Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:23:27
GB thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815) waiting on mod approval. until then here's direct link https://opticboards.com/group-buys/mx-silent-black (https://opticboards.com/group-buys/mx-silent-black)
US Proxy: https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/group-buy-cherry-mx-silent-black-switches/ (https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/group-buy-cherry-mx-silent-black-switches/)
Hello everyone!
I'm George. I run Optic Boards - www.opticboards.com (http://www.opticboards.com)
I have an IC here for Cherry MX Silent Black switches.
There is an MOQ of 48,000 switches! Which is incredibly high, to help achieve this I will only be allowing purchases of packs of 120, instead of the however many you want as long as it's more than 10 which I usually do. I will be getting the switches from Cherry's European distributor, so there will not be a re-seller in the middle.
The price is £26 for a pack of 120 or roughly £0.2166... per switch. ($33.94, so it is $0.282 per switch)
I will be pledging to purchase at least 40 packs of switches for myself leaving only 360 packs to be purchased by everyone else.
I would like to run this GB alongside a CONUS based proxy, so if anyone would like to jump in as a proxy let me know via DM or email: george@opticboards.com.
Shipping prices. £3.50 UK, £5.50 EU, £7.50 everyone else.
Any questions let me know!
Update: Novelkeys has agreed to proxy over in the US! I'll update once he has worked out appropriate price to cover customs and shipping to him.
UPDATE: Novel Keys will be offering packs of 120 for $39 from within the US.
IC LINK HERE https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72 (https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:27:29
Sent from my sofa using lazy-stuff...
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:31:00
Post by: joey on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:36:27
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:37:08
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:39:54
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:42:19
Do these switches have side pins?
I'm not sure what you mean by side pins. Could you elaborate?
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:44:29
I mean if they are PCB mounted (https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/4/3/1/13834-03.jpg).Do these switches have side pins?
I'm not sure what you mean by side pins. Could you elaborate?
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:57:30
Yes they are PCB mounted :)I mean if they are PCB mounted (https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/4/3/1/13834-03.jpg).Do these switches have side pins?
I'm not sure what you mean by side pins. Could you elaborate?
Post by: TalkingTree on Wed, 26 July 2017, 07:58:48
Great. I'm in for two packs.Yes they are PCB mounted :)I mean if they are PCB mounted (https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/4/3/1/13834-03.jpg).Do these switches have side pins?
I'm not sure what you mean by side pins. Could you elaborate?
Post by: rioc on Wed, 26 July 2017, 08:01:22
Yes they are PCB mounted :)I mean if they are PCB mounted (https://cdn.sparkfun.com//assets/parts/1/1/4/3/1/13834-03.jpg).Do these switches have side pins?
I'm not sure what you mean by side pins. Could you elaborate?
aw yeah, perfect... I'm defo in for a tupac then :)
Post by: afrokobe on Wed, 26 July 2017, 08:49:48
Post by: Petch on Wed, 26 July 2017, 08:53:51
Post by: MandrewDavis on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:02:43
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:04:48
If they are PCB mount, am I correct in assuming they will not have RGB housings?
They are currently PCB mount black housing. I am waiting on a quote for RGB housing PCB mounted, if it is the same price the GB will be for the RGB variant.
Post by: joey on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:08:20
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:08:42
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:29:40
If RGB = white housing, I'd probably prefer the non RGB :P
RGB refer to these http://cherry.de/cid/keymodules_CHERRY_MX_SILENT_RGB_BLACK.htm? (http://cherry.de/cid/keymodules_CHERRY_MX_SILENT_RGB_BLACK.htm?)
