Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:04:34
Dedicated project page (https://oblotzky.github.io/gmk-oblivion/)
The base sets are expected to be 135$, 50$ for the Monochrome addon and 14$ for the Spacebars kit
GMK Oblivion will be available through jchan94's new storefront launching at keyclack.com in the next couple days, more infos here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6786st/news_keyclackcom_is_moving_on_click_bait_read_moar/
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KITS
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Post by: bthezebra on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:06:52
Sent from the love gun.
Post by: eddible on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:07:51
Post by: merintil on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:08:05
And, as always, your renders are super clean looking
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:13:28
Am I right in thinking there's no ISO support here?
UK ISO will be in each of the base kits, but no International.
Post by: eddible on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:14:18
Oh good! Great news!Am I right in thinking there's no ISO support here?
UK ISO will be in each of the base kits, but no International.
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:15:13
100% join this :thumb:
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:19:13
I think the White Alphas look a bit close to Honey well, if the only one can happen I would pick the Dark Alphas one.
100% join this :thumb:
Both alphas will happen. I'm just asking in the feedback which one people lean more towards because it might decide if I want to offer 2 base kits, or 1 modifier kit with alphas seperated so you could get both for cheaper. But so far there aren't too many that want both.
Post by: inosint on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:29:56
Post by: arhetue on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:35:35
Post by: Saiph on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:43:11
Both alphas will happen. I'm just asking in the feedback which one people lean more towards because it might decide if I want to offer 2 base kits, or 1 modifier kit with alphas seperated so you could get both for cheaper. But so far there aren't too many that want both.I want both :D
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:48:02
Post by: Dadrophenia on Tue, 21 March 2017, 15:58:30
Post by: dubious on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:00:00
For some reason, I like the Oblivion alphas in the GMK mockup, but I like the contrast of the Hagaromo alphas in SA. At least that means I wont have to buy both sets of alphas in both profiles :p
I'm sad to see we won't get the cool git/assembly/40bit mods, since this is GMK and they would be pad printed on dark colors. But I'm happy to hear the set will be available in both profiles. It'll be hard not to resist getting both!
Post by: kiwi99 on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:04:45
and from what I've seen usually two alpha sets don't do nearly as well as single large set kits so I would take that in consideration, also a few other things;
1. Do you have an idea for what gmk colours you'd use for the colours (assuming not everything is custom colours)?
2. You wan't to have just text modifiers, have you talked to gmk if they can do this easily? would this require new moulds ?
3. (personal bias) Have you considered another distribution other than Massdrop? It would appeal to me even more being in Canada.
Keep up the good work with this, this is my favourite of the sets you've designed and is most interesting for GMK, personally I don't know how I feel about the removal of icons and secondary text it would be nice to see in a proper gmk render just so its accurate to how it would look.
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:13:01
Nice looking set :). The dark alphas looks better for sure
and from what I've seen usually two alpha sets don't do nearly as well as single large set kits so I would take that in consideration, also a few other things;
1. Do you have an idea for what gmk colours you'd use for the colours (assuming not everything is custom colours)?
2. You wan't to have just text modifiers, have you talked to gmk if they can do this easily? would this require new moulds ?
3. (personal bias) Have you considered another distribution other than Massdrop? It would appeal to me even more being in Canada.
Keep up the good work with this, this is my favourite of the sets you've designed and is most interesting for GMK, personally I don't know how I feel about the removal of icons and secondary text it would be nice to see in a proper gmk render just so its accurate to how it would look.
1. Most will be custom, only white I can use from their library, and dark gray will be same as GMK Carbon. The other 7 will have to be mixed, but I live in Germany and get mail from GMK within a day so sample evaluation will be very quick.
2. Yes, they have some of those molds already, and have said they would add the ones they don't have themselves. I guess since these aren't unique novelties, they'd like to have them in their library for all to access in the future.
3. It won't be Massdrop, more info soon.
Post by: m3ll3n on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:19:07
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:22:49
will there be a monochrome option?
I am considering a Monochrome Addon kit, it will depend on MOQ and price.
Post by: poolside on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:24:25
Post by: davisthegreat on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:28:22
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:32:06
Has another legend color been considered for the 1.25u Fn keycap? Or would that make the bottom row look too fancy?
I tried a couple variations on SA, e.g. with purple added, but it was just too much. One red on each side is perfect.
Any legend concerns on the grey alpha's ???
What do you mean? Are you concerned about contrast or so? I have the color chips beside me, and I'm certain that will not be an issue.
Post by: mbsurfer on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:34:03
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 21 March 2017, 16:58:16
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:00:12
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:09:28
Definitely with icons. Not a GMK set without icons.
Edit:
Definitely the white one, though I agree it may be too close to Penumbra or Honeywell.
But still. Those colors!
Post by: Arallu on Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:17:14
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:24:48
Just saw this and WOW. :eek:
Definitely with icons. Not a GMK set without icons.
Edit:
Definitely the white one, though I agree it may be too close to Penumbra or Honeywell.
But still. Those colors!
You gonna triple that alphas then...
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Post by: msilvv on Tue, 21 March 2017, 17:40:44
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:17:35
Post by: airs on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:20:55
Edit: would love to see icons only rather than text only on the mods.
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:30:51
Post by: ricyuyc on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:33:22
I am interested in dark alpha, please also include monochrome modifiers kit with icons on legends.will there be a monochrome option?
I am considering a Monochrome Addon kit, it will depend on MOQ and price.
Post by: pon10 on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:40:11
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but no International.
that's sad news, was so ready for Oblivion GMK :confused:
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 21 March 2017, 18:45:54
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 21 March 2017, 19:23:09
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If not through MD, you still might want to partner with OCo or Jchan. Too many Paypal issues and getting sidelined because of the amount of money flowing through would suck.
Just seeing this crap happen again, I'm scared of paypal.
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 21 March 2017, 19:34:02
Posted this on Reddit, but cross posting here for visibility:QuoteIf not through MD, you still might want to partner with OCo or Jchan. Too many Paypal issues and getting sidelined because of the amount of money flowing through would suck.
Just seeing this crap happen again, I'm scared of paypal.
No worries, it's not a private GB run from home or so.
Post by: chuckdee on Tue, 21 March 2017, 19:45:44
Posted this on Reddit, but cross posting here for visibility:QuoteIf not through MD, you still might want to partner with OCo or Jchan. Too many Paypal issues and getting sidelined because of the amount of money flowing through would suck.
Just seeing this crap happen again, I'm scared of paypal.
No worries, it's not a private GB run from home or so.
Great to hear, and thanks for answering and getting this up! I'm so in!
Post by: xixihaha2008 on Tue, 21 March 2017, 20:29:15
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Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 March 2017, 20:51:02
Just saw this and WOW. :eek:
Definitely with icons. Not a GMK set without icons.
Edit:
Definitely the white one, though I agree it may be too close to Penumbra or Honeywell.
But still. Those colors!
You gonna triple that alphas then...Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/01/5a/b6015a2ae11e8c776bef4cfa1cd4b92f.jpg)
Okay, so definitely for the dark gray ones, then. :D
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 21 March 2017, 21:14:45
Just saw this and WOW. :eek:
Definitely with icons. Not a GMK set without icons.
Edit:
Definitely the white one, though I agree it may be too close to Penumbra or Honeywell.
But still. Those colors!
You gonna triple that alphas then...Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/b6/01/5a/b6015a2ae11e8c776bef4cfa1cd4b92f.jpg)
Okay, so definitely for the dark gray ones, then. :D
Good!!
Post by: electricsheep on Wed, 22 March 2017, 03:41:50
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Wed, 22 March 2017, 03:44:01
Post by: hansichen on Wed, 22 March 2017, 05:09:43
Post by: Burt Macklin on Wed, 22 March 2017, 07:48:44
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 22 March 2017, 07:57:43
Post by: need on Wed, 22 March 2017, 08:35:40
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 March 2017, 08:55:30
What kind of compatibility can we expect?
MX-type stems.
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 22 March 2017, 10:05:05
Post by: afrokobe on Wed, 22 March 2017, 10:11:06
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 22 March 2017, 10:19:04
Post by: Ouhei on Wed, 22 March 2017, 10:33:41
On the SA set the labels were centered and in this set they do not seem to be. Is that set in stone or is it a requirement of GMK or what? IMHO it looks far better with centered labels.This is a GMK thing afaik. I prefer the centered legends on SA myself as well, but this still looks great.
I loved the white alphas on the SA renders but these I'm leaning dark alphas for some reason. Depending on pricing breakdowns I think it'd be cool to do a modifiers kit and a alphas kit so people could do both without having to buy duplicate modifiers.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 22 March 2017, 10:40:43
On the SA set the labels were centered and in this set they do not seem to be. Is that set in stone or is it a requirement of GMK or what? IMHO it looks far better with centered labels.
They would not be centered, correct. It would not match with the other keys (alphas, TKL stuff etc) which would still be aligned to the left.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Wed, 22 March 2017, 11:39:56
Post by: DannyHuynh on Wed, 22 March 2017, 12:44:30
That's why I think it's great to separate into 3 kits, mod, white alpha, and dark alpha
Post by: skitty on Wed, 22 March 2017, 12:47:52
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 22 March 2017, 13:24:09
On the SA set the labels were centered and in this set they do not seem to be. Is that set in stone or is it a requirement of GMK or what? IMHO it looks far better with centered labels.
