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Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: rdjack21 on Sat, 20 February 2010, 20:57:55: Browsing around Yahoo Japan today and came across this keyboard that had the perfect keyboard box. Why because they put on the box exactly how this keyboard will feel when you type on it like Musha! Finally a keyboard manufacture who is willing to tell the truth about their keyboard on the box!!!

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8017&stc=1&d=1266720789)

and for completeness here is the keyboard:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8018&stc=1&d=1266720789)
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kriminal on Sat, 20 February 2010, 21:03:38: i lol'ed @ this..
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sat, 20 February 2010, 21:10:08: I still think this one (http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?t=7657) was better.

Accuracy vs. Humour...hmm.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sat, 20 February 2010, 21:29:37: The question then is...what's better, injection of laser keycap or 800dpi?
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: quadibloc on Sat, 20 February 2010, 23:35:50: Of course, not to spoil the joke, "Kagemusha" is not only the title of a famous movie by Akira Kurosawa, but it means "Shadow Warrior" in Japanese.

So I expect this backlit keyboard is aimed at gamers.

Looking up the keyboard, thanks to Google Translate, I find that, no, there is no fear of embarassment, though, that the keyboard really used good mechanical switches:

"Blue LED illumination built-in keyboard! Membrane switch + light typing feel achieved by adopting Surimukitoppu!" - and the keyboard is made by a company called Scythe.

A further web search found that "Irumineshonkitoppu" referred to the transparent characters through which the light of the blue LEDs could shine, so "Irumine" is apparently "Illuminate" and "kitoppu" is apparently "Keytop".

Another search allowed me to discover that "Surimu" is itself derived from English, and means "slim".

So presumably what it got the light typing feel by adopting was "low-profile key tops".
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: msiegel on Sat, 20 February 2010, 23:43:56: great detective work
XD
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: JaccoW on Sun, 21 February 2010, 08:41:24: Scythe (http://www.scythe-usa.com/) is a well known Japanses supplier of aftermarket (cpu)coolers, fans, fancontrollers and the Scythe Kama Cabinet: XD
(http://images.hardware.info/news/Scythe_Kama_Kabinet.jpg)
And various usefull, and not so usefull accessories.

I've got a nice fancontroller and a 3.5" Floppy-drive/cardreader combo-drive (http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/018/ye8v08_detail.html) from them.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sun, 21 February 2010, 08:52:11: What's the format support like on the floppy portion?

I have a USB floppy drive (Dynex brand)...it always manages to screw SOMETHING up formatting to 720k.

I'm always keeping my eyes open for something like this:

(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=8026&stc=1&d=1266763819)
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: microsoft windows on Sun, 21 February 2010, 09:24:22: If you want a double floppy drive in your computer, make sure that its floppy controller can handle two floppy drives. On most computers made nowadays, their floppy controller can only handle one drive. If yours is like that, you might need a PCI floppy controller.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sun, 21 February 2010, 09:28:09: ECS 755-A2.

You must have missed the post in 'big rig specs' where I specified I've run it with two floppies in the past?
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Oqsy on Sun, 21 February 2010, 11:17:46: Does anyone know if any mechanical boards popular here have "Automatic Production Quality"? I've been looking for a good "APQ" board for gaming / database management, but alas all the boards I've found so far have had "Manual Production Quality", and we all know what a pain that can be for gaming.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Sun, 21 February 2010, 11:24:26: You need an analog keyboard. I see them on ebay.de quite frequently.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 21 February 2010, 12:50:32: You need a delicious Italian keyboard. They are much tastiera than others. (http://informatica.shop.ebay.it/items/Informatica_Periferiche_Tastiere_W0QQ_catrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_npmvZ3QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em282)
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 21 February 2010, 15:02:01: Quote from: microsoft windows;159792
If you want a double floppy drive in your computer, make sure that its floppy controller can handle two floppy drives. On most computers made nowadays, their floppy controller can only handle one drive. If yours is like that, you might need a PCI floppy controller.

