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Title: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:30:42
GROUPBUY IS LIVE HERE: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92451


Mech27-TKLv2
Canadian Made
(https://i.imgur.com/OogZN2E.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Yndu4K2.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/P0F1q6s.jpg)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwfDeTghKjOGNEs/giphy.gif)

What is the Mech27-TKL?

How much will it cost?

As of now, the Mech27-TKLv2 will cost approximately $400USD + Shipping.  Shipping will be calculated at checkout.

How many will be made, and how can I get one?

With a MOQ of 50 units and a hard limit of 50 units, they will be sold via raffle hosted on geekhack and r/mk.  Winners will be provided a one-time use coupon code to be used during checkout at Mech27.com
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:31:06
Reserved for minor updates.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:31:23
 :thumb: :-*
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: gnmar2723 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:35:03
oh **** get hype for v2 everybody
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DreLLin on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:39:48
HYPE!  :thumb:

I was waiting for this to happen but a bit sad that it's a raffle for only 50 units.  :'(
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: bminhz on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:40:25
Looking good, can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: avid on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:42:25
Very nice! Really like the silver, but would probably lean towards navy.

1. Is this compatible with tx84/7 pcb?
2. Is there any ETA?

Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:43:59
No more brass weight?  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:45:08
Very nice! Really like the silver, but would probably lean towards navy.

1. Is this compatible with tx84/7 pcb?
2. Is there any ETA?

I'm actually looking in to using the tx87 pcb :)

I just need to sort out the plate, pcb, and stabilizer pricing/sources and I'll be ready to launch the gb. 4 weeks max.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: PerniciousPony on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:45:38
V2 HYPE!! (https://i.imgur.com/MCxnddi.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:46:08
No more brass weight?  :-[
Sadly no, I have to decrease costs a little to offset the lower quantity and higher cost of the main pieces due to being made locally.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: oatmicro on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:48:02
Ehh raffle... Let's go my luck
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Trente on Wed, 25 October 2017, 18:57:01
Several question in my mind:

1. Would there be other material besides brass for the plate? Maybe stainless steel, alu, thick polycarb, or even PCB material? Brass is a very good one, but just want to know if there are also some other option available.

2. Curious if there could be alps compatible support? Like if the case can fit the leeku's Alps PCB, or if there would be alps compatible plate? (even with custom order and extra money?)

3. So if I really want cerokate, can I get a raw case (no anodize) and do it myself?


Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:00:18
Several question in my mind:

1. Would there be other material besides brass for the plate? Maybe stainless steel, alu, thick polycarb, or even PCB material? Brass is a very good one, but just want to know if there are also some other option available.

2. Curious if there could be alps compatible support? Like if the case can fit the leeku's Alps PCB, or if there would be alps compatible plate? (even with custom order and extra money?)

3. So if I really want cerokate, can I get a raw case (no anodize) and do it myself?

I can answer Question 2. This uses the standard A87 form factor PCB, so you can get an Alphas PCB from Leeku and use it in this case (as long as you get a custom Alps plate made)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:03:45
Several question in my mind:

1. Would there be other material besides brass for the plate? Maybe stainless steel, alu, thick polycarb, or even PCB material? Brass is a very good one, but just want to know if there are also some other option available.

2. Curious if there could be alps compatible support? Like if the case can fit the leeku's Alps PCB, or if there would be alps compatible plate? (even with custom order and extra money?)

3. So if I really want cerokate, can I get a raw case (no anodize) and do it myself?

To answer your questions, I'm looking into offering polycarbonate plates in addition to the brass, but in order to reach price breaks the basic kit is required.

The current plate design I am using is mx/alps compatible, so any A.87 compatible pcb with the usb on the top will fit.

