Post by: fishpod on Thu, 22 June 2017, 20:23:59
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I will close the IC thread once the GB post is approved,
will open this up again for a WS1 set (or start a new post), once all sets are shipped and all replacements are fulfilled (if there were to be some sorting problem)
thank you for all your support, its been amazing working with you guys! :thumb: :thumb:
GB post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91796.0
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So..... here are the final results
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Sorry, CP is gone :( which is also my favorite
But the question is...
L9 or WS1??? they got the same votes lol.
I am only going to run 1 set at the moment, and maybe leave the other choice for a future run
What do you guys think? I will be asking around :) and decision will be made ASAP
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Sorry, CP is gone :( which is also my favorite
But the question is...
L9 or WS1??? they got the same votes lol.
I am only going to run 1 set at the moment, and maybe leave the other choice for a future run
What do you guys think? I will be asking around :) and decision will be made ASAP
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08/18 Update! Final poll is on!
Please vote for your favorite BoW
link removed
Please vote for your favorite BoW
This will be the final poll for GMK BoW. Thank you for all your support! Once the results are up, I will get the pricing and render from GMK and the GB will begin ;)
COLORS: CR on WS1, CP, or L9
LEGENDS: YURI ICON MODS for WS1 and CP; Icon+Text for L9
LAYOUT: will be the same as the old renders, but the R3 Ctrl for hhkb will be changed to a non-stepped version
PROFILE: cherry profile, unfortunately all three choices will all be only offering a standard 1-1-2-3-4-4 profile.
Why no R0 and R5 for L9 like you said before in the IC?
R0 and R5 will make the price higher, and with the extra mark up the price will be over my acceptance range :( so i have to eliminate it. Sorry guys.
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07/30 UPDATE!
POLL RESULTS
we did 2 polls, one on legends of the modifiers and one on the whites.
we collected votes from both the Chinese community and the international communities (in this case GH & r/mk)
here are the results
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interestingly, the Chinese community and the international community showed different interests ;)
might dig thru more in future polls
THOUGHTS
We still have one more poll to go!
legends:
ICON is the most voted, ICON+TEXT the second, sadly TEXT only will be eliminated.
white:
Surprisingly, WS1 is the most voted. If we look at the total numbers, I would say CP and L9 are close. According to these numbers, I am NOT eliminating any of these colors.
So.... here are my PLANS
PLANS
this is what I have in mind
A: we go modern classic - CP or WS1 with ICON mods 1-1-2-3-4-4
B: we go vintage AF - L9 with icon+text mods with R0 and R5
once i get the new renders, i will post a new poll :)
STAY TUNED!
Thank you for all your support :thumb:
POLL RESULTS
we did 2 polls, one on legends of the modifiers and one on the whites.
we collected votes from both the Chinese community and the international communities (in this case GH & r/mk)
here are the results
[attachimg=5]
interestingly, the Chinese community and the international community showed different interests ;)
might dig thru more in future polls
THOUGHTS
We still have one more poll to go!
legends:
ICON is the most voted, ICON+TEXT the second, sadly TEXT only will be eliminated.
white:
Surprisingly, WS1 is the most voted. If we look at the total numbers, I would say CP and L9 are close. According to these numbers, I am NOT eliminating any of these colors.
So.... here are my PLANS
PLANS
this is what I have in mind
A: we go modern classic - CP or WS1 with ICON mods 1-1-2-3-4-4
B: we go vintage AF - L9 with icon+text mods with R0 and R5
once i get the new renders, i will post a new poll :)
STAY TUNED!
Thank you for all your support :thumb:
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SORRY I MADE A HUGE MISTAKE!!! THE GB HAS NOT STARTED AND THE LAYOUT AND COLORS ARE YET TO DECIDE
I MODIFIED THE WRONG POST :((((( Sorry for the inconvenience
MY BAD.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT
UPDATE:
07/14
VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE WHITE!!
https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1 (https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1)
Now we have 143 keys in total. Are there any keys that are redundant? Can some of them be removed? I want to hear from you guys ;)
Also, i will reveal the results of the poll for modifiers later. stay tuned!
thank you for all your support ;)
I MODIFIED THE WRONG POST :((((( Sorry for the inconvenience
MY BAD.
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT
UPDATE:
07/14
VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE WHITE!!
https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1 (https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1)
Now we have 143 keys in total. Are there any keys that are redundant? Can some of them be removed? I want to hear from you guys ;)
Also, i will reveal the results of the poll for modifiers later. stay tuned!
thank you for all your support ;)
RENDERS ARE IN:
WS1
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CP
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L9
[attachimg=4]
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06/29
CURRENT PLANS:
Adding R1 1u \|
I dont plan to add an extra kit of mods, so i need your opinion on what legend should i use on mods. Text only? Icon+Text? or Icon only?
Vote here:https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3 (https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3)
planning renders for a WS1 set/ a CP set/ a L9 set, once the renders are done i will upload the renders and a google form to see how you guys think
06/27
I am changing the icon mods to text mods
and at the same time I need some suggestion on my choice of WHITE. WS1 may be too white, CP would make this identical to Stormtrooper (and i would really want to avoid any "discussions" on identical colorway, but if you guys are ok with CP then i will change it to CP.) Other suggestions on which white should i use on this set are welcomed ;)
L9 is too beige, and may look too vintage for some.
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IF THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS BEEN ASKING FOR…
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Base Kit:
ANSI 104
Modifier legend: icon
F J Scooped
Total: 104 keys
Tangan Kit:
R3:
1u F bar, J bar
1.75u Stepped Caps,
R4: 1u Code×2(Text), 1u Fn, 1.75u Shift(Icon), 2.25u Shift(Icon), 1.5u Ctrl×2, 1.5u Alt×2, 7u Spacebar
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 13 keys
1800 Kit:
R1: 1u Delete, 1u End, 1u PgDn
R2: 1u “-”,
R3: 1u"+",
R4: 1u Alt×2, 1u Ctrl×2, 1u Menu, 6u Spacebar
R4: 1u "0, Ins"
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 12 keys
HHKB Kit:
R1:
1u “←”(icon)
1.5u “HHKB Backspace”(Icon)
R3:
1.75u Control
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 3 keys
ISO Kit
R1: 1u "┐、", "# 2", "￡3"
R3: 1u"~#", 1u "@."
R4: 1u "|\"
R3: ISO Enter
R4: 1.25u Shift
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 8 keys
75% Kit
R2: 1u PgUp
R3: 1u PgDn
R4: 1u End
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 3 keys
Total keys 143
You may notice that I am currently doing IC for JT White on Black, and I am still going to continue with my JT WoB, link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0)
During the IC stage of the JT WoB, many of you guys have been asking for a BoW instead of a WoB or maybe run both at the same time.
;^) So I am planning to run a Black on White with your favorite GMK.
I have been busy dealing with a lot of work these days, so I apologize for lack of reply on my IC threads. And first, I will have to continue with my JT WoB and when it goes through GB I will get my hands on preparing this set. Probably will happen before WoB hits the shipping stage.
Sorry to have you guys waiting, but I am not planning to run WoB and BoW at the same time, BUT THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON!
CURRENT PLANS:
Adding R1 1u \|
I dont plan to add an extra kit of mods, so i need your opinion on what legend should i use on mods. Text only? Icon+Text? or Icon only?
Vote here:https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3 (https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3)
planning renders for a WS1 set/ a CP set/ a L9 set, once the renders are done i will upload the renders and a google form to see how you guys think
06/27
I am changing the icon mods to text mods
and at the same time I need some suggestion on my choice of WHITE. WS1 may be too white, CP would make this identical to Stormtrooper (and i would really want to avoid any "discussions" on identical colorway, but if you guys are ok with CP then i will change it to CP.) Other suggestions on which white should i use on this set are welcomed ;)
L9 is too beige, and may look too vintage for some.
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IF THIS IS WHAT YOU GUYS BEEN ASKING FOR…
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Base Kit:
ANSI 104
Modifier legend: icon
F J Scooped
Total: 104 keys
Tangan Kit:
R3:
1u F bar, J bar
1.75u Stepped Caps,
R4: 1u Code×2(Text), 1u Fn, 1.75u Shift(Icon), 2.25u Shift(Icon), 1.5u Ctrl×2, 1.5u Alt×2, 7u Spacebar
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 13 keys
1800 Kit:
R1: 1u Delete, 1u End, 1u PgDn
R2: 1u “-”,
R3: 1u"+",
R4: 1u Alt×2, 1u Ctrl×2, 1u Menu, 6u Spacebar
R4: 1u "0, Ins"
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 12 keys
HHKB Kit:
R1:
1u “←”(icon)
1.5u “HHKB Backspace”(Icon)
R3:
1.75u Control
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 3 keys
ISO Kit
R1: 1u "┐、", "# 2", "￡3"
R3: 1u"~#", 1u "@."
R4: 1u "|\"
R3: ISO Enter
R4: 1.25u Shift
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 8 keys
75% Kit
R2: 1u PgUp
R3: 1u PgDn
R4: 1u End
Base color : WS1
Legend color: CR
Total: 3 keys
Total keys 143
You may notice that I am currently doing IC for JT White on Black, and I am still going to continue with my JT WoB, link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0)
During the IC stage of the JT WoB, many of you guys have been asking for a BoW instead of a WoB or maybe run both at the same time.
;^) So I am planning to run a Black on White with your favorite GMK.
I have been busy dealing with a lot of work these days, so I apologize for lack of reply on my IC threads. And first, I will have to continue with my JT WoB and when it goes through GB I will get my hands on preparing this set. Probably will happen before WoB hits the shipping stage.
Sorry to have you guys waiting, but I am not planning to run WoB and BoW at the same time, BUT THIS WILL HAPPEN SOON!
Post by: neralo on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:09:51
Post by: Cocopah on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:13:41
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:14:04
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:15:10
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:22:30
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:30:39
To make this even more universal, I would make it icon modifiers only.
icon mods are awful
pls no
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 22 June 2017, 21:36:10
To make this even more universal, I would make it icon modifiers only.
icon mods are awful
pls no
+1
I might be interested in this depending on the win keys & price, but if it's icon only mods count me out.
Post by: kconfire on Sat, 24 June 2017, 00:54:35
Post by: Oblotzky on Sat, 24 June 2017, 07:10:06
Edit: Wait no, that was white on black, but still a valid argument I think. Good luck of course!
Post by: ideus on Sat, 24 June 2017, 07:21:52
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 24 June 2017, 10:41:03
Post by: PancakeMSTR on Sun, 25 June 2017, 23:37:02
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 26 June 2017, 13:45:04
Post by: aznreaper on Mon, 26 June 2017, 13:56:15
Post by: xantiema on Mon, 26 June 2017, 15:09:21
Yeah, it should be black on white, so black text on white keycaps
Great, I am in.
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 26 June 2017, 18:06:21
Post by: darkslay3r on Tue, 27 June 2017, 00:25:18
Post by: [Lewynlight] on Tue, 27 June 2017, 00:28:07
icon mod already killed HF Redux for me, pls not for this one.
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 27 June 2017, 00:45:34
Also, please 1.5u Code (or any OS neutral key) ;)
Post by: ctrlX on Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:08:19
Suggestion: make the mods all text like GMK Oblivion. Having this in usual GMK modifier make it no difference than GMK Stormtrooper.+1
Also, please 1.5u Code (or any OS neutral key) ;)
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Post by: fishpod on Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:44:14
Suggestion: make the mods all text like GMK Oblivion. Having this in usual GMK modifier make it no difference than GMK Stormtrooper.
Also, please 1.5u Code (or any OS neutral key) ;)
Thanks for your suggestion! I am seeing a lot of request for text mods! Its very likely that i will change it to text mods ;)
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:46:00
I think R1 "|\"' is missing in HHKB kit and a 6u space bar off centered stem.
Noted!
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 27 June 2017, 01:54:07
and at the same time I need some suggestion on my choice of WHITE. WS1 may be too white, CP would make this identical to Stormtrooper (and i would really want to avoid any "discussions" on identical colorway, but if you guys are ok with CP then i will change it to CP.) Other suggestions on which white should i use on this set are welcomed ;)
L9 is too beige, and may look too vintage for some.
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Post by: jebbra on Tue, 27 June 2017, 02:49:38
I am going to make the MODs with text instead of icon ;)
and at the same time I need some suggestion on my choice of WHITE. WS1 may be too white, CP would make this identical to Stormtrooper (and i would really want to avoid any "discussions" on identical colorway, but if you guys are ok with CP then i will change it to CP.) Other suggestions on which white should i use on this set are welcomed ;)
L9 is too beige, and may look too vintage for some.
(Attachment Link)
I have GMK color chips, will take some real life photos of the whites and blacks this weekend. Btw I even thinking about N9 or even 2B legends for a more calm vibe compared with contrast CR. Because it's already contrast enough with whatever-black legend on whatever-white key.
