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Title: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:09:12
What is the go-to video card now around $300-$400? Nvidia chipset..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:09:47
TP4 you should have posted by now...what the heck....
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:10:50
no

if you're spending m0ar than $150  ,     get the 1080 (non-ti) for ~$450ish

don't buy anything in between, bad value


If you're spending $100-150,  get the 1050 Ti,   best card for general use, with 4k hevc hardware decoding support.



DO NOT buy the 1060 3GB, 

DO NOT buy the 1060 6GB,   

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:15:55
no

if you're spending m0ar than $150  ,     get the 1080 (non-ti) for ~$450ish

don't buy anything in between, bad value


If you're spending $100-150,  get the 1050 Ti,   best card for general use, with 4k hevc hardware decoding support.



DO NOT buy the 1060 3GB, 

DO NOT buy the 1060 6GB,   



What if you're spending $250?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Auk on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:18:59
What if you're spending $250?

1050 Ti + many vegetables
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:20:44
What if you're spending $250?

1050 Ti + many vegetables

That's a lot of potatoes.....

Wonder if I can offload my 1060 and get a 1050Ti and profit....
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 11:38:03


What if you're spending $250?


The answer is,  Don't spend $250.. 


This isn't just about performance/ dollar  when you go over the $200 mark.


Because if you pay that amount,  you're not going to upgrade for a WHILE..


So, that card has to last much longer than a $100-150 card.

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:05:23
1080 definitely, go big or go home.

Nvidia is lame tho
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 12:41:32
GRACIAS
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:06:05
What if you're spending $250?

1050 Ti + many vegetables

That's a lot of potatoes.....

Wonder if I can offload my 1060 and get a 1050Ti and profit....

it  makes sense to get the 1060 if it was months and months ago.

but not at this point..

especially now that we know vega is going to be fine-wine situation like the 290x.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:18:48
Which 1080 is "~$450"??
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:24:53
Which 1080 is "~$450"??

you gotta do some camping at slickdeals.net  and setup a deal alert for 1080

just recently there was  1080 for $478

but the lowest in the past few month, we've seeeen $460 , maybe $450 as well,

https://slickdeals.net/f/10407968-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080-directx-12-gv-n1080wf3oc-8gd-8gb-newegg-ebay-apply-code-pcollege10-464-98?src=SiteSearch


https://slickdeals.net/f/10514016-msi-gtx-1080-armor-8g-oc-geforce-gtx-1080-graphic-card-1-66-ghz-core-1-80-ghz-boost-clock-8-gb-gddr5x-478-beach-camera-via-rakuten?src=SiteSearch
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:29:31
What about a 1070?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:37:43
What about a 1070?

What kind of monitor(s) are you running?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:45:56
What about a 1070?

What kind of monitor(s) are you running?

Just a ****ty 24" Dell.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 06 September 2017, 14:54:21
What about a 1070?

What kind of monitor(s) are you running?

Just a ****ty 24" Dell.

If it's not 1440p or better, there is honestly no reason to spend $300-400 on a video card right now.  I've got a 290x and I've been contemplating upgrading, but for it to be worthwhile I'd need to upgrade at least one of my monitors to 1440p or better, and then I'd probably have to upgrade CPU, which then means I'd need to upgrade mobo and RAM, and now I'm spending $1000+ more than I thought I was going to.  1050ti is definitely the best bang-for-your-buck right now with mining inflating the prices on AMD cards like the RX 570 or 580, but frankly, right now is a bad time to upgrade GPUs.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 15:53:00


If it's not 1440p or better, there is honestly no reason to spend $300-400 on a video card right now.  I've got a 290x and I've been contemplating upgrading, but for it to be worthwhile I'd need to upgrade at least one of my monitors to 1440p or better, and then I'd probably have to upgrade CPU, which then means I'd need to upgrade mobo and RAM, and now I'm spending $1000+ more than I thought I was going to.  1050ti is definitely the best bang-for-your-buck right now with mining inflating the prices on AMD cards like the RX 570 or 580, but frankly, right now is a bad time to upgrade GPUs.


Depending on whether  digi is just watching nuddie flix in 4k,    or actually play games.


if he's just doing naughty internet things,  then 1050ti is the way to go.


but ANY game, 1080p or otherwise,  should  be paired with 1080gtx,   because pretty much all the games have high res shadow, lighting and ambient occlusion nowadays,    these features take alot to render even at 1080p...
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 16:28:07
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 17:14:02
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?

just camp the month, and get 1080 @ ~450..