I will not be offering unfinished boards, as places that do cerakote will have to strip and clean it regardless.  Anodized aluminum is also a little bit harder than raw, making it just a little bit safer to transport.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Atredl on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:07:34
Why are all the navy blue keyboards TKL? First the Norbauer case and now this  :'( :'( :'(

Someone please make a navy blue 60% and I’ll love them forever.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: plugable on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:12:55
My body is ready. Looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:42:40
(https://i.imgur.com/ew6FuaB.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Trente on Wed, 25 October 2017, 19:50:37

I can answer Question 2. This uses the standard A87 form factor PCB, so you can get an Alphas PCB from Leeku and use it in this case (as long as you get a custom Alps plate made)


To answer your questions, I'm looking into offering polycarbonate plates in addition to the brass, but in order to reach price breaks the basic kit is required.

The current plate design I am using is mx/alps compatible, so any A.87 compatible pcb with the usb on the top will fit.

I will not be offering unfinished boards, as places that do cerakote will have to strip and clean it regardless.  Anodized aluminum is also a little bit harder than raw, making it just a little bit safer to transport.

Gotcha, thanks for the answer! Also would it be possible for mix and match for the color? Like top case red and bottom black?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DreLLin on Wed, 25 October 2017, 20:00:47
No more brass weight?  :-[
Sadly no, I have to decrease costs a little to offset the lower quantity and higher cost of the main pieces due to being made locally.

So what’s the weight difference of round 2 compared to round 1?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 20:15:53

I can answer Question 2. This uses the standard A87 form factor PCB, so you can get an Alphas PCB from Leeku and use it in this case (as long as you get a custom Alps plate made)


To answer your questions, I'm looking into offering polycarbonate plates in addition to the brass, but in order to reach price breaks the basic kit is required.

The current plate design I am using is mx/alps compatible, so any A.87 compatible pcb with the usb on the top will fit.

I will not be offering unfinished boards, as places that do cerakote will have to strip and clean it regardless.  Anodized aluminum is also a little bit harder than raw, making it just a little bit safer to transport.

Gotcha, thanks for the answer! Also would it be possible for mix and match for the color? Like top case red and bottom black?

I don't know if I'll offer mixed colour orders, as that adds a LOT more work during the sorting process and I'm still only one person.  I want to avoid being overwhelmed like I was with v1.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 25 October 2017, 20:21:41
No more brass weight?  :-[
Sadly no, I have to decrease costs a little to offset the lower quantity and higher cost of the main pieces due to being made locally.

So what’s the weight difference of round 2 compared to round 1?

I can't answer the exact difference right now, but 500g-850g difference would be a decent ballpark.  The weight of the top and bottom prototype in the pictures is 1.9kg
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: kmba on Wed, 25 October 2017, 20:56:26
Why are all the navy blue keyboards TKL? First the Norbauer case and now this  :'( :'( :'(

Someone please make a navy blue 60% and I’ll love them forever.

I ask in every non-TKL IC for cases to be made in navy blue.  Just never happens.  TKL doesn't interest me very much but I need dat navy!!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Trente on Wed, 25 October 2017, 21:03:06
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I know the case is compatible with a.87 type PCB, but I am wondering if filco PCB is one of them, since would like to use a LFK TKL PCB with this case
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Undrcontrl on Wed, 25 October 2017, 21:08:53
Already in!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 25 October 2017, 22:05:35
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I know the case is compatible with a.87 type PCB, but I am wondering if filco PCB is one of them, since would like to use a LFK TKL PCB with this case

No, the USB is in the wrong place, and I believe the F-row spacing is slightly different.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: idlemao on Wed, 25 October 2017, 22:49:11
I'd like to get in on this.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 26 October 2017, 00:03:32
Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: FilthyMike720 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 00:42:36
Stoked to have a chance at this!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: wodan on Thu, 26 October 2017, 02:13:10
Excited to hear this is going into the next round.

Unexcited to hear it's going to be some raffle stuff ... I'm oot
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 26 October 2017, 04:17:11
can i just buy 2 boxes
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Fictiouz on Thu, 26 October 2017, 04:46:11
Ouuu baby. Good luck. Love the Mech27-TKL v1 so much. If I needed another TKL this would be the one.

