Criminals is the wrong word, but it is super over priced.
Criminals is the wrong word, but it is super over priced.
I don't think Hypersphere may be a bad person..
But what he's charging is Fked up..
Criminals is the wrong word, but it is super over priced.
I don't think Hypersphere may be a bad person..
But what he's charging is Fked up..
Agreed. They aren't breaking any laws though. And with no competition they have the "market" cornered.
Guys.. I know you want to silence your hhkbs and do topre conversions..
But you should not support Hypersphere , because they are criminals at charging you guys $60 for something worth 50 cents.
For example
This set of orings off ebay, http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-50x-Rubber-O-Ring-Assorted-Sizes-Set-Kit-For-Plumbing-Tap-Seal-Sink-Thread-/371823991832?hash=item56926fdc18:g:AHIAAOSwJ7RYYJT3
(http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-50x-Rubber-O-Ring-Assorted-Sizes-Set-Kit-For-Plumbing-Tap-Seal-Sink-Thread-/371823991832?hash=item56926fdc18:g:AHIAAOSwJ7RYYJT3)
Costs $1.66.. One dollar and sixty six cents
That is a profit price, meaning it costs less than $1.66 to make 50 orings..
Hyperspheres are just Orings, there's nothing special about the material, or production cost.
Yet they are charging you guys $60..
How much are hyperspheres people getting them for.. Most likely less than $0.10 for 1000..
How are you guys NOT angry about this.. ??
because he doesn't sell o-rings....
While they are expensive it is a Capitalist society (at least here in the US) and with no competition and not enough demand to mass market they can charge whatever they want really. Personally I would not pay that much though.
because he doesn't sell o-rings....
Hypersphere is a 2 ply rubber sheet.
It's a softer sheet of rubber bonded to another harder substrate.
This hypersphere does not cost significantly more than an oring to produce.
You make a sheet, then you punch them out.
The sheets costs are within 5 US Cents per cubic meter.
Now imagine how many rings you can punch from a sheet as large as this.
Again.. I am merely trying to inform ya'll that what he's selling is NOT anything close to $60 worth of labor or material..
This quantity and type of goods is in the Less than $1.00 category in production cost..
dgneo, if you have a relationship with hypersphere the user, please understand that I am not chastising hypersphere the person..
But that business he's running is borderline robbery..
No relationship at all, just think it's real ****ty of you to come in here telling everyone not to support him, just because he's charging more than what a DIY solution would provide.
The same reason people pay $900 for the latest Apple/Samsung/LG/insert other phone maker here, even though it costs $25 to make: Convenience and Quality.
I look at Hypersphere's products from a different angle. Like if someone from Topre heard that people were paying this much for O-Rings they would get it through their heads just to make them a standard feature.
If 9 out of 10 users want them then cut down on the permutations at assembly and make it so.
No relationship at all, just think it's real ****ty of you to come in here telling everyone not to support him, just because he's charging more than what a DIY solution would provide.
I paid for a set, and have no regrets at all. Not all of us have the time to hunt down what material would work the best for silencing topre, the size of the rings, the thickness of the rings, the hole puncher to do it, etc etc.
The same reason people pay $900 for the latest Apple/Samsung/LG/insert other phone maker here, even though it costs $25 to make: Convenience and Quality.
Why is it ****ty of me to tell people that the product is overpriced..
Just because it's one seller does not make him less responsible than if a large corporation overcharged its users.
Telecom is robbing people for $60 a month for cellphone service..
Hypersphere is robbing people for $60 for rubber sheet..
No relationship at all, just think it's real ****ty of you to come in here telling everyone not to support him, just because he's charging more than what a DIY solution would provide.
The same reason people pay $900 for the latest Apple/Samsung/LG/insert other phone maker here, even though it costs $25 to make: Convenience and Quality.
Why is it ****ty of me to tell people that the product is overpriced..
Just because it's one seller does not make him less responsible than if a large corporation overcharged its users.
Telecom is robbing people for $60 a month for cellphone service..
Hypersphere is robbing people for $60 on rubber sheet rings..
There are no real alternatives unless you have the ability to hole punch a sheet of pet yourself. I looked for o-rings that are as thin and to size, i could not find a single one. The key thing is thinness.
I see it similar to the headphones market. Yes a $300 dollar headphone will sound great but will a $600 headphone two times better? No. You start getting less performance to dollar as you move up. Such is the case with the hyperspheres. The chinese ones are 0.8mm thick(the thinness i could find that fit) while hyperspheres are 0.5mm, it comes down to how much is that 0.3mm worth to you.
Yes it was expensive, however there were no alternatives available, in my opinion, if you wanted to only reduce keytravel by 0.5mm. We could also say the same about zealios or even artisan keycaps, but at the end of the day it is what you are okay with.
Gotcha, so when can we expect your run of ultra cheap silencing rings that rival Hypersphere's?
Gotcha, so when can we expect your run of ultra cheap silencing rings that rival Hypersphere's?
Now you're getting into the area of private wars.. That is not my intention.. Hypersphere can keep his business.. but he really should not be overcharging by so much..
There's making a profit, and then there's fking people up the ass..
Gotcha, so when can we expect your run of ultra cheap silencing rings that rival Hypersphere's?
Now you're getting into the area of private wars.. That is not my intention.. Hypersphere can keep his business.. but he really should not be overcharging by so much..
There's making a profit, and then there's fking people up the ass..
Now you're getting into the area of private wars.. That is not my intention.. Hypersphere can keep his business.. but he really should not be overcharging by so much..
There's making a profit, and then there's fking people up the ass..
I agree with dgneo. You should start producing and selling your own at the cheaper price. It's the only way the price will come down; competition.
You are assuming we as buyers have no control over price.. But we do..