Good god man, you can hold off on your naughty stuff for a bit.. hahahaha
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 17:21:06
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?

just camp the month, and get 1080 @ ~450..


Good god man, you can hold off on your naughty stuff for a bit.. hahahaha

LOL
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 06 September 2017, 17:26:03
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?

The 1070 is ridiculously overpriced right now due to mining. Definitely do not buy one new.

And supposedly the prices on 1080s are going to go up this month as well. This really is a bad time to buy a video card.

I agree with waateva, get a 1050ti or even a used 970 for around $170 IMO. Yes, some of the newest games will need you to turn down shadows or HBAO+ to maintain buttery smooth fps but for the most part the 970 is still a very capable card at 1080p and it's cheap AF.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 18:16:45
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?

The 1070 is ridiculously overpriced right now due to mining. Definitely do not buy one new.

And supposedly the prices on 1080s are going to go up this month as well. This really is a bad time to buy a video card.

I agree with waateva, get a 1050ti or even a used 970 for around $170 IMO. Yes, some of the newest games will need you to turn down shadows or HBAO+ to maintain buttery smooth fps but for the most part the 970 is still a very capable card at 1080p and it's cheap AF.

did they ever fix that memory problem on the 970 ?

But overall,  I don't recommend Any 9 series cards,   because they don't have the full hardware hevc 4k capability for the new uhd blurays..

That's a big issue.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 06 September 2017, 18:58:43
Hehe, i need it for both bad things and gaming. All things Cyber.

1070 is ~$450, good to go?

The 1070 is ridiculously overpriced right now due to mining. Definitely do not buy one new.

And supposedly the prices on 1080s are going to go up this month as well. This really is a bad time to buy a video card.

I agree with waateva, get a 1050ti or even a used 970 for around $170 IMO. Yes, some of the newest games will need you to turn down shadows or HBAO+ to maintain buttery smooth fps but for the most part the 970 is still a very capable card at 1080p and it's cheap AF.

did they ever fix that memory problem on the 970 ?

But overall,  I don't recommend Any 9 series cards,   because they don't have the full hardware hevc 4k capability for the new uhd blurays..

That's a big issue.

The memory "problem" was honestly overblown. Terrible marketing gimmick? Yes. Actual gameplay problem? Not really.

4k bluray compatibility is a problem for a very small number of people. If you want an easy, cheap upgrade right now it's the best option IMO. Definitely better than a 1050Ti if you're not afraid of used hardware.

As I said before, this is a really awful time to buy a video card.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:08:53

The memory "problem" was honestly overblown. Terrible marketing gimmick? Yes. Actual gameplay problem? Not really.

4k bluray compatibility is a problem for a very small number of people. If you want an easy, cheap upgrade right now it's the best option IMO. Definitely better than a 1050Ti if you're not afraid of used hardware.

As I said before, this is a really awful time to buy a video card.


the 4gb thing is not to be taken lightly,  because it's a hardware design flaw which conflicted with many game engines.


When it was exposed, they knew that it was unfixable from the hardware/firmware side,   So the speculative remedy of the time was through software..

Now,  there are numerous problems to this,  because software has ever changing upkeep..    Ontop of this ever persistent flaw,  is the ever persistent Latency in response from Nvidia to tailor a fix for any new conflicting software or game.


So... in conclusion.. if you don't want to put up with a potential problem that simply CAN NOT BE FIXED...   do not buy the 970..


The 3.5gb problem is known to introduce severe microstuttering and dpi-latency in many games, as the engine has problem addressing that phantom memory segment.




Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: nugglets on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:26:14

The memory "problem" was honestly overblown. Terrible marketing gimmick? Yes. Actual gameplay problem? Not really.

4k bluray compatibility is a problem for a very small number of people. If you want an easy, cheap upgrade right now it's the best option IMO. Definitely better than a 1050Ti if you're not afraid of used hardware.

As I said before, this is a really awful time to buy a video card.


the 4gb thing is not to be taken lightly,  because it's a hardware design flaw which conflicted with many game engines.


When it was exposed, they knew that it was unfixable from the hardware/firmware side,   So the speculative remedy of the time was through software..

Now,  there are numerous problems to this,  because software has ever changing upkeep..    Ontop of this ever persistent flaw,  is the ever persistent Latency in response from Nvidia to tailor a fix for any new conflicting software or game.