Alternative: LS-120 drive.

It runs on an IDE channel, but Windows treats it as drive A, then a 5.25 is drive B.

External LS-120s are often internal ones in a fancy case and can be cracked open, especially if you can do without a front bezel.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 21 February 2010, 15:03:05: Just add a LS-120 as drive A, and the 5.25 as drive B. The LS-120 is IDE.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sun, 21 February 2010, 15:11:32: Quote from: Hak Foo;159872
Just add a LS-120 as drive A, and the 5.25 as drive B. The LS-120 is IDE.

In my case not a problem; my floppy controller will do two drives no problem.

The BIOS even lets you set a 5.25" to be 360k...but I haven't a 360k drive to test functionality with, just high density.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: Rajagra on Sun, 21 February 2010, 15:29:16: I'll upgrade to one of those IBM 2.8MB floppies one day...
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 21 February 2010, 15:32:02: I dug a 2.88MB floppy drive out of an old PS/2 Model 55 I found. Problem was that it used a proprietary interface that was combination power/data. Guess I'd need to find one designed for a regular PC.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Sun, 21 February 2010, 16:04:12: Hang onto that PS/2 drive. They die all the time; if you don't have a use for it someone else will.

CH if there's any chance you come across a PS/2 Model 30-286 please let me know, I'm looking for a couple small parts (and I've been looking long enough that yes, shipping from the other side of the world does seem like an appealing option).
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: keyb_gr on Sun, 21 February 2010, 17:41:03: Quote from: kishy;159882
Hang onto that PS/2 drive. They die all the time; if you don't have a use for it someone else will.

They have two problems:
1. No real dust protection. Can be extremely dirty inside.
2. Dead-o-lytics.[tm] Yeah, the notorious surface mount ones.

Think my P70's floppy suffers from #2, as the drive stopped working after I had the thing in storage for a while.
Title: Re: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: HaaTa on Mon, 22 February 2010, 00:08:09: Quote
Scythe (http://www.scythe-usa.com/) is a well known Japanses supplier of aftermarket (cpu)coolers, fans, fancontrollers and the Scythe Kama Cabinet: XD

Show Image
(http://images.hardware.info/news/Scythe_Kama_Kabinet.jpg)

And various usefull, and not so usefull accessories.

I've got a nice fancontroller and a 3.5" Floppy-drive/cardreader combo-drive (http://www.scythe-usa.com/product/acc/018/ye8v08_detail.html) from them.

Small tidbit, Scythe sells the Cherry G80-3600 (MX Red) in Japan.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 22 February 2010, 00:36:08: True, they show different products on different websites.

Quote from: kishy;159789
What's the format support like on the floppy portion?

What do you mean? I usually only use it for more recent high density floppy's.
I could test it for you though.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Mon, 22 February 2010, 04:47:53: Quote from: JaccoW;159923
What do you mean? I usually only use it for more recent high density floppy's.
I could test it for you though.

Nah don't go out of your way, I had just noticed that modern floppy drives seem to dislike being used for double density media and was wondering if you'd noticed that (obviously being a modern floppy drive, not made in 1992) having issues with any old media you may have tried in it.
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: JaccoW on Mon, 22 February 2010, 06:00:21: Isn't that also based on what setting your controller is set in bios?
I recall seeing the option to choose high density or normal on the various boards I have used.
Maybe only more expensive controllers can handle both so manufacturers leave it out?
Title: Truth in Advertising on this Keyboard Box
Post by: kishy on Mon, 22 February 2010, 07:14:51: Quote from: JaccoW;159934
Isn't that also based on what setting your controller is set in bios?
I recall seeing the option to choose high density or normal on the various boards I have used.
Maybe only more expensive controllers can handle both so manufacturers leave it out?

The controller setting has to match the drive (if you want proper reliable operation), not necessarily the media. Generally speaking any of them are backwards compatible...a high density drive should read high and double density media assuming the drive is a good one.