I think you're just crazy. I've been using GMK for years on boards of all sorts and have never noticed any sound difference aside from alphas/mods.
This has been discussed in the past (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=83570).
I think you're just crazy. I've been using GMK for years on boards of all sorts and have never noticed any sound difference aside from alphas/mods.
Maybe I should make a video for sound comparison? Are you sure you've tried the caps lock row with upside down switches?
I think you're just crazy. I've been using GMK for years on boards of all sorts and have never noticed any sound difference aside from alphas/mods.
Maybe I should make a video for sound comparison? Are you sure you've tried the caps lock row with upside down switches?
My whole LZ is upsidedown switches.
Ive had the same issue also, i avoid all boards with upsidedown switches because of it. Gateron has the same problem also.
Ive had the same issue also, i avoid all boards with upsidedown switches because of it. Gateron has the same problem also.
Well this is horrible news. I was just planning to build a new board this weekend with pandas. There's no way I'm going to put nice switches on a board knowing that this will be an issue with GMK sets. Looks like I'm going to have to hunt down a different PCB. I have several DSA sets that can go on most of these boards, but I had special plans for a GMK set with this new build. Boo.
Ive had the same issue also, i avoid all boards with upsidedown switches because of it. Gateron has the same problem also.
Well this is horrible news. I was just planning to build a new board this weekend with pandas. There's no way I'm going to put nice switches on a board knowing that this will be an issue with GMK sets. Looks like I'm going to have to hunt down a different PCB. I have several DSA sets that can go on most of these boards, but I had special plans for a GMK set with this new build. Boo.
Yeah for sure grab a new PCB, boards with upsidedown switches are just not meant for Cherry profile caps. All Cherry profile caps have the issue also, not only GMK, ive tested OG, BSP and EnjoyPBT and all hit the housing.
I'd just like to point out that Topre keyboards don't have this problem. :p
Title of this thread should be, is there something wrong with all those North led cherry mx keyboard?
Blaming the switches is very closed minded when it is obviously the aftermarket keyboards makers who were wrong!
pretty sure it's the LEDs that interfere with bottoming out. The housing on the leaf-contact side is fatter and if there would ever be any interference, the leaf-contact side is more likely to experience that.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5MAvdvF.gif]http://i.imgur.com/5MAvdvF.gif)
Just buy yourself 2x3x4 leds and put them inside the switches. But hey, if you're so determined on getting rid of GMK caps, I'm sure other people will appreciate themShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/7lBmyZQ.jpg?2)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PbYuaOk.jpg?2)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KHh5Uj0.jpg?2)
I have fixed all of my issues by selling stuff and buying stuff.
I've ditched the Satan board for a NERD 60 and I've ended up with Pulse and Chocolatier on my Coolermaster Boards. (Yeah, a nice compromise)
So, I don't have any GMK sets on upside down switches anymore, and all is well. However, I recently trudged over to Massdrop to see the KBD66 with upside down switches and I can't seem to convince anyone there that there is a small compatiblity issue.
Anyone else that can help me point to a thread with more evidence? Anyone else want to speak up about the stupidity of these upside down switches. I'm not conjuring up this evidence. I have personally felt and heard the issue. I can't imagine that others don't notice it.
I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but I would hate for someone to spend all of their money to get a sub-optimal mech experience :)
I have fixed all of my issues by selling stuff and buying stuff.
I've ditched the Satan board for a NERD 60 and I've ended up with Pulse and Chocolatier on my Coolermaster Boards. (Yeah, a nice compromise)
So, I don't have any GMK sets on upside down switches anymore, and all is well. However, I recently trudged over to Massdrop to see the KBD66 with upside down switches and I can't seem to convince anyone there that there is a small compatiblity issue.
Anyone else that can help me point to a thread with more evidence? Anyone else want to speak up about the stupidity of these upside down switches. I'm not conjuring up this evidence. I have personally felt and heard the issue. I can't imagine that others don't notice it.
I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but I would hate for someone to spend all of their money to get a sub-optimal mech experience :)
I've personally never had any issues. Different people have different sensitivity to these kinds of "issues". Maybe a lot of people don't notice and ignorance will be their bliss. Maybe a lot of people think the difference is insignificant and simply don't care. I don't think it's quite fair for you to determine what is a sub-optimal mech experience for other people. My concern is the type of behavior that tends to take root in MD drop discussions. A couple people will post about their negative experience and everybody starts freaking out without considering, willfully or negligently, that the vocal ones are usually in the minority. I think it gives a lot of products a bad rap, and unnecessarily so.