Sent from my Pixel XL using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:12:32
hype
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 26 October 2017, 05:52:42
Can we have a pic of the side profile please? :)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Thu, 26 October 2017, 07:26:12
Are you telling me we can use this WITHOUT a diffuser now?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 09:41:56
Are you telling me we can use this WITHOUT a diffuser now?

Designed diffuser free  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 09:56:22
Can we have a pic of the side profile please? :)
(https://i.imgur.com/cmcc3SQ.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 26 October 2017, 10:27:07
You had piqued my interest until I saw the price and then the raffle completely killed any interest I did have.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 26 October 2017, 12:28:06
For the people complaining about raffle: would you like to suggest an alternative?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: duynguyenle on Thu, 26 October 2017, 12:31:59
Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I know the case is compatible with a.87 type PCB, but I am wondering if filco PCB is one of them, since would like to use a LFK TKL PCB with this case

No Filco and Phantom/LFK PCBs will not fit
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 26 October 2017, 13:22:45
For the people complaining about raffle: would you like to suggest an alternative?

No, no I would not thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: avid on Thu, 26 October 2017, 13:37:38
For the people complaining about raffle: would you like to suggest an alternative?

FCFS?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Gajible on Thu, 26 October 2017, 14:09:07
For the people complaining about raffle: would you like to suggest an alternative?

FCFS?

That's even more salt inducing.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 26 October 2017, 14:42:15
You had piqued my interest until I saw the price and then the raffle completely killed any interest I did have.


if going to be brutally honest I agree with the above. I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy. I mean understand the first buy you got burned.. that sucks.. but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy. Where quality would have been higher.. cost lower and units produced could meet demand!

 I mean like said want a TKL. I would have been in the market for this are time if the prices would have been more reasonable. While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable. This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy. I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking. The hype this item is getting is startling to say the least and shows me perhaps I am not as hardcore a enthusiast as some who must buy everything they see regardless.

Though do wish you good luck with the group buy raffle can't really call it a group buy its more a artisan raffle then Group buy. hope things work out nicely for you! and that all units sale. but if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 15:49:50
You had piqued my interest until I saw the price and then the raffle completely killed any interest I did have.


if going to be brutally honest I agree with the above. I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy. I mean understand the first buy you got burned.. that sucks.. but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy. Where quality would have been higher.. cost lower and units produced could meet demand!

 I mean like said want a TKL. I would have been in the market for this are time if the prices would have been more reasonable. While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable. This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy. I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking. The hype this item is getting is startling to say the least and shows me perhaps I am not as hardcore a enthusiast as some who must buy everything they see regardless.

Though do wish you good luck with the group buy raffle can't really call it a group buy its more a artisan raffle then Group buy. hope things work out nicely for you! and that all units sale. but if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

So what makes this lower quality than the first group buy?  Because it doesn't have a weight? Because it doesn't offer as many colours?  The entire point of local manufacturing is higher quality, better qc, less lead time, and being able to effectively communicate what I need and want to my manufacturer.

Also to explain the MOQ and hard limit of 50, I'm one person, a lot of things went wrong in v1 and a large part of that was allowing it to be overly complicated with colour combinations and a higher quantity.

Frankly I'm a little insulted that you're suggesting I just stick to designing and leave myself out of the production of it, but I can understand that people want something to be cheaper and have wider availability.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: koduh on Thu, 26 October 2017, 15:58:24
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but I can understand that people want something to be cheaper and have wider availability.

They can just stick with Coolermaster and Corsair. You do you babe.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:12:47
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I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy.

27 covered this in his post, but how is this "lower quality?" If anything it's better. The price break to get the lowest price is at 50 units, and 27 thinks that doing any more would make it hard for him to handle the logistics of it. This was the main issue in round 1, and if I were 27, this is how I would do it as well.

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but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy

And lose control over his own buy? This is just rude.