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 27 June 2017, 03:44:58
I am going to make the MODs with text instead of icon ;)
and at the same time I need some suggestion on my choice of WHITE. WS1 may be too white, CP would make this identical to Stormtrooper (and i would really want to avoid any "discussions" on identical colorway, but if you guys are ok with CP then i will change it to CP.) Other suggestions on which white should i use on this set are welcomed ;)
L9 is too beige, and may look too vintage for some.
(Attachment Link)
I have GMK color chips, will take some real life photos of the whites and blacks this weekend. Btw I even thinking about N9 or even 2B legends for a more calm vibe compared with contrast CR. Because it's already contrast enough with whatever-black legend on whatever-white key.
Thanks m8! thats very nice of you :) and now i have been thinking whether i should add pad prints to make it more like peacock?
Post by: ullr on Tue, 27 June 2017, 06:59:36
Post by: ideus on Tue, 27 June 2017, 07:18:12
(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 27 June 2017, 07:29:58
Damn I was going to buy it with icon mods but I hate text mods
:( not an easy job to feed everyone's appetite :(
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 27 June 2017, 09:12:32
No prob about the photos. I want BoW too but I don't like the usual GMK mods where some have text only and some have icon and text. Text only or icon only looks better with icon shines when paired with non-latin alpha like Cyrillic (Yuri) or Hiragana (Laser).
Post by: hineybush on Tue, 27 June 2017, 13:57:01
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 00:37:59
Damn I was going to buy it with icon mods but I hate text mods
:( not an easy job to feed everyone's appetite :(
You could offer one as an addon pack. I'd probably buy both TBH.
Post by: ba7777 on Wed, 28 June 2017, 08:22:44
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
L9 would be the best choice for a BOW set IMHO.
Post by: neralo on Wed, 28 June 2017, 09:00:36
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 28 June 2017, 16:56:33
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
L9 would be the best choice for a BOW set IMHO.
I've always wanted a full L9 set.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 28 June 2017, 17:25:47
Post by: fishpod on Thu, 29 June 2017, 00:56:13
Adding R1 1u \|
I dont plan to add an extra kit of mods, so i need your opinion on what legend should i use on mods. Text only? Icon+Text? or Icon only? Vote here:https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3 (https://goo.gl/forms/6sqKZCVT6MBq1b9G3)
planning renders for a WS1 set/ a CP set/ a L9 set, once the renders are done i will upload the renders and a google form to see how you guys think
Post by: kconfire on Thu, 29 June 2017, 23:11:47
If you could also include HHKB layout that'd be awesome.
I've been looking for a keyset like this forever.
Simple yet classic!
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 03 July 2017, 02:40:50
I think CP is the maximum yellow? I can go for white.
If you could also include HHKB layout that'd be awesome.
I've been looking for a keyset like this forever.
Simple yet classic!
Just for your reference, this is a picture of my own Stormtrooper set (with CP colours), as you can see, not yellow at all, just a very nice almost ivory like colour:
(http://i.imgur.com/oTuCJTk.jpg)
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 03 July 2017, 04:18:15
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 03 July 2017, 04:21:44
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
Is L9 the standard Alphas colour for OG Beige sets?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 July 2017, 07:13:31
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
Is L9 the standard Alphas colour for OG Beige sets?
Yes it is. If chosen, it will make this fully compatible with those.
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 03 July 2017, 07:30:47
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
Is L9 the standard Alphas colour for OG Beige sets?
Yes it is. If chosen, it will make this fully compatible with those.
That wouldn't be too bad, although I still think CP would look better, as I already have too many OG cherry caps
Post by: ideus on Mon, 03 July 2017, 07:40:04
A full L9 set would be just too classy to be reality. I have seen a few keyboards that offered it in the past in very selected models. Edit: I'd be totally in for a L9 based set, that has been never made available, beyond the classic OG vintage set you may get.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5kx6m8i.jpg)
Is L9 the standard Alphas colour for OG Beige sets?
Yes it is. If chosen, it will make this fully compatible with those.
That wouldn't be too bad, although I still think CP would look better, as I already have too many OG cherry caps
Let's see what this set gets at the end. CP looks to me just too common, it is a color easily found in stock cheap OEM key caps, that it is not really interesting for me. But, who knows, maybe it gets mods so nice to be ignored.
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 04 July 2017, 00:28:53
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Zoomed out view + other colors:
[attachimg=2]
Please remember judging colors can only be objective when you have a well-calibrated monitor :thumb:
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 02:02:16
Post by: ashwinv11 on Wed, 12 July 2017, 13:10:03
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 12 July 2017, 22:13:38
I apologize for not updating for quite a while :(
Getting an internship in a hospital recently and some school work earlier have kept me busy :(
Good news is that the renders for WS1 CP and L9 are ready! ;) I will upload them soon and start a google form
I still need suggestions on the keys included, are 143 keys too many? Are there any keys I could take out from this set?
And what packaging do you guys want? Plastic bags or case?
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Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 12 July 2017, 22:38:50
Okay here it is, the whites and blacks of GMK:
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Zoomed out view + other colors:
(Attachment Link)
Please remember judging colors can only be objective when you have a well-calibrated monitor :thumb:
Wow, WS2 looks like a pure, paper white!
Is that a possible option for this GMK Set?
Post by: amnesia0287 on Thu, 13 July 2017, 00:17:27
Thanks for all your replies!
I apologize for not updating for quite a while :(
Getting an internship in a hospital recently and some school work earlier have kept me busy :(
Good news is that the renders for WS1 CP and L9 are ready! ;) I will upload them soon and start a google form
I still need suggestions on the keys included, are 143 keys too many? Are there any keys I could take out from this set?
And what packaging do you guys want? Plastic bags or case?
(Attachment Link)
I feel like Coniferous did a good job. I like the blanks it had too.
I'd like more options for the right strips on 65%/75% options like r3 pgup / r4 page down like a tada68. Blanks could serve the same purpose.
Also please no homing dot on numpad 5, or at least add the normal one too.
I'd also love win10 keys, but I know not everyone will agree.
I'd say a bigger kit would be better in this case. With standard colors moq is low, and adding a few keys is that bad. Better to have more coverage options to get more buyers. Especially since nothing else is using that shade of white right? So it's not like there is any other way to get alternate keys.
Definitely tray shipping to. Bags are lame lol
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 13 July 2017, 03:43:04
Thanks for all your replies!
I apologize for not updating for quite a while :(
Getting an internship in a hospital recently and some school work earlier have kept me busy :(
Good news is that the renders for WS1 CP and L9 are ready! ;) I will upload them soon and start a google form
I still need suggestions on the keys included, are 143 keys too many? Are there any keys I could take out from this set?
And what packaging do you guys want? Plastic bags or case?
(Attachment Link)
I suggest starting with the keys provided for the barebones stormtrooper keyset and then add the 7 keys required for 1800 support, that should then cover most popular layouts
Post by: ricyuyc on Thu, 13 July 2017, 04:09:57
Would you consider to add an addition bottom row in R5 profile, like that in Blue Alert(Olivetti)?
Post by: DocMK on Thu, 13 July 2017, 19:35:13
Post by: ideus on Thu, 13 July 2017, 21:01:30
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 14 July 2017, 07:03:19
VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE WHITE!!
https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1
Now we have 143 keys in total. Are there any keys that are redundant? Can some of them be removed? I want to hear from you guys ;)
Also, i will reveal the results of the poll for modifiers later. stay tuned!
thank you for all your support ;)
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 14 July 2017, 07:10:51
You should add a full touch 1.75 R3 control to cover the HHKB, the step version of that cap is cool, but the full touch is preferred. Also, if you want to get the caps count down you can replace the UK specific keys for the R3 `~ and \| keys to have those ANSI users that preferred an ISO enter covered.
will change the stepped ctrl to a full touch ctrl ;)
Post by: avid on Fri, 14 July 2017, 07:31:33
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 14 July 2017, 07:44:08
Will JTK ever do Iso enter? This is basically whats stopping me from buying it.
This is a GMK set ;)
Post by: avid on Fri, 14 July 2017, 08:01:14
Will JTK ever do Iso enter? This is basically whats stopping me from buying it.
This is a GMK set ;)
Ops! Intended to post in the JTK black & white thread.
Post by: neralo on Sun, 16 July 2017, 20:07:47
07/14
VOTE FOR YOUR FAVORITE WHITE!!
https://goo.gl/forms/De71cfdzTXOY8Beg1
Now we have 143 keys in total. Are there any keys that are redundant? Can some of them be removed? I want to hear from you guys ;)
Also, i will reveal the results of the poll for modifiers later. stay tuned!
thank you for all your support ;)
Would it be possible to include a "00" key for those of use with numpads that have a split 0?
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 06:26:58
THE HIDDEN CONTENT SHOULD GO TO MY JTK GB POST
SORRY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE
MY BAD :(((( was too hyped cause my first GB went well and being careless, sorry guys. THE GMK BLACK on WHITE GB has not started. It will be on soon!
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GB ended
thank you for all your support.
we sold a total of 149 sets with 120 orders. 58 international orders and 62 from China
How were the winners generated?
1. Got a list of orders from zFrontier and made an copy.
2. Censored LAST NAMES of most of the buyers for privacy concerns. (Most because some of them are obvious pseudonyms and some of them i am not sure if i censored the last name or the first name :( sorry if i couldnt figure it out)
3. Generated a random sequence and sorted the list with the sequence generated
4. Generated random 3 sets of 10 random numbers from 1 - 120. Each set has 1 winner.
5. Generated 3 random numbers from 1 - 10. Each number decides which number will be counted to in number set, and that is the winner.
RESULTS HERE
[attachimg=1]
Congrats! The orange on white will be shipped with your JTK White on Black order:)
the EXCEL FILE i used to generate the winners could be viewed here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7jz8bTIQ0yvR3pBTFNSakhlMUU/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7jz8bTIQ0yvR3pBTFNSakhlMUU/view?usp=sharing)
screenshots from the random number generator:
http://imgur.com/a/XlK2b (http://imgur.com/a/XlK2b)
thank you for all your support!
and please also support me on my
GMK Black on White project
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90220.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90220.0)
<3
thank you for all your support.
we sold a total of 149 sets with 120 orders. 58 international orders and 62 from China
How were the winners generated?
1. Got a list of orders from zFrontier and made an copy.
2. Censored LAST NAMES of most of the buyers for privacy concerns. (Most because some of them are obvious pseudonyms and some of them i am not sure if i censored the last name or the first name :( sorry if i couldnt figure it out)
3. Generated a random sequence and sorted the list with the sequence generated
4. Generated random 3 sets of 10 random numbers from 1 - 120. Each set has 1 winner.
5. Generated 3 random numbers from 1 - 10. Each number decides which number will be counted to in number set, and that is the winner.
RESULTS HERE
[attachimg=1]
Congrats! The orange on white will be shipped with your JTK White on Black order:)
the EXCEL FILE i used to generate the winners could be viewed here
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7jz8bTIQ0yvR3pBTFNSakhlMUU/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7jz8bTIQ0yvR3pBTFNSakhlMUU/view?usp=sharing)
screenshots from the random number generator:
http://imgur.com/a/XlK2b (http://imgur.com/a/XlK2b)
thank you for all your support!
and please also support me on my
GMK Black on White project
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90220.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90220.0)
<3
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 19 July 2017, 06:43:18
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Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:44:49
Eh...? When did this even go from IC to GB? Says in thread title [IC]. Confused...
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I modified in the wrong post
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:45:27
The communication on the IC-GB was not clear here at GH, it was never stated what was the final layout of the set, not any final details. I suggest you to review the case and get some lessons learnt. The bad part is how easy is for people to loss creditability for things like this.
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:49:32
@fishpot:
The communication on the IC-GB was not clear here at GH, it was never stated what was the final layout of the set, not any final details. I suggest you to review the case and get some lessons learnt. The bad part is how easy is for people to loss creditability for things like this.
Damn I modified the wrong post lol. I should've modified my JTK GB post but instead I did this.
What a big mistake!
Sorry for the inconvenience:( will change it as soon as I get home
Post by: ctrlX on Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:50:02
No link for actually purchasing the GMK set was posted so how can it be closed/ended?
Edit: ah I see now. No worries. Would be a good idea to edit the OP to avoid confusion. Cheers! :-)
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 08:54:31
Still need more clarification.. Is the GB for GMK Black on White over or was that for the JTK Black on White set?AHHHHHHHH WHAT A BIG MISTAKE I HAVE DONE
No link for actually purchasing the GMK set was posted so how can it be closed/ended?
Edit: ah I see now. No worries. Would be a good idea to edit the OP to avoid confusion. Cheers! :-)
AM REALLY SORRY :((((
I SHOULD HAVE MODIFIED MY JTK GB POST
again, My apologies
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 09:12:33
Will JTK ever do Iso enter? This is basically whats stopping me from buying it.