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 July 2017, 09:38:13
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 11:35:20
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 26 July 2017, 11:36:41
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 July 2017, 11:41:46
Post by: madhias on Wed, 26 July 2017, 12:05:18
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 12:59:24
Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 26 July 2017, 13:30:13
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:22:14
If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:29:17
They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:34:07
Huh, I wonder why they got rid of the top holes. Seems like it would have been easier to use the same mold that they use to the black tops. Unless they were going for a structurally stronger top, I don't know why they need to make that change. Weird.They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:47:09
They made the change because the switches are meant to go on pcb with rgb leds that are independent from the switchesHuh, I wonder why they got rid of the top holes. Seems like it would have been easier to use the same mold that they use to the black tops. Unless they were going for a structurally stronger top, I don't know why they need to make that change. Weird.They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:48:56
Huh, I wonder why they got rid of the top holes. Seems like it would have been easier to use the same mold that they use to the black tops. Unless they were going for a structurally stronger top, I don't know why they need to make that change. Weird.They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
The RGB switches are marketed as having a 'lens' in that area to make the SMD below shine through 'better'.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 14:57:03
Now I kinda want to get some of these tops and test the difference.Huh, I wonder why they got rid of the top holes. Seems like it would have been easier to use the same mold that they use to the black tops. Unless they were going for a structurally stronger top, I don't know why they need to make that change. Weird.They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
The RGB switches are marketed as having a 'lens' in that area to make the SMD below shine through 'better'.
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:09:29
TILHuh, I wonder why they got rid of the top holes. Seems like it would have been easier to use the same mold that they use to the black tops. Unless they were going for a structurally stronger top, I don't know why they need to make that change. Weird.They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
The RGB switches are marketed as having a 'lens' in that area to make the SMD below shine through 'better'.
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:22:11
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:23:20
Update: Novelkeys has agreed to proxy over in the US! I'll update once he has worked out appropriate price to cover customs and shipping to him.Nice! Not in the US but this will help MOQ
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:28:17
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:30:10
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:34:22
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
You know thats the new jam. ;)
I hope these are solid black.
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:43:51
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
You know thats the new jam. ;)
I hope these are solid black.
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:49:11
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:50:15
/in for it!True. Also in for Godspeed
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:51:24
I really dislike the feel of silent red. It's like having a scratchy rubber dome keyboard :( I cannot fathom why anyone would prefer that switch if they all feel the same way. I suppose it's possible, but unlikely, that I got an "early" or "bad" batch that has since been improved upon?
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 26 July 2017, 15:51:44
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I hope the majority knows that the RGB housings are brittle af :thumb: .
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:03:20
Post by: rioc on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:04:00
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I hope the majority knows that the RGB housings are brittle af :thumb: .
can someone tell cherry to jack up the price for the RGB housings?
we want solid black, non brittle, aesthetic AF housings :p
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:05:49
Rioc telling it like it isOnce I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I hope the majority knows that the RGB housings are brittle af :thumb: .
can someone tell cherry to jack up the price for the RGB housings?
we want solid black, non brittle, aesthetic AF housings
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:16:20
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
You know thats the new jam. ;)
I hope these are solid black.
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I cant speak for rgb. What i heard is that the solid black silent blacks are smooth and thats the reason for the entire hype about it. Since i dont know about rgb i will most probably skip if these are going to be rgb. Its all about smoothnes and not rgb.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:25:50
UPDATE: Novel Keys will be offering packs of 120 for $39 from within the US.Is that $39 + shipping or $39 shipped (within US)?
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:27:55
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
You know thats the new jam. ;)
I hope these are solid black.
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I cant speak for rgb. What i heard is that the solid black silent blacks are smooth and thats the reason for the entire hype about it. Since i dont know about rgb i will most probably skip if these are going to be rgb. Its all about smoothnes and not rgb.
Yes, but I also heard silent reds were smooth, and panda linears were smooth, but I bought them both, and both are certainly not smooth. In fact, the silent reds are the scratchiest switches I've ever used.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:35:53
GB cant start soon enough interested definitely to get atleast 2 packs. Thinking about getting even 4...