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While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable.

So gaudy and overpriced (No offense to Senter, he's clearly put a lot of work into TIME TKL)? Comparing keyboards to cars is pretty lame, IMO. This isn't trying to be the best of the best. Mech27 V2 is basically a Jane with no weight, for half the aftermarket price. That's objectively a good deal.

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This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy.

Duck's boards have no weight and 2-3 colors, people seem to like those. 356CL DGE only has one, and people pay more for that than almost anything else.

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I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking.

Without revealing too much: I've seen the cost breakdown, and you'd be surprised by the price of machine time outside of China, especially in Canada/USA. The price is justified. 27 has been looking into how to reduce it, and there isn't much left to reduce.

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But if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

And I thought I was rude...
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:19:22
You had piqued my interest until I saw the price and then the raffle completely killed any interest I did have.


if going to be brutally honest I agree with the above. I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy. I mean understand the first buy you got burned.. that sucks.. but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy. Where quality would have been higher.. cost lower and units produced could meet demand!

 I mean like said want a TKL. I would have been in the market for this are time if the prices would have been more reasonable. While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable. This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy. I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking. The hype this item is getting is startling to say the least and shows me perhaps I am not as hardcore a enthusiast as some who must buy everything they see regardless.

Though do wish you good luck with the group buy raffle can't really call it a group buy its more a artisan raffle then Group buy. hope things work out nicely for you! and that all units sale. but if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

So what makes this lower quality than the first group buy?  Because it doesn't have a weight? Because it doesn't offer as many colours?  The entire point of local manufacturing is higher quality, better qc, less lead time, and being able to effectively communicate what I need and want to my manufacturer.

Also to explain the MOQ and hard limit of 50, I'm one person, a lot of things went wrong in v1 and a large part of that was allowing it to be overly complicated with colour combinations and a higher quantity.

Frankly I'm a little insulted that you're suggesting I just stick to designing and leave myself out of the production of it, but I can understand that people want something to be cheaper and have wider availability.

Didn't mean to offend ya but yea... its not a group buy its a raffle for a pre production product.

As far as quality goes this one just doesn't look to be up to the same quality as previous buy. There fewer color's to select from and the lack of brass weight that is inserted also are any weight. What I can tell this one just has a maple leaf milled into the back of the aluminum for the case.

At 400 dollars I expect lots of color options outside of the standard norms. I expect a brass weight and perhaps a brass plate to boot. Perhaps my expectations are askew thought I don't think so. They are just my expectations thought. There not for everyone. I Knew posting what I did might cause some ripples but o will. I think my opinion is just as valid as those who praise the product.

Yes I think the v1 was extremely nice and asking for help is never a bad thing. The fact your a single person running the buy is a automatic no thank you! I don't think you have any ill will what so ever. Lets get that clear right now. I think you most likely upstanding person I mean that.

There always the life factor that must be balanced into any equation. Things happen and we can't stop them and being a single person.. means if those things happen during a fulfillment such as this it could mean obvious downtime and delay's and much more. That's another reason I would suggest having least 1 or 2 more people helping are handing it off to a team of people. As some of the group buys are done for keycaps like Candykey's are ZFrontier.  That way if something happens people aren't left in the dark. This might sound cold but its not meant to be once again its just one very unpopular opinion and I still wish you the very best of luck with your Raffle. I hope things go smoothly. I hope everything is fulfilled. Perhaps I look like a jerk when people start posting there first builds and it blows all expectations away.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: HotRoderX on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:22:13
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I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy.

27 covered this in his post, but how is this "lower quality?" If anything it's better. The price break to get the lowest price is at 50 units, and 27 thinks that doing any more would make it hard for him to handle the logistics of it. This was the main issue in round 1, and if I were 27, this is how I would do it as well.

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but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy

And lose control over his own buy? This is just rude.

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While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable.