So... in conclusion.. if you don't want to put up with a potential problem that simply CAN NOT BE FIXED...   do not buy the 970..


The 3.5gb problem is known to introduce severe microstuttering and dpi-latency in many games, as the engine has problem addressing that phantom memory segment.

Typical tp4, spent a few minutes googling and is now an expert.  :thumb:

This "problem" has been covered to death. Look it up yourself if you're really interested, OP, but I absolutely wouldn't hesitate to pick one up if it were an upgrade to my current card.

But I don't have time to argue a two year old issue with someone. =)
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 19:55:37

The memory "problem" was honestly overblown. Terrible marketing gimmick? Yes. Actual gameplay problem? Not really.

4k bluray compatibility is a problem for a very small number of people. If you want an easy, cheap upgrade right now it's the best option IMO. Definitely better than a 1050Ti if you're not afraid of used hardware.

As I said before, this is a really awful time to buy a video card.


the 4gb thing is not to be taken lightly,  because it's a hardware design flaw which conflicted with many game engines.


When it was exposed, they knew that it was unfixable from the hardware/firmware side,   So the speculative remedy of the time was through software..

Now,  there are numerous problems to this,  because software has ever changing upkeep..    Ontop of this ever persistent flaw,  is the ever persistent Latency in response from Nvidia to tailor a fix for any new conflicting software or game.


So... in conclusion.. if you don't want to put up with a potential problem that simply CAN NOT BE FIXED...   do not buy the 970..


The 3.5gb problem is known to introduce severe microstuttering and dpi-latency in many games, as the engine has problem addressing that phantom memory segment.

Typical tp4, spent a few minutes googling and is now an expert.  :thumb:

This "problem" has been covered to death. Look it up yourself if you're really interested, OP, but I absolutely wouldn't hesitate to pick one up if it were an upgrade to my current card.

But I don't have time to argue a two year old issue with someone. =)


I know everything .. didn't even haz to google..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 20:20:49
Meh, Google is overrated. I prefer the TP4 Search Engine..

"OK TP4, how much cholesterol is...."

:D
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 21:09:24
Meh, Google is overrated. I prefer the TP4 Search Engine..

"OK TP4, how much cholesterol is...."

:D


Total Cholesterol below 130 will guarantee you nearly 0% risk of heart disease.


Cholesterol at birth  and   of our wild monkey cousins closely resemble these levels.

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: HotRoderX on Wed, 06 September 2017, 21:14:40
another vote for the GTX 1080... you will thank your self. I love mine special for 1080p gaming! There really no point to go bigger other then bragging rights. I got a Gigabyte GTX 1080 with GDDR5X and its simple a beast best bang for your buck! and I got mine at 600.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Wed, 06 September 2017, 21:23:42
another vote for the GTX 1080... you will thank your self. I love mine special for 1080p gaming! There really no point to go bigger other then bragging rights. I got a Gigabyte GTX 1080 with GDDR5X and its simple a beast best bang for your buck! and I got mine at 600.

Will it handle Diablo 3? I'm pretty serious about Diablo, I'm thinking about going pro..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 06 September 2017, 22:02:22
another vote for the GTX 1080... you will thank your self. I love mine special for 1080p gaming! There really no point to go bigger other then bragging rights. I got a Gigabyte GTX 1080 with GDDR5X and its simple a beast best bang for your buck! and I got mine at 600.

Will it handle Diablo 3? I'm pretty serious about Diablo, I'm thinking about going pro..

you need dual 1080 Ti for Diapr0
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: noisyturtle on Wed, 06 September 2017, 22:44:59
Really if you have a GTX 780 or higher you can run any non-vr game out there just fine. There's really truly no need for the Pascal series in today's modern gaming climate except to support gimmicks like 4k.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 07:54:06
Really if you have a GTX 780 or higher you can run any non-vr game out there just fine. There's really truly no need for the Pascal series in today's modern gaming climate except to support gimmicks like 4k.

4k gaming is a gimmick..

4k Movies are not.

gtx 780 can't support 4k movies, it doesn't have full hardware acceleration of hevc.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:21:31
Really if you have a GTX 780 or higher you can run any non-vr game out there just fine. There's really truly no need for the Pascal series in today's modern gaming climate except to support gimmicks like 4k.

4k gaming is a gimmick..

4k Movies are not.

gtx 780 can't support 4k movies, it doesn't have full hardware acceleration of hevc.