By informing each other, educating each other on fair pricing.. We as a whole would resolve to buy less hypersphere, and some of us may resolve to buy none at all.
Gotcha, so when can we expect your run of ultra cheap silencing rings that rival Hypersphere's?
Now you're getting into the area of private wars.. That is not my intention.. Hypersphere can keep his business.. but he really should not be overcharging by so much..
There's making a profit, and then there's fking people up the ass..
I agree with dgneo. You should start producing and selling your own at the cheaper price. It's the only way the price will come down; competition.
Guys.. I'm glad ya'll have so much faith in Tp4, but if i were to sell you guys keyboard related goods, I'd go full on with tp4 keycap project..
I would not waste your time with little rubber rings.
The second issue is.. the V2 deep groove is extremely time consuming to cut, it roughly triples the machining time.. so... if we had the shop produce V2-s, it'd be somewhere near almost $60 [USD] each..
The V1 would be cheaper around $45..
You are assuming we as buyers have no control over price.. But we do..
By informing each other, educating each other on fair pricing.. We as a whole would resolve to buy less hypersphere, and some of us may resolve to buy none at all.
Hypersphere isn't selling french fries he's selling a niche item for a niche keyboard inside of a niche market.
If I were him I'd milk the **** out of it.
Guys.. I'm glad ya'll have so much faith in Tp4, but if i were to sell you guys keyboard related goods, I'd go full on with tp4 keycap project..
I would not waste your time with little rubber rings.
Oh perfect, this is WAY more useful than rubber rings! I'd imagine this only costs you a few dollars to make, how much are you looking to charge for these?
TP is our Public Defender!! THANK YOU BASED TP
Guys.. I'm glad ya'll have so much faith in Tp4, but if i were to sell you guys keyboard related goods, I'd go full on with tp4 keycap project..
I would not waste your time with little rubber rings.
Oh perfect, this is WAY more useful than rubber rings! I'd imagine this only costs you a few dollars to make, how much are you looking to charge for these?
hahahaha.. you are not an expert on machining..
I didn't quote the final price in the thread on the v2, but each key is around 1 hour of machining time and 20 minutes of manual sanding to produce..
it could be cut on more high end machines, possssibly reducing the price, but it's still not cheap..
The final price will shock you, which is why I decided I could not with good intention sell something so ridiculous to geekhackers..
but we're on the other end of it.. we have users with --not alot of money--
but we're on the other end of it.. we have users with --not alot of money--
Users without a lot of money won't/shouldn't be looking at Topre in the first place.
tp4 are you a bot?
Your argument is applicable to nearly every product available in a capitalist society.Not true..
He did say "nearly" :DYour argument is applicable to nearly every product available in a capitalist society.Not true..
Grocery store bread is sold at a loss to drive up foot traffic..
Coscto Chicken is sold at a loss to drive up foot traffic.
We've had $560+ retail customs, I'm sure none of us will be shocked any more.
lol topre sucks anyway
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Stopping hypersphere's train of tyranny is the goal..
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Stopping hypersphere's train of tyranny is the goal..
There is no tyranny here. Only glorious capitalism and a desire to be rewarded for putting in the work.
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
might be the rubber domes
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
might be the rubber domes
0/10 troll
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
might be the rubber domes
0/10 troll
are you having a bad day? It's friday
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
might be the rubber domes
Hypershpere ring is the most expensive stuff I ever purchased!!
Hypershpere ring is the most expensive stuff I ever purchased!!
Moral of this story is to never buy Topre and instead waste your money on Alps.
Criminals is the wrong word, but it is super over priced.
I don't think Hypersphere may be a bad person..
But what he's charging is Fked up..
I'm not angry, but he needs to be stopped.. and we must at least tell the geekhacker novices that this pricing is NOT RIGHT...
No relationship at all, just think it's real ****ty of you to come in here telling everyone not to support him, just because he's charging more than what a DIY solution would provide.
I paid for a set, and have no regrets at all. Not all of us have the time to hunt down what material would work the best for silencing topre, the size of the rings, the thickness of the rings, the hole puncher to do it, etc etc.
The same reason people pay $900 for the latest Apple/Samsung/LG/insert other phone maker here, even though it costs $25 to make: Convenience and Quality.
Why is it ****ty of me to tell people that the product is overpriced..
Just because it's one seller does not make him less responsible than if a large corporation overcharged its users.
Telecom is robbing people for $60 a month for cellphone service..
Hypersphere is robbing people for $60 for rubber sheet..
There are no real alternatives unless you have the ability to hole punch a sheet of pet yourself. I looked for o-rings that are as thin and to size, i could not find a single one. The key thing is thinness.
I see it similar to the headphones market. Yes a $300 dollar headphone will sound great but will a $600 headphone two times better? No. You start getting less performance to dollar as you move up. Such is the case with the hyperspheres. The chinese ones are 0.8mm thick(the thinness i could find that fit) while hyperspheres are 0.5mm, it comes down to how much is that 0.3mm worth to you.
Yes it was expensive, however there were no alternatives available, in my opinion, if you wanted to only reduce keytravel by 0.5mm. We could also say the same about zealios or even artisan keycaps, but at the end of the day it is what you are okay with.
FITE MEMoral of this story is to never buy Topre and instead waste your money on Alps.
Key word here is "waste"
FITE MEMoral of this story is to never buy Topre and instead waste your money on Alps.
Key word here is "waste"
Omg. It's so simple. Hyperspheres are way too thick anyway. Most of you are all silencing standard stems. Not longer ones like in the hhkb type s..
So.
You are losing so much travel.
Every now and then I see a few photo albums of people buying hole punches and punching out their own rings. I've been doing this from the start with 0.25mm silicone sheet. The difference is incredible and no noticeable upstroke is lost.
Do not support hypersphere.