So gaudy and overpriced (No offense to Senter, he's clearly put a lot of work into TIME TKL)? Comparing keyboards to cars is pretty lame, IMO. This isn't trying to be the best of the best. Mech27 V2 is basically a Jane with no weight, for half the aftermarket price. That's objectively a good deal.

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This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy.

Duck's boards have no weight and 2-3 colors, people seem to like those. 356CL DGE only has one, and people pay more for that than almost anything else.

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I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking.

Without revealing too much: I've seen the cost breakdown, and you'd be surprised by the price of machine time outside of China, especially in Canada/USA. The price is justified. 27 has been looking into how to reduce it, and there isn't much left to reduce.

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But if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

And I thought I was rude...

I didn't mean to come off rude only honest and helpful. I am going to just take it my post really didn't come off that way. Hopefully the second post sheds some more light on things. Perhaps I am just way out of my league when it comes to higher end keyboard and expectations. I mean am new so perhaps expectations don't meet reality. Either way never meant to offend only give feedback.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: afrokobe on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:26:09
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I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy.

27 covered this in his post, but how is this "lower quality?" If anything it's better. The price break to get the lowest price is at 50 units, and 27 thinks that doing any more would make it hard for him to handle the logistics of it. This was the main issue in round 1, and if I were 27, this is how I would do it as well.

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but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy

And lose control over his own buy? This is just rude.

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While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable.

So gaudy and overpriced (No offense to Senter, he's clearly put a lot of work into TIME TKL)? Comparing keyboards to cars is pretty lame, IMO. This isn't trying to be the best of the best. Mech27 V2 is basically a Jane with no weight, for half the aftermarket price. That's objectively a good deal.

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This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy.

Duck's boards have no weight and 2-3 colors, people seem to like those. 356CL DGE only has one, and people pay more for that than almost anything else.

Quote
I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking.

Without revealing too much: I've seen the cost breakdown, and you'd be surprised by the price of machine time outside of China, especially in Canada/USA. The price is justified. 27 has been looking into how to reduce it, and there isn't much left to reduce.

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But if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

And I thought I was rude...

tbf...... comparing this to 356 dge is a bit unfair even duck...
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 16:32:01
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I also don't understand the hard limit of 50 Keyboards with a MOQ of 50 or the need to have them manufactured locally at a higher price with lower quality then the first group buy.

27 covered this in his post, but how is this "lower quality?" If anything it's better. The price break to get the lowest price is at 50 units, and 27 thinks that doing any more would make it hard for him to handle the logistics of it. This was the main issue in round 1, and if I were 27, this is how I would do it as well.

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but perhaps it would have been better to try and give the design over to another and let them run a proper group buy

And lose control over his own buy? This is just rude.

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While time looks to be extremely quality almost Rolls Royce levels and its price is understandable.

So gaudy and overpriced (No offense to Senter, he's clearly put a lot of work into TIME TKL)? Comparing keyboards to cars is pretty lame, IMO. This isn't trying to be the best of the best. Mech27 V2 is basically a Jane with no weight, for half the aftermarket price. That's objectively a good deal.

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This comes with out the brass weight. The case is more simple color selection is toned way way down from previous buy.

Duck's boards have no weight and 2-3 colors, people seem to like those. 356CL DGE only has one, and people pay more for that than almost anything else.

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I just don't see it being worth anywhere close to the 400 dollars + shipping your asking.

Without revealing too much: I've seen the cost breakdown, and you'd be surprised by the price of machine time outside of China, especially in Canada/USA. The price is justified. 27 has been looking into how to reduce it, and there isn't much left to reduce.

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But if there is a round 3 perhaps handing the original designs over to someone else to produce would be better solution.

And I thought I was rude...

tbf...... comparing this to 356 dge is a bit unfair even duck...

To be fair that was just on the point of colour selection.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Signature on Thu, 26 October 2017, 17:06:20
GL 27 looks real clean :)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Kafka on Thu, 26 October 2017, 18:51:21
Whats the angle? Same as Jane/V1?


