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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: rowdy on Tue, 22 August 2017, 22:01:11
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Does anyone else (apart from Rowdy) use abbreviations as one word sentences?
Like if someone asks "Who's coming for a trip to the pub?" and you'd respond "I'm" - which is a contraction of "I am". Normally I guess you'd respond "me", or "I am", but "I'm" is grammatically correct, afaik.
Or if you are in a group, you could answer "we're" - "we are".
Have anyone else regularly done this?
I've.
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I've never thought about this but now it will obsess me until I figure out a reason this is still grammatically incorrect.
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I'm pretty sure it is grammatically incorrect. In this bit by the Cambridge Dictionary:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/writing/contractions
Towards the bottom it says that you shouldn't use contractions at the end of a sentence
We don’t use affirmative contractions at the end of clauses:
A:
I think we’re lost.
B:
Yes, I think we are.
Not: I think we’re
It feels weird to say it in my head, and looking at that I don't think I would consider doing it.
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i asay whatever iwana
u can'tsop me.
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Or if you are in a group, you could answer "we're" - "we are".
Would sound too much like 'where' when pronounced.
> Are you coming along?
> "Where"
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I hadn't even thought about being able to pronounce words with apostrophes in before this... Sounds wrong trying to.
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The common phrase around year the locals always say is 'you'ins', it is pronounced as one quick word that sounds like "yoonz".
Example:
Q: Is anyone sitting here?
A: You'ins are welcome to.
Q: How many more people can fit in the elevator?
A: You'ins can squeeze in here.
Q: Can you take our photo?
A: Sure, You'ins look real nice.
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I'm pretty sure it is grammatically incorrect. In this bit by the Cambridge Dictionary:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/grammar/british-grammar/writing/contractions
Towards the bottom it says that you shouldn't use contractions at the end of a sentence
We don’t use affirmative contractions at the end of clauses:
A:
I think we’re lost.
B:
Yes, I think we are.
Not: I think we’re
It feels weird to say it in my head, and looking at that I don't think I would consider doing it.
Interesting link, but ...
I seem to recall reading an olden book a while back that did use two contractions per word quite regularly. Can't remember the book, but probably something from the general era of, say, Alice in Wonderland.
Also sometimes contractions are used where the full sentence would not make sense.
Isn't it a nice day out!
Is not it a nice day out!
Maybe as a programmer I'm always expanding function calls in my mind when I read code, so I expand contractions in my mind when I read or hear sentences. So to me "I am" and "I'm" are the same.
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Or if you are in a group, you could answer "we're" - "we are".
Would sound too much like 'where' when pronounced.
> Are you coming along?
> "Where"
Regional differences in pronunciation.
If I were to say it, it would sound more like "weir".
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The common phrase around year the locals always say is 'you'ins', it is pronounced as one quick word that sounds like "yoonz".
Example:
Q: Is anyone sitting here?
A: You'ins are welcome to.
Q: How many more people can fit in the elevator?
A: You'ins can squeeze in here.
Q: Can you take our photo?
A: Sure, You'ins look real nice.
Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk
In Straya we'd just say "youse" (pronounced like yooz).
Youse are welcome to it.
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That double-contracted word might have been sha'n't - shall not.
Or it mightn't have been.
Also, Wikipedia has a list of some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_English_contractions
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Does anyone else (apart from Rowdy) use abbreviations as one word sentences?... Like if someone asks "Who's coming for a trip to the pub?" and you'd respond "I'm" - which is a contraction of "I am". Normally I guess you'd respond "me", or "I am", but "I'm" is grammatically correct, afaik... Or if you are in a group, you could answer "we're" - "we are"...
It's novel and all, dude—but the purpose of contractions is to save time, not to cause confusion by keeping people hanging for details that never arrive.
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Okay, I've now actually found some references to why the use of a stand-alone contraction is considered an error in English.
The long discussion is here (https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/7636/can-you-contract-the-main-verb-in-a-sentence). It boils down to the principle that you can't use a contracted form in a grammatically stressed position. For example:
Correct: I don't know what it is.
Incorrect: I don't know what it's.
"In American English, the contracted form ’ve is only possible as an auxiliary verb. It is not grammatical as a main verb."
Hope this helps.
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Okay, I've now actually found some references to why the use of a stand-alone contraction is considered an error in English.
The long discussion is here (https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/7636/can-you-contract-the-main-verb-in-a-sentence). It boils down to the principle that you can't use a contracted form in a grammatically stressed position. For example:
Correct: I don't know what it is.
Incorrect: I don't know what it's.
"In American English, the contracted form ’ve is only possible as an auxiliary verb. It is not grammatical as a main verb."
Hope this helps.
english is just like facebook, let's patch in everything and gobble up lots of cpu power with bad process-management.
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"poop" - "poo".
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Okay, I've now actually found some references to why the use of a stand-alone contraction is considered an error in English.
The long discussion is here (https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/7636/can-you-contract-the-main-verb-in-a-sentence). It boils down to the principle that you can't use a contracted form in a grammatically stressed position. For example:
Correct: I don't know what it is.
Incorrect: I don't know what it's.
"In American English, the contracted form ’ve is only possible as an auxiliary verb. It is not grammatical as a main verb."
Hope this helps.
What's all this talk of "can't use a contracted form in a grammatically stressed position"?
I do it all the time, therefore I can!
Perhaps they meant "shouldn't"?
Anyway, the question wasn't can (or should) you do it, but who actually does it :p
I've.
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I'ven't.
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I'ven't.
Defn't I r'bstst @ wrd
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I'ven't.
Well said!
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some people say keeb instead of keyboard, it's a bit of a sore point for some people. But apparently keeb actually means penis so if you say to someone i like your keeb, you are really saying i like your penis.
The end
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I'ven't.
This.
I don't use a lot of abbreviations because English isn't my first language so I have a hard time keeping track of them all. :D
I have to keep up with slang as well.
The cool kids on twitch use abbreviations I don't know what mean and I have to look them up. :p
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some people say keeb instead of keyboard, it's a bit of a sore point for some people. But apparently keeb actually means penis so if you say to someone i like your keeb, you are really saying i like your penis.
The end
That keeb thread made me throw up in my mouth.
I had to suppress my nausea even to type this response.
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I'ven't.
This.
I don't use a lot of abbreviations because English isn't my first language so I have a hard time keeping track of them all. :D
I have to keep up with slang as well.
The cool kids on twitch use abbreviations I don't know what mean and I have to look them up. :p
I speak the language, but I don't necessarily know how it works.
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I'ven't.
This.
I don't use a lot of abbreviations because English isn't my first language so I have a hard time keeping track of them all. :D
I have to keep up with slang as well.
The cool kids on twitch use abbreviations I don't know what mean and I have to look them up. :p
I speak the language, but I don't necessarily know how it works.
This is how I feel about all languages. :D