31:49: Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:19:50
I've been using them for a while now and I can tell you that I really like the shorter travel distance, something I think I would actually put in my korean custom :eek:

Spring swap em for me!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:38:39: Quote from: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:31:49
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:19:50
I've been using them for a while now and I can tell you that I really like the shorter travel distance, something I think I would actually put in my korean custom :eek:

Spring swap em for me!

I need some of you spring nerds to figure out what springs come in these switches, here is the cN:

• Initial force: 30 cN min.
• Actuation force: 45 ± 15 cN

I'd be happy to try some different springs once I figure out which ones to get! :P
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:40:34: Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:38:39
Quote from: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:31:49
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:19:50
I've been using them for a while now and I can tell you that I really like the shorter travel distance, something I think I would actually put in my korean custom :eek:

Spring swap em for me!

I need some of you spring nerds to figure out what springs come in these switches, here is the cN:

• Initial force: 30 cN min.
• Actuation force: 45 ± 15 cN

I'd be happy to try some different springs once I figure out which ones to get! :P

I thought they were just red springs, toss some black springs in!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17: Quote from: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:40:34
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:38:39
Quote from: Halverson on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:31:49
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:19:50
I've been using them for a while now and I can tell you that I really like the shorter travel distance, something I think I would actually put in my korean custom :eek:

Spring swap em for me!

I need some of you spring nerds to figure out what springs come in these switches, here is the cN:

• Initial force: 30 cN min.
• Actuation force: 45 ± 15 cN

I'd be happy to try some different springs once I figure out which ones to get! :P

I thought they were just red springs, toss some black springs in!

They might be shorter springs tho!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: mech0nly on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:47:10: Hmmm okay, time to build Osu board

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Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:41:28: Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17
They might be shorter springs tho!

I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe Cherry would invest the money / increase complexity of production by introducing a new size spring.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dantan on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:48:01: • Initial force: 30 cN min.
• Actuation force: 45 ± 15 cN

Aren't these just shorter throw reds? Cherry has finally realized that people like shorter actuation distances right?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:56:41: Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:41:28
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17
They might be shorter springs tho!

I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe Cherry would invest the money / increase complexity of production by introducing a new size spring.

Yea, I have no idea, I need to take one apart..you're probably right.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:59:28: I mentioned it in another thread but I'll mention it here too: I wish Cherry would create a franken switch that combines the Silver stem + Nature spring + Silencing.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:02:50: Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:59:28
I mentioned it in another thread but I'll mention it here too: I wish Cherry would create a franken switch that combines the Silver stem + Nature spring + Silencing.
What's the deal with the nature white?

I'm behind the times.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:03:42: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:02:50
Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:59:28
I mentioned it in another thread but I'll mention it here too: I wish Cherry would create a franken switch that combines the Silver stem + Nature spring + Silencing.
What's the deal with the nature white?

I'm behind the times.

It's weight is between Red and Black, more towards Black.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Tally810 on Thu, 02 March 2017, 22:10:56: I have some cherry speeds and they are so light I make a lot of mistakes while typing. With the short travel they feel lighter than reds. For gaming they are pretty nice.

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Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ygor on Thu, 02 March 2017, 22:56:17: Really should have called these Globals and not Silvers. FeelsBadMan
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Mon, 06 March 2017, 16:41:27: These switches are really good. I might have a hard time going back to conventional linear's. Anyone else cop some Silvers yet?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ygor on Mon, 06 March 2017, 16:43:03: I just picked up the Ducky One TKL with Silvers. It'll be here on Saturday... We shall see what the hype is all about...
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Mon, 06 March 2017, 16:44:44: Quote from: ygor on Mon, 06 March 2017, 16:43:03
I just picked up the Ducky One TKL with Silvers. It'll be here on Saturday... We shall see what the hype is all about...

Welcome to the inner circle.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: KnivesM on Mon, 06 March 2017, 18:12:58: Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:41:28
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17
They might be shorter springs tho!