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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 26 October 2017, 19:04:18
Whats the angle? Same as Jane/V1?


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Yupp, 8 degrees.  I'm working on some more flexible CAD so I can adjust the angle easily for future designs.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Captain Shwah on Thu, 26 October 2017, 20:02:01
I just want to pop in and say that I'm ridiculously excited for v2. I wasn't around for v1 but a Mech27 has become one of my dream boards and the fact that this version is made in Canada makes it even more interesting.

Sure, a raffle is not as ideal as an unrestricted buy but 27's sanity is important too :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: n0rvig on Thu, 26 October 2017, 21:54:41
So this ready raffle yet?  Looks so stunning.


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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: bluesclera on Thu, 26 October 2017, 22:18:10
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: zekkin on Fri, 27 October 2017, 05:28:13
Hey 27, v2 looks great!

I have a v1 but was not part of the original GB. Any chance of a PCB and plate being offered separately? I've been itching to get a brass plate I'm this thing.

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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: airs on Fri, 27 October 2017, 17:30:08
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.

Wut? Try comparing that cost with Korean customs.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 27 October 2017, 19:17:08
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.

Wut? Try comparing that cost with Korean customs.

spoiler alert: it's the same

400 is about right for most TKLs
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Kafka on Fri, 27 October 2017, 20:45:30
I though GH was supposed to be more aware of prices and keyboards than reddit lol...
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 27 October 2017, 21:27:24
I though GH was supposed to be more aware of prices and keyboards than reddit lol...

lotta new people on here lately is all

the custom kit community is fairly small
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 October 2017, 02:10:22
lol
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: braidn on Sat, 28 October 2017, 07:37:01
I though GH was supposed to be more aware of prices and keyboards than reddit lol...

lotta new people on here lately is all

the custom kit community is fairly small

Couldn’t agree more with this.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: techfresh on Sat, 28 October 2017, 09:16:54
If not offering a weight, maybe design an insert on the inside so someone could run a custom weight GB like it’s done for Ducks?


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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 28 October 2017, 10:45:23
a lot of things went wrong in v1 and a large part of that was allowing it to be overly complicated with colour combinations and a higher quantity
no surprise there. too many customization options is asking for trouble, case in point the E8-V1 GB
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 28 October 2017, 14:00:14
If not offering a weight, maybe design an insert on the inside so someone could run a custom weight GB like it’s done for Ducks?


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I'll talk to 27 about it, but don't hold your breath.

a lot of things went wrong in v1 and a large part of that was allowing it to be overly complicated with colour combinations and a higher quantity
no surprise there. too many customization options is asking for trouble, case in point the E8-V1 GB

Different issues.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: whentheclouds on Sat, 28 October 2017, 14:28:10
Different issues.
you seem to have an opinion on everything. good for you!
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: skaloola on Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:38:14
No chance for Winkey layout?  Don't understand why the WKL layout is so popular, is it just aesthetics?  The look of the blockers + big spacebar?

I mainly use Linux/OSX and work in terminals/editors/IDEs all day, can't imagine life w/o command key (or function key on the other side).

Can't fathom why a Windows user would prefer not having a Winkey either.

Anyways, like this board and hoping there will be a Winkey option.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 29 October 2017, 02:45:00
No chance for Winkey layout?

As far as I've talked to 27, correct.

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Don't understand why the WKL layout is so popular, is it just aesthetics?  The look of the blockers + big spacebar?

Yes.

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I mainly use Linux/OSX and work in terminals/editors/IDEs all day, can't imagine life w/o command key (or function key on the other side).

It's fully programmable. You can remap it and program in macros with Jigon, should this go forward with TX87 PCB.

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Can't fathom why a Windows user would prefer not having a Winkey either.

I remap it to right control, since I don't use it very often. I map FN to pause if I don't need it. If I don't, I map it to right alt.