They would not be centered, correct. It would not match with the other keys (alphas, TKL stuff etc) which would still be aligned to the left.
Thanks for clarification. For me all keys would need to be centered so thats a deal breaker for me, just personal preference on my part.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 22 March 2017, 13:37:03
If possible, I just want the modifier ;D.
That's why I think it's great to separate into 3 kits, mod, white alpha, and dark alpha
I definitely agree actually - I know that's not common practice far as GMK buys go but with such a set I feel it may be warranted for 2 reasons;
1. there should be enough keys in each to make each kit reasonably priced, hopefully.
2. it's a super popular set that I'm sure will see success no matter what so hitting MOQ for each one of those should be no problem at all.
If that's possible then that'd be great.
Post by: need on Wed, 22 March 2017, 13:37:13
What kind of compatibility can we expect?
MX-type stems.
dude, in terms of layout obviously.
Post by: Acerk on Wed, 22 March 2017, 13:56:03
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 22 March 2017, 14:46:29
What kind of compatibility can we expect?
MX-type stems.
dude, in terms of layout obviously.
Very broad, 155 keys in the base sets right now. Will post them soon after more communication with GMK.
Think it would be better if the dark one had black legends.
Are you insane
Post by: Acerk on Wed, 22 March 2017, 16:34:52
Are you insaneYeah, man. Every GMK group buy this last year has looked like a McDonald's play room for adults with ass burger.
GET EXTREME! LEDS EVERYWHERE! BRIGHT COLORZ! WOW! BLINDING! GAME HARD! NEXT LEVEL!
Last year on GeeHack:
Organizer: Remember that one group buy?
GeekHack: Yeah.
Organizer: Imagine instead of that one color, a slightly different color!
GeekHack: *Goes ballistic*
Sirens: Pew-pew-peeeeuuuuw
Organizer: *Drops mic*
GeekHack: 1.000.000 orders
But yeah, my feedback is buck the trend and go for timeless black legends. You're welcome!
Post by: m3ll3n on Wed, 22 March 2017, 19:21:08
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 22 March 2017, 19:25:22
Oblotzky, what's the color code for the off-white legends on the oblivion alphas? T9? Thanks.
KEYCAP COLORS:
GMK-CP for White Alphas,
SP-GD for Gray Alphas,
SP-GQM (same as Carbon gray) for Modifiers,
LEGEND COLORS:
GMK-T9 for beige,
SP-OAV (orange/red)
SP-RCJ (purple)
SP-VAT (green)
SP-YBP (yellow)
SP-BFN (blue)
SP stuff (except for GQM which already exists due to Carbon) will have to be mixed.
Post by: kmba on Wed, 22 March 2017, 21:20:15
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 23 March 2017, 03:00:12
MoreKEYCAP COLORS:
GMK-CP for White Alphas,
SP-GD for Gray Alphas,
SP-GQM (same as Carbon gray) for Modifiers,
LEGEND COLORS:
GMK-T9 for beige,
SP-OAV (orange/red)
SP-RCJ (purple)
SP-VAT (green)
SP-YBP (yellow)
SP-BFN (blue)
SP stuff (except for GQM which already exists due to Carbon) will have to be mixed.
so this is pretty much a completely custom set
Post by: gadzkun on Thu, 23 March 2017, 04:02:24
Post by: rondg on Thu, 23 March 2017, 07:01:00
Post by: colbs on Thu, 23 March 2017, 07:42:39
Post by: Ouhei on Thu, 23 March 2017, 08:09:12
While I agree that a lot of sets that people go gaga over have too many weird colors, I disagree that this sell falls into that category. There's nothing flashy about white legends, and they're white to match the color scheme that this set is inspired by, so using black legends would kind of miss the point of the set.Are you insaneYeah, man. Every GMK group buy this last year has looked like a McDonald's play room for adults with ass burger.
GET EXTREME! LEDS EVERYWHERE! BRIGHT COLORZ! WOW! BLINDING! GAME HARD! NEXT LEVEL!
Last year on GeeHack:
Organizer: Remember that one group buy?
GeekHack: Yeah.
Organizer: Imagine instead of that one color, a slightly different color!
GeekHack: *Goes ballistic*
Sirens: Pew-pew-peeeeuuuuw
Organizer: *Drops mic*
GeekHack: 1.000.000 orders
But yeah, my feedback is buck the trend and go for timeless black legends. You're welcome!
Post by: Acerk on Thu, 23 March 2017, 12:13:10
While I agree that a lot of sets that people go gaga over have too many weird colors, I disagree that this sell falls into that category. There's nothing flashy about white legends, and they're white to match the color scheme that this set is inspired by, so using black legends would kind of miss the point of the set.
I don't know. I just get annoyed as hell waiting for a group buy for an understated GMK set, and every time I come here there's several new interest checks and group buys for variations of the same tired themes. Just beating a dead horse. Meanwhile, carbon black has been very popular on Realforce and HHKB keyboards, but no one has tried that for a GMK group buy. When people in hobbyist communities get more opportunities to customize their ****, they always move in the direction of infinite gaudiness. Two years from now, every set has to have at least 14 different colors, otherwise the people here will complain that it's unoriginal and doesn't quite tell their life story to people who may see their keyboards.
Classic Beige is better.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 23 March 2017, 12:16:36
Post by: merintil on Thu, 23 March 2017, 12:42:47
While I agree that a lot of sets that people go gaga over have too many weird colors, I disagree that this sell falls into that category. There's nothing flashy about white legends, and they're white to match the color scheme that this set is inspired by, so using black legends would kind of miss the point of the set.
I don't know. I just get annoyed as hell waiting for a group buy for an understated GMK set, and every time I come here there's several new interest checks and group buys for variations of the same tired themes. Just beating a dead horse. Meanwhile, carbon black has been very popular on Realforce and HHKB keyboards, but no one has tried that for a GMK group buy. When people in hobbyist communities get more opportunities to customize their ****, they always move in the direction of infinite gaudiness. Two years from now, every set has to have at least 14 different colors, otherwise the people here will complain that it's unoriginal and doesn't quite tell their life story to people who may see their keyboards.
Classic Beige is better.
I definitely see where you are coming from. I think I even agree with you. At the same time, I also see other GBs (e.g. GMK Muted) that have an understated look or is not outstandingly gaudy. I may not prefer GMK Skeletor or whatever, but I do think that Oblivion isn't on that same level. I'll admit that I actually really like the colors on Oblivion, but I think they accent the keycaps rather than take the focus away from the main color of the alphas and the mods.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 23 March 2017, 13:48:00
While I agree that a lot of sets that people go gaga over have too many weird colors, I disagree that this sell falls into that category. There's nothing flashy about white legends, and they're white to match the color scheme that this set is inspired by, so using black legends would kind of miss the point of the set.
I don't know. I just get annoyed as hell waiting for a group buy for an understated GMK set, and every time I come here there's several new interest checks and group buys for variations of the same tired themes. Just beating a dead horse. Meanwhile, carbon black has been very popular on Realforce and HHKB keyboards, but no one has tried that for a GMK group buy. When people in hobbyist communities get more opportunities to customize their ****, they always move in the direction of infinite gaudiness. Two years from now, every set has to have at least 14 different colors, otherwise the people here will complain that it's unoriginal and doesn't quite tell their life story to people who may see their keyboards.
Classic Beige is better.
I definitely see where you are coming from. I think I even agree with you. At the same time, I also see other GBs (e.g. GMK Muted) that have an understated look or is not outstandingly gaudy. I may not prefer GMK Skeletor or whatever, but I do think that Oblivion isn't on that same level. I'll admit that I actually really like the colors on Oblivion, but I think they accent the keycaps rather than take the focus away from the main color of the alphas and the mods.
here's another subtle set. i think it will be popular
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87842
Post by: kmba on Thu, 23 March 2017, 13:54:06
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 23 March 2017, 13:54:41
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 23 March 2017, 14:20:09
After evaluating the feedback, I have created the kits and sent them off to GMK. We just received the quotes and the pricing looks nice! I will now create more keyboard renders for a reveal of kits + moq + pricing on the weekend.
Post by: kmba on Thu, 23 March 2017, 14:29:28
Good news everyone!
After evaluating the feedback, I have created the kits and sent them off to GMK. We just received the quotes and the pricing looks nice! I will now create more keyboard renders for a reveal of kits + moq + pricing on the weekend.
SAAAAAAAAAA
WEEEEEEEEEET
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 25 March 2017, 15:40:25
(http://i.imgur.com/EuestLh.jpg)
Post by: oatmicro on Sat, 25 March 2017, 16:27:57
sneaky peaky for tomorrowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EuestLh.jpg)
:eek:
Why the heck my :eek: doesn't work????
Post by: Liocer on Sat, 25 March 2017, 17:31:14
Post by: ideus on Sat, 25 March 2017, 18:24:31
Post by: romevi on Sat, 25 March 2017, 19:02:08
sneaky peaky for tomorrowShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/EuestLh.jpg)
They look like G20 caps.