I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe Cherry would invest the money / increase complexity of production by introducing a new size spring.
Edit: I am Dumb.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Tue, 07 March 2017, 11:51:32: Quote from: KnivesM on Mon, 06 March 2017, 18:12:58
Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:41:28
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17
They might be shorter springs tho!

I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe Cherry would invest the money / increase complexity of production by introducing a new size spring.
They are shorter, I saw a pic the other day comparing on /r/mk but I can't find that so I took one of mine apart.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/y23VQNE.jpg?1)

Here it is next to a MX Silent Black and MX Red.

Thanks for posting that, saved me time tearing into mine. These are a game changer for sure!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:31:41: So where can we obtain these new switches from Cherry with out having to harvest a corsair board? I am trying to find some silent blacks.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:38:25: Quote from: OfTheWild on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:31:41
So where can we obtain these new switches from Cherry with out having to harvest a corsair board? I am trying to find some silent blacks.

I don't think anyone has them yet, I've been checking MK, I'm sure they will pop up soon, maybe email them or something..
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:39:21: Quote from: 00zeRO on Fri, 03 February 2017, 12:34:50
Quote from: dante on Fri, 03 February 2017, 12:22:25
Update on individual Cherry Silver/Speed switches?

No ETA yet...

FYI

This would be a good candidate for harvesting maybe

https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2166 (https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2166)

It should have some resell value between the guts and the caps and not a bunch of led's to desolder...unless you want the fancy RGB ones like digi :p

The alternative is watching eBay for a good price on a used corsair board
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:42:24: Quote from: SpAmRaY on Tue, 07 March 2017, 13:39:21
Quote from: 00zeRO on Fri, 03 February 2017, 12:34:50
Quote from: dante on Fri, 03 February 2017, 12:22:25
Update on individual Cherry Silver/Speed switches?

No ETA yet...

FYI

Doh, well i'm not much in a rush either, I won't have my kit until summer anyways. I'm going to be looking for the RGB silvers.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Marvellion on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:46:29: I saw some MX Silvers (RGB ones I think) for sale on TaoBao for 1.45 per switch (ouch), no idea about their authenticity although shop was rated very highly.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: merlin64 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 17:23:05: So what makes them "fast", is it just the shorter spring leads to smaller actuation point? It's gotta be something with the stem or metal contacts, otherwise someone would have already made short springs to mod their switches.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Tue, 07 March 2017, 18:07:03: Quote from: merlin64 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 17:23:05
So what makes them "fast", is it just the shorter spring leads to smaller actuation point? It's gotta be something with the stem or metal contacts, otherwise someone would have already made short springs to mod their switches.

Copied this from Tomshardware:

Actuation point on Silvers are 1.2mm compared to 2mm on Reds
Total Travel on Silvers are 3.4mm compared to 4mm on Reds

Now that we know the spring is shorter, I would think it would be safe to assume the stem is also shorter but i don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 07 March 2017, 18:08:58: Quote from: KnivesM on Mon, 06 March 2017, 18:12:58
Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:41:28
Quote from: digi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 16:43:17
They might be shorter springs tho!

I could be wrong but I find it difficult to believe Cherry would invest the money / increase complexity of production by introducing a new size spring.
They are shorter, I saw a pic the other day comparing on /r/mk but I can't find that so I took one of mine apart.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/y23VQNE.jpg?1)

Here it is next to a MX Silent Black and MX Red.

Have you tried stem swapping it into another switch?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 07 March 2017, 19:47:22: Well i mean they're out there for sure, I just got a couple of each with my Vortex 22-key switch tester set from Massdrop. Just need to find a source. (this kit also included some of the "new" cherry blacks and a large logo vintage black for comparison... gotta say, cherry did a huge improvement in their new blacks... huge.)

