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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: Kavik on Wed, 22 March 2017, 16:57:18
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Does anyone else find typing on MX Reds fatiguing? I brought my QF TK with reds to work today for a change of pace, and my hands are getting pretty tired. I even have o-rings on them to reduce the travel. I normally use a Model M or Matias V80 at work, so I find it weird that buckling springs don't tire my hands but reds do. I used MX Blues at work for about 3 years beforehand without issue.
Anyone else feel this way or know why? All I can think of is 1. angle of the board or 2. my hands have to float a bit more on the keys since they are lighter and not tactile.
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I would say it's the floating and trying to restrain your fingers from typing as hard as you usually would on heavier switches.
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It's definitely more fatiguing for me to float on reds than it is for me to float on blacks or not bottom out on MOD-Hs or Zealios
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you typed too hard
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If the angle is the same as all the other keyboards you use and the keycaps aren't higher than usual I don't see why they would be. Your hands floating height perhaps because I don't think it is the keyboard. I have typed on buckling springs, browns, blues, reds (currently own one) and I don't think they are any more fatiguing than others.
Then again I bottom out purposefully on every keyboard I type on. Reds are awesome for typing so something else aside from the keyboard is the culprit here.
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Mayyyybe you walked the dog a little too hard last night... annnnnnnnnddddd the hand has not fully recovered..
hahhahaahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaa
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According to our the Heroic user -- HighPlainsDrafter --, he recommends the hall effect keyboard on massdrop.. it's lighter than even reds.
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According to our the Heroic user -- HighPlainsDrafter --, he recommends the hall effect keyboard on massdrop.. it's lighter than even reds.
:eek: :p :))
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According to our the Heroic user -- HighPlainsDrafter --, he recommends the hall effect keyboard on massdrop.. it's lighter than even reds.
and one will bottom-out even harder, resulting in worse fatigue :eek:
you typed too hard
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You are bottoming out on them too hard. A light switch like this might not be ideal for you.
Try a board with Montereys perhaps? I found I started to type extremely light and delicately on them.
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stop pressing so hard
i been using mx reds for years with no problems
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stop pressing so hard
i been using mx reds for years with no problems
all lies.. where's the prooof ?? hmm?
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When I first switched to my Gat red board, I did find it to be fatiguing after long periods of typing, but my touch definitely lightened up over time, and it feels much better. Still get some fatigue, which is why I'm building a board with Gat blacks with 67g springs. Hope that is the sweet spot.
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Thanks for the feedback.
I have used this board for about three years at home (for games and web surfing), but I don't type as much at home as at work. The fatigue is mostly in the tops of my hands (like if you type or use a mouse that is too low with a upward flexed wrist). It doesn't feel as if I'm bottoming out very hard; it actually feels as if I'm gliding over the keys more than other boards (I actually tried purposely bottoming out really hard to see the difference). After considering it further, I think it has something to do with trying harder not to press keys inadvertently possibly causing me to tense my hands or wrists.
Oh, well. It shouldn't be a long term problem. I was just tired of the clicking and needed a break for a day or so. I'll probably switch back to the Model M in a day or two.
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Thanks for the feedback.
I have used this board for about three years at home (for games and web surfing), but I don't type as much at home as at work. The fatigue is mostly in the tops of my hands (like if you type or use a mouse that is too low with a upward flexed wrist). It doesn't feel as if I'm bottoming out very hard; it actually feels as if I'm gliding over the keys more than other boards (I actually tried purposely bottoming out really hard to see the difference). After considering it further, I think it has something to do with trying harder not to press keys inadvertently possibly causing me to tense my hands or wrists.
Oh, well. It shouldn't be a long term problem. I was just tired of the clicking and needed a break for a day or so. I'll probably switch back to the Model M in a day or two.
mm..... model m and other click switches have a distinct vibrational feedback which tells your finger to STOP.
MX red doesn't have that , so maybe it's an issue where you're over exerting, because your technique is at a mismatch with the feedback you're getting from the switch.