That's awesome! I'm shocked at the response tbh, 31,680 switches in the IC so far. I'm on holiday over the weekend so I'll keep everyone updated and hopefully a GB will start next week :D
You know thats the new jam. ;)
I hope these are solid black.
Once I have a quote for RGB housing I will post a poll, majority wins!
I cant speak for rgb. What i heard is that the solid black silent blacks are smooth and thats the reason for the entire hype about it. Since i dont know about rgb i will most probably skip if these are going to be rgb. Its all about smoothnes and not rgb.
Yes, but I also heard silent reds were smooth, and panda linears were smooth, but I bought them both, and both are certainly not smooth. In fact, the silent reds are the scratchiest switches I've ever used.
Well seems like this time its different. Several people already confirmed that the silent blacks are smooth. Say people who actually received them: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89588.150
Just read the comments. In case of pandas people who received these have emidietly noted that these are scratchy. Anyway i am already waiting for 200 silent black switches so i'll get my own opinion on it soon.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:39:12
I want to know how these feel compared to the silent reds that were in my filco from mechanicalkeyboards.com
I really dislike the feel of silent red. It's like having a scratchy rubber dome keyboard :( I cannot fathom why anyone would prefer that switch if they all feel the same way. I suppose it's possible, but unlikely, that I got an "early" or "bad" batch that has since been improved upon?
They most likely improved the switches since the batch you got. I've been using my silent blacks unlubed for some weeks now to get a feel for the "naked" switch before doing any mods. Even though I'll eventually add lube to get the best smoothness, I haven't felt the need to add lube yet. It's definitely smooth enough that I feel no need to do so until I swap out the springs. Take this from a guy who was more than happy to trade some wobble for smoothness.
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 16:47:13
UPDATE: Novel Keys will be offering packs of 120 for $39 from within the US.Is that $39 + shipping or $39 shipped (within US)?
That would be $39 plus shipping from NovelKeys :)
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:10:16
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:38:39
They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
WTF why no holes for leds on the RGB version :(
Damn Cherry.
I was super-hyped for Silent RGB but at this point yeah the Black is the only way to go, even if people will vote for cherry RGB it means they don't know the led compatibility as well. We can still fit the led inside the switch tho but this is a big limit...
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:41:46
black housings are much better
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:53:08
rgb housings are really brittle so you'll likely break a few trying to open then
black housings are much better
yeah this is right, but i would care more about the non-led compatibility of the RGB version, so the rgb version will be unusable for almost every PCB and for unusable i mean non-compatible with normal leds. Basically a RGB switch with no lights :D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:53:52
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:56:01
Guess voting for RGB costs nothing. But that will definitely ruin this gb for people who are really serious about spending money on this.
A vote will only happen if RGB are same price. And i will list all the cons mentioned for RGB. I am also tempted to just run the GB, and state the reason as the RGB ones are no good. ;) :D
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 26 July 2017, 17:58:19
Guess voting for RGB costs nothing. But that will definitely ruin this gb for people who are really serious about spending money on this.
This is my fear, people jumping in the thread and just voting for the RGB version without reading the comments/details from OP (he said that every detail will be included). This is at least what i would have done before discovering the led-compatibility problem.
At this point i just hope that the RGB version will be higher as price and that the vote will never happen in the first place. I also think that if this will end up to be the RGB version, the moq will not be hitted, while if this will be the black version, only few will skip it.
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:05:54
I am also tempted to just run the GB, and state the reason as the RGB ones are no good. ;) :D(http://i.imgur.com/SEvLOZk.jpg)
Post by: Prelim on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:10:47
Post by: KaosJ on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:12:39
I am also tempted to just run the GB, and state the reason as the RGB ones are no good. ;) :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SEvLOZk.jpg)
^ This
Post by: VicareyG on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:15:46
I am also tempted to just run the GB, and state the reason as the RGB ones are no good. ;) :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SEvLOZk.jpg)
^ This
At any rate I'm on holiday until Monday so I'll be updating but not in a position to run a GB until at least Monday :)
Post by: xantiema on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:28:02
Post by: ygor on Wed, 26 July 2017, 18:29:34
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 26 July 2017, 19:14:26
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Post by: xantiema on Wed, 26 July 2017, 20:32:52
Hello everyone!