As for the silvers... i can take a pic if you want, they are physically about 1mm shorter to bottom than say a standard red switch.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: chyros on Tue, 07 March 2017, 20:46:39: These switches are no longer exclusive to Corsair and other manufacturers will be marketing them in the future, too, from what I understood.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Hyde on Tue, 07 March 2017, 21:45:07: Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:03:42
Quote from: SpAmRaY on Thu, 02 March 2017, 21:02:50
Quote from: dante on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:59:28
I mentioned it in another thread but I'll mention it here too: I wish Cherry would create a franken switch that combines the Silver stem + Nature spring + Silencing.
What's the deal with the nature white?

I'm behind the times.

It's weight is between Red and Black, more towards Black.

Oh yeah definitely need this, though I don't like the silencing it reduce key travel also makes key feel more mushy.

But we definitely need MX Silver stem + MX Nature White weight. :thumb:
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 07 March 2017, 23:50:51: Silver on the left, red on the right...

(http://i.imgur.com/RlvAX3d.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7xQusYV.jpg)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 08 March 2017, 01:16:55: Is this basically a production model of the jail-house blues?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 09:12:02: Jail house blues are tactile, these are linear
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 08 March 2017, 18:06:09: Quote from: merlin64 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 09:12:02
Jail house blues are tactile, these are linear

Yeah, but I mean the main concept behind jail-house blues was to raise the point of actuation, no? Either way, happy to see more/upgraded variants.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Entropia on Thu, 09 March 2017, 10:21:27: If they are like reds with a shorter travel, wouldn't it be too difficult to make soft typing without bottoming out?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 09 March 2017, 13:22:40: Quote from: Entropia on Thu, 09 March 2017, 10:21:27
If they are like reds with a shorter travel, wouldn't it be too difficult to make soft typing without bottoming out?

MX Silvers are meant as a gaming switch through and through, so I don't think that's a real concern of the target market.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 10 March 2017, 09:19:37: Are these smoother then regular mx switches?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: quake4mhg on Fri, 10 March 2017, 12:45:29: Quote from: Skull_Angel on Wed, 08 March 2017, 18:06:09
Quote from: merlin64 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 09:12:02
Jail house blues are tactile, these are linear
Yeah, but I mean the main concept behind jail-house blues was to raise the point of actuation, no? Either way, happy to see more/upgraded variants.
Exactly I've been doing to raise the actuation point for years.

(http://i.imgur.com/uBI5af9.jpg)

Recently with Zealencio Silencing Clips too.
Definitely want to try mx silver :D
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Fri, 10 March 2017, 15:56:41: Quote from: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 10 March 2017, 09:19:37
Are these smoother then regular mx switches?

To me they are, less travel distance = less surface area that could come in contact with each other, this simple math equation should cover it:

2(pi r 2) + (2 pi r)* h

:)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ygor on Fri, 10 March 2017, 17:11:17: Got the board a day early... Put some PBT caps on it with 40A-R dampeners. These are buttery smooth and super quiet. Very nice. FeelsGoodMan
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 10 March 2017, 18:53:49: Quote from: digi on Fri, 10 March 2017, 15:56:41
Quote from: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 10 March 2017, 09:19:37
Are these smoother then regular mx switches?

To me they are, less travel distance = less surface area that could come in contact with each other, this simple math equation should cover it:

2(pi r 2) + (2 pi r)* h

:)

From my experience, the new rgb compatible Cherry switches are also smoother than they used to be.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Fri, 10 March 2017, 21:32:16: Looks like KBParadise is coming out with a MX Silver board too:

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17015699_1784759888216143_5931532727170439597_o.jpg?oh=1ebb3f60fce4d5bad3a82c2696bee461&oe=592A543E)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: davkol on Sat, 11 March 2017, 10:30:35: Appreciation for Cherry catching up with ALPS Electric… except ~25 years later?

Alps SKCM/SKCL always had a higher actuation point (MX Silver) and even got damping (MX Silent) over 20 years ago. In all switches, including tactile.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Sat, 11 March 2017, 11:06:34: Quote from: davkol on Sat, 11 March 2017, 10:30:35
Appreciation for Cherry catching up with ALPS Electric… except ~25 years later?

Alps SKCM/SKCL always had a higher actuation point (MX Silver) and even got damping (MX Silent) over 20 years ago. In all switches, including tactile.