Sometimes I remap things into the nav cluster, since I don't use it very much, either.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: lshlsh1995 on Sun, 29 October 2017, 07:54:51
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.
It is about the same for all the TKL keyboard. Take a look at those expensive keycaps, they are expensive! Even keycaps from Vietnam like JellyKey is pricey too. (People used to think Made in China stuff were cheap, but now people are thinking that at least Made in China is better than Made in Vietnam, though Made in Italy stuff is still the luxury. BTW, I am just saying what I hear and I don't think I am discriminating against Vietnam, and I do think some keycaps from Vietnam look soooo good........)

Titanium Keyboard kits are much much more expensive. They are like about $1000-2000 even from Asian countries. The good thing about them is you can always get unique design with your own taste. I mean you can ask the designer to even make it shinier than a Corsair.... But titanum is a good metal and pricey than silver anyway, so many Koreans are buying them. They are mainly from China and Koreans start to buy them from China.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: shower_king on Sun, 29 October 2017, 22:54:32
Appreciate and understand raffle
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: afrokobe on Mon, 30 October 2017, 09:26:26
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.
It is about the same for all the TKL keyboard. Take a look at those expensive keycaps, they are expensive! Even keycaps from Vietnam like JellyKey is pricey too. (People used to think Made in China stuff were cheap, but now people are thinking that at least Made in China is better than Made in Vietnam, though Made in Italy stuff is still the luxury. BTW, I am just saying what I hear and I don't think I am discriminating against Vietnam, and I do think some keycaps from Vietnam look soooo good........)

Titanium Keyboard kits are much much more expensive. They are like about $1000-2000 even from Asian countries. The good thing about them is you can always get unique design with your own taste. I mean you can ask the designer to even make it shinier than a Corsair.... But titanum is a good metal and pricey than silver anyway, so many Koreans are buying them. They are mainly from China and Koreans start to buy them from China.
wat

where are these titanium keyboards lol
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: dblack on Mon, 30 October 2017, 09:39:07
$400? its no wonder manufacturing is dead in north america. good luck.
It is about the same for all the TKL keyboard. Take a look at those expensive keycaps, they are expensive! Even keycaps from Vietnam like JellyKey is pricey too. (People used to think Made in China stuff were cheap, but now people are thinking that at least Made in China is better than Made in Vietnam, though Made in Italy stuff is still the luxury. BTW, I am just saying what I hear and I don't think I am discriminating against Vietnam, and I do think some keycaps from Vietnam look soooo good........)

Titanium Keyboard kits are much much more expensive. They are like about $1000-2000 even from Asian countries. The good thing about them is you can always get unique design with your own taste. I mean you can ask the designer to even make it shinier than a Corsair.... But titanum is a good metal and pricey than silver anyway, so many Koreans are buying them. They are mainly from China and Koreans start to buy them from China.
wat

where are these titanium keyboards lol

on ur spaceship
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Mon, 30 October 2017, 17:49:47
Hey everyone!

I've received quotes for the PCB. I will be using the TX87 PCB, which uses Jigon as a mapping tool/firmware.

I'm also waiting to hear back from my local manufacturer to see if they can produce the brass plates, but if they can not they will refer me to another local manufacturer that can.

In the coming week I'll be building the prototype with a V1 plate and will make sure to take plenty of pictures of the process.

Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: clappingcactus on Mon, 30 October 2017, 22:08:17
Excited to see pics! :)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:41:32
Is there no other option for TKL PCB's besides the Jigon based ones? I would love for some QMK
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 01 November 2017, 15:49:21
Is there no other option for TKL PCB's besides the Jigon based ones? I would love for some QMK

At current, not anything easily available.

Snowpro exists, but it virtually impossible to get outside of Korea. I'm pretty sure that it's not QMK, either.

I've heard rumors that there is a QMK A.87 PCB in the works, but it's still a ways off.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Wed, 01 November 2017, 17:43:28
Is there no other option for TKL PCB's besides the Jigon based ones? I would love for some QMK

At current, not anything easily available.