This is a GMK set ;)
Ops! Intended to post in the JTK black & white thread.
i did the same mistake :( :(
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 10:12:42
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 19 July 2017, 10:33:23
OK, so this thread is still alive as an IC assessment.
Yes this is still an IC thread.
that mistake belongs to here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90108.0)
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 14:22:56
Keep the good work.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 20:41:05
Good news, I have high hopes on this, mostly, if it is finally made using L9 as the base color because it will be compatible with OG Cherry sets as well as with GMK beige replicas, besides that color matches great with other modern GMK mod sets.
Keep the good work.
If you want beige though, why not just buy this: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.ebb2eb2hG1O1D&id=538159760577&cm_id=140105335569ed55e27b&abbucket=20&sku_properties=5919063:6536025
I would be sad if it's L9 as it's the only one I wouldn't buy. I want WHITE not OFFWHITE. But obviously if that happens then it is more popular so I totally understand... L9 just isn't for me. Same reason I can't bring myself to order Blue Alert despite the price still being pretty decent.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 21:56:53
Good news, I have high hopes on this, mostly, if it is finally made using L9 as the base color because it will be compatible with OG Cherry sets as well as with GMK beige replicas, besides that color matches great with other modern GMK mod sets.
Keep the good work.
If you want beige though, why not just buy this: https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.ebb2eb2hG1O1D&id=538159760577&cm_id=140105335569ed55e27b&abbucket=20&sku_properties=5919063:6536025
I would be sad if it's L9 as it's the only one I wouldn't buy. I want WHITE not OFFWHITE. But obviously if that happens then it is more popular so I totally understand... L9 just isn't for me. Same reason I can't bring myself to order Blue Alert despite the price still being pretty decent.
That set is insanely expensive, besides, I already have some OG Cherry sets like it; in contrast, this one would feature the almost imposible to source L9 modifiers that are not available anywhere else; but, in some old keyboards that are very rare and have mod keys that do not fit modern keyboard layouts. Actually if this goes L9 its mods would be very valuable for weird OG aficionados like me.
A fellow GHer offered me the set in this keyboard; but, as you can see its mods are unusable on a modern layout. Anyway, the community will speak its preference; again, I am hoping to get a grip on one unique set in hundreds set, that would be the holy grail of the OG Beige sets. LOL.
(http://i.imgur.com/bfK7yXM.jpg)
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:05:42
Good luck to both of us (but mostly me) :p
Post by: ba7777 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:07:25
Also IMHO L9 is more muted and goes nice with most white keyboards, at least IMHO.
Post by: ImpendingxDoom on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:10:03
(http://i.imgur.com/Hpx1ZiI.jpg)
This is GMK Cyrillic without the Cyrillic. Its one of my favorite cap sets :D
Post by: ba7777 on Wed, 19 July 2017, 22:12:06
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 19 July 2017, 23:05:26
Good news, I have high hopes on this, mostly, if it is finally made using L9 as the base color because it will be compatible with OG Cherry sets as well as with GMK beige replicas, besides that color matches great with other modern GMK mod sets.
Exactly. L9 will go the best with some of the mods being made for these more colorful GMK sets.
Post by: ricyuyc on Wed, 19 July 2017, 23:42:56
Post by: ideus on Wed, 19 July 2017, 23:51:03
I would love to make it in L9 base, it could widely match with many other GMK mods. As mentioned before, it would be great if OP add R5 bottom row into
+1, just imagine A profile bottom row in L9, it would be a keyboard nirvana, so unique and special and a dream come true. I have been looking for keys like these for years.
Post by: tunadesu on Sat, 22 July 2017, 19:00:23
Post by: ideus on Sat, 22 July 2017, 20:30:19
I will cry forever if this becomes an L9 base :'(
Keep your tissues handy. LOL.
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 22 July 2017, 22:04:19
Post by: Kafka on Sun, 23 July 2017, 20:37:05
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Post by: ideus on Sun, 23 July 2017, 22:44:17
Post by: Kafka on Sun, 23 July 2017, 23:09:35
A full version of the Yuri's Icon Set is available for any upcoming GMK set, according with T0mb3ry's comment. Just imaging a set with those icons in these classic colors.This would be awesome, it'd make the set a lot more desirable with the new legends.
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Post by: ideus on Mon, 24 July 2017, 00:01:29
A full version of the Yuri's Icon Set is available for any upcoming GMK set, according with T0mb3ry's comment. Just imaging a set with those icons in these classic colors.This would be awesome, it'd make the set a lot more desirable with the new legends.
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It'd be unique and the first set to use the icons for a full size keyboard.
Post by: RevoTeam on Mon, 24 July 2017, 02:12:44
Post by: dfrib on Tue, 25 July 2017, 06:59:04
Post by: fishpod on Sun, 30 July 2017, 08:34:38
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 30 July 2017, 08:51:12
Post by: fishpod on Sun, 30 July 2017, 08:54:34
What will be the price?
Once the color / layout are all finalized, I will update with the pricing
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 30 July 2017, 10:32:00
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 30 July 2017, 11:07:51
After seeing the renders, my suspicions are confirmed. WS1 is too bright. CP/L9 is the way to go. Unfortunately, it seems the polls do not support my opinion
I have the samples, i would say WS1 is a white, CP is a creamy white, L9 is a nonononono (not a white at all)
WS1 or WS2 is the way to go if you want a nice white (like in this case). WS2 is the best white imho, surely better than WS1.
I would say WS2>WS1>CP
Post by: fishpod on Sun, 30 July 2017, 11:35:57
After seeing the renders, my suspicions are confirmed. WS1 is too bright. CP/L9 is the way to go. Unfortunately, it seems the polls do not support my opinion
I personally prefer CP and L9 over WS1 for WS1 is to bright ;)
WS1 will be a great stand-alone BOW set, but perhaps will bring a sharp contrast (perhaps too sharp) when you pair it will other mods.
However, I think CP or L9 will not only be great being a stand-alone BOW set. CP and L9 are more mild and soft, they will match very well with many mods in different colors, especially L9
we will see how this will finally go. ;)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sun, 30 July 2017, 12:49:36
B: we go vintage AF - L9 with icon+text mods with R0 and R5You got my attention.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 30 July 2017, 16:29:39
After seeing the renders, my suspicions are confirmed. WS1 is too bright. CP/L9 is the way to go. Unfortunately, it seems the polls do not support my opinion
I personally prefer CP and L9 over WS1 for WS1 is to bright ;)
WS1 will be a great stand-alone BOW set, but perhaps will bring a sharp contrast (perhaps too sharp) when you pair it will other mods.
However, I think CP or L9 will not only be great being a stand-alone BOW set. CP and L9 are more mild and soft, they will match very well with many mods in different colors, especially L9
we will see how this will finally go. ;)
Exactly what I wanted to hear :)
Post by: ullr on Tue, 01 August 2017, 23:58:58
Post by: basically_i_suck on Wed, 02 August 2017, 06:35:13
Anxious to see what the final result will eventually be. :thumb:
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 02 August 2017, 06:37:32
B: we go vintage AF - L9 with icon+text mods with R0 and R5You got my attention.
Yup this is where it's at.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 02 August 2017, 13:50:56
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 02 August 2017, 14:13:22
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Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 02 August 2017, 16:39:31
In all serious though, why is the choice between the top 2 options and the last option? L9 got less than 1/4th the votes. I get there is a group of die hard fans who really want black on beige, but I want a black on white set to use on a black and white keyboard.
Glad text only modifiers are dead tho.
I'm fine with either of the remaining options for legends (though i like the idea of yuri mods).
Post by: kimbles on Wed, 02 August 2017, 17:54:59
Post by: Kafka on Wed, 02 August 2017, 18:17:16
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Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 02 August 2017, 18:23:30
(Just a suggestion, I have no experience with GB’s and how to make them work)
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Post by: tunadesu on Sat, 05 August 2017, 23:36:56
I get there is a group of die hard fans who really want black on beige, but I want a black on white set to use on a black and white keyboard.
This 1000000% Couldn't have said it better.
Post by: hayt on Sun, 06 August 2017, 00:19:43
Post by: BerserkZz on Fri, 11 August 2017, 22:35:38
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 11 August 2017, 23:54:01
Any update? When will this group buy be live?
Updates will be up soon :thumb:
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 18 August 2017, 09:30:26
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 18 August 2017, 20:01:50
Please vote for your favorite BoW
https://goo.gl/forms/MsujtCdPZIPX2R4T2
So no 1.5u Code or anykey beside alt/ctrl? Really need that key because this keyset will looks great in front of my iMac ;)
Post by: ullr on Sun, 20 August 2017, 14:28:19
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 22 August 2017, 03:56:54
Please vote for your favorite BoW
https://goo.gl/forms/MsujtCdPZIPX2R4T2
So no 1.5u Code or anykey beside alt/ctrl? Really need that key because this keyset will looks great in front of my iMac ;)
Am planning to add a pair of 1.5u R4 OS keys :)
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 22 August 2017, 04:20:37
Please vote for your favorite BoW
https://goo.gl/forms/MsujtCdPZIPX2R4T2
So no 1.5u Code or anykey beside alt/ctrl? Really need that key because this keyset will looks great in front of my iMac ;)
Am planning to add a pair of 1.5u R4 OS keys :)
Whoa finally! I just playing with keyset configuration and seems like only macOS using 1.5u OSkey. So if the other size using Winkey, the 1.5u can use Command key. But since you probably will use icon, maybe use Meta (diamond) icon on all size of OSkey will be better.
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 22 August 2017, 09:23:32
Please vote for your favorite BoW
https://goo.gl/forms/MsujtCdPZIPX2R4T2
So no 1.5u Code or anykey beside alt/ctrl? Really need that key because this keyset will looks great in front of my iMac ;)
Am planning to add a pair of 1.5u R4 OS keys :)
Whoa finally! I just playing with keyset configuration and seems like only macOS using 1.5u OSkey. So if the other size using Winkey, the 1.5u can use Command key. But since you probably will use icon, maybe use Meta (diamond) icon on all size of OSkey will be better.
someone on reddit mentioned that HHKB needs 1.5u os keys so i am thinking to add those in. Probably will go with diamond or code for the legends depending on the final result of the poll. if its CP/WS1, we will have diamond, but if L9 wins, we will have code.
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 22 August 2017, 09:48:22
Im all for L9, but can we rename the set? BoW doesn't really fit L9 imo
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any good suggestions for the name if L9 makes it? ;)
Post by: Kafka on Tue, 22 August 2017, 09:53:44
GMK Antique? Or maybe GMK Candlelit. Both are names of Beige shades/tones.Im all for L9, but can we rename the set? BoW doesn't really fit L9 imo
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Post by: ideus on Tue, 22 August 2017, 12:23:10
Post by: basically_i_suck on Wed, 23 August 2017, 04:14:36
Whoa finally! I just playing with keyset configuration and seems like only macOS using 1.5u OSkey. So if the other size using Winkey, the 1.5u can use Command key. But since you probably will use icon, maybe use Meta (diamond) icon on all size of OSkey will be better.
someone on reddit mentioned that HHKB needs 1.5u os keys so i am thinking to add those in. Probably will go with diamond or code for the legends depending on the final result of the poll. if its CP/WS1, we will have diamond, but if L9 wins, we will have code.
For WS1 and CP, the Yuri icons will cover all the modifiers (including ctrl, alt), right? For that case, I agree that diamond is a suitable legend.
Looking forward to the poll results! :)
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 23 August 2017, 04:46:24
I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Post by: basically_i_suck on Wed, 23 August 2017, 05:28:15
I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Here they are: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/Icon_Mods_20170517120653.jpg
No Yuri sets have been delivered I think these are the only renders - hopefully we will see full renders for this drop.
Post by: avid on Wed, 23 August 2017, 05:36:45
Post by: ideus on Wed, 23 August 2017, 05:54:49
I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Here they are: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/Icon_Mods_20170517120653.jpg
No Yuri sets have been delivered I think these are the only renders - hopefully we will see full renders for this drop.
T0mb3ry has stated that there are Icons to cover a full size keyboard, therefore, those in the render are just a subset of the full.
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 23 August 2017, 06:58:50
I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Here they are: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/Icon_Mods_20170517120653.jpg
No Yuri sets have been delivered I think these are the only renders - hopefully we will see full renders for this drop.
T0mb3ry has stated that there are Icons to cover a full size keyboard, therefore, those in the render are just a subset of the full.
still wondering if I should just do the icons on the renders or do all those icons, personally i think the Icons for the pg up/dn and home/end delete/insert are kinda confusing. conscience tells me to do them all, but i dont really like them TBO.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 23 August 2017, 07:35:28
I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Here they are: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/Icon_Mods_20170517120653.jpg
No Yuri sets have been delivered I think these are the only renders - hopefully we will see full renders for this drop.