Wtf you on about 4k for again?  digi said he's got a ****ty 24 inch Dell monitor which I guarantee isn't 4k, so why does he need a video card to support 4k?  Sure, he can buy a 1080 or even a 1080ti and not need to upgrade for awhile, but GPU prices are ****ing stupid right now, so giving yourself headroom at this point is a bad idea.  Go cheap to max or near-max 1080p, or if you must, go big and upgrade your GPU, monitor, and probably other things while spend 2-3X what you set out to spend.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:31:13

Wtf you on about 4k for again?  digi said he's got a ****ty 24 inch Dell monitor which I guarantee isn't 4k, so why does he need a video card to support 4k?  Sure, he can buy a 1080 or even a 1080ti and not need to upgrade for awhile, but GPU prices are ****ing stupid right now, so giving yourself headroom at this point is a bad idea.  Go cheap to max or near-max 1080p, or if you must, go big and upgrade your GPU, monitor, and probably other things while spend 2-3X what you set out to spend.

Hahahahahhaha

4K movies have 4:2:0 on the  chroma,  which means it's full 1080p chroma..

Which means UHD blurays downsampled will actually give you a Significantly more true to life 1080p experience vs standard 1080p blurays.

So the benefit is there, EVEN WITHOUT a 4K panel..


Now,, as for video settings..  if you buy something like a 1050Ti,  that's basically the same performance level as a 7970 released in  2011,  6 years ago..

This is a bad place to be, because it will not be enough for ANY of the latest games coming out,   it's outdated before you even buy it.

It can not support any of the latest competitive games at competitive framerates.


Now, you're gonna say something about 60hz and 60fps.

hahahaha

well, you're wrong again there,  because Nvidia now has something called Fast-Sync..   It uncaps the engine frame rate, and only pulls the lastest triple buffered frame to draw on screen.


In many of the latest competitive games,  Even on 60hz monitors there is a significant reduction in input latency and game response.     This gives anyone playing a Substantial competitive edge..

This latency benefit is especially pronounced at approximately 400-500 fps which is possible with 1080ti using medium-high settings..

because your input timing window is ~ 4 to 6x expanded vs someone on the 1050ti using the same settings.



Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 10:49:33
And on Price..


Nothing on the horizon is going to change the current price structure at least until middle of next year..



Vega is kind of slow (for now)

the Mining is irrelevant,  because even if everyone dumped their mining cards right now,  it's all rx 480 and 580

that won't change the price of  the gtx 1080 which is the best card to get..


It may affect the price of the 1050Ti,   but at the difference of $50,  does that matter ?  might as well buy it now if you're in for the 1050Ti.


But of course one shouldn't buy the 1050Ti  if any amount of gaming is to be done, as it is simply 6 years old performance.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 11:00:29

Wtf you on about 4k for again?  digi said he's got a ****ty 24 inch Dell monitor which I guarantee isn't 4k, so why does he need a video card to support 4k?  Sure, he can buy a 1080 or even a 1080ti and not need to upgrade for awhile, but GPU prices are ****ing stupid right now, so giving yourself headroom at this point is a bad idea.  Go cheap to max or near-max 1080p, or if you must, go big and upgrade your GPU, monitor, and probably other things while spend 2-3X what you set out to spend.

Hahahahahhaha

4K movies have 4:2:0 on the  chroma,  which means it's full 1080p chroma..

Which means UHD blurays downsampled will actually give you a Significantly more true to life 1080p experience vs standard 1080p blurays.

So the benefit is there, EVEN WITHOUT a 4K panel..


Now,, as for video settings..  if you buy something like a 1050Ti,  that's basically the same performance level as a 7970 released in  2011,  6 years ago..

This is a bad place to be, because it will not be enough for ANY of the latest games coming out,   it's outdated before you even buy it.

It can not support any of the latest competitive games at competitive framerates.


Now, you're gonna say something about 60hz and 60fps.

hahahaha

well, you're wrong again there,  because Nvidia now has something called Fast-Sync..   It uncaps the engine frame rate, and only pulls the lastest triple buffered frame to draw on screen.


In many of the latest competitive games,  Even on 60hz monitors there is a significant reduction in input latency and game response.     This gives anyone playing a Substantial competitive edge..

This latency benefit is especially pronounced at approximately 400-500 fps which is possible with 1080ti using medium-high settings..

because your input timing window is ~ 4 to 6x expanded vs someone on the 1050ti using the same settings.