Snowpro exists, but it virtually impossible to get outside of Korea. I'm pretty sure that it's not QMK, either.

I've heard rumors that there is a QMK A.87 PCB in the works, but it's still a ways off.

Basically I'm not in a position to have my own pcbs manufactured, so QMK is off the table unless someone is willing to port QMK to the TX87 pcb.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DreLLin on Wed, 01 November 2017, 20:33:49
Is there no other option for TKL PCB's besides the Jigon based ones? I would love for some QMK

There is a TMK fork for L3 PCBs https://github.com/xauser/tmk_keyboard/tree/xauser
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: poolside on Thu, 02 November 2017, 19:01:35
Will the V1 plates be compatible with the V2 ones?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 19:07:42
Will the V1 plates be compatible with the V2 ones?

Yes, they will.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 02 November 2017, 19:12:45
Hey 27, v2 looks great!

I have a v1 but was not part of the original GB. Any chance of a PCB and plate being offered separately? I've been itching to get a brass plate I'm this thing.

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Just quoting myself as I don't think my question was seen...
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Thu, 02 November 2017, 19:15:39
Hey 27, v2 looks great!

I have a v1 but was not part of the original GB. Any chance of a PCB and plate being offered separately? I've been itching to get a brass plate I'm this thing.

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Just quoting myself as I don't think my question was seen...


I'm not sure if I'll be able to offer individual parts due to that increasing the amount of sorting, packaging, and shipping that would be required.  I'll have a better idea at GB launch.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Fri, 03 November 2017, 20:07:35
Better pictures will come in the next couple of days!

(https://i.imgur.com/y4ddNDp.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: idlemao on Sat, 04 November 2017, 18:33:05
Better pictures will come in the next couple of days!

Now I want this even more. But now I'm conflicted between the blue or the silver here, which looks so great with the GMK 9009 I'm getting soon.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 04 November 2017, 20:13:46
Better pictures will come in the next couple of days!

Now I want this even more. But now I'm conflicted between the blue or the silver here, which looks so great with the GMK 9009 I'm getting soon.

9009 goes with everything
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Photekq on Sun, 05 November 2017, 10:21:52
Mod Edit: Removed offensive post; user has been warned
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: bbmathlvr on Sun, 05 November 2017, 17:17:36
This looks really good. Fingers crossed that this can be my first quality custom MX board  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: clappingcactus on Sun, 05 November 2017, 20:29:13
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What the **** is this ****ty post?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Slopes on Mon, 06 November 2017, 07:01:23
You had piqued my interest until I saw the price and then the raffle completely killed any interest I did have.

you're telling me you don't want to spend 400USD on a keyboard case? you're crazy.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 06 November 2017, 07:45:04
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What the **** is this ****ty post?

(https://scontent-sea1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s480x480/e15/20589580_328033354309576_8943216813399867392_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=MTU3NTU2MzU0NjM2MjkzMzE5Ng%3D%3D.2)
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: edsucks on Mon, 06 November 2017, 10:36:31
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What the **** is this ****ty post?

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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 06 November 2017, 11:23:05
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What the **** is this ****ty post?

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Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Mon, 06 November 2017, 13:35:44
Bringing it back on topic.

(https://i.imgur.com/40Hj2Gn.jpg)


I'm just putting together the final details, GB thread should be up tonight, tomorrow at latest.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: avid on Mon, 06 November 2017, 13:36:55
Wow, love that color. Is that silver or grey?
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Mon, 06 November 2017, 13:37:29
Wow, love that color. Is that silver or grey?

That's silver, grey won't be offered for this run.
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: Koobaczech on Mon, 06 November 2017, 14:05:43
GL with your buy sir! I'm still in for a V1 btw ;]
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Mon, 06 November 2017, 17:11:31
GB thread is awaiting approval  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Mech27-TKLv2 | Made in Canada
Post by: 27 on Mon, 06 November 2017, 17:33:31
GB is live!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92451