Post by: pon10 on Sat, 25 March 2017, 21:01:29
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 March 2017, 21:08:42
Still no Norde kit? :'( :'( :'(
NORDE kit for a GMK buy, especially one that's not being ran through Massdrop, is beyond wishful thinking I'm afraid.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 25 March 2017, 21:11:53
Anyway we can get a render on a black KB instead of grey?
Post by: pon10 on Sat, 25 March 2017, 21:45:37
Still no Norde kit? :'( :'( :'(
NORDE kit for a GMK buy, especially one that's not being ran through Massdrop, is beyond wishful thinking I'm afraid.
I know, its unfortunate :'( but one could hope since the popularity of oblivion!:) the problem last time with terminal, that it was doomed hehe, shutting the gb down for the int'l kit halfway in especially when its not on massdrop..
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 26 March 2017, 06:02:11
Still no Norde kit? :'( :'( :'(
NORDE kit for a GMK buy, especially one that's not being ran through Massdrop, is beyond wishful thinking I'm afraid.
Plus that there are two alpha colors.
Post by: pon10 on Sun, 26 March 2017, 07:57:24
Still no Norde kit? :'( :'( :'(
NORDE kit for a GMK buy, especially one that's not being ran through Massdrop, is beyond wishful thinking I'm afraid.
Plus that there are two alpha colors.
I know man! it will be tough.. i would be happy just with one alpha color to choose from :)
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 26 March 2017, 08:19:51
GB launches in 2 weeks or so, maybe a bit earlier. Vendor will come forth soonish.
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sun, 26 March 2017, 08:48:59
Edit: Forgot to say that but your renders look great. Depending on the price I might join.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 26 March 2017, 08:55:44
I might have missed that bit of information but where are you going to sell that kit? I just know that it won't be on MD.
Edit: Forgot to say that but your renders look great. Depending on the price I might join.
Pricing is visible in the first post. Vendor will come forth in about a weeks time.
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:22:31
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:26:43
No Icon on legends for monochrome kit... :(
Why would I ditch them on the colored modifiers, but not the monochrome ones?
Post by: romevi on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:34:21
No Icon on legends for monochrome kit... :(
Why would I ditch them on the colored modifiers, but not the monochrome ones?
Why would you ditch them at all? :/
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:42:35
bcoz monochrome modifiers are generic enough to matchup with other keysets alpha, it do also give GMK oblivion a different outlook when incorporated with classic icons.No Icon on legends for monochrome kit... :(
Why would I ditch them on the colored modifiers, but not the monochrome ones?
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 26 March 2017, 09:44:54
Post by: lecorsair on Sun, 26 March 2017, 12:09:59
Are you insaneYeah, man. Every GMK group buy this last year has looked like a McDonald's play room for adults with ass burger.
GET EXTREME! LEDS EVERYWHERE! BRIGHT COLORZ! WOW! BLINDING! GAME HARD! NEXT LEVEL!
Last year on GeeHack:
Organizer: Remember that one group buy?
GeekHack: Yeah.
Organizer: Imagine instead of that one color, a slightly different color!
GeekHack: *Goes ballistic*
Sirens: Pew-pew-peeeeuuuuw
Organizer: *Drops mic*
GeekHack: 1.000.000 orders
But yeah, my feedback is buck the trend and go for timeless black legends. You're welcome!
While I do agree with you there were sets put forth seemingly in the haphazard manner that you described, I can not disagree more with regards to Oblivion. If you read through his posts, at any given stages, you clearly sees that he's not only taking and considering various feedbacks but also explaining nuances for particular design decisions.
Post by: mrboovn on Sun, 26 March 2017, 12:27:02
Post by: oatmicro on Sun, 26 March 2017, 12:39:30
this feeling shouldn't happen, my wallet is not ready for that.
Post by: finalarcadia on Sun, 26 March 2017, 13:39:56
Post by: poolside on Sun, 26 March 2017, 17:56:41
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Mon, 27 March 2017, 10:33:56
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still... I have to ask my wallet for permission :-X
Post by: ideus on Mon, 27 March 2017, 13:01:07
I admit that I'm (too) excited for this
(Attachment Link)
still... I have to ask my wallet for permission :-X
If it is not too much trouble, is there any chance you can get rendered this layout:
(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
Post by: Ouhei on Mon, 27 March 2017, 13:16:40
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 27 March 2017, 14:34:21
(http://i.imgur.com/wUyKLRx.jpg)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 27 March 2017, 16:27:29
this one stopped me in my tracks... O_o would look hella nice on VE.A can we get a couple R4 blanks for spacebars?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wUyKLRx.jpg)
Does the spacebar kit not cover it?
(http://i.imgur.com/zxCNWjr.jpg)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 27 March 2017, 16:53:22
this one stopped me in my tracks... O_o would look hella nice on VE.A can we get a couple R4 blanks for spacebars?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wUyKLRx.jpg)
Does the spacebar kit not cover it?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zxCNWjr.jpg)
oh! i should have known you already thought of this. yes, the 2.75 and 2u bars cover it. thanks!
Post by: chalks on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:00:04
this one stopped me in my tracks... O_o would look hella nice on VE.A can we get a couple R4 blanks for spacebars?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wUyKLRx.jpg)
Does the spacebar kit not cover it?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zxCNWjr.jpg)
The image says the last row of blanks is R1. Is that intentional or should they be R4?
Post by: m3ll3n on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:17:56
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 27 March 2017, 17:23:38
this one stopped me in my tracks... O_o would look hella nice on VE.A can we get a couple R4 blanks for spacebars?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wUyKLRx.jpg)
Does the spacebar kit not cover it?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zxCNWjr.jpg)
The image says the last row of blanks is R1. Is that intentional or should they be R4?
Correct, I'll get that fixed
Post by: Tom_Kazansky on Tue, 28 March 2017, 09:18:53
I admit that I'm (too) excited for this
(Attachment Link)
still... I have to ask my wallet for permission :-X
If it is not too much trouble, is there any chance you can get rendered this layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
that was photoshop-ed :p
here you go:
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it seems there is no R3 "` ~", only "# ~"
and no "Alt Gr"
and... your layout has no Control? :eek:
Post by: smart5088 on Tue, 28 March 2017, 15:03:21
Post by: ideus on Tue, 28 March 2017, 16:37:31
I admit that I'm (too) excited for this
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still... I have to ask my wallet for permission :-X
If it is not too much trouble, is there any chance you can get rendered this layout:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oTgbecv.png)
that was photoshop-ed :p
here you go:
(Attachment Link)
it seems there is no R3 "` ~", only "# ~"
and no "Alt Gr"
and... your layout has no Control? :o
Thank you very much! The layout belongs to a different set to Oblivion, it is actually a Dolch from a recent GB that has the R3 `~ and the Alt Gr. Control swaps for the caps lock.
Edit: Something like this, but in Dolch colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/p8kbXJx.jpg)
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 29 March 2017, 10:45:00
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 29 March 2017, 10:50:59
Sorry if this has been asked, haven't followed the thread too closely. Is there only a dark version of the spacebar kit or will there be a version for the white color as well?
The spacebar kit is in Modifier color only, not in Alphas color.
Post by: Saiph on Wed, 29 March 2017, 11:43:48
Oh I see, didn't look at it closely enough haha. Thanks!Sorry if this has been asked, haven't followed the thread too closely. Is there only a dark version of the spacebar kit or will there be a version for the white color as well?
The spacebar kit is in Modifier color only, not in Alphas color.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 29 March 2017, 18:22:58
(http://i.imgur.com/fwYK0cp.png)
Post by: ironpup on Wed, 29 March 2017, 21:42:20
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 30 March 2017, 00:36:31
Does GMK not have tooling for R4 Caps Lock or R2 Backspace?
I will check regarding R2 1.5u Backspace, but what keyboard would a R4 Caps Lock be for? Also what key size? 1.25u?
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 30 March 2017, 03:56:09
Other than that, GMK Oblivion completely works for the UHK. If anyone has suggestions about getting a gray Enter with Green colored legend then I am all ears. The UHK layout is such a mess! Which is why I plan to buy at least 7 kits for SA Oblivion.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 30 March 2017, 10:46:42
I am going to throw this onto an Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (ISO), which has a horribly unconventional layout on the right modifiers (https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/uhk-iso-layout.svg). A 1.5u Backspace would be nice despite me needing it in R1 profile, but if not I'll make do with the R2 1.5u Delete in its place (please include the 1.5u Backspace). I'll get two spacebar kits for the 1.75u spacebars and the 2.25u R4 Ctrl. The only key I have not yet figured out is Enter. There is no such thing as a 1.75u Enter key from what I can tell, and I really want a green legend key in its place.
Other than that, GMK Oblivion completely works for the UHK. If anyone has suggestions about getting a gray Enter with Green colored legend then I am all ears. The UHK layout is such a mess! Which is why I plan to buy at least 7 kits for SA Oblivion.
That keyboard was not designed considering the needs of people like us. I recalled one of the designers dismissing a comment of someone that wrote about having standardized key sizes for upgrading the key caps, saying that key caps was a minor diversion they do not care about and that they think just a niche of people wanted to change key caps in an otherwise terrific keyboard.