I have fixed all of my issues by selling stuff and buying stuff.
I've ditched the Satan board for a NERD 60 and I've ended up with Pulse and Chocolatier on my Coolermaster Boards. (Yeah, a nice compromise)
So, I don't have any GMK sets on upside down switches anymore, and all is well. However, I recently trudged over to Massdrop to see the KBD66 with upside down switches and I can't seem to convince anyone there that there is a small compatiblity issue.
Anyone else that can help me point to a thread with more evidence? Anyone else want to speak up about the stupidity of these upside down switches. I'm not conjuring up this evidence. I have personally felt and heard the issue. I can't imagine that others don't notice it.
I should probably just keep my mouth shut, but I would hate for someone to spend all of their money to get a sub-optimal mech experience :)
I've personally never had any issues. Different people have different sensitivity to these kinds of "issues". Maybe a lot of people don't notice and ignorance will be their bliss. Maybe a lot of people think the difference is insignificant and simply don't care. I don't think it's quite fair for you to determine what is a sub-optimal mech experience for other people. My concern is the type of behavior that tends to take root in MD drop discussions. A couple people will post about their negative experience and everybody starts freaking out without considering, willfully or negligently, that the vocal ones are usually in the minority. I think it gives a lot of products a bad rap, and unnecessarily so.
I guess that's true about sensitivity. People have been clipping stabilizers for quite some time now, yet there are who knows how many thousands of keyboards out there with stock cherry stabilizers unclipped and you don't hear anyone complain.
However, I recently trudged over to Massdrop to see the KBD66 with upside down switches and I can't seem to convince anyone there that there is a small compatiblity issue.
However, I recently trudged over to Massdrop to see the KBD66 with upside down switches and I can't seem to convince anyone there that there is a small compatiblity issue.
Yeah it's unfortunate that some people are in denial about the issue for whatever reason. Unable to accept reality I guess.
I mean, it's a well accepted FACT that mx-style switches aren't symmetrical north & south facing so there's obviously a difference. Since GMK/Cherry profile keycaps are so 'lean' it's common sense that something like this has the potential to occur.
Obviously, the issue isn't that great though since not everyone notices it (and some are so hell bent on denying it?)- but it is documented by people like this thread and others. Whether you choose to ignore it or not is up to you- but saying it simply doesn't exist seems disingenuous.
I have boards with both and the difference is super subtle but it definitely does exist.
Just shave down the top of the mx switch housing, it's not load bearing.. or highly structural..
I kept my upside down switch boards. They are now dedicated to SA and DSA caps :)
I have this issue as well. R3 GMK caps seem to bottom out more softly than the taller profiles. I avoid boards with north facing LEDs because of this.
It's easy to test. Just put a R3 GMK cap on any switch and put another one upside down on the switch next to it. They will feel different. As has been mentioned previously, it happens regardless of whether there is an LED or not because the sloped front of the keycap is making contact with the switch housing.
I have this issue as well. R3 GMK caps seem to bottom out more softly than the taller profiles. I avoid boards with north facing LEDs because of this.
It's easy to test. Just put a R3 GMK cap on any switch and put another one upside down on the switch next to it. They will feel different. As has been mentioned previously, it happens regardless of whether there is an LED or not because the sloped front of the keycap is making contact with the switch housing.
QFT!, thank goodness there are us folks who are aware! I basically stopped recommending ducky boards because of this.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WsBnzpQ.jpg)
I basically stopped recommending ducky boards because of this.Does the problem exist with the stock Ducky PBT caps, or only if a user wants to install different keycaps?
I basically stopped recommending ducky boards because of this.Does the problem exist with the stock Ducky PBT caps, or only if a user wants to install different keycaps?
Yeah, they work, but not like they're supposed to. It's like learning what stabilizers SHOULD feel like and never being able to go back to the old mushy/rattly ones.
Yeah, they work, but not like they're supposed to. It's like learning what stabilizers SHOULD feel like and never being able to go back to the old mushy/rattly ones.
Wait....What should a stabilizer feel like?