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Title: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: macguy80 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 02:13:37
1. Is there any difference in feel between HHKB Pro 2 and HHKB Type S?

2. I read in another another thread on here (though I can't seem to find it in order to quote it properly), in someone's review of the HiPro model, that the HiPro keycaps supposedly made the keystroke even lighter than a "regular" 45g RealForce board, resulting in the potential for increased accidental input. This was just one person's opinion. Can other owners please chime in with their own assessment to this? I definitely do not want accidental input, which is a big part of the reason that I upgraded to a 55g RF board.

Thanks!
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: 1391406 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 02:51:16
The Type S is silenced. The HHKB Pro 2 isn't.
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: need on Tue, 07 March 2017, 03:58:22
Sound difference only I believe, and a softer upstroke with the Type S.

HiPro will makes them easier to actuate, due to the increased weight of the cap.
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: Tactile on Tue, 07 March 2017, 07:00:24
There's obviously a difference in sound so I'll just skip that. The Type S has - not sure how to express this - a more "precise" feel than the regular HHKB. And depending on how new it is, sometimes you can feel the silencing rings sliding in the switch housing, which  is the source of the "scratchy" feeling some people complain of.

The Type S has a typing feel, IMO, very similar to a Realforce, where the regular HHKB feels like no other Topre board.

For the record, I own a Realforce 87UB55, a HHKB, and I'm typing this on my Hasu'd Type S.
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 07 March 2017, 14:00:46
1. Is there any difference in feel between HHKB Pro 2 and HHKB Type S?


not a noticeable one, in my experience

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2. I read in another another thread on here (though I can't seem to find it in order to quote it properly), in someone's review of the HiPro model, that the HiPro keycaps supposedly made the keystroke even lighter than a "regular" 45g RealForce board, resulting in the potential for increased accidental input. This was just one person's opinion. Can other owners please chime in with their own assessment to this? I definitely do not want accidental input, which is a big part of the reason that I upgraded to a 55g RF board.

the keycap is heavier to it's easier to actuate it by a few points of a gram

i never get accidental inputs on my mx reds or my 40g topre, so you'll be fine
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: Geroximo on Tue, 07 March 2017, 16:58:29
1. Is there any difference in feel between HHKB Pro 2 and HHKB Type S?

I own both and they do feel different. Pro2 is smoother and lighter, Type-S more tactile, a bit scratchy which can be fixed by lube. But could just be the difference in age (Pro2 from 2016, Type-S from 2014)
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: macguy80 on Tue, 07 March 2017, 17:21:26

I own both and they do feel different. Pro2 is smoother and lighter, Type-S more tactile, a bit scratchy which can be fixed by lube. But could just be the difference in age (Pro2 from 2016, Type-S from 2014)

Thanks! More tactility is never a bad thing :)

Another question: How long did it take you to get used to the layout? (and by that, I mostly mean the Fn layer)?

I'm not sure how I feel about the lack of dedicated arrow keys, but the rest seems fine to me. Part of me is thinking of getting one of the Lite 2 just as an inexpensive way to get used to the layout, even though I know the feel is not even CLOSE to Topre.
Title: Re: A couple more Topre questions
Post by: y11971alex on Tue, 07 March 2017, 20:34:46
IMO Topre isn't as smooth as some people make it out to be (i.e. it isn't the smoothest switch I know).  It's roughly on par with Blue Alps on that front.

But it does feel very oily.  You can detect friction, and it's smoothed out by what feels like lube, yet the friction is there.  My money is still on beam springs for smoothness.