Post by: DannyHuynh on Thu, 30 March 2017, 12:46:00
While we're at that, I wonder if the addon set can be a full mod set like the Electric Bluegaloo? That mod set was $47
(http://i.imgur.com/DvVhjIJ.png)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 30 March 2017, 13:25:30
Can you add the color addons set along with the monochrome set?
While we're at that, I wonder if the addon set can be a full mod set like the Electric Bluegaloo? That mod set was $47Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvVhjIJ.png)
Uuuuuh, what for? I don't think 250 people will want to buy modifiers only.
Post by: DannyHuynh on Thu, 30 March 2017, 13:30:57
Can you add the color addons set along with the monochrome set?
While we're at that, I wonder if the addon set can be a full mod set like the Electric Bluegaloo? That mod set was $47Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DvVhjIJ.png)
Uuuuuh, what for? I don't think 250 people will want to buy modifiers only.
Well, you can create a poll. I think there are many people just want the accent color like me. Similar thing with GMK Penumbra
Post by: atomicus on Thu, 30 March 2017, 13:39:13
Post by: Saiph on Thu, 30 March 2017, 13:53:24
Having never used a GMK set before, how long before these may start to exhibit the ABS shine?Depends on the person but not that long, a few months for me on the most commonly used keys. I like how it looks though.
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 30 March 2017, 14:14:45
Having never used a GMK set before, how long before these may start to exhibit the ABS shine?Depends on the person but not that long, a few months for me on the most commonly used keys. I like how it looks though.
Yeah, my WASD keys started to shine about 2 months in. Heavy daily use ofc.
Post by: poolside on Thu, 30 March 2017, 17:41:43
Does GMK not have tooling for R4 Caps Lock or R2 Backspace?
I will check regarding R2 1.5u Backspace, but what keyboard would a R4 Caps Lock be for? Also what key size? 1.25u?
FC660 keyboards can swap CapsLock and Control. So, 1.25u, but 1.5u would also be nice for CapsLock/Ctrl swappers typing on programmable WKL-layout boards.
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 30 March 2017, 18:33:34
Having never used a GMK set before, how long before these may start to exhibit the ABS shine?Depends on the person but not that long, a few months for me on the most commonly used keys. I like how it looks though.
Yeah, my WASD keys started to shine about 2 months in. Heavy daily use ofc.
I have GMK on my board at work and at home under heavy use, and they haven't started to shine yet, and it's been 4 months?
Post by: ironpup on Thu, 30 March 2017, 22:23:55
Does GMK not have tooling for R4 Caps Lock or R2 Backspace?
I will check regarding R2 1.5u Backspace, but what keyboard would a R4 Caps Lock be for? Also what key size? 1.25u?
Thanks, that would avoid an awkward Delete Delete scenario for 65% users (Whitefox True Fox) The R4 Caps Lock would be if you want to switch Control and Caps Lock. And yeah, a 1.25u would be perfect :thumb:
Post by: Saiph on Fri, 31 March 2017, 09:18:29
I have GMK on my board at work and at home under heavy use, and they haven't started to shine yet, and it's been 4 months?I think it just varies person to person due to the oils our fingers produce.
Post by: a_ak57 on Fri, 31 March 2017, 09:32:26
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 09:49:15
I also agree with R2 1.5u Backspace instead of Delete, I imagine most people who use an HHKB-layout use that key as BS.
I have inquired GMK about it, I'll use it if the legend exists. But I think it does as Honeywell uses it too.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:44:02
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:46:27
any chance we can get an iso layout?! i am really interested in this but the lack of iso kinda sucks :/
Only ISO UK as you can see. No nordic etc because MOQ 150 is very difficult to hit, plus there are 2 alpha colors so a total of 300 kits would need to be sold, and I don't see that happening. Sorry!
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:48:46
any chance we can get an iso layout?! i am really interested in this but the lack of iso kinda sucks :/
Only ISO UK as you can see. No nordic etc because MOQ 150 is very difficult to hit, plus there are 2 alpha colors so a total of 300 kits would need to be sold, and I don't see that happening. Sorry!
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:52:46
I see. UK ISO is also 1.25, 1 on the left right? no 2.25 shift.any chance we can get an iso layout?! i am really interested in this but the lack of iso kinda sucks :/
Only ISO UK as you can see. No nordic etc because MOQ 150 is very difficult to hit, plus there are 2 alpha colors so a total of 300 kits would need to be sold, and I don't see that happening. Sorry!
Correct, you'll see all those keys in the bottom right corner of the base-kit render.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:55:13
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:56:46
I see. but then again the bigass enter key bothers me ahahaha and I am typing in german language so.. hmm, can you sign me up for a standard base kit ? :)
You'll be able to place an order in about a week when the group buy goes live :) There will be a link to it and everything, don't worry.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:57:32
I see. but then again the bigass enter key bothers me ahahaha and I am typing in german language so.. hmm, can you sign me up for a standard base kit ? :)
You'll be able to place an order in about a week when the group buy goes live :) There will be a link to it and everything, don't worry.
Post by: johnthedong on Fri, 31 March 2017, 10:57:43
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:14:23
good stuff. are the orders being shipped directly from GMK? because i live a couple hours away hehI see. but then again the bigass enter key bothers me ahahaha and I am typing in german language so.. hmm, can you sign me up for a standard base kit ? :)
You'll be able to place an order in about a week when the group buy goes live :) There will be a link to it and everything, don't worry.
Sadly no, the orders will be shipped from USA and asia will have it's own proxy. For germans such as you and me this will only increase the shipping time by about a week, and shipping cost itself from something like 7 to 20 dollars. Not too terrible I'd say considering this is still a niece hobby where you have to expect unfortunate things like this.
Any way to just get the monochrome kit+modifiers? ;D Really interested!
Sorry but no, the kit's will stay as they are shown in the first post. The only change in the past couple days was adding a R3 Home, R4 End, and stepped capslock with LED window.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:33:46
Sadly no, the orders will be shipped from USA and asia will have it's own proxy. For germans such as you and me this will only increase the shipping time by about a week, and shipping cost itself from something like 7 to 20 dollars. Not too terrible I'd say considering this is still a niece hobby where you have to expect unfortunate things like this.
Post by: johnthedong on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:36:02
Any way to just get the monochrome kit+modifiers? ;D Really interested!
Sorry but no, the kit's will stay as they are shown in the first post. The only change in the past couple days was adding a R3 Home, R4 End, and stepped capslock with LED window.
Ah, just realized after browsing your site that the monochrome option is basically an addon in terms of the modifiers. :D This is exactly what I wanted! Thanks!
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:40:55
Wow.. Really? sag mir jetzt nicht dass ich sogar Zoll zahlen muss.. ? das ist ja mega blöd wenn die uns nicht direkt die sets verschicken könnten..
Sadly no, the orders will be shipped from USA and asia will have it's own proxy. For germans such as you and me this will only increase the shipping time by about a week, and shipping cost itself from something like 7 to 20 dollars. Not too terrible I'd say considering this is still a niece hobby where you have to expect unfortunate things like this.
Oh boy, this topic again. For the non-germans, he is complaining about import taxes.
For the 10th time, there is no difference between paying Import taxes and paying VAT.
Scenario 1:
You buy the set from a german vendor for 133$ plus 19% VAT and 7$ shipping, you end up paying 165.27$
Scenario 2:
You buy the set from a american vendor for 133$, pay 19% import taxes and 20$ shipping, you end up paying 178.27$
The difference, as I said before, is the longer shipping time and higher shipping cost itself, taxes are the exact same amount, at least for us germans as I pointed out because some countries also have a flat import fee that are additional to the 19% or whatever it is for that country.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 11:43:23
Any way to just get the monochrome kit+modifiers? ;D Really interested!
Sorry but no, the kit's will stay as they are shown in the first post. The only change in the past couple days was adding a R3 Home, R4 End, and stepped capslock with LED window.
Ah, just realized after browsing your site that the monochrome option is basically an addon in terms of the modifiers. :D This is exactly what I wanted! Thanks!
Glad you found what you needed, but please keep in mind that the monochrome addon kit only replaced the otherwise colored keys of the base kit. Stuff like PageUp, Delete, Insert etc are not part of it.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:05:19
Assuming a german vendor. GMK wants $133 per set. Sets are shipped from GMK to the vendor, vendor forwards my set to me and i have to pay another $7 shipping. What's the 19% VAT for?
Assuming american vendor. Vendor ships the set back to Germany to me, i have to pay for ~$20 shipping + import fees.
What am I missing?
Wow.. Really? sag mir jetzt nicht dass ich sogar Zoll zahlen muss.. ? das ist ja mega blöd wenn die uns nicht direkt die sets verschicken könnten..
Sadly no, the orders will be shipped from USA and asia will have it's own proxy. For germans such as you and me this will only increase the shipping time by about a week, and shipping cost itself from something like 7 to 20 dollars. Not too terrible I'd say considering this is still a niece hobby where you have to expect unfortunate things like this.
Oh boy, this topic again. For the non-germans, he is complaining about import taxes.
For the 10th time, there is no difference between paying Import taxes and paying VAT.
