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Title: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: ekeppel on Thu, 16 March 2017, 14:49:53
This must be a mix-up in photos, otherwise it's the first 1390120 I've seen with LEDs on it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-IBM-PS2-Buckling-Spring-Keyboard-Clicky-Keyboard-1390120-Model-M-RARE-/272592747484

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Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: ander on Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:23:45
It has to be two different keyboards. '120s had no lock lights because the terminal emulators they were used with showed the lock status onscreen (a holdover from the days before keyboard-based lock lights).

You see listings like this regularly, where the title has one p/n and the photos another. The seller may think, "I already have a photo of the front of a Model M, and they all look the same, so why bother taking another?" Sometimes all the photos are of a different board. Either the seller no one cares about such details, or they just don't want to bother.

Another discrepancy you often see is between an auction's title and its description. Here, for example, (http://www.ebay.ca/itm/192124597339) someone's listed an "IBM Wired Keyboard" (no clues there) whose photos show a p/n 1390477, but whose description says it's a 1394167. Obviously they've just copied and pasted a description of Model M features from somewhere else, and not bothered to substitute their board's actual details.

If I were interested in items like these, I'd definitely message the seller before bidding and ask them for the p/n and date of the keyboard they're actually selling. If you then win the auction, but get something you're not expecting, eBay has that documentation to back you up.
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: ekeppel on Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:30:07
I think you're right.  It happens quite a bit, I'm sure.  In fact, sometimes that's the best way to find a deal. :-D

I did message the seller to let them know that they most likely have some photos mixed up.   :thumb:
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: ander on Thu, 16 March 2017, 15:37:43
I think you're right.  It happens quite a bit, I'm sure.  In fact, sometimes that's the best way to find a deal... I did message the seller to let them know that they most likely have some photos mixed up.

LOL—so did I, and who knows how many others did?
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: ander on Sat, 25 March 2017, 04:02:25
Or maybe '120s didn't have lock lights because they were also XT-compatible, so some people used them in place of XT boards, which didn't have LLs either. Or both. Hey, I'm finding my way through the murk of keyboard history along with everyone else.
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: chyros on Sat, 25 March 2017, 08:57:26
Or maybe '120s didn't have lock lights because they were also XT-compatible, so some people used them in place of XT boards, which didn't have LLs either. Or both. Hey, I'm finding my way through the murk of keyboard history along with everyone else.
No, you're right, it's because they're XT models :) .
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: fohat.digs on Sun, 26 March 2017, 20:28:07
I have met this guy. He has a gigantic warehouse and is extremely knowledgeable, but his employees may be sloppy.
He is very proud of his merchandise, but sometimes has great stuff.

Odds are that the label is the keyboard that is for sale here.
Title: Re: This isn't right, is it? 1390120 on eBay with a 1390131 LED window...
Post by: dorkvader on Sat, 08 April 2017, 15:56:03
Or maybe '120s didn't have lock lights because they were also XT-compatible, so some people used them in place of XT boards, which didn't have LLs either. Or both. Hey, I'm finding my way through the murk of keyboard history along with everyone else.

Turns out that 'normal' model Ms are also PC/XT compatible, People on VCF have seen some into the 90s from Lexmark that will still work on a PC/XT! I'm pretty sure the 1390120 is as well, but I don't have an XT around to test it with.