T0mb3ry has stated that there are Icons to cover a full size keyboard, therefore, those in the render are just a subset of the full.
still wondering if I should just do the icons on the renders or do all those icons, personally i think the Icons for the pg up/dn and home/end delete/insert are kinda confusing. conscience tells me to do them all, but i dont really like them TBO.
I suggest you to check with T0mb3ry on the other icons, he has proved to be a great designer, thus his selection for navigation icons should be a very good one. I have seen a few old keyboards with icons for navigation and I do not think they may cause any confusion, also, some other contemporary sets that carries them, for example the Matt30's Granite ones that are also self explanatory; besides, most MK users are touch typists, so legends are just another visual feature and not really something to be read in order to type.
(http://i.imgur.com/IrMoTf5.jpg)
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Wed, 23 August 2017, 08:49:33
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Post by: basically_i_suck on Thu, 24 August 2017, 03:02:01
When it comes to icons for this set I think that full icon modifiers are not suitable because they will be in the same colour as alphas which will look quite sparse.I do not see any reason why the L9 base set cannot go well with the new Icons, it would be like GMK Beige Reloaded.
Anyone have a link to a picture of these new smaller icons?
I can't recall if I've noticed them before.
Here they are: https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/Icon_Mods_20170517120653.jpg
No Yuri sets have been delivered I think these are the only renders - hopefully we will see full renders for this drop.
T0mb3ry has stated that there are Icons to cover a full size keyboard, therefore, those in the render are just a subset of the full.
still wondering if I should just do the icons on the renders or do all those icons, personally i think the Icons for the pg up/dn and home/end delete/insert are kinda confusing. conscience tells me to do them all, but i dont really like them TBO.
Icon only modifiers for the middle 3 rows (as is traditional) I think will look the best. For the bottom row and ESC I think text modifiers are fine (including OS/Super key [or windows key is good too ;)]).
Also I'd like to see the cute padlock caps lock legend :D.
Post by: fishpod on Thu, 24 August 2017, 19:23:56
I will, again, count all votes from the China and the international poll :))
Post by: neralo on Fri, 25 August 2017, 00:11:07
Best of luck to those in this GB.
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 August 2017, 00:17:44
damn the results are close! The poll will be active for another 15 hours! For anyone who haven't voted, please participate in this poll if you want to see this coming! :thumb: :thumb:
I will, again, count all votes from the China and the international poll :))
The Poll says that for L9 it will be text + "new small icons?
Can you please post a link with pictures of exactly what your referring to (new small icons)?
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 25 August 2017, 02:28:03
damn the results are close! The poll will be active for another 15 hours! For anyone who haven't voted, please participate in this poll if you want to see this coming! :thumb: :thumb:
I will, again, count all votes from the China and the international poll :))
The Poll says that for L9 it will be text + "new small icons?
Can you please post a link with pictures of exactly what your referring to (new small icons)?
I believe there's no "new" before small. The mods for L9 will be text with small icons just as shown in the renders, I put small icon there just to make it clear that it was not "text only" because we had a choice of text only mods in the previous polls
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 25 August 2017, 03:10:05
Ah, okay.damn the results are close! The poll will be active for another 15 hours! For anyone who haven't voted, please participate in this poll if you want to see this coming! :thumb: :thumb:
I will, again, count all votes from the China and the international poll :))
The Poll says that for L9 it will be text + "new small icons?
Can you please post a link with pictures of exactly what your referring to (new small icons)?
I believe there's no "new" before small. The mods for L9 will be text with small icons just as shown in the renders, I put small icon there just to make it clear that it was not "text only" because we had a choice of text only mods in the previous polls
Post by: ideus on Fri, 25 August 2017, 07:41:47
Ah, okay.damn the results are close! The poll will be active for another 15 hours! For anyone who haven't voted, please participate in this poll if you want to see this coming! :thumb: :thumb:
I will, again, count all votes from the China and the international poll :))
The Poll says that for L9 it will be text + "new small icons?
Can you please post a link with pictures of exactly what your referring to (new small icons)?
I believe there's no "new" before small. The mods for L9 will be text with small icons just as shown in the renders, I put small icon there just to make it clear that it was not "text only" because we had a choice of text only mods in the previous polls
An L9 set with classic legends for modifiers plus a set of the new Tomb3ry's Icons would rock.
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 26 August 2017, 09:06:36
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Sorry, CP is gone :( which is also my favorite
But the question is...
L9 or WS1??? they got the same votes lol.
I am only going to run 1 set at the moment, and maybe leave the other choice for a future run
What do you guys think? I will be asking around :) and decision will be made ASAP
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 26 August 2017, 09:12:30
if its L9 we will need a rename tho :) Thinking of GMK PRISTINE
GMK Antique? Or maybe GMK Candlelit. Both are names of Beige shades/tones.Im all for L9, but can we rename the set? BoW doesn't really fit L9 imo
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Post by: avid on Sat, 26 August 2017, 09:37:59
Use the 9009 Icon mods. (ctrl, alt as text). Its 100% the best look.
But id say L9 with icon mods (9009 version)-
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sat, 26 August 2017, 10:32:54
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Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 26 August 2017, 11:06:06
Maybe call it 9010 :))
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 26 August 2017, 11:29:40
I am more inclined to go with L9 first according to the numbers from both the Chinese poll and international poll
if its L9 we will need a rename tho :) Thinking of GMK PRISTINEGMK Antique? Or maybe GMK Candlelit. Both are names of Beige shades/tones.Im all for L9, but can we rename the set? BoW doesn't really fit L9 imo
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any good suggestions for the name if L9 makes it? ;)
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I really hope L9 ISN'T the choice as it is of literally no interest to me at all, though I would understand why if it did. That said I'm not quite sure why WS1 is an option if you have no interest in it though. It won R1 and it would have won R2 had CP not been included. (CP and WS1 are both "white" L9 is not). It's also much more unique IMO as I'm not aware of any other white set but stormtrooper and there have been a few recent white case GB like the E8-V1/E6-V2 and the Revo case that could really show off white caps.
Have you considered running both, just not at once? Do one, then a month or two later do the other?
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 26 August 2017, 12:07:19
I am more inclined to go with L9 first according to the numbers from both the Chinese poll and international poll
if its L9 we will need a rename tho :) Thinking of GMK PRISTINEGMK Antique? Or maybe GMK Candlelit. Both are names of Beige shades/tones.Im all for L9, but can we rename the set? BoW doesn't really fit L9 imo
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any good suggestions for the name if L9 makes it? ;)
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I really hope L9 ISN'T the choice as it is of literally no interest to me at all, though I would understand why if it did. That said I'm not quite sure why WS1 is an option if you have no interest in it though. It won R1 and it would have won R2 had CP not been included. (CP and WS1 are both "white" L9 is not). It's also much more unique IMO as I'm not aware of any other white set but stormtrooper and there have been a few recent white case GB like the E8-V1/E6-V2 and the Revo case that could really show off white caps.
Have you considered running both, just not at once? Do one, then a month or two later do the other?
Probably will do both, for i cannot make a choice between WS1 and L9, but just not at once. maybe sometime later, maybe after the first sets GB's done. and for the next set, i will probably make more adjustments from the community feed back and throw in a "waster" novelty keycap ;)
everyone has their definition of white, and i consider L9 a white :)
I would say that i DO think WS1 is a good choice, cause it will go well with my current GMK collections.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 26 August 2017, 12:11:21
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Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 26 August 2017, 13:04:37
Post by: ideus on Sat, 26 August 2017, 16:30:34
An image is better than one hundred words: A render of the WS1 with T0mb3ry's Icons may help to reach a final consensus on this, there is no previous references on how this combination may look, so anyone is inventing its very own mental render of the final set, which does not help, because it biased the decision.
Post by: avid on Sat, 26 August 2017, 16:37:51
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 26 August 2017, 18:33:46
So going by the poll, the L9 set is going to be text & icons, correct?
correct
Post by: fishpod on Sat, 26 August 2017, 18:40:44
@fishpot
An image is better than one hundred words: A render of the WS1 with T0mb3ry's Icons may help to reach a final consensus on this, there is no previous references on how this combination may look, so anyone is inventing its very own mental render of the final set, which does not help, because it biased the decision.
you are right, should also get the renders ready. will do L9 and WS1 both just not at the same time, so they all need renders
Post by: ullr on Sat, 26 August 2017, 19:49:13
— resident icon mods shill
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 26 August 2017, 21:40:49
So going by the poll, the L9 set is going to be text & icons, correct?correct
Alright :thumb:
Post by: AlexAtPanc on Sat, 26 August 2017, 21:55:56
Post by: ashwinv11 on Sun, 27 August 2017, 02:24:36
Would really love those WS1 boys.
Same here bud :D
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 27 August 2017, 07:11:02
Post by: tunadesu on Sun, 27 August 2017, 18:40:07
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sun, 27 August 2017, 19:04:17
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 27 August 2017, 21:32:03
Just for reference, what colour does GMK carbon use for their cream alphas? (Is it custom?) I'm am possibly leaning towards WS1 too if it means that we get a colour closer to that used in other GMK sets with cream alphas - thinking interchangeability would be good to have.
I think L9 is much closer to cream than WS1. WS1 is almost as white as blank office paper (and WS2 is like a bleached version of WS1, which is bright white).
Post by: ideus on Sun, 27 August 2017, 21:40:13
Just for reference, what colour does GMK carbon use for their cream alphas? (Is it custom?) I'm am possibly leaning towards WS1 too if it means that we get a colour closer to that used in other GMK sets with cream alphas - thinking interchangeability would be good to have.
I think L9 is much closer to cream than WS1. WS1 is almost as white as blank office paper (and WS2 is like a bleached version of WS1, which is bright white).
Interesting, bright white tends to look cheaper than light beige, just look at the European car makers portfolios and most of their "white" cars are actually very light shades of beige/cream.
Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Sun, 27 August 2017, 22:26:20
Just for reference, what colour does GMK carbon use for their cream alphas? (Is it custom?) I'm am possibly leaning towards WS1 too if it means that we get a colour closer to that used in other GMK sets with cream alphas - thinking interchangeability would be good to have.
I think L9 is much closer to cream than WS1. WS1 is almost as white as blank office paper (and WS2 is like a bleached version of WS1, which is bright white).
Interesting, bright white tends to look cheaper than light beige, just look at the European car makers portfolios and most of their "white" cars are actually very light shades of beige/cream.
In this case, definitely L9 then. just thinking of GMK carbon or coniferous or even hydro.. paper white with any of those would look cheap IMO (like hyper fuse redux
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Post by: jebbra on Sun, 27 August 2017, 23:36:44
Just for reference, what colour does GMK carbon use for their cream alphas? (Is it custom?) I'm am possibly leaning towards WS1 too if it means that we get a colour closer to that used in other GMK sets with cream alphas - thinking interchangeability would be good to have.
I think L9 is much closer to cream than WS1. WS1 is almost as white as blank office paper (and WS2 is like a bleached version of WS1, which is bright white).
Interesting, bright white tends to look cheaper than light beige, just look at the European car makers portfolios and most of their "white" cars are actually very light shades of beige/cream.
In this case, definitely L9 then. just thinking of GMK carbon or coniferous or even hydro.. paper white with any of those would look cheap IMO (like hyper fuse redux
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I agree bright white will make it look cheap, but WS1 isn't bright, it just white compared with CP which is a bit ivory and L9 which is tend to beige. Hydro is using GR1 which is a very light gray, thus it makes it closer to WS1/CP rather than to L9/Carbon.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 28 August 2017, 00:23:19
Just for reference, what colour does GMK carbon use for their cream alphas? (Is it custom?) I'm am possibly leaning towards WS1 too if it means that we get a colour closer to that used in other GMK sets with cream alphas - thinking interchangeability would be good to have.
I think L9 is much closer to cream than WS1. WS1 is almost as white as blank office paper (and WS2 is like a bleached version of WS1, which is bright white).
Interesting, bright white tends to look cheaper than light beige, just look at the European car makers portfolios and most of their "white" cars are actually very light shades of beige/cream.
In this case, definitely L9 then. just thinking of GMK carbon or coniferous or even hydro.. paper white with any of those would look cheap IMO (like hyper fuse redux
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Hyperfuse Redux doesn't have paper white alphas. Unless I'm missing something they are basically the same color as hydros:
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Post by: crtexcnndrm99 on Mon, 28 August 2017, 00:37:55
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Post by: basically_i_suck on Mon, 28 August 2017, 07:42:24
WHY the yuri icon mods? theyre not nice.
Use the 9009 Icon mods. (ctrl, alt as text). Its 100% the best look.
But id say L9 with icon mods (9009 version)-
I'd say WS1 with 9009 mods!
Post by: Kafka on Mon, 28 August 2017, 07:47:03
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Post by: ashwinv11 on Mon, 04 September 2017, 16:33:33
Post by: amnesia0287 on Mon, 04 September 2017, 19:39:34
L9 with 9009 mods for me
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Why not just buy 9009 from the upcoming drop? Or you talking about the icons?