Criminals is the wrong word, but it is super over priced.
I don't think Hypersphere may be a bad person..
But what he's charging is Fked up..
I'm not angry, but he needs to be stopped.. and we must at least tell the geekhacker novices that this pricing is NOT RIGHT...
Completely agreed. Scarcity / experienced necessity is a ***** to drive prices up. Like basic necessities become ridiculously expensive after a flood or natural disaster in some areas.
This person pumping out those hyperspheres is a greedy son of a *****.
I agree that the pricing is ridiculous, but aren't those rings made by a factory in batches just for people like us except tp4?
Here is more background information, maybe it started here: https://deskthority.net/help-f53/silencing-rings-for-topre-rf-or-hhkb-t10051.html
I was part of that group buy.
I'd say... around 20-25 dollars would be justifiable. It's still expensive, but ok-ish. It gives you something special for your board, something you look forward to having.
That may not include shipping, fine. You have no control over shipping prices anyway as a small enthusiast.
I'd say... around 20-25 dollars would be justifiable. It's still expensive, but ok-ish. It gives you something special for your board, something you look forward to having.
That may not include shipping, fine. You have no control over shipping prices anyway as a small enthusiast.
Just from hyperspheres ebay page he's had around 300 feedback for his rings already.. lets say average person buys 90 rings, that's 27,000 rings sold.
And he's still charging near moq price.. ..
I'd say... around 20-25 dollars would be justifiable. It's still expensive, but ok-ish. It gives you something special for your board, something you look forward to having.
That may not include shipping, fine. You have no control over shipping prices anyway as a small enthusiast.
Just from hyperspheres ebay page he's had around 300 feedback for his rings already.. lets say average person buys 90 rings, that's 27,000 rings sold.
And he's still charging near moq price.. ..
Makes me all worked up inside.. I wanna those rings but not pay price. I CAN'T WIN.
Perhaps just by HHKB Silent.
Also WTF REALFORCE. Just offer 55g silenced 87u. Why either 104 or 45g weighted. What's that bullscheit.
I'd say... around 20-25 dollars would be justifiable. It's still expensive, but ok-ish. It gives you something special for your board, something you look forward to having.
That may not include shipping, fine. You have no control over shipping prices anyway as a small enthusiast.
Just from hyperspheres ebay page he's had around 300 feedback for his rings already.. lets say average person buys 90 rings, that's 27,000 rings sold.
And he's still charging near moq price.. ..
Makes me all worked up inside.. I wanna those rings but not pay price. I CAN'T WIN.
Perhaps just by HHKB Silent.
Also WTF REALFORCE. Just offer 55g silenced 87u. Why either 104 or 45g weighted. What's that bullscheit.
Hahaha, in this instance, the lesser of two evil is realforce.. because at least with them you get the properly spaced slider.
And by the way, you can restore travel and lost tactility that results from silencing rings. Ask me if interested
And by the way, you can restore travel and lost tactility that results from silencing rings. Ask me if interested
Ok I'll bite, how?
If I were him I'd milk the **** out of it.
If I were him I'd milk the **** out of it.
From a pure business perspective, of course you would...but that is also the problem with this community...
We don't act like one...we rip the hell out of each other for a profit. This is, of course, a generalization..plenty of people on here that try to help out people..but the overall trend is to try to make as much of a profit as possible...
You only have to look at the attempts in the classifieds or even the number of people who have done GBs and taken off with people's money...I'm sure this exists in some other enthusiasts boards..but I haven't seen it on any others yet...
Yikes... is it really that bad in classifieds? Makes me afraid ever going there..
Yikes... is it really that bad in classifieds? Makes me afraid ever going there..
Classified prices are off sometimes, but the Price of these orings are REALLLLY off.
Yikes... is it really that bad in classifieds? Makes me afraid ever going there..
Classified prices are off sometimes, but the Price of these orings are REALLLLY off.
It's like... the new MacBook Pro. That's around 1500-1800 dollars too expensive.
Yikes... is it really that bad in classifieds? Makes me afraid ever going there..
Classified prices are off sometimes, but the Price of these orings are REALLLLY off.
It's like... the new MacBook Pro. That's around 1500-1800 dollars too expensive.
Macbook pro at least get you female attention at the library and coffee bars.. tricking them into thinking you're rich.
WTF are these $60 orings going to do..
Limit key travel.. ruin the domes faster by exerting pressure over time..
What a privilege.. !!
BUTT... BUTT... dat upstroke! MUST... BE... ELIMINATED.
I really find it annoying. It makes it feel... cheap. I like the thock, I hate the upstroke.
BUTT... BUTT... dat upstroke! MUST... BE... ELIMINATED.
I really find it annoying. It makes it feel... cheap. I like the thock, I hate the upstroke.
There are many ways this can be done.
Right off the top of my head.. Why not just tape the slider's vertical chimney, then spray the flat surface around it with some plasti-dip..
Just do one, and once you figure out how many coats you need, do the rest..
This method even gives you very good control over the thickness..
oh mah gawd
something is over priced in the mech community
wut will we doooooo
:rolleyes:
If I may just say something - I modded two Novatouches with dental bands.
I spent a lot of time on this, putting those bands on sliders, make sure they all lie down same way, evenly etc
I do not feel any differences between keys, all sound a feels same.
£2 or so for a good mod - I would never spend $40 or so for those pads. It is too expensive for a such a mod, materials, fabrication etc.
I maybe would pay $15 for a set to cover TKL., but still I would need to be convinced that those give better results than dental bands.
Gotcha, so when can we expect your run of ultra cheap silencing rings that rival Hypersphere's?
Now you're getting into the area of private wars.. That is not my intention.. Hypersphere can keep his business.. but he really should not be overcharging by so much..
There's making a profit, and then there's fking people up the ass..