Scenario 1:
You buy the set from a german vendor for 133$ plus 19% VAT and 7$ shipping, you end up paying 165.27$
Scenario 2:
You buy the set from a american vendor for 133$, pay 19% import taxes and 20$ shipping, you end up paying 178.27$
The difference, as I said before, is the longer shipping time and higher shipping cost itself, taxes are the exact same amount, at least for us germans as I pointed out because some countries also have a flat import fee that are additional to the 19% or whatever it is for that country.
Post by: ChitownM2 on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:14:05
Sorry, still not clear. I have almost no idea how a GB is ran. Please bare with me.
Assuming a german vendor. GMK wants $133 per set. Sets are shipped from GMK to the vendor, vendor forwards my set to me and i have to pay another $7 shipping. What's the 19% VAT for?
Assuming american vendor. Vendor ships the set back to Germany to me, i have to pay for ~$20 shipping + import fees.
What am I missing?
No expert on this subject as I'm in the U.S., but the $133 price does not include the VAT as it is being shipped outside the country and thus not subject to the tax. If the kit was being sent to a vendor in germany, the price wouldn't be $133. it would be $133 + 19% tax.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:39:33
Sorry, still not clear. I have almost no idea how a GB is ran. Please bare with me.
Assuming a german vendor. GMK wants $133 per set. Sets are shipped from GMK to the vendor, vendor forwards my set to me and i have to pay another $7 shipping. What's the 19% VAT for?
Assuming american vendor. Vendor ships the set back to Germany to me, i have to pay for ~$20 shipping + import fees.
What am I missing?
No expert on this subject as I'm in the U.S., but the $133 price does not include the VAT as it is being shipped outside the country and thus not subject to the tax. If the kit was being sent to a vendor in germany, the price wouldn't be $133. it would be $133 + 19% tax.
Correct, the expected 133$ price is without VAT. Pretty much all the prices you see around in this hobby exclude VAT because it's being shipped all around the world where different taxes are applied.
GMK sells to the vendor I run this set through at bulk price. The vendor then adds X amount to cover labor and of course a profit margin which ends up at a total of 133$. Then he sells to you without taxes, you'll pay them yourself at customs.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:43:20
Sorry, still not clear. I have almost no idea how a GB is ran. Please bare with me.
Assuming a german vendor. GMK wants $133 per set. Sets are shipped from GMK to the vendor, vendor forwards my set to me and i have to pay another $7 shipping. What's the 19% VAT for?
Assuming american vendor. Vendor ships the set back to Germany to me, i have to pay for ~$20 shipping + import fees.
What am I missing?
No expert on this subject as I'm in the U.S., but the $133 price does not include the VAT as it is being shipped outside the country and thus not subject to the tax. If the kit was being sent to a vendor in germany, the price wouldn't be $133. it would be $133 + 19% tax.
Correct, the expected 133$ price is without VAT. Pretty much all the prices you see around in this hobby exclude VAT because it's being shipped all around the world where different taxes are applied.
GMK sells to the vendor I run this set through at bulk price. The vendor then adds X amount to cover labor and of course a profit margin which ends up at a total of 133$. Then he sells to you without taxes, you'll pay them yourself at customs.
Post by: ehmlis on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:47:31
[...]
Scenario 1:
You buy the set from a german vendor for 133$ plus 19% VAT and 7$ shipping, you end up paying 165.27$
Scenario 2:
You buy the set from a american vendor for 133$, pay 19% import taxes and 20$ shipping, you end up paying 178.27$
[...]
Scenario 3: You live in Sweden and get royally ****ed. $133 for the set from an American vendor, ~$20 in shipping cost, between 0-20% import tax depending on the kind of product, in this case ~10%, on both keyset and shipping cost. Then you also have to pay 25% in VAT, on both the keyset, the shipping and the import fee. Additionally you have to pay a fee of ~$14 to the shipping company for their 'service' of filling out the import form for you. So in total ~$225.
Scenario 4: You live in Sweden and buy it from a German vendor. You pay $133 for the set, the 19% German VAT, maybe ~$10 shipping, and then no import tax, no extra Swedish VAT and no extra fee to the shipping company. In total ~$168.
That's $57 I, as a Swede, have to pay for no good reason. If I buy, say, three different GMK sets from the US instead of Germany, I've paid for a fourth set in taxes.
I do, however, get it. This is a niche hobby and the community is much larger in the US and it's cheaper for them to just buy it from a vendor in their own country when there is no German VAT applied, and therefore you get more people buying the set. But it would be nice with an EU-proxy, especially when you aren't running it through Massdrop. I mean, sure, $57 isn't that much money, but I can do more fun things with it instead of paying unnecessary taxes and import fees.
All in all it's a nice set, even though I like the SA version more. Good luck with the GB :)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:47:58
unless you have them declare it low value to avoid those import taxes... are you sure import is only 19% here in germany? anyway thanks for clarifying.Sorry, still not clear. I have almost no idea how a GB is ran. Please bare with me.
Assuming a german vendor. GMK wants $133 per set. Sets are shipped from GMK to the vendor, vendor forwards my set to me and i have to pay another $7 shipping. What's the 19% VAT for?
Assuming american vendor. Vendor ships the set back to Germany to me, i have to pay for ~$20 shipping + import fees.
What am I missing?
No expert on this subject as I'm in the U.S., but the $133 price does not include the VAT as it is being shipped outside the country and thus not subject to the tax. If the kit was being sent to a vendor in germany, the price wouldn't be $133. it would be $133 + 19% tax.
Correct, the expected 133$ price is without VAT. Pretty much all the prices you see around in this hobby exclude VAT because it's being shipped all around the world where different taxes are applied.
GMK sells to the vendor I run this set through at bulk price. The vendor then adds X amount to cover labor and of course a profit margin which ends up at a total of 133$. Then he sells to you without taxes, you'll pay them yourself at customs.
Yes, having imported quite a few keysets I can confirm it's 19%. But I can already tell you the vendor won't be declaring a lower value since that's illegal.
[...]
Scenario 1:
You buy the set from a german vendor for 133$ plus 19% VAT and 7$ shipping, you end up paying 165.27$
Scenario 2:
You buy the set from a american vendor for 133$, pay 19% import taxes and 20$ shipping, you end up paying 178.27$
[...]
Scenario 3: You live in Sweden and get royally ****ed. $133 for the set from an American vendor, ~$20 in shipping cost, between 0-20% import tax depending on the kind of product, in this case ~10%, on both keyset and shipping cost. Then you also have to pay 25% in VAT, on both the keyset, the shipping and the import fee. Additionally you have to pay a fee of ~$14 to the shipping company for their 'service' of filling out the import form for you. So in total ~$225.
Scenario 4: You live in Sweden and buy it from a German vendor. You pay $133 for the set, the 19% German VAT, maybe ~$10 shipping, and then no import tax, no extra Swedish VAT and no extra fee to the shipping company. In total ~$168.
That's $57 I, as a Swede, have to pay for no good reason. If I buy, say, three different GMK sets from the US instead of Germany, I've paid for a fourth set in taxes.
I do, however, get it. This is a niche hobby and the community is much larger in the US and it's cheaper for them to just buy it from a vendor in their own country when there is no German VAT applied, and therefore you get more people buying the set. But it would be nice with an EU-proxy, especially when you aren't running it through Massdrop. I mean, sure, $57 isn't that much money, but I can do more fun things with it instead of paying unnecessary taxes and import fees.
All in all it's a nice set, even though I like the SA version more. Good luck with the GB :)
Yeah, other countries can really suck and I'm very sorry for that, but the effort of creating a EU proxy for a single buy is quite high and usually not worth the effort. Hopefully we (the community) can find a solution for this. Maybe someone feels like starting a company to run regular EU proxy buys? Just like the asian proxy.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 31 March 2017, 12:57:00
I am definitely interested in contributing to a europe proxy. am 24, still an e.e student but if there is a way i can help i will! It's sad that the company manufacturing this is next to me and i have to pay for all the costs for a set to travel around the world. And why is the european interest smaller than in the US? why isn't there an american version of GMK? :D
Regardless, I am still in no matter the taxes. OP has done a great job on the layout and it is by far my favorite :)
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 31 March 2017, 15:56:33
Post by: PlasticSporkz on Fri, 31 March 2017, 17:06:23
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 31 March 2017, 17:44:16
Scenario 3: You live in Sweden and get royally ****ed. $133 for the set from an American vendor, ~$20 in shipping cost, between 0-20% import tax depending on the kind of product, in this case ~10%, on both keyset and shipping cost. Then you also have to pay 25% in VAT, on both the keyset, the shipping and the import fee. Additionally you have to pay a fee of ~$14 to the shipping company for their 'service' of filling out the import form for you. So in total ~$225.
Scenario 4: You live in Sweden and buy it from a German vendor. You pay $133 for the set, the 19% German VAT, maybe ~$10 shipping, and then no import tax, no extra Swedish VAT and no extra fee to the shipping company. In total ~$168.
That's $57 I, as a Swede, have to pay for no good reason. If I buy, say, three different GMK sets from the US instead of Germany, I've paid for a fourth set in taxes.