Post by: fishpod on Sun, 10 September 2017, 10:19:40
Post by: funkybeat7 on Sun, 10 September 2017, 14:37:36
Post by: PollandAkuma on Mon, 11 September 2017, 04:40:19
Post by: giHefca on Tue, 12 September 2017, 17:54:00
WS1
Post by: K.Mak on Tue, 12 September 2017, 19:26:35
Post by: AlexAtPanc on Tue, 12 September 2017, 19:32:55
It's a black on white set, not black on almost white/light beige
WS1
This guy gets it.
Post by: ashwinv11 on Tue, 12 September 2017, 19:57:16
It's a black on white set, not black on almost white/light beige
WS1
This guy gets it.
:thumb:
Post by: fishpod on Tue, 12 September 2017, 22:13:31
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so close!
Post by: lovetree on Tue, 12 September 2017, 23:31:22
The title should be change into Black on Ivory. lol
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Post by: Kafka on Thu, 14 September 2017, 18:28:04
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Post by: fishpod on Tue, 19 September 2017, 21:41:11
this will be the final layout.
Have to make these adjustments since the price from GMK was kinda out of control.
GB will be run by zFrontier,
PRICING: $147 shipping included. Ship with tray and by DHL.
Post by: pixelpusher on Tue, 19 September 2017, 22:00:24
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this will be the final layout.
Have to make these adjustments since the price from GMK was kinda out of control.
GB will be run by zFrontier,
PRICING: $147 shipping included. Ship with tray and by DHL.
Nice price!
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 19 September 2017, 23:21:42
Maybe another reason to save monise :p GLWGB!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 19 September 2017, 23:37:53
GB will be run by zFrontier
(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 20 September 2017, 09:13:10
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
Hmm... I'm actually a fan of zFrontier. To each his own, I guess.
Post by: Muiju on Wed, 20 September 2017, 09:15:57
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 September 2017, 10:23:06
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 20 September 2017, 11:14:28
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
i have been very interested in this group buy, so this decision to run through zfrontier affects me. i will not support a company that has verifiably lied to its customer base. they do not respond to customer inquiries, and do not give updates on their 'group buys'. you are basically on your own if you receive damaged product.
personally, i think they produce low-quality sets that are not properly IC'd, which serves only to clog the GMK production pipeline.
i hope this group buy can go through without such issues, but i will not support zfrontier
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 20 September 2017, 11:23:37
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
You act like it’s not fair to not wanna get stuck with 2 “5” keys. There are ACTUAL issues people have had with zFrontier and they ARE worth consideration.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 September 2017, 12:18:44
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
You act like it’s not fair to not wanna get stuck with 2 “5” keys. There are ACTUAL issues people have had with zFrontier and they ARE worth consideration.
Explain the issues properly, then. But, posting a GIF just confuses things, in the lines of thread-crapping. What we need is to provide evidence on issues to get them, either, solved, or decisions taken.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 September 2017, 12:22:39
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
i have been very interested in this group buy, so this decision to run through zfrontier affects me. i will not support a company that has verifiably lied to its customer base. they do not respond to customer inquiries, and do not give updates on their 'group buys'. you are basically on your own if you receive damaged product.
personally, i think they produce low-quality sets that are not properly IC'd, which serves only to clog the GMK production pipeline.
i hope this group buy can go through without such issues, but i will not support zfrontier
Those are serious issues that deserve to be answered by the OP. Any evidence available? or we just have one person's experience?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 20 September 2017, 12:36:38
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
i have been very interested in this group buy, so this decision to run through zfrontier affects me. i will not support a company that has verifiably lied to its customer base. they do not respond to customer inquiries, and do not give updates on their 'group buys'. you are basically on your own if you receive damaged product.
personally, i think they produce low-quality sets that are not properly IC'd, which serves only to clog the GMK production pipeline.
i hope this group buy can go through without such issues, but i will not support zfrontier
Those are serious issues that deserve to be answered by the OP. Any evidence available? or we just have one person's experience?
just browse through this thread regarding the raindrop controversy
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.0
there are numerous posts on reddit regarding lack of communication. when zfrontier first kicked off earlier this year, i purchased griseann. my first and last mistake with zfrontier. i can attest that there is zero communication regarding the keys i was invested in, but i did get plenty of spam regarding all the other products available through their website.
Post by: ideus on Wed, 20 September 2017, 12:40:41
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
i have been very interested in this group buy, so this decision to run through zfrontier affects me. i will not support a company that has verifiably lied to its customer base. they do not respond to customer inquiries, and do not give updates on their 'group buys'. you are basically on your own if you receive damaged product.
personally, i think they produce low-quality sets that are not properly IC'd, which serves only to clog the GMK production pipeline.
i hope this group buy can go through without such issues, but i will not support zfrontier
Those are serious issues that deserve to be answered by the OP. Any evidence available? or we just have one person's experience?
just browse through this thread regarding the raindrop controversy
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.0
there are numerous posts on reddit regarding lack of communication. when zfrontier first kicked off earlier this year, i purchased griseann. my first and last mistake with zfrontier. i can attest that there is zero communication regarding the keys i was invested in, but i did get plenty of spam regarding all the other products available through their website.
Let's see what the OP has to tell about this.
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 20 September 2017, 13:20:33
GB will be run by zFrontierShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/12mF9DKcaggLoQ/giphy.gif)
With all due respect. You should familiarize yourself with IC-GB's rules. This paragraph is copied from them:
2) Threadcrapping: If you aren't interested in joining a group buy, STAY OUT OF THE GROUP BUY THREAD. This goes doubly so if you disagree with the way the buy is being run, the product being purchased, or have any other complaint not relevant to buying into the group buy. Repeat offenders put themselves in danger of moderator action.
i have been very interested in this group buy, so this decision to run through zfrontier affects me. i will not support a company that has verifiably lied to its customer base. they do not respond to customer inquiries, and do not give updates on their 'group buys'. you are basically on your own if you receive damaged product.
personally, i think they produce low-quality sets that are not properly IC'd, which serves only to clog the GMK production pipeline.
i hope this group buy can go through without such issues, but i will not support zfrontier
Those are serious issues that deserve to be answered by the OP. Any evidence available? or we just have one person's experience?
just browse through this thread regarding the raindrop controversy
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.0
there are numerous posts on reddit regarding lack of communication. when zfrontier first kicked off earlier this year, i purchased griseann. my first and last mistake with zfrontier. i can attest that there is zero communication regarding the keys i was invested in, but i did get plenty of spam regarding all the other products available through their website.
Maybe they are trying better now? Just recently joined in a GB for the wood/resin wrist rests and I've received 2 email updates on the GB
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 20 September 2017, 23:42:08
I personally have no real issues with zFrontier. There are other vendors I'd prefer, but they wouldn't stop me. I totally get why people would be hesitant though. They did not handle that switched key well, but that was also a GMK issue as much as a zFrontier one and I'm sure with enough effort the key could be replaced. I'm hoping they don't mix up keys often, don't hear about it often so I assume it's not common. I wouldn't have any worries about zFrontier failing to deliver the GB or anything like that though.
Post by: fishpod on Thu, 21 September 2017, 06:22:48
I see lots of things going on in the comments, and I think I should say something.
Everyone has his/her preferred GB sites, and I choose zFrontier because
a) they are easy to reach since I live in mainland China and they are a company based in China;
b) they been very helpful with my projects;
c) they work closely with GMK and DHL.
And here are some responses regarding the issues mentioned in the recent comments from zFrontier.
>Ocean Dolch double keys.
- there were 6 buyers received an Ocean Dolch set with doubled keys. zFrontier expense their new in stock OD sets for replacement keys, and take care of all the shipping fee.
>lack of communication/updates
- They actually send email updates to buyers if the vendor/manufacturer has a specific update or estimation of delayed shipping. They will enhance communication on other channels too
>some status of their current GBs
- Maxkey Nuclear will start shipping in late September.
- JTK photostudio will start shipping in late September.
- JTK WoB and PoW will start shipping in mid October.
My opinions:
>the raindrop controversy
- First, I don't believe they would start the GB if they know that there were authorization problems. Second, they took the GB down immediately after they noticed the GB leader had an issue of authorization. And I don’t believe they would actually start the GB and get an actually pricing for the set without a confirmation by SP.
>low quality keysets.
- well, I believe there is no bad keyset aesthetically speaking. There are ones that are to your taste and there are ones that are not. I admit that Carbon is aesthetically and commercially successful and respect t0mb3ry himself, his work and his dedication. But Carbon is, unfortunately, not my cup of tea. If you are referring quality as to quality itself, I don’t believe any GMK product would actually be of bad quality.
- ICs. zFrontier has a rather big Chinese based community and they do their ICs in their QQ group and forum. And I would say that the habit, attitude, and even the preference of the Chinese buyers are quite different from users from GH, Reddit etc. zFrontier have realized that if they are to expand their business internationally, they will have to listen to users from GH, Reddit and more.
Post by: fishpod on Wed, 27 September 2017, 09:20:46
[attachimg=1]
Pricing:
MOQ----Price
150-----$147 (Shipping included)
250-----$133 (Shipping included)
Post by: robbles on Wed, 27 September 2017, 13:12:11
Mockup from GMK
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Pricing:
MOQ----Price
150-----$147 (Shipping included)
250-----$133 (Shipping included)
Love the lack of Windon't keys :thumb:
Post by: aznreaper on Thu, 28 September 2017, 14:05:24
Anyone have experience with how zFrontier declares the keysets? Do they put full value on it or does it sneak though customs?
Post by: fishpod on Fri, 29 September 2017, 10:03:03
I will close the IC thread once the GB post is approved,
will open this up again for a WS1 set (or start a new post), once all sets are shipped and all replacements are fulfilled (if there were to be some sorting problem)
thank you for all your support, its been amazing working with you guys! :thumb: :thumb:
GB post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91796.0
Post by: donjoan666 on Fri, 29 September 2017, 11:48:24
But I was really wondering if LED lock keys could be included in the future WS1 set....
since I personally think LED keys will make this set look much more....hmm....attractive?
Post by: donjoan666 on Fri, 29 September 2017, 12:06:11
I'm not sure if this is a right timing to say this..........
But I was really wondering if LED lock keys could be included in the future WS1 set....
since I personally think LED keys will make this set look much more....hmm....attractive?
Forgot to mention that icon mods will look super clean (personally) :-)))
You can check a set close to what I'm mentioning by looking up pics provided from kbdlab/username:Saib
--> http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=4697832
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 September 2017, 12:41:21
My opinions:
>the raindrop controversy
- First, I don't believe they would start the GB if they know that there were authorization problems. Second, they took the GB down immediately after they noticed the GB leader had an issue of authorization. And I don’t believe they would actually start the GB and get an actually pricing for the set without a confirmation by SP.
They told SP they got permission from RainDrop autor/designer which was not the case. They started the GB without the permission and took it first down as it was made public them running Raindrop without authorization. We got internal info on that.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 29 September 2017, 18:45:56
My opinions:
>the raindrop controversy
- First, I don't believe they would start the GB if they know that there were authorization problems. Second, they took the GB down immediately after they noticed the GB leader had an issue of authorization. And I don’t believe they would actually start the GB and get an actually pricing for the set without a confirmation by SP.
They told SP they got permission from RainDrop autor/designer which was not the case. They started the GB without the permission and took it first down as it was made public them running Raindrop without authorization. We got internal info on that.
That’s ****ty indeed. But doesn’t it complicate things that there are multiple parties involved? Zfrontier is the vendor and should be held accountable, sure, but how much experience did they have when the raindrop fiasco happened? What if the set designer just lied to them? Just playing devil’s advocate
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 29 September 2017, 18:54:19
My opinions:
>the raindrop controversy
- First, I don't believe they would start the GB if they know that there were authorization problems. Second, they took the GB down immediately after they noticed the GB leader had an issue of authorization. And I don’t believe they would actually start the GB and get an actually pricing for the set without a confirmation by SP.
They told SP they got permission from RainDrop autor/designer which was not the case. They started the GB without the permission and took it first down as it was made public them running Raindrop without authorization. We got internal info on that.
That’s ****ty indeed. But doesn’t it complicate things that there are multiple parties involved? Zfrontier is the vendor and should be held accountable, sure, but how much experience did they have when the raindrop fiasco happened? What if the set designer just lied to them? Just playing devil’s advocate
The "designer" probably is pretty wrong word in this context. I would say rather plagiarist acted hidden. No interesst check was involved or what ever. Raindrop is pretty well known set and for a vendor its not an excuse to say he did not know or what ever. Since -again no interest check- everything was handled behind the scenes the seller was pretty aware about it.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 29 September 2017, 18:57:07
Post by: Indiana_Jones on Sat, 30 September 2017, 01:16:29
First of all, I apologize for not actively participating in discussions here on GH before. Our main market is still in China, and we have a community forum which is only in Chinese. As a result, we are kind of disconnected with the mainstream western community here.