I'll be honest, but I wasn't fully aware that 4k to 1080p downsampling was as good as what it seems to be.  TIL tp4!

That said, I think this is all going to boil down to what digi plans on doing now and in the future with this card.  Not everyone is trying to play the newest games on max settings, and definitely not everyone is trying to play the latest competitive games at competitive framerates.  If digi is just gonna be playing D3 and watching movies or various types ( ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ) I don't think he needs to spend $450+ on a 1080, but if he wants headroom and might want to be playing a lot of newer games at high settings, it might be worth it.  Personally, I think he's gonna have a helluva time finding a 1080 for $450 or even super close to that price, but GL with it! 

That said, I've found that EVGA b-stock cards can come in at a good price and they do allow you to auto-notify so try checking here https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8 (https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8) or reddit buildapcsales here https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/)
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 11:06:35
We have definitely seen gtx 1080 for ~$460 in only the last 2 months..  So.. it's out there on slickdeals.net..

even for $478 most recently..


For user -Digi-  in particular...  well , he might be just watching naughty movies and playing diablo,  or watching naughty movies WHILE watching his bot play diablo..  Don't know,   


But,  overall 1050Ti is just too far behind at this point.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 11:23:05
We have definitely seen gtx 1080 for ~$460 in only the last 2 months..  So.. it's out there on slickdeals.net..

even for $478 most recently..


For user -Digi-  in particular...  well , he might be just watching naughty movies and playing diablo,  or watching naughty movies WHILE watching his bot play diablo..  Don't know,   


But,  overall 1050Ti is just too far behind at this point.

Correct, and there was even a b-stock 1080 for $399 just over 3 months ago, but now the cheapest model for even b-stock is $519.  Most of the super-cheap deals are sold out extremely quickly, so unless digi is sitting around and pounces on it right away, he's not gonna get it.  And if $460 was a low in the last 2 months, and $478 is a low in the last couple weeks, I doubt that number is going to get lower so just under $500 will probably be the "new" low.

And sure, the 1050ti is behind and it's not gonna last 3-4 years, but if he wants to get something to last 9-12 months while playing everything at high-ish settings @ 1080p until the GPU market calms down, it would work fine and he wouldn't have to spend $200+ to do it.  He could also sell the used 1050ti when done to at least make half of what he spent back, so the money still wouldn't be all lost.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:12:36
For user -Digi-  in particular...  well , he might be just watching naughty movies and playing diablo,  or watching naughty movies WHILE watching his bot play diablo..  Don't know,   

hahaha...fairly accurate description (for now). But I also play Street Fighter and want to be somewhat future-proof. Battlefield, etc.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:37:30
For user -Digi-  in particular...  well , he might be just watching naughty movies and playing diablo,  or watching naughty movies WHILE watching his bot play diablo..  Don't know,   

hahaha...fairly accurate description (for now). But I also play Street Fighter and want to be somewhat future-proof. Battlefield, etc.

Then you gotta nut up or shut up.  Prepare to spend more and get a 1080, or settle and get a 1050ti or equivalent.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 13:58:04
For user -Digi-  in particular...  well , he might be just watching naughty movies and playing diablo,  or watching naughty movies WHILE watching his bot play diablo..  Don't know,   

hahaha...fairly accurate description (for now). But I also play Street Fighter and want to be somewhat future-proof. Battlefield, etc.

Then you gotta nut up or shut up.  Prepare to spend more and get a 1080, or settle and get a 1050ti or equivalent.

IMHO street fighter really requires 1080Ti,  because the engine doesn't support MSAA..

So the only way to get good Antialiasing is through super sampling..

That requires major gpu ponies..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: ArchDill on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:01:04
1070 Prices are insane right now because of mining
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:07:29
1070 Prices are insane right now because of mining

A lot of mid-high end cards are insane right now because of mining, which is why it's such a **** time to upgrade.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:10:50
Sounds like I need a 1070..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:23:05
Sounds like I need a 1070..

1080 or 1080 Ti..

just eat rice and potatoes for a month... 

Save Bux...
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 14:54:04
Sounds like I need a 1070..

1080 or 1080 Ti..

just eat rice and potatoes for a month... 

Save Bux...