No, don't have one unfortunately.
Omg. It's so simple. Hyperspheres are way too thick anyway. Most of you are all silencing standard stems. Not longer ones like in the hhkb type s..
So.
You are losing so much travel.
Every now and then I see a few photo albums of people buying hole punches and punching out their own rings. I've been doing this from the start with 0.25mm silicone sheet. The difference is incredible and no noticeable upstroke is lost.
Do not support hypersphere.
Eh, TP is just pointing out capitalism.
It's not like TP is saying anything that isn't already known, there are tons of posts of people being like I want to silence my topre board, ELI5! and then following up with "holy **** those things are expensive". He's just creating discussion around it and pointing out that maybe instead of a 2000% margin, Hypersphere would be happy with a more manageable 1000%.
Did TP4 just become "woke" to the perils of capitalism? Is it worth dragging down a longtime trusted member of the community for?
No, don't have one unfortunately.
it's still cheaper than buying a legit silence topre and harvesting their sliders.
it's still cheaper than buying a legit silence topre and harvesting their sliders.
You can easily sell the silenced donor board for $40-$50 cheaper, so the cost is the same. The difference comes down to more hassle (harvesting, swapping, and reselling donor board) for purple sliders vs reduced key travel for the hyperspheres. Since the silencing is a one-time process for a long-term effect, I'd say it's a no-brainer to go for the actual sliders.
it's still cheaper than buying a legit silence topre and harvesting their sliders.
You can easily sell the silenced donor board for $40-$50 cheaper, so the cost is the same. The difference comes down to more hassle (harvesting, swapping, and reselling donor board) for purple sliders vs reduced key travel for the hyperspheres. Since the silencing is a one-time process for a long-term effect, I'd say it's a no-brainer to go for the actual sliders.
I mean I did it... I couldn't sell it for $50 less. It was a full size JP layout realforce that cost me $300. And that was like a month searching on amazon JP. I ended selling it for like $150. Was it worth it? Yeah that keyboard was in a digilog case and those purple sliders sounded great with the aliminum shell. But it costed me more than $50.
PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice theory pay for the product they want. Witness me!
PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice theory pay for the product they want. Witness me!
Don't think it has to be so radical.. angry yes.. but not radical..
But You are correct, the price on these orings are absurd.
The only thing that is absurd is this thread. I find a lot of products are priced way too high, but you know what, I have the choice not to buy them. Others have the choice to buy them. Maybe the seller charges that much because their time is worth that much. If someone else'so time is worth less and they take the initiative, they can produce their own rings for a lower price and improve everyone's quality of life. Otherwise, the only thing we are talking about here is taking choices away from consumers.PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice to pay for the product they want. Witness me!
Don't think it has to be so radical.. angry yes.. but not radical..
But You are correct, the price on these orings are absurd.
The only thing that is absurd is this thread. I find a lot of products are priced way too high, but you know what, I have the choice not to buy them. Others have the choice to buy them. Maybe the seller charges that much because their time is worth that much. If someone else'so time is worth less and they take the initiative, they can produce their own rings for a lower price and improve everyone's quality of life. Otherwise, the only thing we are talking about here is taking choices away from consumers.PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice to pay for the product they want. Witness me!
Don't think it has to be so radical.. angry yes.. but not radical..
But You are correct, the price on these orings are absurd.
Fair is relative. The data provided is, at best, misleading. I have sourced all of the materials required to machine and assemble a 96 key custom keyboard case with a brass weight and plate and for less than $75. Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?The only thing that is absurd is this thread. I find a lot of products are priced way too high, but you know what, I have the choice not to buy them. Others have the choice to buy them. Maybe the seller charges that much because their time is worth that much. If someone else'so time is worth less and they take the initiative, they can produce their own rings for a lower price and improve everyone's quality of life. Otherwise, the only thing we are talking about here is taking choices away from consumers.PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice to pay for the product they want. Witness me!
Don't think it has to be so radical.. angry yes.. but not radical..
But You are correct, the price on these orings are absurd.
oh boy this is how rumors get started and things get blown out of proportion.
Nobody said anything about taking away hyperspheres- TP is simply pointing out that maybe they're unfairly priced and then provided factual data to support.
In fact, this thread has revolved more around your second point, so what is your point?
oh boy this is how rumors get started and things get blown out of proportion.
Nobody said anything about taking away hyperspheres- TP is simply pointing out that maybe they're unfairly priced and then provided factual data to support.
Fair is relative. The data provided is, at best, misleading. I have sourced all of the materials required to machine and assemble a 96 key custom keyboard case with a brass weight and plate and for less than $75. Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?
hahahahahah YES it does... This entire time, I tell people they're getting ripped off paying $400 for straight line milling..
Fair is relative. The data provided is, at best, misleading. I have sourced all of the materials required to machine and assemble a 96 key custom keyboard case with a brass weight and plate and for less than $75. Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?The only thing that is absurd is this thread. I find a lot of products are priced way too high, but you know what, I have the choice not to buy them. Others have the choice to buy them. Maybe the seller charges that much because their time is worth that much. If someone else'so time is worth less and they take the initiative, they can produce their own rings for a lower price and improve everyone's quality of life. Otherwise, the only thing we are talking about here is taking choices away from consumers.PSA!!!!! If I had my way, the undeserved topre market would have one less vendor because I hate people who engage in capitalism! Screw all those people who are happy to pay for the low-production product. They shouldn't have the choice to pay for the product they want. Witness me!
Don't think it has to be so radical.. angry yes.. but not radical..
But You are correct, the price on these orings are absurd.
oh boy this is how rumors get started and things get blown out of proportion.
Nobody said anything about taking away hyperspheres- TP is simply pointing out that maybe they're unfairly priced and then provided factual data to support.