I always chuckle when a keyboard comes out with NKRO NKRO NKRO!!!!!! <-- Welcome to the 80's (or earlier?) my friends!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 March 2017, 11:57:49: Quote from: dante on Sat, 11 March 2017, 11:06:34
Quote from: davkol on Sat, 11 March 2017, 10:30:35
Appreciation for Cherry catching up with ALPS Electric… except ~25 years later?

Alps SKCM/SKCL always had a higher actuation point (MX Silver) and even got damping (MX Silent) over 20 years ago. In all switches, including tactile.

I always chuckle when a keyboard comes out with NKRO NKRO NKRO!!!!!! <-- Welcome to the 80's (or earlier?) my friends!

The geeks were WAYYY geekier back then.. They were engineers..

The majority of the geeks as the term encircles today are just i-zombies addicted to media consumption.

Much like the consumerist crowd here buying yet another keyboard that does nothing more than the four other ones they own.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Sat, 11 March 2017, 13:23:46: Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 11 March 2017, 11:57:49
The majority of the geeks as the term encircles today are just i-zombies addicted to media consumption.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/yRLPvdi1mJonS/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ygor on Sat, 11 March 2017, 13:33:32: C.R.E.A.M.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Merranza on Sat, 11 March 2017, 21:50:40: Quote from: Entropia on Thu, 09 March 2017, 10:21:27
If they are like reds with a shorter travel, wouldn't it be too difficult to make soft typing without bottoming out?

I have yet to see a real video of someone using reds going full typing speed that doesn't bottom out. I've asked everybody that claimed they didn't bottom out to provide visual proof and they always disappeared after :)

I'm averaging 92-97 WPM and it's close to impossible not to bottom out going full speed. So it's not like MX speed are really at a disadvantage here compared to reds in terms of bottoming out.

I'm an avid light linear fan and I've been using MX reds at home and at work for close to 3 years. I have a cooler master quickfire TK MX red at work and an original K70 RGB with MX red at home. I even consider reds to be a bit heavy sometimes. I have yet to try something lighter than reds.

I have purchased a K70 RGB rapidfire. The higher actuation point is nice and is indeed much more reactive and quicker than reds. The rapidfire keys feel much more stable than the keys on the original K70 (the original K70 felt woobly at time... even my quickfire feels nicer and firmer). I do miss the extra travel though as I loved the feeling of sinking into that travel distance and the possibility to hover just over the actuation point. I'm a very light typist and when I'm not at full speed, I just love the feeling of having my fingers float in the travel distance on the reds. My biggest complaint is the extra stiffness/weight of the switch. That extra weight toward the end of the press is definitely there. People wishing for a nice compromise between blacks and reds will really like the silver switches.

As for typing speed, I hit exactly the same 92-97 WPM with both type of switches.

I'm still in my exchange period to swap this for a K70 lux with reds. The silver switches kinda feel more tactile and less mechanical than MX reds. It's a tough decision. I'll probably keep it though since I already have my original K70 with reds so I can switch from time to time. I just can't make up my mind.

I need to try other switches too. Linear ideally :)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Minnie2 on Sun, 12 March 2017, 00:57:46: Cherry MX Silver Switches sounds much comfortable than Cherry MX Red Switches.

As for me, I prefer Shorter bond path.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: cutterline on Sun, 12 March 2017, 21:58:20: Quote from: Merranza on Sat, 11 March 2017, 21:50:40

I'm an avid light linear fan and I've been using MX reds at home and at work for close to 3 years. I have a cooler master quickfire TK MX red at work and an original K70 RGB with MX red at home. I even consider reds to be a bit heavy sometimes. I have yet to try something lighter than reds.
Ugh.. you're not annoyed by that perpetual grit of sand inside of your switch? Scratchy scratchy switch. I was like you and I like light linear switch very much but after I tried gateron linear and topre (the smooth linear after bump), mx red is never linear anymore. After that, I sold my mx red keyboard right away. Side note, lubing doesn't help because the inherent rough surface of the slider.