But, this is definitely technique related, and not an increase in mechanical resistance/stress..
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This looks to me like another example of individual differences in preferences, typing style and maybe physiology. I find buckling springs too much work, and am much happier on lighter switches. I typed for roughly 12 hours today into tonight on Cherry browns, and my hands are fine, though the rest of me is pretty tired.
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I can easily type on reds for hours and hours when working from home. Blacks, however, do tire me out.
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I can easily type on reds for hours and hours when working from home. Blacks, however, do tire me out.
i tire out on clears.
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I personally do get a bit more fatigued typing on light linears than heavier tactiles. I can't say why.
I'm a weirdo I suppose. I like light tactile and clicky switches but don't mind stiffer linears.
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I can easily type on reds for hours and hours when working from home. Blacks, however, do tire me out.
i tire out on clears.
Clears do that if you bottom out. So don't bottom out. :P
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According to our the Heroic user -- HighPlainsDrafter --, he recommends the hall effect keyboard on massdrop.. it's lighter than even reds.
Hahaha
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Reds for me reduced fatigue. I didn't realize how bad I was smashing browns and blues.
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After giving the custom nameless keyboard with MX Blacks to the friend who lent it to me when my Filco arrived, my finger pains reduced actually.
I don't know about buckling springs but if you are used to a tactile typing it would be natural, but not very functional, to bottom out with the linears.
Why would you need o-rings anyway? If you pay attention to when the letters are registered on the monitor, you barely need any pressure on the keys.
My fingers started to ache with the Reds when I tried Dvorak for a few days or when I come across words I'm not familiar with, since I bottom out the keys.
When I touch type the Reds are great cause I mostly brush on the keys and the letters are registered as I go along. Hope you can adjust your typing pressure cause the Reds are great for relieving fatigue IMHO.
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After giving the custom nameless keyboard with MX Blacks to the friend who lent it to me when my Filco arrived, my finger pains reduced actually.
I don't know about buckling springs but if you are used to a tactile typing it would be natural, but not very functional, to bottom out with the linears.
Why would you need o-rings anyway? If you pay attention to when the letters are registered on the monitor, you barely need any pressure on the keys.
My fingers started to ache with the Reds when I tried Dvorak for a few days or when I come across words I'm not familiar with, since I bottom out the keys.
When I touch type the Reds are great cause I mostly brush on the keys and the letters are registered as I go along. Hope you can adjust your typing pressure cause the Reds are great for relieving fatigue IMHO.
I originally got the o-rings for a keyboard with MX Blues, but I didn't like the way it felt, so I removed them. I basically put them on the MX Red board just to try them out. I think I like reds with the o-rings more; it's forced me to get used to not pushing them down all the way, and it softens the blow if I do.
I have to say that the fatigue was less over the next few days of work. I think I just needed to get use to it. But I'm back to the buckling springs anyway since I took the QF TK home to play games.
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I basically put them on the MX Red board just to try them out. I think I like reds with the o-rings more; it's forced me to get used to not pushing them down all the way, and it softens the blow if I do.
I have to say that the fatigue was less over the next few days of work.
Mh. Maybe I should get some o-rings for Backspace, Delete and Ctrl since I keep smashing them most of the times...
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It certainly is a different typing experience. I personally prefer heavier switches because I'm a barbarian and bottom out like nobodies business. If the bottoming out is causing minor RSI pain, try using dental bands to soften the blow.
On the other hand, maybe reds aren't for you?
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Linears are the most fatiguing switch to me. I have an MF68 with Gateron Reds and its just not comfortable. My typing is the worst on linears, and they feel the worst to me. As always though, its all preferenced based and this is just my subjective point on the matter.
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Linears are the most fatiguing switch to me. I have an MF68 with Gateron Reds and its just not comfortable. My typing is the worst on linears, and they feel the worst to me. As always though, its all preferenced based and this is just my subjective point on the matter.
Strange, it's the opposite for me. I'm slow as can be on blues and buckling springs are rather fatiguing pretty quickly. Meanwhile, I can type on reds all day without problems.