I do, however, get it. This is a niche hobby and the community is much larger in the US and it's cheaper for them to just buy it from a vendor in their own country when there is no German VAT applied, and therefore you get more people buying the set. But it would be nice with an EU-proxy, especially when you aren't running it through Massdrop. I mean, sure, $57 isn't that much money, but I can do more fun things with it instead of paying unnecessary taxes and import fees.
All in all it's a nice set, even though I like the SA version more. Good luck with the GB :)
What in tarnation, that sounds terribly backwards - I also live in the EU and I've never had to pay anything but VAT (on both shipping and the actual value of the item) and handling/storage fees when importing anything relating to any of my hobbies be it audio, mechanical keyboards or anything in between. For example when getting my WhiteFox, even from a large business such as Massdrop, I was required to pay 60€ extra, 53.5 of that being VAT, ergo the rest is basically negligible.
Swedish taxes are through the roof, as are ours, so paying 25% (23 in my case) can be very different from the German 19% if you're buying expensive items, not so much when one's buying a singular key set, however all the extra BS you have to deal with is a bit of a joke, one I was personally not even aware of. How are you meant to import ANYTHING that's costly with that system exactly? $150 key sets would be the least of one's problems, I suppose maybe that is the point of the whole ordeal, strongly dissuading people from buying anything that isn't local (or from within the EU).
Post by: Dadrophenia on Fri, 31 March 2017, 23:33:12
Post by: electricsheep on Tue, 04 April 2017, 09:22:11
Post by: ironpup on Tue, 04 April 2017, 09:41:56
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 04 April 2017, 15:58:11
Any news on the vendor?
Soon :)
Post by: cynviloq on Tue, 04 April 2017, 22:32:24
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 04 April 2017, 23:33:31
Noooo it's back to R2 Delete for GMK? Does Backspace not fit?
Still waiting for confirmation here that they have the mold for 1.5u Backspace, I intend to use it if they have it.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 05 April 2017, 03:55:44
Still waiting for confirmation here that they have the mold for 1.5u Backspace, I intend to use it if they have it.If not, can you use the backspace arrow instead?
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 05 April 2017, 05:16:38
Still waiting for confirmation here that they have the mold for 1.5u Backspace, I intend to use it if they have it.If not, can you use the backspace arrow instead?
That would be against the design philosophy of this set, which has only icons on the arrow keys but nowhere else.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 05 April 2017, 05:18:19
Right. Let's hope for a text mold then.Still waiting for confirmation here that they have the mold for 1.5u Backspace, I intend to use it if they have it.If not, can you use the backspace arrow instead?
That would be against the design philosophy of this set, which has only icons on the arrow keys but nowhere else.
Post by: ironpup on Wed, 05 April 2017, 06:26:14
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:30:51
Post by: jchan94 on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:39:36
Are the base colors for the full gray version the same as for GMK Dolch? Is it basically Dolch with alternative legend colors?
I think the base color is the one from the carbon gmk modifiers. Very close to N9 on GMK, but not exactly.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:41:51
Are the base colors for the full gray version the same as for GMK Dolch? Is it basically Dolch with alternative legend colors?
I think the base color is the one from the carbon gmk modifiers. Very close to N9 on GMK, but not exactly.
Correct, the modifier keys are the same as GMK Carbon, which is GQM from Signature Plastic's library. The gray alphas are SP's GD and will be custom mixed by GMK to match, the white alphas will be GMK's CP.
Post by: bmilcs on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:52:59
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 05 April 2017, 18:04:17
Are the base colors for the full gray version the same as for GMK Dolch? Is it basically Dolch with alternative legend colors?
I think the base color is the one from the carbon gmk modifiers. Very close to N9 on GMK, but not exactly.
Correct, the modifier keys are the same as GMK Carbon, which is GQM from Signature Plastic's library. The gray alphas are SP's GD and will be custom mixed by GMK to match, the white alphas will be GMK's CP.
Sorry, before I spend half an hour looking up all of those colors--is the end result going to be lighter than Dolch or about the same? From the renders, at least the alphas look lighter.
Post by: Skull_Angel on Wed, 05 April 2017, 21:37:41
Post by: pitfermi on Thu, 06 April 2017, 00:02:26
Interested! I'm leaning more towards white alphas right now.Same here but one day ago i wanted the dark gray ones hahaha
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:40:25
Post by: hpfalcon on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:56:04
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
yes (due to gmk moq and prices)
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 06 April 2017, 12:09:43
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
Correct, splitting up the set into Alphas and Modifiers would have bumped the price by about 15-20 dollars per set and increased MOQ for Monochrome to 250, which is unlikely to be hit.
Post by: kconfire on Thu, 06 April 2017, 12:26:12
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 April 2017, 13:15:12
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
Correct, splitting up the set into Alphas and Modifiers would have bumped the price by about 15-20 dollars per set and increased MOQ for Monochrome to 250, which is unlikely to be hit.
dang. maybe i could sell the modifiers from the second set to help cover the cost... its a bummer but i understand why this was done
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 06 April 2017, 13:16:51
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
Correct, splitting up the set into Alphas and Modifiers would have bumped the price by about 15-20 dollars per set and increased MOQ for Monochrome to 250, which is unlikely to be hit.
dang. maybe i could sell the modifiers from the second set to help cover the cost... its a bummer but i understand why this was done
Thanks for understanding! I'm pretty sure it's going to be easy unless a lot of people do it. I've seen quite a few requests for mods only.
Post by: DannyHuynh on Thu, 06 April 2017, 14:11:37
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
Correct, splitting up the set into Alphas and Modifiers would have bumped the price by about 15-20 dollars per set and increased MOQ for Monochrome to 250, which is unlikely to be hit.
dang. maybe i could sell the modifiers from the second set to help cover the cost... its a bummer but i understand why this was done
I'll be interested in the mods only if you were ever decide to sell it ;)
Post by: PlasticSporkz on Thu, 06 April 2017, 14:22:57
Post by: getf on Thu, 06 April 2017, 14:24:52
(http://i.imgur.com/9x21elx.png)
What sets will be needed to assemble a board like the one pictured? Would it be possible to give a rough estimation of cost at this point?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 April 2017, 14:32:12
sorry if this has already been asked - maybe i missed it, but do i have to buy two full sets in order to get both light and dark alphas?
Correct, splitting up the set into Alphas and Modifiers would have bumped the price by about 15-20 dollars per set and increased MOQ for Monochrome to 250, which is unlikely to be hit.
dang. maybe i could sell the modifiers from the second set to help cover the cost... its a bummer but i understand why this was done
I'll be interested in the mods only if you were ever decide to sell it ;)
definitely dude. i need to start culling out the duplicate (and some triplicate) GMK caps from the collection
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 06 April 2017, 15:23:36
Looks great. I am glad to see an option for uniform legend colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9x21elx.png)
What sets will be needed to assemble a board like the one pictured? Would it be possible to give a rough estimation of cost at this point?
There are 2 base sets with white and gray alphas to chose from, and the Monochrome Modifier addon, so one base + one monochrome addon ~185$
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 April 2017, 15:32:45
(http://i.imgur.com/yxNWyDK.jpg)
2rl4irl :cool:
e. pic by PhotoElectric
Post by: getf on Thu, 06 April 2017, 15:36:14
Looks great. I am glad to see an option for uniform legend colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9x21elx.png)
What sets will be needed to assemble a board like the one pictured? Would it be possible to give a rough estimation of cost at this point?
There are 2 base sets with white and gray alphas to chose from, and the Monochrome Modifier addon, so one base + one monochrome addon ~185$
Thank you - looking forward to buying.
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:02:03
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 08 April 2017, 14:12:12
Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
Post by: joelfong on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:11:36
Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
Thanks! Looking forward to both of them!
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:13:53
Wouldn't that make it really hard to get both?Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
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Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:19:25
Wouldn't that make it really hard to get both?Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
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How so?
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:21:37
Money bahahhahaha. How am I gonna afford every kit in both SA and GMK?! I'm gonna have to pick one or the other if I have to put down money for both at the same time :OWouldn't that make it really hard to get both?Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
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How so?
Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:24:09
Money bahahhahaha. How am I gonna afford every kit in both SA and GMK?! I'm gonna have to pick one or the other if I have to put down money for both at the same time :OWouldn't that make it really hard to get both?Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
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How so?
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Buy a couple more GMK's, flip for profit, jump on SA for free :rolleyes:
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:42:02
Money bahahhahaha. How am I gonna afford every kit in both SA and GMK?! I'm gonna have to pick one or the other if I have to put down money for both at the same time :OWouldn't that make it really hard to get both?Looks great! I'm a bit undecided between the GMK and SA though. How much earlier would this GMK version ship compared to the SA?
Around the time the SA GB launches I hope.
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How so?
Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk
Buy a couple more GMK's, flip for profit, jump on SA for free :rolleyes:
Nooooo, Oblotzky, please don't promote that kind of behavior. I would not flip your keysets. 
Ever.Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk
Post by: nsmechkb on Sat, 08 April 2017, 19:14:14
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 12 April 2017, 01:23:17
I'm sorry to say that we are delayed by 1-2 weeks, details regarding legends are being talked out with GMK and they'll be doing a render of the final product as a form of confirmation that everything is in order. But since they are behind on doing custom set renders we will have to wait a bit more for that to be done.