If you want something lighter than reds, you can try gateron clear which is crazy light. I liked it but resting fingers sometimes trigger the switch and I was annoyed by it. I suggest getting gateron clear, change the spring with Sprit 55g, and if you want a bit heavier than that, use cherry case instead of gateron case. I actually use this setup, cherry switch case + gateron clear slider + 55g sprit spring. I recommend Topre 45g, if you haven't tried it, that's the only light tactile switch that I like. Although I, once in a blue moon, use blue switch just for the click noise ;D.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25: So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: KnivesM on Mon, 13 March 2017, 00:13:35: Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.
Yea I think I accidently mixed up the springs or stems somehow when I was doing the pic, and since I was already thinking they were I didn't question it. I probably should of marked the springs or made sure to be more careful keeping them apart. I'm guessing the picture I saw was the Nature Whites or another heavy switch and Silent Reds but who knows. Although I had never noticed the the heavier MX switches are actually shorter than the Red ect springs.

I actually noticed the silvers I had felt heavy the other day when I was messing with them and figured I might switched them up when I was putting them back together or taking the pictures, and was meaning to check into it more.

Side Note: Be careful opening the RGB Cherry switches as I broke a switch tops clip opening one.

:-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Mon, 13 March 2017, 00:35:10: yeah i've also noticed the new rgb compatible cherry housings are stiffer. Theres mention in the video from CES about the silent switches that the bottoms are fiber reinforced now as well. I've also confirmed the new housings have no slop in the tolerances so no need for stickers... unless you're like me and think they might save some switches from a liquid spill one day.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Merranza on Mon, 13 March 2017, 08:43:37: Quote from: KnivesM on Mon, 13 March 2017, 00:13:35
Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

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(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.
Yea I think I accidently mixed up the springs or stems somehow when I was doing the pic, and since I was already thinking they were I didn't question it. I probably should of marked the springs or made sure to be more careful keeping them apart. I'm guessing the picture I saw was the Nature Whites or another heavy switch and Silent Reds but who knows. Although I had never noticed the the heavier MX switches are actually shorter than the Red ect springs.

I actually noticed the silvers I had felt heavy the other day when I was messing with them and figured I might switched them up when I was putting them back together or taking the pictures, and was meaning to check into it more.

Side Note: Be careful opening the RGB Cherry switches as I broke a switch tops clip opening one.

:-[ :-[ :-[

Ah!

I'm not a switch expert like you guys are but wouldn't that explain why the silver switch is indeed stiffer than the red switch (the force charts published by WASD seem to confirm that also)? I mean you have the same cN/length of spring except in the case of silver switches, you get 0.6mm shorter travel distance to compress that spring resulting in more resistance?
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 14 March 2017, 16:29:26: Spring rate would only be impacted by the switch stem if it was being pre-compressed in its "resting" state. My best guess is that the only part of the silver stem that is LONGER is just those tabs at the bottom that in turn will make the switch bottom out sooner creating the shorter travel. I can confirm that the silent stem has in fact a bit of the rubber up in the socket for the spring. But not enough for someone to tell the difference.

Perhaps the stats are old red vs. new silent?
I am positive the springs between the new silver and new silent red are the same. Just for science I will confirm the regular rgb red and black case reds are also the same new bronzed "light" (45'ish gram) weighted spring.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Fri, 17 March 2017, 12:19:42: Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

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(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

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(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.

Where did you get the RGB silvers from??
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:30:46: Quote from: digi on Fri, 17 March 2017, 12:19:42
Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.

Where did you get the RGB silvers from??

I got a few with my Vortex 22-key switch-tester/numpad from Massdrop. It came with a bunch of new switches we cant seem to buy elsewhere yet: Silvers, Silent reds, Silent Blacks, new blacks, and all in both black and clear housings.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:43:34: Quote from: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:30:46
Quote from: digi on Fri, 17 March 2017, 12:19:42
Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.

Where did you get the RGB silvers from??