In fact, this thread has revolved more around your second point, so what is your point?
Fair is relative. The data provided is, at best, misleading. I have sourced all of the materials required to machine and assemble a 96 key custom keyboard case with a brass weight and plate and for less than $75. Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?
hahahahahah YES it does... This entire time, I tell people they're getting ripped off paying $400 for straight line milling..
can you make me a cnc alu ergodox case?
i'd buy the **** out of that, especially if it's @ tp4 pricing
More like, is that even a question?Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?Is this a trick question?
More like, is that even a question?Do you think that supports an argument that $400 Korean custom cases are absurdly priced?Is this a trick question?
Korean custom snake oil is sooo smooth.
Now, what I hope was different with all these GeekHack, Reddit, etc communities are that if we could mandate a fixed price for GB items.
Now, what I hope was different with all these GeekHack, Reddit, etc communities are that if we could mandate a fixed price for GB items.
lmao
Now, what I hope was different with all these GeekHack, Reddit, etc communities are that if we could mandate a fixed price for GB items.
lmao
Exactly my reaction after I wrote that sentence. With a few exceptions like some OTD goodies... look at people buying Duck Viper v2 for $700+ for "unbuilt, premium" kits lmao
That is hilarious.
Sure throw all your money if it makes you happy, but I ain't paying almost double the price for the item that I could've gotten if I paid attention to keyboard communities.
If you missed? Out of luck! Maybe you'll get something better later. There will always be new custom keyboards.
2-ply construction with impact-absorbing layer bonded to a tough support layer.
I think the way that people're spending money for double price is very common compared to other hobbies.
Look at the prices that people're willing to pay for Yeezy boost or something very rare, I think every hobby has the same trend.
If you want something very limited and very rare, you have to pay for the ridiculous price.
In case of Duck Viper v2, they were sold out in less than 1 hour.
You might be sleeping or driving, just attention is not enough for this.
Now, what I hope was different with all these GeekHack, Reddit, etc communities are that if we could mandate a fixed price for GB items.
lmao
Exactly my reaction after I wrote that sentence. With a few exceptions like some OTD goodies... look at people buying Duck Viper v2 for $700+ for "unbuilt, premium" kits lmao
That is hilarious.
Sure throw all your money if it makes you happy, but I ain't paying almost double the price for the item that I could've gotten if I paid attention to keyboard communities.
If you missed? Out of luck! Maybe you'll get something better later. There will always be new custom keyboards.
I think the way that people're spending money for double price is very common compared to other hobbies.
Look at the prices that people're willing to pay for Yeezy boost or something very rare, I think every hobby has the same trend.
If you want something very limited and very rare, you have to pay for the ridiculous price.
In case of Duck Viper v2, they were sold out in less than 1 hour.
You might be sleeping or driving, just attention is not enough for this.
Now, what I hope was different with all these GeekHack, Reddit, etc communities are that if we could mandate a fixed price for GB items.
lmao
Exactly my reaction after I wrote that sentence. With a few exceptions like some OTD goodies... look at people buying Duck Viper v2 for $700+ for "unbuilt, premium" kits lmao
That is hilarious.
Sure throw all your money if it makes you happy, but I ain't paying almost double the price for the item that I could've gotten if I paid attention to keyboard communities.
If you missed? Out of luck! Maybe you'll get something better later. There will always be new custom keyboards.
I think the way that people're spending money for double price is very common compared to other hobbies.
Look at the prices that people're willing to pay for Yeezy boost or something very rare, I think every hobby has the same trend.
If you want something very limited and very rare, you have to pay for the ridiculous price.
In case of Duck Viper v2, they were sold out in less than 1 hour.
You might be sleeping or driving, just attention is not enough for this.
Oh yeah don't even start with that Yeezy stuff.
That's straight up retarded paying for grands for a pair of shoes.
I mean, sure, go ahead, if you have that kind of disposable income no one's holding you back..
It's just a piece of rubber and cloth... an overpriced very much at that.
I think there's a certain line for hobbies, but after that it's all insanity :confused:
It's prestige pricing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premium_pricing). By charging more, the seller creates the impression the item's of particularly high quality. And if buyers get that feeling from what they overpay for, it's an agreement the buyer and seller have made to create that experience.
Our whole economic system is sick anyway—how could anything not be that places the value of stuff above the value of people? What you've cited is just one aspect of it. Good luck.
There is no silenced version of the RF RGB. There are no equivalent options available for what Hypersphere's rings provide. They increase my enjoyment of the board and you can't put a price on that.
There is no silenced version of the RF RGB. There are no equivalent options available for what Hypersphere's rings provide. They increase my enjoyment of the board and you can't put a price on that.
You're personally ok with the price.
That's fine.. You could also WAIT for the silence version to come out, so there is a price, the price is to give it some time. as the full silence version will be much more balanced.
But for any new prospective Topre buyers jumping into this, we have to at least explain that you are getting very little for that $60 price tag, and the ultimate performance benefit is Dubious..
1, the slider length is off, leading to no expansion space for the rings to release impact energy which is part of increasing silence. So it's not nearly as effective as the full- S- version.
2, the dome precompression may eventually prematurely WARP or degrade the domes..
As is, the top of the the slider where it contacts the dome has no alignment mechanism, So as the dome is pre-compressed, it does not necessarily seat flush with the slider.
This continuous compression at a slight offset may cause dome Warping in time.
There is no silenced version of the RF RGB. There are no equivalent options available for what Hypersphere's rings provide. They increase my enjoyment of the board and you can't put a price on that.
You're personally ok with the price.
That's fine.. You could also WAIT for the silence version to come out, so there is a price, the price is to give it some time. as the full silence version will be much more balanced.