I have updated the my own kit renders on the first post, the base kit has received R3 1u Home and R4 1u End, a stepped capslock key with LED window and a blue R4 1u FN key in addition to the existing yellow one. Also, Enter has been changed to Return, Print instead of Prt Sc and 2line BackSpace for the 1.5u key.
This kit has been final for about a week now which GMK is working with (except for the incorrectly displayed spacebar colors in the base sets, those will be alpha color). The expected price is now 135 instead of 130 at MOQ 250 due to the addition of these 4 keys. I cannot say yet what the MOQ breakpoints will be, we should know more about that when the GB starts.
Sorry everyone, but at least its not Q3 2017 :P
Post by: ThatsFineThatOne on Wed, 12 April 2017, 04:26:00
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 12 April 2017, 04:30:30
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 12 April 2017, 04:54:50
Any chance to have Backspace on one line?
It looks too cramped IMO, also not sure if they even have that mold.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 12 April 2017, 05:05:26
Alright. Will work both ways for me. Thanks.Any chance to have Backspace on one line?
It looks too cramped IMO, also not sure if they even have that mold.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 12 April 2017, 06:20:48
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 12 April 2017, 06:38:59
Another thing: in your design, are modifiers' colours determined by row or by function? Because in the first case the R1 backspace should be red, in my opinion.
It's by row, but actual row not profile row. So R1 doesn't necessarily have to be orange/red as you are suggesting, the focus is balanced distribution of colors wich Ryan did perfectly for Penumbra. The only change I made for Oblivion was breaking up the bottom row with the orange/red system keys.
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 12 April 2017, 07:14:35
It's by row, but actual row not profile row.That makes sense.
Keep up the good work.
Post by: ironpup on Wed, 12 April 2017, 08:33:57
Hey guys, quick update
I'm sorry to say that we are delayed by 1-2 weeks, details regarding legends are being talked out with GMK and they'll be doing a render of the final product as a form of confirmation that everything is in order. But since they are behind on doing custom set renders we will have to wait a bit more for that to be done.
I have updated the my own kit renders on the first post, the base kit has received R3 1u Home and R4 1u End, a stepped capslock key with LED window and a blue R4 1u FN key in addition to the existing yellow one. Also, Enter has been changed to Return, Print instead of Prt Sc and 2line BackSpace for the 1.5u key.
This kit has been final for about a week now which GMK is working with (except for the incorrectly displayed spacebar colors in the base sets, those will be alpha color). The expected price is now 135 instead of 130 at MOQ 250 due to the addition of these 4 keys. I cannot say yet what the MOQ breakpoints will be, we should know more about that when the GB starts.
Sorry everyone, but at least its not Q3 2017 :P
R2 backspace = nut = I'm in :D :p
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 12 April 2017, 08:34:46
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 12 April 2017, 08:58:40
Is the vendor still soon™?
Correct
Post by: cynviloq on Wed, 12 April 2017, 09:05:33
Hey guys, quick update
I'm sorry to say that we are delayed by 1-2 weeks, details regarding legends are being talked out with GMK and they'll be doing a render of the final product as a form of confirmation that everything is in order. But since they are behind on doing custom set renders we will have to wait a bit more for that to be done.
I have updated the my own kit renders on the first post, the base kit has received R3 1u Home and R4 1u End, a stepped capslock key with LED window and a blue R4 1u FN key in addition to the existing yellow one. Also, Enter has been changed to Return, Print instead of Prt Sc and 2line BackSpace for the 1.5u key.
This kit has been final for about a week now which GMK is working with (except for the incorrectly displayed spacebar colors in the base sets, those will be alpha color). The expected price is now 135 instead of 130 at MOQ 250 due to the addition of these 4 keys. I cannot say yet what the MOQ breakpoints will be, we should know more about that when the GB starts.
Sorry everyone, but at least its not Q3 2017 :P
R2 backspace = nut = I'm in :D :p
Love the double line R2 BS... I feel the same.
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 14 April 2017, 07:37:08
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 14 April 2017, 11:28:01
And.... Am I the only one interested in R5?
you are not alone
Post by: ideus on Fri, 14 April 2017, 11:38:43
And.... Am I the only one interested in R5?
you are not alone
+1, you aren't alone. I really like how A Profile looks and it is The OG profile for the bottom row; however, I prefer B Profile for typing. I suppose B Profile won the battle of ergonomics and A Profile was discontinued.
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 14 April 2017, 11:49:45
And.... Am I the only one interested in R5?
you are not alone
+1, you aren't alone.
<3
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:08:43
Just noticed that the spacebars are wrong. The two at the bottom should be the white right?
Just thought you should get that cleared up.
(http://i.imgur.com/o8Rgy1M.jpg)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:38:05
Hey,
Just noticed that the spacebars are wrong. The two at the bottom should be the white right?
Just thought you should get that cleared up.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o8Rgy1M.jpg)
Hey! Thanks for your attention, and you are correct as I mentioned it myself already, but this will be fixed no worries!
BTW hit me up if you wanna work on something together in the future, I like your GB's :thumb:
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:40:46
Hey,
Just noticed that the spacebars are wrong. The two at the bottom should be the white right?
Just thought you should get that cleared up.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o8Rgy1M.jpg)
Hey! Thanks for your attention, and you are correct as I mentioned it myself already, but this will be fixed no worries!
BTW hit me up if you wanna work on something together in the future, I like your GB's :thumb:
Anytime mate, here's my email - jchan@keyclack.com ; HMU.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:48:41
Hey,
Just noticed that the spacebars are wrong. The two at the bottom should be the white right?
Just thought you should get that cleared up.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o8Rgy1M.jpg)
Hey! Thanks for your attention, and you are correct as I mentioned it myself already, but this will be fixed no worries!
BTW hit me up if you wanna work on something together in the future, I like your GB's :thumb:
Anytime mate, here's my email - jchan@keyclack.com ; HMU.
Sweet, looking forward to it!
Post by: oatmicro on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:54:56
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 14 April 2017, 19:58:28
We got the Vender now, Great ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The vendor was already decided on before I opened the IC ;)
Post by: ironpup on Fri, 14 April 2017, 22:00:37
We got the Vender now, Great ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The vendor was already decided on before I opened the IC ;)
But still a mystery to us :'(
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 22:05:49
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 16 April 2017, 05:25:09
How long is this GB going to be open for? Going on vacation at the end of next week and would like to get my order in before i leave or when I get back if is still running.
Either 2 or 3 weeks.
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 24 April 2017, 09:41:50
TL;DR: GMK Oblivion will be available once the new keyclack.com site launches in the coming days, the GB will last for 3 weeks!
(http://i.imgur.com/EnoCZPI.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/1itFMXU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JSqxHnX.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/WK1Rckw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QWLyrao.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/7G7IHFJ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PWBqsNT.jpg)
Post by: 458 on Mon, 24 April 2017, 10:18:48
Full news here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/6786st/news_keyclackcom_is_moving_on_click_bait_read_moar/
TL;DR: GMK Oblivion will be available once the new keyclack.com site launches in the coming days, the GB will last for 3 weeks!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/EnoCZPI.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1itFMXU.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/JSqxHnX.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/WK1Rckw.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QWLyrao.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7G7IHFJ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PWBqsNT.jpg)
Hope this is a storming success for you!
Post by: futurecrime on Mon, 24 April 2017, 12:01:46
Post by: pitfermi on Mon, 24 April 2017, 14:37:09
Post by: poolside on Mon, 24 April 2017, 19:01:01
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 25 April 2017, 01:01:10
What's that Tokyo60 keyboard shown in the renders?
That would be a HHKB-style keyboard coming from the lovely tokyocoffeenerd! I'm sure he'll reveal details himself soon :thumb:
Post by: ironpup on Tue, 25 April 2017, 08:44:42
Hey,
Just noticed that the spacebars are wrong. The two at the bottom should be the white right?
Just thought you should get that cleared up.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o8Rgy1M.jpg)
Hey! Thanks for your attention, and you are correct as I mentioned it myself already, but this will be fixed no worries!
BTW hit me up if you wanna work on something together in the future, I like your GB's :thumb:
Anytime mate, here's my email - jchan@keyclack.com ; HMU.
Sweet, looking forward to it!
Hehehe you got us. Bamboozled again :))
Post by: xondat on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:13:46
- No 1.25u Menu key?
- What are the following keys for (keys with no line through)?
Definitely picking this up just solely on compatibility, not to mention it looks great in both colorways.
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:18:34
Easily the most compatible set I've ever seen, couple of questions though:
- No 1.25u Menu key?
- What are the follow keys for (keys with no line through)?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eVmt4Z7.png)
Definitely picking this up just solely on compatibility, not to mention it looks great in both colorways.
#1 Just Fn, no Menu. It's more universal.
#2 Various 65-75% keyboards use those, often what the user prefers in those spots.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:30:40
Easily the most compatible set I've ever seen, couple of questions though:
- No 1.25u Menu key?
- What are the follow keys for (keys with no line through)?
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eVmt4Z7.png)
Definitely picking this up just solely on compatibility, not to mention it looks great in both colorways.
#1 Just Fn, no Menu. It's more universal.
#2 Various 65-75% keyboards use those, often what the user prefers in those spots.