I got a few with my Vortex 22-key switch-tester/numpad from Massdrop. It came with a bunch of new switches we cant seem to buy elsewhere yet: Silvers, Silent reds, Silent Blacks, new blacks, and all in both black and clear housings.

Leopold 980Ms have MX silent versions
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:51:58: Quote from: Puddsy on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:43:34
Quote from: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 15:30:46
Quote from: digi on Fri, 17 March 2017, 12:19:42
Quote from: OfTheWild on Sun, 12 March 2017, 22:53:25
So i thought i'd clear some misconceptions up here... I'm not sure where the photo of the short spring thing came from but thats now what the production "silvers" have from what i'm seeing they are using the regular "light" (red/blue) 45?g spring that is normal size. For the person that asked about "can I put a cherry clear spring in it?" yes. works fine, feels good. Heres some photos:

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/TMCenGe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/rJERl65.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/K3jibfe.jpg)

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/OEKylNj.jpg)

Just for kicks, i also lubed up and swapped in a 62g spring for the red silent... yum. ;D I think i know what i'm going to do with my Mira.

Where did you get the RGB silvers from??

I got a few with my Vortex 22-key switch-tester/numpad from Massdrop. It came with a bunch of new switches we cant seem to buy elsewhere yet: Silvers, Silent reds, Silent Blacks, new blacks, and all in both black and clear housings.

Leopold 980Ms have MX silent versions

But they're out of stock everywhere. :eek:
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:01:08: RIP
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:14:53: For my red 'silents' i commandeered them from a commission job switch swapping a Corsair Strafe to Gateron Greens. I haven't found a "quick silver" thats reasonably priced yet to harvest from. I'm not really interested in them for a whole board but I might try using them for my handwired game pad on the wasd.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: digi on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:18:22: Quote from: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:14:53
For my red 'silents' i commandeered them from a commission job switch swapping a Corsair Strafe to Gateron Greens. I haven't found a "quick silver" thats reasonably priced yet to harvest from. I'm not really interested in them for a whole board but I might try using them for my handwired game pad on the wasd.

Yea and the problem is that if you harvest them out of any current boards, they're probably black tops instead of those cool clear tops that come with the RGB's...We'll just have be patient!! It will be like the ole' 7Bit days! MUAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 17 March 2017, 16:31:27: lol yeah true. Its worth the wait though. I'm REALLY happy with the new Cherry switches, both clear and black tops.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Tue, 21 March 2017, 13:44:24: Massdrop just started a GB for Kaihua Kailh Speed switches:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kaihua-kailh-speed-switches?mode=guest_open

I'm definitely picking up some. I am tired of waiting for Cherry to make their MX Silvers available.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Ein on Mon, 29 May 2017, 12:56:47: Quote from: dante on Tue, 21 March 2017, 13:44:24
Massdrop just started a GB for Kaihua Kailh Speed switches:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kaihua-kailh-speed-switches?mode=guest_open

I'm definitely picking up some. I am tired of waiting for Cherry to make their MX Silvers available.

nooo, i missed it :'(
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: dante on Mon, 29 May 2017, 13:03:29: Quote from: Ein on Mon, 29 May 2017, 12:56:47
Quote from: dante on Tue, 21 March 2017, 13:44:24
Massdrop just started a GB for Kaihua Kailh Speed switches:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kaihua-kailh-speed-switches?mode=guest_open

I'm definitely picking up some. I am tired of waiting for Cherry to make their MX Silvers available.

nooo, i missed it :'(

Check ot r/mk, there are a few shops out there that are stocking most of the Kaihua speed switches.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Ein on Mon, 29 May 2017, 14:51:40: Quote from: dante on Mon, 29 May 2017, 13:03:29
Quote from: Ein on Mon, 29 May 2017, 12:56:47
Quote from: dante on Tue, 21 March 2017, 13:44:24
Massdrop just started a GB for Kaihua Kailh Speed switches:
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kaihua-kailh-speed-switches?mode=guest_open

I'm definitely picking up some. I am tired of waiting for Cherry to make their MX Silvers available.

nooo, i missed it :'(

Check ot r/mk, there are a few shops out there that are stocking most of the Kaihua speed switches.
thank you!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: PollandAkuma on Mon, 29 May 2017, 17:17:33: In contrast to dante, I have no money and lots of time. Are the speeds smoother than gaterons? I need a short linear urgently!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Quardah on Mon, 28 August 2017, 09:57:38: Hey guys.