I'm George. I run Optic Boards - www.opticboards.com (http://www.opticboards.com)
I have an IC here for Cherry MX Silent Black switches.
There is an MOQ of 48,000 switches! Which is incredibly high, to help achieve this I will only be allowing purchases of packs of 120, instead of the however many you want as long as it's more than 10 which I usually do. I will be getting the switches from Cherry's European distributor, so there will not be a re-seller in the middle.
The price is £26 for a pack of 120 or roughly £0.2166... per switch. ($33.94, so it is $0.282 per switch)
I will be pledging to purchase at least 40 packs of switches for myself leaving only 360 packs to be purchased by everyone else.
I would like to run this GB alongside a CONUS based proxy, so if anyone would like to jump in as a proxy let me know via DM or email: george@opticboards.com.
Shipping prices. £3.50 UK, £5.50 EU, £7.50 everyone else.
Any questions let me know!
Update: Novelkeys has agreed to proxy over in the US! I'll update once he has worked out appropriate price to cover customs and shipping to him.
UPDATE: Novel Keys will be offering packs of 120 for $39 from within the US.
IC LINK HERE https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72 (https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72)
As far as I know, there are multiple revisions of these. Which one is this GB for?
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 26 July 2017, 21:25:39
I can't commit to this group buy unless I know what exactly what switch I'm getting. I have no need for another cherry switch unless it is a new/improved design.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 27 July 2017, 00:59:04
I am also tempted to just run the GB, and state the reason as the RGB ones are no good. ;) :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SEvLOZk.jpg)
same...
I'm not trying to hold you at gun-point or so, but I'm only in with black housings
Post by: Blazestorm on Thu, 27 July 2017, 03:52:57
Anyways, just an option if Cherry only offers Plate mounted and/or not the bottom you prefer, just find some Gateron switches and swap. The key part of the Silent Blacks is the stem anyways...
I'm in for 3-4 packs from NovelKeys. These are really nice, just have to find a way to silence the spacebar better.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 27 July 2017, 10:44:50
So far this is the switch worth to build into a custom. Totally worth it! Forgot to mention they are silent though its not that important but nice feature expecially if you bottom out.
Post by: VicareyG on Thu, 27 July 2017, 13:54:54
I just need to discuss with NovelKeys for when a good time to start the GB will be.
Post by: rioc on Thu, 27 July 2017, 14:50:20
Good news everyone! (most of you anyway). I have received the quote for the RGB variant. They are more expensive meaning that when the GB starts it will be for MX Silent Black PCB Mount switches.
I just need to discuss with NovelKeys for when a good time to start the GB will be.
WOOHOO!! :thumb:
Post by: romevi on Thu, 27 July 2017, 15:27:35
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 27 July 2017, 16:00:25
Was bussy all the evening with tweaking silent blacks. Just from my experience i suggest to use thick lube from the start. That will make them butter smooth. Ended up exchanging the black springs to red gaterons springs. Guess i am a sucker for red weights. Right now thinking about purchasing custom springs but in which weight to hit the tension of the reds...?
Post by: rioc on Fri, 28 July 2017, 00:40:10
Oh, heck yes. Can't wait! Been wanting PCB-mount of these, and now my dream build for my 910 is that much closer.
Yeah same, had planned vintage black for one of my next builds but now I'll have to with these
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Post by: dorf on Fri, 28 July 2017, 01:06:25
Post by: rioc on Fri, 28 July 2017, 01:40:01
PCB mount!! Please go with black housing.
it has been confirmed it'll be the black housing pcb mount version
Post by: pomk on Fri, 28 July 2017, 05:02:50
Awesome! Hope these silent blacks will be made with the new tooling.Knowing how recent the double shot stems are, I find it extremely improbable that more than one set of tooling exists for these. The new tooling that has been discussed was for older slider designs.