But for any new prospective Topre buyers jumping into this, we have to at least explain that you are getting very little for that $60 price tag, and the ultimate performance benefit is Dubious..
1, the slider length is off, leading to no expansion space for the rings to release impact energy which is part of increasing silence. So it's not nearly as effective as the full- S- version.
2, the dome precompression may eventually prematurely WARP or degrade the domes..
As is, the top of the the slider where it contacts the dome has no alignment mechanism, So as the dome is pre-compressed, it does not necessarily seat flush with the slider.
This continuous compression at a slight offset may cause dome Warping in time.
Dome warping? I would seriously pay money to see some kind of simulation that expresses this visually
I just discovered this thread and I feel obligated to stop in and say: holy sh*t TP, you've got some issues. I really don't like to resort to personal attacks on public forums but you are clearly getting very upset over a non-issue.
Stop trying to force other people see things the same way as you and you will be a much happier person.
If you're going to get mad about every person or company making money then hypersphere is bottom of the list. How about the most valuable company in the world regularly making 40% profits on their phones and computers while making hundreds of dollars per sale? And they even have competition from android and windows so it's not a monopoly like hypersphere rings are...
Stop trying to force other people see things the same way as you and you will be a much happier person.
When it comes down to it, You are wrong about the physical properties of swapping to hyperspheres.. PERIOD.
You have no bases as to claim they are equivalent to the type-s.
Every report has indicated thus far that while --similar-- they do not feel the same.
They are reported as TOO THICK, as to indicate NOT ONLY pre-compression, but also warping potential over the long run..
The mechanical reason comes down to Slider mismatch..
WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY, they revised the Type-S slider from the original sliders..
If it is a choice between over-priced o-rings and Type-S, Type-S is the ONLY choice, because it properly compensates for the ring's added thickness.
Wow man you are absolutely DELUSIONAL and still ignoring basically all of my counter-arguments.
No one is killing anyone else, they are making and selling a product. If someone wants to buy it, then they do. If no one agrees that the current price is fair, then the seller will lower the price until it has buyers.
Also, even if I agreed with your argument, your logic isn't sound at all. Someone that kills 100 people is a greater priority for arrest than someone that kills 1. If you think that selling something for profit is immoral, you should be mad at the ones selling a lot of something for a big profit.
I won't be returning to this thread but just know that anyone reading this can clearly see that you are unstable.
I just can't overcome the idea that silicone can warp at room temperature. Thin silicone will crack if folded and stored in 37-54°C. I've seen't it. But the 2002 waterproof keyboard that I bought back in the day shows no signs of warping (war ping? I should copyright that..). Although humidity seeped into the crack and wrecked the circuitry. RIP floppy keyboard.
OP has some major issues. Surprised this thread has not been locked yet. You can't just call the dude a greedy pig etc when you have no evidence to back up your claims. If you really could make the same thing at the same level of quality for cheap someone would have done so already and undercut him.
I just can't overcome the idea that silicone can warp at room temperature. Thin silicone will crack if folded and stored in 37-54°C. I've seen't it. But the 2002 waterproof keyboard that I bought back in the day shows no signs of warping (war ping? I should copyright that..). Although humidity seeped into the crack and wrecked the circuitry. RIP floppy keyboard.
The Silicone warping is a hedge bet, But silicone is not a very rigid structure, and if any pressure is place on it unevenly, then the plasticizer will leak unevenly relative to its original un-encumbered shape.
overtime = warp
I just can't overcome the idea that silicone can warp at room temperature. Thin silicone will crack if folded and stored in 37-54°C. I've seen't it. But the 2002 waterproof keyboard that I bought back in the day shows no signs of warping (war ping? I should copyright that..). Although humidity seeped into the crack and wrecked the circuitry. RIP floppy keyboard.
The Silicone warping is a hedge bet, But silicone is not a very rigid structure, and if any pressure is place on it unevenly, then the plasticizer will leak unevenly relative to its original un-encumbered shape.
overtime = warp
So add more plasticizer to the silicone with silicone spray? It would have to be applied evenly and could affect the tactile curve and resistance but it'll re-supple where required, right? I've mentioned that before regarding older Topre board domes but people seem to be adverse to spraying their domes with silicone spray.
Stop trying to force other people see things the same way as you and you will be a much happier person.
When it comes down to it, You are wrong about the physical properties of swapping to hyperspheres.. PERIOD.
You have no bases as to claim they are equivalent to the type-s.
Every report has indicated thus far that while --similar-- they do not feel the same.
They are reported as TOO THICK, as to indicate NOT ONLY pre-compression, but also warping potential over the long run..
The mechanical reason comes down to Slider mismatch..
WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY, they revised the Type-S slider from the original sliders..
If it is a choice between over-priced o-rings and Type-S, Type-S is the ONLY choice, because it properly compensates for the ring's added thickness.
You can't compare Hypersphere Rings to a Type-S though, as the Type-S slider barrels are slightly longer to accommodate for the silencing ring, while the regular HHKB sliders do not accommodate for this.
I just can't overcome the idea that silicone can warp at room temperature. Thin silicone will crack if folded and stored in 37-54°C. I've seen't it. But the 2002 waterproof keyboard that I bought back in the day shows no signs of warping (war ping? I should copyright that..). Although humidity seeped into the crack and wrecked the circuitry. RIP floppy keyboard.
The Silicone warping is a hedge bet, But silicone is not a very rigid structure, and if any pressure is place on it unevenly, then the plasticizer will leak unevenly relative to its original un-encumbered shape.
overtime = warp
So add more plasticizer to the silicone with silicone spray? It would have to be applied evenly and could affect the tactile curve and resistance but it'll re-supple where required, right? I've mentioned that before regarding older Topre board domes but people seem to be adverse to spraying their domes with silicone spray.