I'm getting a new board soon, i think it'll be the Ducky One TLK with MX Silver. I'll make sure to come back and report soon :)!
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: mrblond on Fri, 01 September 2017, 11:48:44: How are these compared to blacks? I am using reds now and I am just making way to many typos with my fat fingers when compared to my old board with black switches.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Quardah on Fri, 01 September 2017, 12:45:01: Quote from: mrblond on Fri, 01 September 2017, 11:48:44
How are these compared to blacks? I am using reds now and I am just making way to many typos with my fat fingers when compared to my old board with black switches.

I will let you know very soon. I should be trying the board by september 18th so i'll let you know at that time ok :)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: mrblond on Fri, 01 September 2017, 14:55:53: Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 01 September 2017, 12:45:01
Quote from: mrblond on Fri, 01 September 2017, 11:48:44
How are these compared to blacks? I am using reds now and I am just making way to many typos with my fat fingers when compared to my old board with black switches.

I will let you know very soon. I should be trying the board by september 18th so i'll let you know at that time ok :)

Cool. I was planning on buying semi soon, but I might just wait
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Fri, 01 September 2017, 15:31:41: Are these shorter throw switches available in a tactile switch? I will say that typing on a scissor switch adds about 15wpm to my typing speed.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 01 September 2017, 16:17:04: Quote from: jcoffin1981 on Fri, 01 September 2017, 15:31:41
Are these shorter throw switches available in a tactile switch? I will say that typing on a scissor switch adds about 15wpm to my typing speed.

currently doing a build with the jailhouse blue mod, short throw + tactile (greentech blue switch + jspacers from vankeyboards)
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:04:00: Quote from: Marvellion on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:46:29
I saw some MX Silvers (RGB ones I think) for sale on TaoBao for 1.45 per switch (ouch), no idea about their authenticity although shop was rated very highly.

Just put some silicon balls inside red's.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Marvellion on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:59:41: Quote from: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:04:00
Quote from: Marvellion on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:46:29
I saw some MX Silvers (RGB ones I think) for sale on TaoBao for 1.45 per switch (ouch), no idea about their authenticity although shop was rated very highly.

Just put some silicon balls inside red's.
Lol that sounds so wrong but it could work. Cherry MX Rubber Ball
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 18:20:57: Quote from: Marvellion on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:59:41
Quote from: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:04:00
Quote from: Marvellion on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:46:29
I saw some MX Silvers (RGB ones I think) for sale on TaoBao for 1.45 per switch (ouch), no idea about their authenticity although shop was rated very highly.

Just put some silicon balls inside red's.
Lol that sounds so wrong but it could work. Cherry MX Rubber Ball

I've tried them and sincerely hate the silicon balls inside the bottom of the stem's tube, but, they reduce the full travel and reduce the sound and ping to near nothing. While reading the features of these new silver's most comment sound like reds with something at the bottom of the stem's tube, let say silicon balls. :))
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Marvellion on Fri, 01 September 2017, 18:31:01: Quote from: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 18:20:57
Quote from: Marvellion on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:59:41
Quote from: ideus on Fri, 01 September 2017, 17:04:00
Quote from: Marvellion on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:46:29
I saw some MX Silvers (RGB ones I think) for sale on TaoBao for 1.45 per switch (ouch), no idea about their authenticity although shop was rated very highly.