Post by: ctrlX on Fri, 28 July 2017, 10:14:19
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Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 28 July 2017, 10:35:38
Awesome! Hope these silent blacks will be made with the new tooling.Knowing how recent the double shot stems are, I find it extremely improbable that more than one set of tooling exists for these. The new tooling that has been discussed was for older slider designs.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that you suspect the entire Cherry manufacturing facility only has 1 set of molds for all of the stems in every color stem they make and that they have thrown away all of their old molds. I suppose that is possible. But what has me confused is the "doubleshot stems."
Post by: pomk on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:00:07
The silent stems are done in two shots. One plastic and one rubber. I presume that the first shot is the plastic one as it has channels for the rubber to flow through. The tooling for silent stems is completely new.Awesome! Hope these silent blacks will be made with the new tooling.Knowing how recent the double shot stems are, I find it extremely improbable that more than one set of tooling exists for these. The new tooling that has been discussed was for older slider designs.
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Are you saying that you suspect the entire Cherry manufacturing facility only has 1 set of molds for all of the stems in every color stem they make and that they have thrown away all of their old molds. I suppose that is possible. But what has me confused is the "doubleshot stems."
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:13:16
Post by: digi on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:14:58
Post by: pomk on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:16:18
But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.Afaik the rgb casings are scratchier, but idk really. The black casing red and black silents that I have are all pretty nice.
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:30:52
Post by: Cotay on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:56:51
They do not have the holes for the leds on the switch housing, forcing the user to disassemble the switch to install the LEDs. Normally cherry MX switches have two holes in both the top and bottom housing allowing for a easy Led install, but the RGB variants have none.If they're PCB mount with Black housings, I'm in!
But please avoid RGB housings. You can't properly use LEDs with them, unless you place them inside the switch. They're normally used for RGB PCB's which aren't very common. (I think the only quality one available would be Zeal's RGB PCB - Those are PCB's with LED's on them).
So PCB mount with Black Housings, please!
What makes them not suitable for regular LEDs?
WTF why no holes for leds on the RGB version :(
Damn Cherry.
I was super-hyped for Silent RGB but at this point yeah the Black is the only way to go, even if people will vote for cherry RGB it means they don't know the led compatibility as well. We can still fit the led inside the switch tho but this is a big limit...
You could always swap out the black Cherry tops for clear Gateron RGB tops.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:57:13
The RGB housings are very brittle, I'd prefer this to be run with the black housing.
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:58:27
Post by: Cotay on Fri, 28 July 2017, 11:59:55
Hello everyone!
I'm George. I run Optic Boards - www.opticboards.com (http://www.opticboards.com)
I have an IC here for Cherry MX Silent Black switches.
There is an MOQ of 48,000 switches! Which is incredibly high, to help achieve this I will only be allowing purchases of packs of 120, instead of the however many you want as long as it's more than 10 which I usually do. I will be getting the switches from Cherry's European distributor, so there will not be a re-seller in the middle.
The price is £26 for a pack of 120 or roughly £0.2166... per switch. ($33.94, so it is $0.282 per switch)
I will be pledging to purchase at least 40 packs of switches for myself leaving only 360 packs to be purchased by everyone else.
I would like to run this GB alongside a CONUS based proxy, so if anyone would like to jump in as a proxy let me know via DM or email: george@opticboards.com.
Shipping prices. £3.50 UK, £5.50 EU, £7.50 everyone else.
Any questions let me know!
Update: Novelkeys has agreed to proxy over in the US! I'll update once he has worked out appropriate price to cover customs and shipping to him.
UPDATE: Novel Keys will be offering packs of 120 for $39 from within the US.