We started our first GMK group buy in late 2016 on our China website, and received a sizable amount of interest from buyers outside China, who contacted us to ask if they can join the GB (as our Chinese fulfillment requires an address in China). We addressed this need by collecting their information on a Google sheet. After a couple of GBs, with an increasing number of buyers out of China, we set up our English site in Feb. 2017.
Group buys of keysets operate in a quite different way in China. Other than our Chinese website, we have several QQ groups (an online instant messenger) of about 2000 people each. And discussions are active almost 24/7. This is something that people out of China, who don’t use QQ, are probably not used to. We collect information and do our sort of IC in this manner, taking community feedback in real time.
That is why some of you might think our GBs are “abnormal” , showing up seemingly out of the blue with no ICs on GH or Reddit. This is something that we are trying to improve. With the help of some of the members here, we have done several ICs on GH and Reddit for recent key sets from GMK, Maxkey and JTK. Of course, there are still a lot of things we need to improve to better serve buyers out of China, and I really appreciate the feedback and advices from GH.
For international buyers, we ship everything via DHL from China, and the shipping fee is free for orders over $100 (all GMK sets are with free shipping). For order below $100, the shipping fee is only $16.8 flat, which is way lower than the actual cost we pay to DHL.
The reason why we are subsidizing the shipping fee is related to the goal and our understanding of the market. We are trying to lower the threshold (price, lead time, and uncertainty) of buying customized items for enthusiasts so that the aggregate demand will be enlarged and that attracts more suppliers, and this builds a positive feedback loop which will eventually improve the overall efficiency of this niche market （more options, lower prices, decenteralized).
For the Raindrop set. Like all other GBs we run, it started with the request of a group buy leader, and this guy is well-known in community in China. He had contacted SP about this set for several months, and then asked us whether we can host this GB.
Actually the group buy had been listed for no more than 24 hours, when we got feedback about the authorization issue, we took the GB down immediately, and refunded the participants.
We take the full responsibility of not having done due diligence check about the authorization of this set. We took it for granted that the group buy leader had authorization and then got the quotes. We don't mean to blame any single party for this incidence as the fault does lie with us for not verifying the situation with the designer ourselves. Please understand that it is not in line with our interests to conduct any unauthorized group buy. We have redesigned our internal flow of hosting GBs to prevent similar occurrence from happening in the future.
I would like to apologize for the controversy that our past actions have caused. We are striving to improve our services for keyboard communities everywhere, not just in China. It has been a learning process. Feedback on how we’re doing would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to interacting and possibly even collaborating with many of you in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this long-winded post, and I hope it has helped to clear some things up here.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 September 2017, 03:01:24
Hello, I am one of the co-founder of zFrontier. We received several emails from our users about this discussion here. So I would like to chime in on this discussion.
First of all, I apologize for not actively participating in discussions here on GH before. Our main market is still in China, and we have a community forum which is only in Chinese. As a result, we are kind of disconnected with the mainstream western community here.
We started our first GMK group buy in late 2016 on our China website, and received a sizable amount of interest from buyers outside China, who contacted us to ask if they can join the GB (as our Chinese fulfillment requires an address in China). We addressed this need by collecting their information on a Google sheet. After a couple of GBs, with an increasing number of buyers out of China, we set up our English site in Feb. 2017.
Group buys of keysets operate in a quite different way in China. Other than our Chinese website, we have several QQ groups (an online instant messenger) of about 2000 people each. And discussions are active almost 24/7. This is something that people out of China, who don’t use QQ, are probably not used to. We collect information and do our sort of IC in this manner, taking community feedback in real time.
That is why some of you might think our GBs are “abnormal” , showing up seemingly out of the blue with no ICs on GH or Reddit. This is something that we are trying to improve. With the help of some of the members here, we have done several ICs on GH and Reddit for recent key sets from GMK, Maxkey and JTK. Of course, there are still a lot of things we need to improve to better serve buyers out of China, and I really appreciate the feedback and advices from GH.
For international buyers, we ship everything via DHL from China, and the shipping fee is free for orders over $100 (all GMK sets are with free shipping). For order below $100, the shipping fee is only $16.8 flat, which is way lower than the actual cost we pay to DHL.
The reason why we are subsidizing the shipping fee is related to the goal and our understanding of the market. We are trying to lower the threshold (price, lead time, and uncertainty) of buying customized items for enthusiasts so that the aggregate demand will be enlarged and that attracts more suppliers, and this builds a positive feedback loop which will eventually improve the overall efficiency of this niche market （more options, lower prices, decenteralized).
For the Raindrop set. Like all other GBs we run, it started with the request of a group buy leader, and this guy is well-known in community in China. He had contacted SP about this set for several months, and then asked us whether we can host this GB.
Actually the group buy had been listed for no more than 24 hours, when we got feedback about the authorization issue, we took the GB down immediately, and refunded the participants.
We take the full responsibility of not having done due diligence check about the authorization of this set. We took it for granted that the group buy leader had authorization and then got the quotes. We don't mean to blame any single party for this incidence as the fault does lie with us for not verifying the situation with the designer ourselves. Please understand that it is not in line with our interests to conduct any unauthorized group buy. We have redesigned our internal flow of hosting GBs to prevent similar occurrence from happening in the future.
I would like to apologize for the controversy that our past actions have caused. We are striving to improve our services for keyboard communities everywhere, not just in China. It has been a learning process. Feedback on how we’re doing would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to interacting and possibly even collaborating with many of you in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this long-winded post, and I hope it has helped to clear some things up here.
For being transparent and honest to the community can you tell us the geekhack username of the designer?
Hiding the plagiarist and cheater does not make any excuses for me, because you can call him designer but in reallity he could belong to zFrontiers.
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sat, 30 September 2017, 04:26:50
Hello, I am one of the co-founder of zFrontier. We received several emails from our users about this discussion here. So I would like to chime in on this discussion.
First of all, I apologize for not actively participating in discussions here on GH before. Our main market is still in China, and we have a community forum which is only in Chinese. As a result, we are kind of disconnected with the mainstream western community here.
We started our first GMK group buy in late 2016 on our China website, and received a sizable amount of interest from buyers outside China, who contacted us to ask if they can join the GB (as our Chinese fulfillment requires an address in China). We addressed this need by collecting their information on a Google sheet. After a couple of GBs, with an increasing number of buyers out of China, we set up our English site in Feb. 2017.
Group buys of keysets operate in a quite different way in China. Other than our Chinese website, we have several QQ groups (an online instant messenger) of about 2000 people each. And discussions are active almost 24/7. This is something that people out of China, who don’t use QQ, are probably not used to. We collect information and do our sort of IC in this manner, taking community feedback in real time.
That is why some of you might think our GBs are “abnormal” , showing up seemingly out of the blue with no ICs on GH or Reddit. This is something that we are trying to improve. With the help of some of the members here, we have done several ICs on GH and Reddit for recent key sets from GMK, Maxkey and JTK. Of course, there are still a lot of things we need to improve to better serve buyers out of China, and I really appreciate the feedback and advices from GH.
For international buyers, we ship everything via DHL from China, and the shipping fee is free for orders over $100 (all GMK sets are with free shipping). For order below $100, the shipping fee is only $16.8 flat, which is way lower than the actual cost we pay to DHL.
The reason why we are subsidizing the shipping fee is related to the goal and our understanding of the market. We are trying to lower the threshold (price, lead time, and uncertainty) of buying customized items for enthusiasts so that the aggregate demand will be enlarged and that attracts more suppliers, and this builds a positive feedback loop which will eventually improve the overall efficiency of this niche market （more options, lower prices, decenteralized).
For the Raindrop set. Like all other GBs we run, it started with the request of a group buy leader, and this guy is well-known in community in China. He had contacted SP about this set for several months, and then asked us whether we can host this GB.
Actually the group buy had been listed for no more than 24 hours, when we got feedback about the authorization issue, we took the GB down immediately, and refunded the participants.
We take the full responsibility of not having done due diligence check about the authorization of this set. We took it for granted that the group buy leader had authorization and then got the quotes. We don't mean to blame any single party for this incidence as the fault does lie with us for not verifying the situation with the designer ourselves. Please understand that it is not in line with our interests to conduct any unauthorized group buy. We have redesigned our internal flow of hosting GBs to prevent similar occurrence from happening in the future.
I would like to apologize for the controversy that our past actions have caused. We are striving to improve our services for keyboard communities everywhere, not just in China. It has been a learning process. Feedback on how we’re doing would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to interacting and possibly even collaborating with many of you in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this long-winded post, and I hope it has helped to clear some things up here.
For being transparent and honest to the community can you tell us the geekhack username of the designer?
Hiding the plagiarist and cheater does not make any excuses for me, because you can call him designer but in reallity he could belong to zFrontiers.
You assume the designer has any presence on geekhack at all. My assumption is he means the guy is well known in China. I doubt he uses GH much if at all.
I’m not really sure what the issue is here. Let’s not even get into the idea behind owning a colorway to begin with. They started a GB at the request of their much larger Chinese community. They found out the designer didn’t have permission to run the gb so they cancelled it and refunded the money.
Sure they should do a better job vetting before they start, but you cannot possibly think the original intent was malicious. Ignorant sure, but you need to recognize there is a massive divide between the communities. Of the 160 sets that sold of raindrop, only 25% came from countries other than us and sk. There is a perfectly good chance most people in China would have had no clue that there was an issue at all. When they were informed they did what they should.
Saying the designer could belong to zFrontier is like saying you belong to MassDrop.
I’ll totally buy WS1 from zFrontier or wherever sells it. I just don’t care about L9 one bit. I’m kinda curious if L9 isn’t selling as well as hoped since I think there are a lot of people on both sides that want just their specific color and not any of the others (L9, CP, WS1). I bet both colors will have a more difficult time hitting moq. This set is also not helped by 9009 about to run too.
But regardless, raindrop has nothing to do with this thread or this set. Pristine was designed in thread and the designer is working with zFrontier, so there should be no issue. If you blacklist anyone or any business that ever makes a mistake you will end up the richest guy alive with literally nothing to spend money on.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 September 2017, 04:38:08
Hello, I am one of the co-founder of zFrontier. We received several emails from our users about this discussion here. So I would like to chime in on this discussion.
First of all, I apologize for not actively participating in discussions here on GH before. Our main market is still in China, and we have a community forum which is only in Chinese. As a result, we are kind of disconnected with the mainstream western community here.
We started our first GMK group buy in late 2016 on our China website, and received a sizable amount of interest from buyers outside China, who contacted us to ask if they can join the GB (as our Chinese fulfillment requires an address in China). We addressed this need by collecting their information on a Google sheet. After a couple of GBs, with an increasing number of buyers out of China, we set up our English site in Feb. 2017.
Group buys of keysets operate in a quite different way in China. Other than our Chinese website, we have several QQ groups (an online instant messenger) of about 2000 people each. And discussions are active almost 24/7. This is something that people out of China, who don’t use QQ, are probably not used to. We collect information and do our sort of IC in this manner, taking community feedback in real time.
That is why some of you might think our GBs are “abnormal” , showing up seemingly out of the blue with no ICs on GH or Reddit. This is something that we are trying to improve. With the help of some of the members here, we have done several ICs on GH and Reddit for recent key sets from GMK, Maxkey and JTK. Of course, there are still a lot of things we need to improve to better serve buyers out of China, and I really appreciate the feedback and advices from GH.
For international buyers, we ship everything via DHL from China, and the shipping fee is free for orders over $100 (all GMK sets are with free shipping). For order below $100, the shipping fee is only $16.8 flat, which is way lower than the actual cost we pay to DHL.
The reason why we are subsidizing the shipping fee is related to the goal and our understanding of the market. We are trying to lower the threshold (price, lead time, and uncertainty) of buying customized items for enthusiasts so that the aggregate demand will be enlarged and that attracts more suppliers, and this builds a positive feedback loop which will eventually improve the overall efficiency of this niche market （more options, lower prices, decenteralized).
For the Raindrop set. Like all other GBs we run, it started with the request of a group buy leader, and this guy is well-known in community in China. He had contacted SP about this set for several months, and then asked us whether we can host this GB.
Actually the group buy had been listed for no more than 24 hours, when we got feedback about the authorization issue, we took the GB down immediately, and refunded the participants.
We take the full responsibility of not having done due diligence check about the authorization of this set. We took it for granted that the group buy leader had authorization and then got the quotes. We don't mean to blame any single party for this incidence as the fault does lie with us for not verifying the situation with the designer ourselves. Please understand that it is not in line with our interests to conduct any unauthorized group buy. We have redesigned our internal flow of hosting GBs to prevent similar occurrence from happening in the future.