Think about an orange, you squeeze it Just a little, some of the pulp is broken, and the juices leak out..
You can rub it up all you want, but you will never be able to erect the precise pulp which has leaked or broken.
That is the same case with silicone leaking plasticizer.
Oranges? Alright, but an orange is much more porous when compared to silicone. So what you're saying is the plasticizer evaporates like normal and the sections of silicone affected by the theoretical warping lose more from evaporation because of the redistribution of plasticizer? Would this theoretical warping be perceivable to the end user? I would think someone would need some sophisticated equipment to measure that kind of deviation.
You can't compare Hypersphere Rings to a Type-S though, as the Type-S slider barrels are slightly longer to accommodate for the silencing ring, while the regular HHKB sliders do not accommodate for this.
You can't compare Hypersphere Rings to a Type-S though, as the Type-S slider barrels are slightly longer to accommodate for the silencing ring, while the regular HHKB sliders do not accommodate for this.
I see people say this a lot but I don't really understand.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the key bottoms out when the base of the slider fully compresses the dome and spring into the PCB. Now, I'm not saying there isn't something different about Type-S sliders, but if there is, I don't see how making the slider barrel longer would affect the travel.
This means you could make the slider barrel 40 cm taller so the keycap is sticking way up in the air and it wouldn't affect the pre-compression or length of the stroke. You would have to make the base of the slider thinner to accommodate the thickness of the ring, or make an indentation for the dome to recede into the base of the slider if you wanted to return the travel to its original specifications. Perhaps I'll take apart my Type-S later and examine it closer.
You can't compare Hypersphere Rings to a Type-S though, as the Type-S slider barrels are slightly longer to accommodate for the silencing ring, while the regular HHKB sliders do not accommodate for this.
I see people say this a lot but I don't really understand.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the key bottoms out when the base of the slider fully compresses the dome and spring into the PCB. Now, I'm not saying there isn't something different about Type-S sliders, but if there is, I don't see how making the slider barrel longer would affect the travel.
This means you could make the slider barrel 40 cm taller so the keycap is sticking way up in the air and it wouldn't affect the pre-compression or length of the stroke. You would have to make the base of the slider thinner to accommodate the thickness of the ring, or make an indentation for the dome to recede into the base of the slider if you wanted to return the travel to its original specifications. Perhaps I'll take apart my Type-S later and examine it closer.
The new sliders have Thinner base to compensate for the thickness of the ring, ONTOP of longer barrel for travel.
Which is why the S-Type is absolutely the best solution to silencing.. and COMPLETELY superior to overpriced -orings which operate out of spec, and may do long term damage to your keyboard.
Except that Type-S also costs far more than the price of a standard HHKB + Hyperspheres ;)
Just FYI all, Topre keyboards are all overpriced. Don't deny the fact! lol
I have 2 HHKB Type-S and 1 HHKB BT, and have gone through the regular HHKB Pro 2, RF 104 45g silent, and RF 87 EK Edition (45g), and I'd say all of them are overpriced for what they are.
I don't blame the price though- there aren't that many competitors that will compete against Realforce and HHKB series within capacitive keyboard market.
Maybe if Realforce and HHKB had real competitor screaming high quality, maybe they'll do something with their pricing.
Just FYI all, Topre keyboards are all overpriced. Don't deny the fact! lolI have a Packard Bell Keyboard that sells for about $15 on today's market, and it'seemed comparable to topre for less than 10% of the price. It also has cherry stems, so it'should arguably better.
I have 2 HHKB Type-S and 1 HHKB BT, and have gone through the regular HHKB Pro 2, RF 104 45g silent, and RF 87 EK Edition (45g), and I'd say all of them are overpriced for what they are.
I don't blame the price though- there aren't that many competitors that will compete against Realforce and HHKB series within capacitive keyboard market.
Maybe if Realforce and HHKB had real competitor screaming high quality, maybe they'll do something with their pricing.
Just FYI all, Topre keyboards are all overpriced. Don't deny the fact! lolI have a Packard Bell Keyboard that sells for about $15 on today's market, and it'seemed comparable to topre for less than 10% of the price. It also has cherry stems, so it'should arguably better.
I have 2 HHKB Type-S and 1 HHKB BT, and have gone through the regular HHKB Pro 2, RF 104 45g silent, and RF 87 EK Edition (45g), and I'd say all of them are overpriced for what they are.
I don't blame the price though- there aren't that many competitors that will compete against Realforce and HHKB series within capacitive keyboard market.
Maybe if Realforce and HHKB had real competitor screaming high quality, maybe they'll do something with their pricing.
Just FYI all, Topre keyboards are all overpriced. Don't deny the fact! lolI have a Packard Bell Keyboard that sells for about $15 on today's market, and it'seemed comparable to topre for less than 10% of the price. It also has cherry stems, so it'should arguably better.
I have 2 HHKB Type-S and 1 HHKB BT, and have gone through the regular HHKB Pro 2, RF 104 45g silent, and RF 87 EK Edition (45g), and I'd say all of them are overpriced for what they are.
I don't blame the price though- there aren't that many competitors that will compete against Realforce and HHKB series within capacitive keyboard market.
Maybe if Realforce and HHKB had real competitor screaming high quality, maybe they'll do something with their pricing.
hahahah.
Ok we're not going to incite the wrath of the Topre fans on this one, by going that far..
But whether you're a fan of Topre or not..
DO NOT support Hypersphere, because he is blatantly overcharging // fleecing New Users to the keyboard hobby..
Do you not see your own hypocrisy in this post??? Topre can manufacture an HHKB for under $50, as evidenced by the plum Chinese topre clones. You should be up on your soapbox saying that they are fleecing users and they're taking way more than hypersphere.