IC LINK HERE https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72 (https://goo.gl/forms/0gHqwJawdSunpPV72)
And here I just ordered 100 for $53 elsewhere. Very good price! I'll have to pick up more of these now.
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 28 July 2017, 12:00:37
But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
I've got silent reds and they're very smooth, smooth like gateron without the wobble. It's very sad that yours are scratchy.
Dear OP, can you please assure us that your silent switches will be smooth? Thanks
Post by: VicareyG on Fri, 28 July 2017, 12:30:58
But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
I've got silent reds and they're very smooth, smooth like gateron without the wobble. It's very sad that yours are scratchy.
Dear OP, can you please assure us that your silent switches will be smooth? Thanks
I have asked, and was told by the distributor that they aren't 100% sure but since these have a 10-12 week lead time they are a fresh batch, so theoretically they should be the latest revision. I will push for a more definite ansswer though.
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 28 July 2017, 12:31:08
But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
Post by: Latin00032 on Fri, 28 July 2017, 13:09:36
Does this mean the latest revision is guaranteed to be smooth?But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
Or is it alternated between batches?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 28 July 2017, 13:20:34
Does this mean the latest revision is guaranteed to be smooth?But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
Or is it alternated between batches?
Nobody here really knows it is all anecdotal up to this point.
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 28 July 2017, 14:55:27
Does this mean the latest revision is guaranteed to be smooth?But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
Or is it alternated between batches?
Nobody here really knows it is all anecdotal up to this point.
Pretty much
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 28 July 2017, 14:56:03
But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
I can confirm. Very smooth!
Post by: duynguyenle on Fri, 28 July 2017, 15:24:40
Does this mean the latest revision is guaranteed to be smooth?But this is the issue. I have silent reds, and they are the scratchiest stems I've ever had. I won't even use them they are so bad. Yet, there are people reporting that their silent blacks are very smooth. So either something has changed very recently, or there are different "batches", possibly from more that 1 tooling process, or no one knows what they are talking about.
FWIW, I have bought both Silent Red and Black from the recent Doyu GBs, and both packs were very very smooth
Or is it alternated between batches?
Nobody here really knows it is all anecdotal up to this point.
Perhaps if this GB moves forward George can shed more light on this in terms of switch smoothness (48k switches will no doubt provide a lot of opportunity for observation and empirical data)
Post by: sdothum on Fri, 28 July 2017, 22:12:58
Post by: VicareyG on Sat, 29 July 2017, 10:19:25
THE GB IS NOW LIVE! :D
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 29 July 2017, 10:51:39
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815)
THE GB IS NOW LIVE! :D
Link is broken.
Post by: Hokabuki on Sat, 29 July 2017, 10:55:59
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815)Any idea when Novelkeys will have it up for US customers?
THE GB IS NOW LIVE! :D
Post by: nmur on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:09:56
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815)
THE GB IS NOW LIVE! :D
Link is broken.
thread hasn't been approved yet
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/6qbfr7/gb_cherry_mx_silent_black_swicthes/
Post by: VicareyG on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:11:49
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90801.msg2466815#msg2466815)
THE GB IS NOW LIVE! :D
Link is broken.
ALL GB posts need to be approved by a moderator before they can be seen. :( There is a direct link in the OP.
Post by: VicareyG on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:19:59
US Proxy: https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/group-buy-cherry-mx-silent-black-switches/ (https://www.novelkeys.xyz/product/group-buy-cherry-mx-silent-black-switches/)
Post by: TalkingTree on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:31:48
waiting on mod approvalWell, meanwhile, I bought myself three packs. Thanks for running this.
Post by: VicareyG on Sat, 29 July 2017, 11:37:23
waiting on mod approvalWell, meanwhile, I bought myself three packs. Thanks for running this.