I would like to apologize for the controversy that our past actions have caused. We are striving to improve our services for keyboard communities everywhere, not just in China. It has been a learning process. Feedback on how we’re doing would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to interacting and possibly even collaborating with many of you in the future. Thank you for your time in reading this long-winded post, and I hope it has helped to clear some things up here.
For being transparent and honest to the community can you tell us the geekhack username of the designer?
Hiding the plagiarist and cheater does not make any excuses for me, because you can call him designer but in reallity he could belong to zFrontiers.
You assume the designer has any presence on geekhack at all. My assumption is he means the guy is well known in China. I doubt he uses GH much if at all.
I’m not really sure what the issue is here. Let’s not even get into the idea behind owning a colorway to begin with. They started a GB at the request of their much larger Chinese community. They found out the designer didn’t have permission to run the gb so they cancelled it and refunded the money.
Sure they should do a better job vetting before they start, but you cannot possibly think the original intent was malicious. Ignorant sure, but you need to recognize there is a massive divide between the communities. Of the 160 sets that sold of raindrop, only 25% came from countries other than us and sk. There is a perfectly good chance most people in China would have had no clue that there was an issue at all. When they were informed they did what they should.
Saying the designer could belong to zFrontier is like saying you belong to MassDrop.
I’ll totally buy WS1 from zFrontier or wherever sells it. I just don’t care about L9 one bit. I’m kinda curious if L9 isn’t selling as well as hoped since I think there are a lot of people on both sides that want just their specific color and not any of the others (L9, CP, WS1). I bet both colors will have a more difficult time hitting moq. This set is also not helped by 9009 about to run too.
But regardless, raindrop has nothing to do with this thread or this set. Pristine was designed in thread and the designer is working with zFrontier, so there should be no issue. If you blacklist anyone or any business that ever makes a mistake you will end up the richest guy alive with literally nothing to spend money on.
I got reminder that the "designer" was user toxic. He is indeed not here active as far as i know.
But what i know there is a geekhack user who knows about Raindrop and given that he tried to convince SP that he has the permission. I will not call the username yet and probably i will call it never.
The thing is, it was done on purpose and i dont know which relationship does this person has with zFrontier. Since they say they work the same as Massdrop then it is clear the designer permitted the design and the seller has done the negotiation. The whole problem lies in that particular negotiation in which they or that geekhack user tried to convince SP about authorization.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 30 September 2017, 06:03:06
You assume the designer has any presence on geekhack at all. My assumption is he means the guy is well known in China. I doubt he uses GH much if at all.
I’m not really sure what the issue is here. Let’s not even get into the idea behind owning a colorway to begin with. They started a GB at the request of their much larger Chinese community. They found out the designer didn’t have permission to run the gb so they cancelled it and refunded the money.
Sure they should do a better job vetting before they start, but you cannot possibly think the original intent was malicious. Ignorant sure, but you need to recognize there is a massive divide between the communities. Of the 160 sets that sold of raindrop, only 25% came from countries other than us and sk. There is a perfectly good chance most people in China would have had no clue that there was an issue at all. When they were informed they did what they should.
Saying the designer could belong to zFrontier is like saying you belong to MassDrop.
I’ll totally buy WS1 from zFrontier or wherever sells it. I just don’t care about L9 one bit. I’m kinda curious if L9 isn’t selling as well as hoped since I think there are a lot of people on both sides that want just their specific color and not any of the others (L9, CP, WS1). I bet both colors will have a more difficult time hitting moq. This set is also not helped by 9009 about to run too.
But regardless, raindrop has nothing to do with this thread or this set. Pristine was designed in thread and the designer is working with zFrontier, so there should be no issue. If you blacklist anyone or any business that ever makes a mistake you will end up the richest guy alive with literally nothing to spend money on.
You stole my words lul, i agree on every single word in your comment, the bold part is what we should print on a paper and send physically to everyone making drama out of it.
The thing is, it was done on purpose and i dont know which relationship does this person has with zFrontier. Since they say they work the same as Massdrop then it is clear the designer permitted the design and the seller has done the negotiation. The whole problem lies in that particular negotiation in which they or that geekhack user tried to convince SP about authorization.
Well T0mb3ry, afaik that dude is not a guy working for zFrontier, zF usually accepts ICs/GBs from people, they usually don't do something on their own, they just accept designs/new GBs from people requests. You can just design a set, do a IC, show them the IC and they will make it (and you will be what they call "Group Buy Leader").
In fact the GB was deleted, this is what matters. Surely they could have made a better job to carefully check before starting the GB but whatever, they tried to fix that and they did.
I mean, if you really want to blame zF for that, at this point you have to blame SP too because they gived out the pricing/permission without carefully checking it (or they got tricked into it by that user).
This actually reminds me of when Massdrop did the GB of Sprit products and later when people complained for this cooperation with a not-fully trustworthy person, Massdrop closed the GB and our reaction was to clap-clap at Massdrop, saying they did a good job.
Wasn't this a similar situation (or even worse)? Did we implied that Sprit was working directly for Massdrop, we condemned to death Massdrop for that? No, we didn't.
Basically MD did the same exact mistake, not checking properly before starting a GB, happens, what they did later is what matters.
Said that, if you want to condemn a seller (zF) for that, you are free to do it, but for the same reasons you shouldn't run your sets via Massdrop. If we want to judge heavily every single small mistake like you are doing with zF, we should have burned down Massdrop time ago and we didn't.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 30 September 2017, 06:22:30
Well T0mb3ry, afaik that dude is not a guy working for zFrontier, in fact zF is usually accpeting ICs/GBs from people, they usually don't do something on their own, they just accept designs/new GBs from people requests. You can just design a set, do a IC, show them the IC and they will make it (and you will be what they call "Group Buy Leader").
The GB was deleted later when zF found out that. Surely they could have made a better job to carefully check before starting the GB but whatever, they tried to fix that and they did.
I mean, if you really want to blame zF for that, at this point you have to blame SP too because they gived out the pricing/permission without carefully checking it (or they got tricked into it by that user).
This actually reminds me of when Massdrop did the GB of Sprit products and later when people complained for this cooperation with a not-fully trustworthy person, Massdrop closed the GB and our reaction was to clap-clap at Massdrop, saying they did a good job.
Wasn't this a similar situation (or even worse)? Did we implied that Sprit was working directly for Massdrop, we condemned to death Massdrop for that? No, we didn't.
Basically MD did the same exact mistake, not checking properly before starting a GB, happens, what they did later is what matters.
Said that, if you want to condemn a seller (zF) for that, you are free to do it, but for the same reasons you shouldn't run your sets via Massdrop. If we want to judge heavily every single small mistake like you are doing with zF, we should have burned down Massdrop time ago and we didn't.
The question is who is responsible for negotiation with SP. I think its the responsibility of the seller. Or does zFrontier let third persons do the negotiations?
The thing that they stopped the GB immediately was definitely a necessary move. I am not questioning this. As i said previously it was the negotiation with SP which is pretty shady. The person asked for the MOQ and pricing claiming from the start to SP they had the permission from Raindrop designer which was not the case. And the person is pretty active here on GH.
But i guess you know that dude too, which negotiated with SP. So maybe you have more info on that. But the given info moves for me zFrontier in a bad light. Maybe zFrontier can confirm that they have nothing to do with the negotiation part i am talking about.
And reagarding my keysets i do think its solely up to me where to run these.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 30 September 2017, 07:45:36
Well T0mb3ry, afaik that dude is not a guy working for zFrontier, in fact zF is usually accpeting ICs/GBs from people, they usually don't do something on their own, they just accept designs/new GBs from people requests. You can just design a set, do a IC, show them the IC and they will make it (and you will be what they call "Group Buy Leader").
The GB was deleted later when zF found out that. Surely they could have made a better job to carefully check before starting the GB but whatever, they tried to fix that and they did.
I mean, if you really want to blame zF for that, at this point you have to blame SP too because they gived out the pricing/permission without carefully checking it (or they got tricked into it by that user).
This actually reminds me of when Massdrop did the GB of Sprit products and later when people complained for this cooperation with a not-fully trustworthy person, Massdrop closed the GB and our reaction was to clap-clap at Massdrop, saying they did a good job.
Wasn't this a similar situation (or even worse)? Did we implied that Sprit was working directly for Massdrop, we condemned to death Massdrop for that? No, we didn't.
Basically MD did the same exact mistake, not checking properly before starting a GB, happens, what they did later is what matters.
Said that, if you want to condemn a seller (zF) for that, you are free to do it, but for the same reasons you shouldn't run your sets via Massdrop. If we want to judge heavily every single small mistake like you are doing with zF, we should have burned down Massdrop time ago and we didn't.
The question is who is responsible for negotiation with SP. I think its the responsibility of the seller. Or does zFrontier let third persons do the negotiations?
The thing that they stopped the GB immediately was definitely a necessary move. I am not questioning this. As i said previously it was the negotiation with SP which is pretty shady. The person asked for the MOQ and pricing claiming from the start to SP they had the permission from Raindrop designer which was not the case. And the person is pretty active here on GH.
But i guess you know that dude too, which negotiated with SP. So maybe you have more info on that. But the given info moves for me zFrontier in a bad light. Maybe zFrontier can confirm that they have nothing to do with the negotiation part i am talking about.
And reagarding my keysets i do think its solely up to me where to run these.
Right now i don't know who is that "dude", i guess i can figure it out if i want, but is not really a matter for me in this moment (feel free to pm it btw).
Since we don't know exactly who was the first guy "stealing" the design and what he did exactly (toxic or?), i don't feel to blame who asked for the MOQ/Pricing like you are directly implying, since these could be 2 different persons and "the dude" asking the MOQ to SP could have been tricked as well from the original "stealer of the design".
For example the whole thing might have gone this way:
- Chinese dude stealing the design
- Stealer asking another guy familiar with english to ask pricings/MOQs to SP, claiming with that guy that he is the designer
- Getting back with prices
- zF unknown of everything just start the GB
... and still this could be just a random guess.
I just don't feel to blame zF, i don't feel to blame the guy asking for prices, unless you know more about it and how the whole thing happened.
I think that whoever was involved in this, you still should blame SP more than others, SP was supposed to block this before happening and not providing prices, warning whoever contacted them that they are not going to produce that set. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone can write to SP and say "Hey Melissa, I have the permission of the original Designer". If this is true, it is a big problem on SP part.
Also my example of your sets wasn't an accusation toward you lol (sorry if you get it this way), it was just an example where we are ready to kill zF for every single stupid mistake, where basically every seller made bigger or smaller mistakes. Even the most popular and biggest shop did mistakes, Massdrop did tons of mistakes and shady things (and mine was just one example, where we even congratulated them when they fixed their mistake).
Post by: ideus on Sat, 30 September 2017, 08:33:54
Color combinations cannot be own or patent. Color combinations are not intelectual property and someone that defines a color combination cannot be called a designer, even less if she creates it with community feedback. People who ask for permission to use a particular color-way do that out of courtesy and etiquette, but such diligence is not legally required. Designers who create icons and art work are of course de-facto owners of them and designs like those are actually intelectual property.
Post by: zslane on Sat, 30 September 2017, 10:34:28
People who ask for permission to use a particular color-way do that out of courtesy and etiquette, but such diligence is not legally required.
While true, there is a sort of code of conduct expected from prospective designers in this (the western) mech enthusiast community. Courtesy and etiquette is expected if you, as a prospective designer, want to maintain the goodwill and respect of the community. It is the lack of courtesy and respect for previous creative work, even if that work is primarily in the form of an interesting colorway, that gets folks here reaching for their torches and pitchforks. Prospective designers, regardless of their country of origin, would do well to understand this before copying any salient design elements from a previous (especially well-known) keycap set.
tl;dr
The legalities are irrelevant. This is about courtesy, etiquette, and respect, or the lack shown thereof towards the creative work of previous designers. The message isn't, "Stop that, it's illegal," but rather, "Stop that, you're being a disrespectful ****."
Post by: ideus on Sat, 30 September 2017, 11:12:27
People who ask for permission to use a particular color-way do that out of courtesy and etiquette, but such diligence is not legally required.
While true, there is a sort of code of conduct expected from prospective designers in this (the western) mech enthusiast community. Courtesy and etiquette is expected if you, as a prospective designer, want to maintain the goodwill and respect of the community. It is the lack of courtesy and respect for previous creative work, even if that work is primarily in the form of an interesting colorway, that gets folks here reaching for their torches and pitchforks. Prospective designers, regardless of their country of origin, would do well to understand this before copying any salient design elements from a previous (especially well-known) keycap set.
tl;dr
The legalities are irrelevant. This is about courtesy, etiquette, and respect, or the lack shown thereof towards the creative work of previous designers. The message isn't, "Stop that, it's illegal," but rather, "Stop that, you're being a disrespectful ****."