I'm just telling it how I see it. I don't have any issue with Topre, they just don't produce any boards I would buy. The real force has a enormous bezel, and the hhkb is missing 2 keys on the bottom row.Just FYI all, Topre keyboards are all overpriced. Don't deny the fact! lolI have a Packard Bell Keyboard that sells for about $15 on today's market, and it'seemed comparable to topre for less than 10% of the price. It also has cherry stems, so it'should arguably better.
I have 2 HHKB Type-S and 1 HHKB BT, and have gone through the regular HHKB Pro 2, RF 104 45g silent, and RF 87 EK Edition (45g), and I'd say all of them are overpriced for what they are.
I don't blame the price though- there aren't that many competitors that will compete against Realforce and HHKB series within capacitive keyboard market.
Maybe if Realforce and HHKB had real competitor screaming high quality, maybe they'll do something with their pricing.
hahahah.
Ok we're not going to incite the wrath of the Topre fans on this one, by going that far..
I'm just telling it how I see it. I don't have any issue with Topre, they just don't produce any boards I would buy. The real force has a enormous bezel, and the hhkb is missing 2 keys on the bottom row.
Where's halverson or fanpeople, they could back Tp4 up on how creepy Tp4 is... hahahahahahaha
Where's halverson or fanpeople, they could back Tp4 up on how creepy Tp4 is... hahahahahahaha
Subbing in as halverson's temporary intern (he doesn't know tho please don't tell him..)
Confirmed. Albeit very informative at times, tp4tissue is probably most likely one of the creepiest guys in the verse.
You can't compare Hypersphere Rings to a Type-S though, as the Type-S slider barrels are slightly longer to accommodate for the silencing ring, while the regular HHKB sliders do not accommodate for this.
I see people say this a lot but I don't really understand.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the key bottoms out when the base of the slider fully compresses the dome and spring into the PCB. Now, I'm not saying there isn't something different about Type-S sliders, but if there is, I don't see how making the slider barrel longer would affect the travel.
This means you could make the slider barrel 40 cm taller so the keycap is sticking way up in the air and it wouldn't affect the pre-compression or length of the stroke. You would have to make the base of the slider thinner to accommodate the thickness of the ring, or make an indentation for the dome to recede into the base of the slider if you wanted to return the travel to its original specifications. Perhaps I'll take apart my Type-S later and examine it closer.
Hyperspheres are the artisans of silencing rings.
Imo beehatch's dental bands are just as good an really only lose in my book regarding long term quality.
I for one kinda feel dumb for paying what I did for them, but then again whatever Yolo Nam sayin
except dental bands feel like trash too
Topre silencing, in my opinion, isn't even very necessary. It's already a very quiet switch.
Topre silencing, in my opinion, isn't even very necessary. It's already a very quiet switch.
Not on boards made by Topre, but on the Novatouch or any other board with MX sliders I would say it's necessary.
DO NOT support Hypersphere, because he is blatantly overcharging // fleecing New Users to the keyboard hobby.."Overcharging", yes... its called capitalism and I would too. Why would he go to the trouble of all that work without making a profit?
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
I can totally understand why someone would want to laser cut these little guys. Centering that middle punch a few hundred times would frustrate me to no end.
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
I can totally understand why someone would want to laser cut these little guys. Centering that middle punch a few hundred times would frustrate me to no end.
then ur doing it wrong. hahahaha
draw lines on the sheet first and just line it up.. straight everytime.
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
I can totally understand why someone would want to laser cut these little guys. Centering that middle punch a few hundred times would frustrate me to no end.
then ur doing it wrong. hahahaha
draw lines on the sheet first and just line it up.. straight everytime.
Lordy. Even if I did it the 'right way' a few hundred times it would still frustrate me to no end. Besides, it's 2017, why not laser cut if you want to do more than 105?
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
I can totally understand why someone would want to laser cut these little guys. Centering that middle punch a few hundred times would frustrate me to no end.
then ur doing it wrong. hahahaha
draw lines on the sheet first and just line it up.. straight everytime.
Lordy. Even if I did it the 'right way' a few hundred times it would still frustrate me to no end. Besides, it's 2017, why not laser cut if you want to do more than 105?
wellll.. for rings, it's actually really easy,
Because I could go out tomorrow.. Buy a 5 watt laser bolt it to my cnc, and make hundreds of these in less than an hour.
IN FACT, if we really wanted to Geekhack could BUY a laser etcher for ~300, it's not gonna be fast, but it's accurate enough for cutting small stuff.
He's okay. If you want cheap hypersphere-like rings (that are not that "premium" quality, I guess), you can cut your own (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40582.msg2410456#msg2410456).
It costs just about 1-2 cents per ring all things considered (~600 rings per sheet).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tq3HcXS.jpg)
I can totally understand why someone would want to laser cut these little guys. Centering that middle punch a few hundred times would frustrate me to no end.
then ur doing it wrong. hahahaha
draw lines on the sheet first and just line it up.. straight everytime.
Lordy. Even if I did it the 'right way' a few hundred times it would still frustrate me to no end. Besides, it's 2017, why not laser cut if you want to do more than 105?
wellll.. for rings, it's actually really easy,
Because I could go out tomorrow.. Buy a 5 watt laser bolt it to my cnc, and make hundreds of these in less than an hour.
IN FACT, if we really wanted to Geekhack could BUY a laser etcher for ~300, it's not gonna be fast, but it's accurate enough for cutting small stuff.
GOOD NEWS GUYS TP IS GOING THROUGH WITH HIS GROUP BUY
Where's halverson or fanpeople, they could back Tp4 up on how creepy Tp4 is... hahahahahahaha
Subbing in as halverson's temporary intern (he doesn't know tho please don't tell him..)
Confirmed. Albeit very informative at times, tp4tissue is probably most likely one of the creepiest guys in the verse.