Sounds like I need a 1080.. :D
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:27:02
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:31:51
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

#4 for value vs 1080 being #1. 1080 is also #2 for speed. The only thing the 1070 wins out on is price (marketshare is a dumb thing to score with).
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:45:54
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

#4 for value vs 1080 being #1. 1080 is also #2 for speed. The only thing the 1070 wins out on is price (marketshare is a dumb thing to score with).

Doh! Good point, Ok I see it now. 1080ti #1, 1080 #2 "effective 3d speed"
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:51:18
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

#4 for value vs 1080 being #1. 1080 is also #2 for speed. The only thing the 1070 wins out on is price (marketshare is a dumb thing to score with).

Doh! Good point, Ok I see it now. 1080ti #1, 1080 #2 "effective 3d speed"

Yeah, "meta" scores are misleading. Just wish all the cryptomining wasn't influencing prices and making sales go out of stock so quickly! I'm slumming it with a 560 ti :(
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 15:51:46
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

1080 is ~ 15-20% faster than the 1070,  @ precisely 15-20% more on price..

What a Concept.  ??

That's the better deal..  because you get what you pay for.



Also, right there on that weird website you linked.. the first column says gtx 1080 is the #1 value..

so.. Tp4 engine has already predicted that result..


The 1070 pcbs are usually stripped down a bit on power delivery too..   not a huge problem, but this isn't exactly an engine you can fix later.



Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:00:54
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

#4 for value vs 1080 being #1. 1080 is also #2 for speed. The only thing the 1070 wins out on is price (marketshare is a dumb thing to score with).

Doh! Good point, Ok I see it now. 1080ti #1, 1080 #2 "effective 3d speed"

Yeah, "meta" scores are misleading. Just wish all the cryptomining wasn't influencing prices and making sales go out of stock so quickly! I'm slumming it with a 560 ti :(

Damn son!  I upgraded from my 550ti over two years ago when AMD was rolling out the 3xx series, still ran pretty good though!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:01:43

Yeah, "meta" scores are misleading. Just wish all the cryptomining wasn't influencing prices and making sales go out of stock so quickly! I'm slumming it with a 560 ti :(

Damn son!  I upgraded from my 550ti over two years ago when AMD was rolling out the 3xx series, still ran pretty good though!

he's lying,  560ti doesn't even run crysis..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:02:40
Actually wait a minute, good thing I cross referenced Google against the TP4 Search Engine..

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/

It has the 1070 listed #1, meta score.

#4 for value vs 1080 being #1. 1080 is also #2 for speed. The only thing the 1070 wins out on is price (marketshare is a dumb thing to score with).

Doh! Good point, Ok I see it now. 1080ti #1, 1080 #2 "effective 3d speed"

Yeah, "meta" scores are misleading. Just wish all the cryptomining wasn't influencing prices and making sales go out of stock so quickly! I'm slumming it with a 560 ti :(

Damn son!  I upgraded from my 550ti over two years ago when AMD was rolling out the 3xx series, still ran pretty good though!

Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:03:58

Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p

you mean the 1050Ti ?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:07:15
Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p


whoa...whOA...WHOA!! Wait a minute pal! This thread is about MY upgrade NOT yours!!! :D j/k

Grats on the new card!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:09:45
Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p


whoa...whOA...WHOA!! Wait a minute pal! This thread is about MY upgrade NOT yours!!! :D j/k

Grats on the new card!




I was about to type out and say a bunch of angry nerd stuff.. '

Then in the back of my mind,  100% veggie Tp4 was like.. BE NICE...

So I backspaced the negativity..


and decided to type this instead..

Although at this very moment, amidst this very sentence,  a rage builds within  .


An innate energy inside Tp4 coalesces to correct the ailments of the universe,  The misalignment of Natural Ki... 



Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:10:51
Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p


whoa...whOA...WHOA!! Wait a minute pal! This thread is about MY upgrade NOT yours!!! :D j/k

Grats on the new card!




I was about to type out and say a bunch of angry nerd stuff.. '

Then in the back of my mind,  100% veggie Tp4 was like.. BE NICE...

So I backspaced the negativity..


and decided to type this instead..

Although at this very moment, amidst this very sentence,  a rage builds within  .


An innate energy within Tp4 to correct the ailments of the universe,  The misalignment of Natural Ki... 





I'm proud of you TP4 v2.0, so healthy, so stable, so full of fiber just waiting for his next poop.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:13:01

I'm proud of you TP4 v2.0, so healthy, so stable, so full of fiber just waiting for his next poop.

That said, digi, if you don't buy a gtx 1080, i'll kill myself..