Just put some silicon balls inside red's.
Lol that sounds so wrong but it could work. Cherry MX Rubber Ball

I've tried them and sincerely hate the silicon balls inside the bottom of the stem's tube, but, they reduce the full travel and reduce the sound and ping to near nothing. While reading the features of these new silver's most comment sound like reds with something at the bottom of the stem's tube, let say silicon balls. :))
That would be silent reds I think, silvers just have a shorter travel. Silent Reds and Blacks have that weird bottom out feeling. Now that I think, silicon balls mushiness explain the feeling perfectly. Not rubbery and more firmer.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Merranza on Wed, 06 September 2017, 08:47:55: Those expecting more WPM with silvers will probably be disappointed. The difference is way more in feel than in performance.

I've owned a K70 with reds and a K70 with silvers for a full month and have done close to 100 typing tests comparing them. I've scored identical results (top speed of 104 WPM with reds and 103 WPM with silvers).

The difference is really minor and like I said is more in feel and comfort than in true performance or faster typing experience. In fact, double tapping a key is even slower on silvers than it is on reds due to the actuation travel vs total travel. Add to this the very light but noticeable higher spring resistance of silvers compared to reds and fractions of millimeters travel difference and it honestly gives you pretty much the same results.

I've kept my K70 with reds and returned my K70 with silvers after that trial month.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: uzoc2005 on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:50:22: Talking about fast switches, are any keyboards made with Omrom (mouse) switches?
How would these compare?
The short travel and quiet click would make them the best switches for me.
Title: Re: Cherry MX Silver Switches - Appreciation & Discussion Thread
Post by: Quardah on Tue, 19 September 2017, 13:30:58: Quote from: Quardah on Fri, 01 September 2017, 12:45:01
Quote from: mrblond on Fri, 01 September 2017, 11:48:44
How are these compared to blacks? I am using reds now and I am just making way to many typos with my fat fingers when compared to my old board with black switches.

I will let you know very soon. I should be trying the board by september 18th so i'll let you know at that time ok :)

Me again! Currently typing this on MX Silver as we speak (Ducky One Side Print TLK MX Silver). It's good, very good. This new iteration of MX switch is very refreshing.

While it took a moment to get used to it, the threshold (lower in mm, higher physically) gets comfortable fast. Very fast. For the light touch-type kind of typist in here, it is really something you should consider.

It's a linear switch that offers little resistance like the MX Red yet it bottoms out before the actuation point (tactile nod) of an MX Brown. That means it is to be considered very much like a tactile switch, where the actual tactile feedback is bottoming out. I think Cherry realized most people just bottom out on the keyboard, therefore raised the threshold and that what you end up with.

Versus my current favorite (MX Brown), it feels somewhat home, as instead of the tactile register bump, you bottom out (a little sooner). It's MX after all, therefore i expected it to be very similar.

The claim of faster input is definitely true; you can feel the difference from the get go. Well, you SEE it mostly. It's hard to explain; as i type this, checking the text appearing on the screen, it's not the same pace as with the other MX Brown keyboard. I have no noticeable difference in WPM in between this board and the previous one (MX Brown), yet the text appears more smoothly, faster than previous.

As i read my previous paragraph i understand it sounds confusing lol, but i am having a hard time explaining the difference.

The input is registered faster but bottoming out sooner doesn't magically make me type faster. Does that make sense?

Oh but one really annoying issue is that whenever i try to press a if i get a little on its left side i might turn on caps lock involuntarily. As it requires very few travel distance to activate the thing, a slight bump does it. Therefore MX Silver is prone to input mistake. That being said, if you aren't very accurate with your typing, MX Silver isn't for you,

On a final/side note, the Ducky One board feels superb. High quality keycaps, high quality casing, well written documentation and the possibility to have every keys as a macro key is nice. It looks classy (white side print on black pbt) and the built in functions are cool. It can emulate a mouse also lol.

Two heights feet are cool too, and there's a route for the Micro-USB Cable if you want it either on the left or right. Overall great board, i highly recommend it. The price is right, just like the poker.

It also came with a set of blue keys for ESC/Enter/Backspace/arrow keys/numpad enter (even on the TKL board).

I guess that's it. Any questions feel free to ask!