Thanks for taking part! :D
Post by: dorf on Sat, 29 July 2017, 13:02:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 29 July 2017, 13:09:30
Post by: Chromatrope on Sat, 29 July 2017, 13:58:32
Post by: romevi on Sat, 29 July 2017, 14:01:05
Post by: Sempre on Sat, 29 July 2017, 14:38:02
Post by: xantiema on Sat, 29 July 2017, 14:40:16
Post by: VicareyG on Sat, 29 July 2017, 15:20:34
Bought two packs. Europe shipping is tracked I presume? There wasn't any other options than the standard.
It isn't tracked as standard, just because tracked shipping varies vastly depending on where it's too even just to different places within the EU. I do add limited tracking to raise the insurance to the price of the package however i think that only tracks while it is inside the UK.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Sat, 29 July 2017, 15:40:36
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sat, 29 July 2017, 19:47:32
Bought two packs. Europe shipping is tracked I presume? There wasn't any other options than the standard.
It isn't tracked as standard, just because tracked shipping varies vastly depending on where it's too even just to different places within the EU. I do add limited tracking to raise the insurance to the price of the package however i think that only tracks while it is inside the UK.
Yeah it seems it was slightly cheaper for me to go straight from you than through the proxy at least at this time.
Post by: VicareyG on Sun, 30 July 2017, 13:54:35
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 30 July 2017, 13:56:26
Anyone know how to contact the mods? To try and get the GB thread approved?
Send a private message
Post by: Doluded on Sun, 30 July 2017, 13:56:43
Anyone know how to contact the mods? To try and get the GB thread approved?Might be a different system, but what I did to get my Classified approved, was to report the pending thread and write a little note asking someone to take a look at it. I don't know if that is unadvised for GB threads however.
Post by: VicareyG on Sun, 30 July 2017, 13:57:34
Anyone know how to contact the mods? To try and get the GB thread approved?Might be a different system, but what I did to get my Classified approved, was to report the pending thread and write a little note asking someone to take a look at it. I don't know if that is unadvised for GB threads however.
Sounds like a tactic that may work :)
Post by: romevi on Sun, 30 July 2017, 19:12:17
Anyone know how to contact the mods? To try and get the GB thread approved?
Abuse a thread and write at the bottom, "BTW approve the new thread."
Post by: Diventus on Sun, 30 July 2017, 22:15:54
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Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 31 July 2017, 02:53:38
Hi Vicary, I will commit to one pack of 120 please.
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Its already live, go buy it on his site!
Post by: rioc on Mon, 31 July 2017, 03:05:06
Hi Vicary, I will commit to one pack of 120 please.
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Its already live, go buy it on his site!
or novelkeys if you're from the US
Post by: VicareyG on Mon, 31 July 2017, 12:47:34
Post by: rioc on Mon, 31 July 2017, 13:30:15
The Group Buy is now at over half the MOQ! (53.75%) :Dgreat, looking forward to these :)
I'm sure I overlooked it somewhere in this thread, but is there an ETA on when they're gonna be shipped?
Post by: VicareyG on Mon, 31 July 2017, 13:31:44
The Group Buy is now at over half the MOQ! (53.75%) :Dgreat, looking forward to these :)
I'm sure I overlooked it somewhere in this thread, but is there an ETA on when they're gonna be shipped?
There's a 10-12 week lead time after the groups order is submitted. A very rough guess is November 10th-ish.
Post by: rioc on Mon, 31 July 2017, 13:37:22
The Group Buy is now at over half the MOQ! (53.75%) :Dgreat, looking forward to these :)
I'm sure I overlooked it somewhere in this thread, but is there an ETA on when they're gonna be shipped?
There's a 10-12 week lead time after the groups order is submitted. A very rough guess is November 10th-ish.
oh good, that'll most likely be early enough before I get the moon... guess where they'll go ;)
Post by: KaosJ on Tue, 01 August 2017, 05:57:20
Post by: byker on Thu, 03 August 2017, 22:43:33
Locking IC thread now.