Hahahahahaha, just kidding.. i just got the bluray for this.

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:13:48
LOLL
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1070?
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:25:40

Because of this thread I have a 1050 on the way!

I got the old card for free at Blizzcon in 2011, so I'm fine dropping $150 on the upgrade :p

you mean the 1050Ti ?

Yes, 1050ti. My lazy fingers didn't want to type the whole thing because... well... they're lazy.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 16:47:25

Yes, 1050ti. My lazy fingers didn't want to type the whole thing because... well... they're lazy.

Don't do that authenticdanger,

You almost gave me a heart attack..

If I wasn't so healthy eating 100% veggie 10% calories from fats..

Tp4 could've died..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: AuthenticDanger on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:13:52

Yes, 1050ti. My lazy fingers didn't want to type the whole thing because... well... they're lazy.

Don't do that authenticdanger,

You almost gave me a heart attack..

If I wasn't so healthy eating 100% veggie 10% calories from fats..

Tp4 could've died..

The danger of you having a heart attack is authentic... I'm just living up to my name ;)
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: noisyturtle on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:33:03
Well whatever ya do don't run 970 SLI because I get issues all the freakin time with that setup. BUT it's SLI, so it's still faster than a 1080... maybe I dunno. Turns my room into a damn furnace though.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:34:41
Well whatever ya do don't run 970 SLI because I get issues all the freakin time with that setup. BUT it's SLI, so it's still faster than a 1080... maybe I dunno. Turns my room into a damn furnace though.

you don't know what a furnace is ,  back in my day,   I had sli  7800gtx 512... 


Then i got crossfire 4870 after that..  much cooler..  but still pretty furnace-ee
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:43:00
Do a lot games still support SLI?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:44:02
Do a lot games still support SLI?

"yes and no..  but probably not.. "   is what nvidia is saying.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:45:29
i have a 1080ti can't say i'm unhappy with it
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:46:25
i have a 1080ti can't say i'm unhappy with it

That's not enuff..

Time to SLI.. !!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:47:22
i have a 1080ti can't say i'm unhappy with it

YEAH SIFO YOU DON'T A 1080Ti FOR DOTA AND STARCRAFT! :D
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:49:43
i have a 1080ti can't say i'm unhappy with it

YEAH SIFO YOU DON'T A 1080Ti FOR DOTA AND STARCRAFT! :D


OMG, I'm so maximum angry, because my downstairs computer can't run starcraft remastered

my upstairs computer haz the 7970,  but downstairs, i only haz the 7870 myst,  whcih only haz the 2gb ram.


You need 2.2gb ram to run the damn starcraft remastered, so i can't play that downstairs..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:51:00
i have a 1080ti can't say i'm unhappy with it

YEAH SIFO YOU DON'T A 1080Ti FOR DOTA AND STARCRAFT! :D


OMG, I'm so maximum angry, because my downstairs computer can't run starcraft remastered

my upstairs computer haz the 7970,  but downstairs, i only haz the 7870 myst,  whcih only haz the 2gb ram.


You need 2.2gb ram to run the damn starcraft remastered, so i can't play that downstairs..

AMD?? Yuck!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 17:54:43

AMD?? Yuck!



Hahahahahaha...  Yea.. I've been red team since the 4870 days, and up to the 7970,  I stopped holding onto cards after that, because I stopped playing any eye-candy games..

Although i did put a watercooler on my 7970 and heavily overclocked it just for agar.io.

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 18:00:16
Although i did put a watercooler on my 7970 and heavily overclocked it just for agar.io.

 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 18:03:37
Although i did put a watercooler on my 7970 and heavily overclocked it just for agar.io.

 :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

I got pretty crazy ..

I created a clean agar.io partition with windows 7 and nothing else.

I turned off all windows startup services except network..


Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Thu, 07 September 2017, 18:04:47
That's the best thing I've ever heard..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 07 September 2017, 18:26:37
That's the best thing I've ever heard..

people playing competitive games used to do that  before all the dual cores , quad cores, etc..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 08 September 2017, 04:59:26
I've got a 1080 in the PC I built back in May and I think it's amazing but I came from a 2012 imac so I was pretty easily won over.

I have nothing to add really. I just wanted to join in.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:08:07
I've got a 1080 in the PC I built back in May and I think it's amazing but I came from a 2012 imac so I was pretty easily won over.

I have nothing to add really. I just wanted to join in.