Courtesy comes first in our realm, that is true and should be enforced. However, this has to be put in perspective, color combinations, unless they are part of a trademark branding cannot be copyrighted, neither considered intellectual property. These are facts and they are undisputed. Courtesy and respect are also different, courtesy is given out of kindness, respect should be earned. Keep all these elements in harmony, otherwise we can burn the ships for nothing. One more time, keep this in topic.
Post by: KaosJ on Sat, 30 September 2017, 11:14:47
One more time, keep this in topic.
^ this :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 01 October 2017, 04:13:06
For example the whole thing might have gone this way:
- Chinese dude stealing the design
- Stealer asking another guy familiar with english to ask pricings/MOQs to SP, claiming with that guy that he is the designer
- Getting back with prices
- zF unknown of everything just start the GB
... and still this could be just a random guess.
The negotiator was shower_king (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37881).
Since i know people from chinese community, they told me that shower_king is one of the zFrontier founders. What makes him an official from zFrontier.
So if you review shower kings account he is active here since 2014 and what means he knew already about Raindrop. You cant say he could not knew Raindrop. No he sells Keysets and he is active in interest checks. And for everyone who joined this hobby at that time, its obvious you learn to know about sets like Deep Space, Penumbra and etc. Anyway Raindrop is very well known set here and there is no way shower king could not know about Raindrop.
Giving these infos:
- shower king is an official from zFrontier
- shower king must have known about Raindrop
he goes to SP and asks for MOQ and Pricings and claims he has the permission from original designer. Asking for MOQ and Pricing is not a biggy but claiming to have permission is already bad move from him.
Despite him knowing they dont have any permission they rush into GB. And this is the **** move from their side. That fact makes them shady for me. And after zFrontier was accused making a rogue run of Raindrop - They are like "Oh sorry we didn't knew". No they knew and it was done all on purpose.
I just don't feel to blame zF, i don't feel to blame the guy asking for prices, unless you know more about it and how the whole thing happened.
I think that whoever was involved in this, you still should blame SP more than others, SP was supposed to block this before happening and not providing prices, warning whoever contacted them that they are not going to produce that set. It doesn't make sense to me that anyone can write to SP and say "Hey Melissa, I have the permission of the original Designer". If this is true, it is a big problem on SP part.
Also my example of your sets wasn't an accusation toward you lol (sorry if you get it this way), it was just an example where we are ready to kill zF for every single stupid mistake, where basically every seller made bigger or smaller mistakes. Even the most popular and biggest shop did mistakes, Massdrop did tons of mistakes and shady things (and mine was just one example, where we even congratulated them when they fixed their mistake).
We do all mistakes what lies in our human nature. Big companies do mistakes too and **** happens. However we should devide between things which do happen unintentional and things which are done on purpose. In this case it was done on purpose which is a rogue move.
Anyway i dont want to discuss this drama here further and i want to apologize by TS. If i would knew this would escalate in such drama i wouldn't have said nothing. Sometimes its wise to say nothing. However since it started here, i had to bring it to the point and let you know that happened at that time.
I like this set. But i cant support zFrontier at this point. Sorry.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 01 October 2017, 05:16:41
I will not call the username yet and probably i will call it never.
> and you just called it
I don't honestly know if your info are correct but i give you the benefit of the doubt. I do believe you might be right about him working for zF seeing his post history.
However i would let you notice a thing and later i will stop because really there is no point to run in other people defense like the devil's advocate since this set has nothing to do with them.
So not defending shower_king or anything, but you might be wrong on something, by checking their history.
You cant say he could not knew Raindrop.
Knowing it doesn't mean to know who was the designer, see this:
Raindrop GB starts: Thu, 21 February 2013, 01:28:03
Raindrop post LAST BUMP: Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:27:01
shower_king Date Registered: Thu, 05 June 2014, 00:49:43
shower_king first comment: Thu, 30 October 2014, 01:35:01
shower_king starting to be active: Later in 2015...
Now, as you can see, 19 December 2013 was literally the last post on the Raindrop GB, the day when this post started to shift down and disappear, not bumping anymore. Having this date in mind:
shower_king registered 6 months later.
shower_king did his first comment 9 months later.
shower_king started to be active like you say more than 1 yeah later.
Now i just saw there was a GB from China in 31 July 2015 for Raindrop in DSA. Here is the link (http://www.waishechina.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=895). Not sure who is that OP (can't confirm that) but as you can see shower_king is one of the people that joined the GB (or that wanted to join the GB).
Given these dates, can't you just assume that shower_king saw that post on that chinese site from that OP and not here on geekhack?
Again, you stil didn't commented on the why SP gived the quotes and the initial OK, why aren't you blaming SP as well?
EDIT: also this comment in the GB of the Raindrop could be relevant to you: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.msg2444764#msg2444764
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 01 October 2017, 05:33:44
Note the probably word.I will not call the username yet and probably i will call it never.
> and you just called it
I don't honestly know if your info are correct but i give you the benefit of the doubt. I do believe you might be right about him working for zF seeing his post history.
However i would let you notice a thing and later i will stop because really there is no point to run in other people defense like the devil's advocate since this set has nothing to do with them.
So not defending shower_king or anything, but you might be wrong on something, by checking their history.You cant say he could not knew Raindrop.
Knowing it doesn't mean to know who was the designer, see this:
Raindrop GB starts: Thu, 21 February 2013, 01:28:03
Raindrop post LAST BUMP: Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:27:01
shower_king Date Registered: Thu, 05 June 2014, 00:49:43
shower_king first comment: Thu, 30 October 2014, 01:35:01
shower_king starting to be active: Later in 2015...
Now, as you can see, 19 December 2013 was literally the last post on the Raindrop GB, the day when this post started to shift down and disappear, not bumping anymore. Having this date in mind:
shower_king registered 6 months later.
shower_king did his first comment 9 months later.
shower_king started to be active like you say more than 1 yeah later.
Now i just saw there was a GB from China in 31 July 2015 for Raindrop in DSA. Here is the link (http://www.waishechina.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=895). Not sure who is that OP (can't confirm that) but as you can see shower_king is one of the people that joined the GB (or that wanted to join the GB).
Given these dates, can't you just assume that shower_king saw that post on that chinese site from that OP and not here on geekhack?
Again, you stil didn't commented on the why SP gived the quotes and the initial OK, why aren't you blaming SP as well?
EDIT: also this comment in the GB of the Raindrop could be relevant to you: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.msg2444764#msg2444764
Look i joined GH in 2015 and since i work with keysets i know almost every major set done here. Deep Space, Penumbra, Raindrop etc. many of these sets were done before i joined this community. I know them all. Many people here know these sets because these are the community classics. Since he sells keysets he must have known Raindrop. Even by hearing. Raindrop is really well known. Just saying. Its impossible joining GH being active this long, working on keysets and not knowing about Raindrop.
By the way DSA Raidnrop was also a rogue run.
This is my last response here in this regard. Everyone can read the discussion and make his own conclusion. People can argue around the given info as they like.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 01 October 2017, 05:51:07
Look i joined GH in 2015 and since i work with keysets i know almost every major set done here. Deep Space, Penumbra, Raindrop etc. many of these sets were done before i joined this community. I know them all. Many people here know these sets because these are the community classics. Since he sells keysets he must have known Raindrop. Even by hearing. Raindrop is really well known. Just saying. Its impossible joining GH being active this long, working on keysets and not knowing about Raindrop.
By the way DSA Raidnrop was also a rogue run.
This is my last response here in this regard. Everyone can read the discussion and make his own conclusion. People can argue around the given info as they like.
I agree even if you can't assume this for everyone, what i wanted to show you is that knowing a keyset doesn't mean knowing the original designer, for this I showed all the timestamps, especially because i do believe he saw that set for the first time on that china shady GB, not here on Geekhack, so he might have thought initially that this set was designed in China, or that the other guy of DSA Raindrop could do that set with no problem.
Peace T0mb3ry ;D
Post by: amnesia0287 on Sun, 01 October 2017, 05:52:03
I will not call the username yet and probably i will call it never.
> and you just called it
I don't honestly know if your info are correct but i give you the benefit of the doubt. I do believe you might be right about him working for zF seeing his post history.
However i would let you notice a thing and later i will stop because really there is no point to run in other people defense like the devil's advocate since this set has nothing to do with them.
So not defending shower_king or anything, but you might be wrong on something, by checking their history.You cant say he could not knew Raindrop.
Knowing it doesn't mean to know who was the designer, see this:
Raindrop GB starts: Thu, 21 February 2013, 01:28:03
Raindrop post LAST BUMP: Thu, 19 December 2013, 00:27:01
shower_king Date Registered: Thu, 05 June 2014, 00:49:43
shower_king first comment: Thu, 30 October 2014, 01:35:01
shower_king starting to be active: Later in 2015...
Now, as you can see, 19 December 2013 was literally the last post on the Raindrop GB, the day when this post started to shift down and disappear, not bumping anymore. Having this date in mind:
shower_king registered 6 months later.
shower_king did his first comment 9 months later.
shower_king started to be active like you say more than 1 yeah later.
Now i just saw there was a GB from China in 31 July 2015 for Raindrop in DSA. Here is the link (http://www.waishechina.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=895). Not sure who is that OP (can't confirm that) but as you can see shower_king is one of the people that joined the GB (or that wanted to join the GB).
Given these dates, can't you just assume that shower_king saw that post on that chinese site from that OP and not here on geekhack?
Again, you stil didn't commented on the why SP gived the quotes and the initial OK, why aren't you blaming SP as well?
EDIT: also this comment in the GB of the Raindrop could be relevant to you: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89723.msg2444764#msg2444764
Didn't the raindrop ic thread say the set had been designed by "Toxic in China"? To me it seems like whoever Toxic is went to zFrontier to have them run his GB and told them he had permission to run or had designed raindrop. zFrontier in turn went to SP and requested a quote which they were in turn provided. Perhaps at some point SP even asked "do you have permission from the designer" but its totally possible they genuinely thought that they did if they were told Toxic was the designer. Regardless, SP then provided a quote back to zFrontier, which gave them the impression they were good to go.
I totally understand why people are frustrated by this, but to me it seems like vetting who can run what colorways is the responsibility of the people who are actually making them (SP), not the various different GB runners. You can't expect zFrontier or MassDrop or Originative or any other vendor to keep track of every single group buy everyone else is running.
Also, let's not ignore the fact that while the concept was identical, the design WAS NOT. The SA raindrop set they were trying to run had new icons that while similar to the original GB were not the same. Even if the original designer had an actual full fledged copyright on his raindrop design, the SA raindrop set would meet the requirements to be classified as a derivative work (the same rules that allow youtube to be full of music covers).
@T0mb3ry, do you have ANY actual evidence that zFrontier acted maliciously? Do you have ANY evidence that there is any risk of this GB not being fulfilled? Or is this just rampant speculation based on gossip and rumor? If there is evidence, it might make sense to discuss it, if however there is not, I feel like you are being extremely disrespectful to the set designer by attacking his group buy because you don't like the runner he chose. If you wanna PM him and complain, that makes sense, but no one ****s on you for working with massdrop.
At this point your feelings on what runner to choose don't matter, the GB has already started. So the question then becomes do you believe that zFrontier can and will fulfill any orders they receive? I fully believe that they will, if you believe otherwise, then please share and explain why you feel as such, if however your only objections are ideological then please try and find a more appropriate avenue to voice your concerns.
Post by: KaosJ on Sun, 01 October 2017, 06:08:26
Didn't the raindrop ic thread say the set had been designed by "Toxic in China"? To me it seems like whoever Toxic is went to zFrontier to have them run his GB and told them he had permission to run or had designed raindrop. zFrontier in turn went to SP and requested a quote which they were in turn provided. Perhaps at some point SP even asked "do you have permission from the designer" but its totally possible they genuinely thought that they did if they were told Toxic was the designer. Regardless, SP then provided a quote back to zFrontier, which gave them the impression they were good to go
This is what i think as well, you got the point. I mean there are tons of ways this whole thing could have gone behind the scene and i don't really like to assume speculations as facts like T0mb3ry does.
If we want to assume that:
- shower_king knew about Raindrop but not who was the real original designer
- shower_king works for zF
- zF is a group of persons and when i say zF i mean any of the people in charge deciding for GBs
Things could have gone in this way (..or not):
Toxic to zF> zF to shower_king for pricing>shower_king to SP (*)> SP pricing to shower_king> GB
The (*) is the problem, where actually could have been a huge misunderstandings due the previous events and we are heavily judging it for no reason.
I totally understand why people are frustrated by this, but to me it seems like vetting who can run what colorways is the responsibility of the people who are actually making them (SP), not the various different GB runners. You can't expect zFrontier or MassDrop or Originative or any other vendor to keep track of every single group buy everyone else is running.
This is what i don't get from all the previous complains, if we want to blame anyone, SP should be in the top of that list.
Post by: infiniti on Fri, 06 October 2017, 09:51:07
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