Fair enough, I wasn't aware the molds existed but nice to see the extra consideration.
How did you get to the keys for the spacebar kit? Through my research, excluding 40/Ergo, I found that these (additional) keys would be required to cover all known splits.
(http://i.imgur.com/MnFDKyn.png)
I'd be interested in knowing what the 1.75 and 2u keys are for.
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:36:43
I'd be interested in knowing what the 1.75 and 2u keys are for.
The 2U is used by the VE.A in combination with the 2.75u one. 1.75u I'll have to dig up, there's always someone managing to fill his 40% with a few keys swapped around.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:41:11
The 2U is used by the VE.A in combination with the 2.75u one. 1.75u I'll have to dig up, there's always someone managing to fill his 40% with a few keys swapped around.
Oh my bad! After making the base, I always guessed the VE.A was 2.25u.
Thanks for the answers :)
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 27 April 2017, 13:40:08
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 27 April 2017, 20:20:06
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:34:50
We are live boys!
link?
Post by: lecorsair on Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:36:09
We are live boys!
link?
https://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/gmkOblivionR1
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:39:12
We are live boys!
link?
https://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/gmkOblivionR1 (https://www.keyclack.com/groupbuy/gmkOblivionR1)
Thanks. Man, keyclack is stepping it up, that new site is nice.
Post by: fatpolomanjr on Thu, 27 April 2017, 22:17:11
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 27 April 2017, 22:23:38
Post by: Skull_Angel on Thu, 27 April 2017, 22:28:39
Oblivion's GB going live has set in the reality of how much money I might spend in the upcoming month between this, Yuri, a Preonic, maybe Laser depending on when that's out and whatever else I am probably forgetting. Keyboards are scary.
One of the reasons I try to limit my browsing through forums like Geekhack! :-X
Post by: yuppie on Thu, 27 April 2017, 23:27:56
Post by: swangful on Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:19:41
Post by: lecorsair on Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:25:39
I was so set on white alphas but the more i look at grey alphas...IM NOT SURE ANYMORE DAMMIT!!!
lol, same here. It's tough when one is considering/have case colors other than gray or black.
Post by: lecorsair on Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:39:31
Any chance you can render alternative case colors other than black/gray? Or would that take a bit away from the presentation of the set?
Post by: Skull_Angel on Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:51:09
I never got a verification email, so I can't join...
Same here, there's no order number on the invoice either.
Post by: jchan94 on Fri, 28 April 2017, 01:22:27
I never got a verification email, so I can't join...
Same here, there's no order number on the invoice either.
If you don't have the verification emails thing, please send a support thang via contact us. They work for most email carriers, but we want to make sure to support what people use. or email support@keyclack.com
Also, invoice numbers will be implemented soon. You'll see it automatically generated or populated soon. I can see all things coming in, along with your relevant information.
Thanks for working with me on the process of the new site.
Post by: Skull_Angel on Fri, 28 April 2017, 03:43:43
I never got a verification email, so I can't join...
Same here, there's no order number on the invoice either.
If you don't have the verification emails thing, please send a support thang via contact us. They work for most email carriers, but we want to make sure to support what people use. or email support@keyclack.com
Also, invoice numbers will be implemented soon. You'll see it automatically generated or populated soon. I can see all things coming in, along with your relevant information.
Thanks for working with me on the process of the new site.
Message sent, thanks for the heads-up.
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 28 April 2017, 03:54:42
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 28 April 2017, 03:56:46
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 28 April 2017, 04:18:35
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant!Quality stuff sells well.
Post by: yokken on Fri, 28 April 2017, 09:14:16
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
I got 2 sets only because I wanted to try the white alphas. If I could have bought the alphas separately I would have, but no worries. I'll almost certainly be selling which ever set I like less. I'm expecting it to be quite a difficult decision.
Post by: pitfermi on Fri, 28 April 2017, 11:04:44
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Post by: imprevade on Fri, 28 April 2017, 11:26:24
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
It looks like the main participant count is broken and only pulling data from the 'Base Kit With White Alphas' count, because those two numbers have always been the same.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 28 April 2017, 11:30:19
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
It looks like the main participant count is broken and only pulling data from the 'Base Kit With White Alphas' count, because those two numbers have always been the same.
Yeah I realized that too later, but I wouldn't call it a bug. It's just not intended that one product has two primary items inside, and I'm not sure myself if there would be a proper way. You could only merge the numbers if they shared the same MOQ
Post by: imprevade on Fri, 28 April 2017, 11:35:35
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
It looks like the main participant count is broken and only pulling data from the 'Base Kit With White Alphas' count, because those two numbers have always been the same.
Yeah I realized that too later, but I wouldn't call it a bug. It's just not intended that one product has two primary items inside, and I'm not sure myself if there would be a proper way. You could only merge the numbers if they shared the same MOQ
One could pull the data from how many 'orders' there are, instead of referencing the number of sets bought. It's definitely deceiving because if I were to order 100 sets of 'Base Kit With White Alphas,' then it would be counted as 100 participants in the current build.
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 28 April 2017, 11:59:57
Just ordered and we're at 45 already.
I'm even more suprised by the fact that there is an average of almost 2 sets per participant! I did not expect so many people to double-dip
It looks like the main participant count is broken and only pulling data from the 'Base Kit With White Alphas' count, because those two numbers have always been the same.
Yeah I realized that too later, but I wouldn't call it a bug. It's just not intended that one product has two primary items inside, and I'm not sure myself if there would be a proper way. You could only merge the numbers if they shared the same MOQ
One could pull the data from how many 'orders' there are, instead of referencing the number of sets bought. It's definitely deceiving because if I were to order 100 sets of 'Base Kit With White Alphas,' then it would be counted as 100 participants in the current build.
But what's the MOQ number you are having those total number of orders race against? If lets say we are currently at 100 total orders, is the bar now close to being half full as the MOQ for one color is 250? Or a quarter because we combine the MOQ's as well? In the current case the latter seems appropriate because the community is pretty much 50/50 split across the colors, but what do you do if you have not such a nice ratio?
Post by: TalkingTree on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:03:32
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:05:32
Since both base kits have unique colours, I assume the MOQ is 250 for each, or is it shared?
All 4 kits need to hit their own MOQ's. So your assumption is correct, we need 250 grays and 250 whites. Keep in mind that jchan is also going to buy extras for stock, and I'm putting in 5 of each myself. We'll be good I'm sure :thumb:
Post by: bthezebra on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:19:49
Post by: imprevade on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:36:52
But what's the MOQ number you are having those total number of orders race against? If lets say we are currently at 100 total orders, is the bar now close to being half full as the MOQ for one color is 250? Or a quarter because we combine the MOQ's as well? In the current case the latter seems appropriate because the community is pretty much 50/50 split across the colors, but what do you do if you have not such a nice ratio?
The current number measures participants. It says "56 Joined." When in reality, it's much more likely that around 100 people joined. The simple solution is to just change it to kits 'purchased,' instead of participants.
The bar however is meant to represent how close the GB is to being 'unlocked."
The simple solution is to write the code something like this;
if OptionA is > OptionB then the bar is filled A/250 %
if OptionA is < OptionB then the bar is filled B/250 %
Post by: cynviloq on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:38:42
But what's the MOQ number you are having those total number of orders race against? If lets say we are currently at 100 total orders, is the bar now close to being half full as the MOQ for one color is 250? Or a quarter because we combine the MOQ's as well? In the current case the latter seems appropriate because the community is pretty much 50/50 split across the colors, but what do you do if you have not such a nice ratio?
The current number measures participants. It says "56 Joined." When in reality, it's much more likely that around 100 people joined. The simple solution is to just change it to kits 'purchased,' instead of participants.
The bar however is meant to represent how close the GB is to being 'unlocked."
The simple solution is to write the code something like this;
if OptionA is > OptionB then the bar is filled A/250 %
if OptionA is < OptionB then the bar is filled B/250 %
You need more than one bar though - if Option A hits 100% and hits MoQ, but Option B has not, then the bar is misleading for anyone who purchased Option B.
Post by: imprevade on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:47:40
But what's the MOQ number you are having those total number of orders race against? If lets say we are currently at 100 total orders, is the bar now close to being half full as the MOQ for one color is 250? Or a quarter because we combine the MOQ's as well? In the current case the latter seems appropriate because the community is pretty much 50/50 split across the colors, but what do you do if you have not such a nice ratio?
The current number measures participants. It says "56 Joined." When in reality, it's much more likely that around 100 people joined. The simple solution is to just change it to kits 'purchased,' instead of participants.
The bar however is meant to represent how close the GB is to being 'unlocked."
The simple solution is to write the code something like this;
if OptionA is > OptionB then the bar is filled A/250 %
if OptionA is < OptionB then the bar is filled B/250 %
You need more than one bar though - if Option A hits 100% and hits MoQ, but Option B has not, then the bar is misleading for anyone who purchased Option B.
No, because the group buy is unlocked as soon as either kit hits MOQ. What if 250 people bought Option A, but only 10 people bought Option B? Then the group buy would run, but Option B would not be purchased. Don't forget that you still have the individual bars for each kit.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 28 April 2017, 12:48:36
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:05:48
Thanks for everyone's feedback!