// sending digital  hair tousle ..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: Sifo on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:10:22
actaully i use my 1080 ti to play hearthstone mainly
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 08 September 2017, 10:48:23
actaully i use my 1080 ti to play hearthstone mainly

are you using the 16x supersampling?  there might even be one larger than this.. i remember there was some announcement about it a while back.

My old card only goes up to 8x ssaa for hearthstone..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:18:21
So, it's back up on slickdeals  newegg business ~$470 before tax
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:26:26
Your boy already copped one. Diablo 3 never looked so good. :D

Whoa, so I think I can actually get someone to buy my old 680 on ebay, people are really buying these video cards up eh?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:28:15
Your boy already copped one. Diablo 3 never looked so good. :D

Did you turn on the Super sample anti aliasing ?
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:29:18
Your boy already copped one. Diablo 3 never looked so good. :D

Did you turn on the Super sample anti aliasing ?

Ooo, I need to check!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:31:05
Your boy already copped one. Diablo 3 never looked so good. :D

Did you turn on the Super sample anti aliasing ?

Ooo, I need to check!


It seems gtx 1080 can push over 300 fps on diablo 3,   try out the -fast sync- as well.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:32:39
Your boy already copped one. Diablo 3 never looked so good. :D

Did you turn on the Super sample anti aliasing ?

Ooo, I need to check!


It seems gtx 1080 can push over 300 fps on diablo 3,   try out the -fast sync- as well.

Yeah so whats the deal on that? It looks better (smoother) when I enable V-Sync though..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:37:13

Yeah so whats the deal on that? It looks better (smoother) when I enable V-Sync though..


V-sync is 1:1

Fastsync is 1+ : 1


with Vsync, the engine is running at 60 fps just like the 60 hz screen

with Fastsync,  the engine is running at Max ~300fps,  and only draws the Latest frames onto the 60hz screen.



Fastsync, offers significantly reduced input latency, and more up to date frames.


It does require that the engine be at around 2.5x and above the monitor's refresh rate though.


I'm not sure if Supersampling would drop the frame rate too low for the fast sync to be effective..


What is your uncapped frame rate with just Super sampling.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:42:40
I don't see an option for "Fastsync" in the game. I'm unsure if D3 even supports it, but thats good to know.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 16:45:33
I don't see an option for "Fastsync" in the game. I'm unsure if D3 even supports it, but thats good to know.


first uncap the frame rate in diablo 3 menu where it says max foreground fps, uncheck that,

Then turn off  vsync.

Then go into nvidia profile inspector,  find diablo 3, and look for the fast-sync option.

http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/nvidia-profile-inspector-download.html



5:07 tells you how to enable fast sync

Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 17:11:03
Ooo, Imma try that, thanks!
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Mon, 18 September 2017, 21:11:35
So apparently Diablo doesn't like fast-sync. Made it worst TBH. Just went back to v-sync and 60 fps, locked and smooth.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 18 September 2017, 21:31:49
So apparently Diablo doesn't like fast-sync. Made it worst TBH. Just went back to v-sync and 60 fps, locked and smooth.


what was the frame rate with vsync off,  no fast sync
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Tue, 19 September 2017, 00:10:22
Like 160-180 with everything turnt up for what..
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 19 September 2017, 05:47:14
Like 160-180 with everything turnt up for what..

Hrrrmm

Turn the antialiasing down a bit until you see ~300 fps..

Then turn on fast-sync,  see if that makes a difference.
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Tue, 03 October 2017, 16:15:36
Pretty good deal...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GXOX35A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=slicinc-20&ascsubtag=edcb0472a87f11e78ee79298aa0449350INT&smid=AANSFONOCR8T3&psc=1
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 03 October 2017, 16:53:52
Pretty good deal...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GXOX35A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=slicinc-20&ascsubtag=edcb0472a87f11e78ee79298aa0449350INT&smid=AANSFONOCR8T3&psc=1


Not everyone super rich from dat-drug-m0ney like you -Digi-
Title: Re: Best mid/upper range video card? 1080/1080Ti, confirmed.
Post by: digi on Tue, 03 October 2017, 17:10:51
Pretty good deal...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GXOX35A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?tag=slicinc-20&ascsubtag=edcb0472a87f11e78ee79298aa0449350INT&smid=AANSFONOCR8T3&psc=1


Not everyone super rich from dat-drug-m0ney like you -Digi-

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