finish the work thatTrumpReagan started in destroying the republican party.
It's Alabama, so whichever one of those guys is more racist will win.
This is what the southern strategy looks like one generation later.
Personally I'm going to enjoy watching Roy Moore finish the work that Trump started in destroying the republican party.
Lay in your bed, *****es!
I actually pretty amazed an exposed pedo is still running.... and winning. People really are stupid. Remember when a weird scream was enough to ruin your career? Trump really set a standard for scumbagas and illegal behavior to be accepted.
It's Alabama, so whichever one of those guys is more racist will win.
This is what the southern strategy looks like one generation later.
Personally I'm going to enjoy watching Roy Moore finish the work that Trump started in destroying the republican party.
Lay in your bed, *****es!
This is the first thing that pops up in my mind when I hear "Alabama" ...
I'm not sure that negatively stereotyping Alabama and its constituents is helpful discourse. I wonder why it's okay to broad-brush certain groups of people when it's unacceptable, and at times criminal to generalize about others.
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
What, other than Roy Moore? Here's a fresh one: http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
And do your own research, troll.
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
What, other than Roy Moore? Here's a fresh one: http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
And do your own research, troll.
Roy Moore is but one person. And "environmental racism" is nothing but ambiguity straight out of the left wing playbook. You have yet to show the public any credible evidence to back up your claim. And I know why - it's false! The real "retard" is you, not the population of another state! Hahahahaha!
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Spent some time in Bama, it's basically another country. Most of the people outside of the city areas are completely ****ed mutants with weird grey skin, crinkled overbite jaws, and they speak some language that seems to be a cross between broken English and the noises a dog makes when it's sleeping. Maybe there's something in the water down there...
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Spent some time in Bama, it's basically another country. Most of the people outside of the city areas are completely ****ed mutants with weird grey skin, crinkled overbite jaws, and they speak some language that seems to be a cross between broken English and the noises a dog makes when it's sleeping. Maybe there's something in the water down there...
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Spent some time in Bama, it's basically another country. Most of the people outside of the city areas are completely ****ed mutants with weird grey skin, crinkled overbite jaws, and they speak some language that seems to be a cross between broken English and the noises a dog makes when it's sleeping. Maybe there's something in the water down there...
I heard it's only the low income hick communities which 'behave' different.
But overall, if you go to any low income communities ANYWHERE, all these people have educational gaps behind their less optimal social, economic, or political choices.
Doesn't make them bad people, but they are not programmed for the same environment. They're programmed to survive where they are.
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
What, other than Roy Moore? Here's a fresh one: http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
And do your own research, troll.
Roy Moore is but one person. And "environmental racism" is nothing but ambiguity straight out of the left wing playbook. You have yet to show the public any credible evidence to back up your claim. And I know why - it's false! The real "retard" is you, not the population of another state! Hahahahaha!
Ignoring facts, right out of the right wing playbook. CHECK AND MATE
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
Spent some time in Bama, it's basically another country. Most of the people outside of the city areas are completely ****ed mutants with weird grey skin, crinkled overbite jaws, and they speak some language that seems to be a cross between broken English and the noises a dog makes when it's sleeping. Maybe there's something in the water down there...
I heard it's only the low income hick communities which 'behave' different.
But overall, if you go to any low income communities ANYWHERE, all these people have educational gaps behind their less optimal social, economic, or political choices.
Doesn't make them bad people, but they are not programmed for the same environment. They're programmed to survive where they are.
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
What, other than Roy Moore? Here's a fresh one: http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
And do your own research, troll.
Roy Moore is but one person. And "environmental racism" is nothing but ambiguity straight out of the left wing playbook. You have yet to show the public any credible evidence to back up your claim. And I know why - it's false! The real "retard" is you, not the population of another state! Hahahahaha!
Ignoring facts, right out of the right wing playbook. CHECK AND MATE
I'm not ignoring as many facts as you are. And, by the way, if you disagree with anything I say, you're a racist! GET WINDOWS 98!
Stereotypes aside - It is a fact Alabama is about 85% retards. Just look at their sports fans, you expect those animals NOT to vote for a racist pedophile?
Do you have any scientific evidence to back that up? How do you know that the people of Alabama are any less intelligent than the people where you live?
What, other than Roy Moore? Here's a fresh one: http://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
And do your own research, troll.
Roy Moore is but one person. And "environmental racism" is nothing but ambiguity straight out of the left wing playbook. You have yet to show the public any credible evidence to back up your claim. And I know why - it's false! The real "retard" is you, not the population of another state! Hahahahaha!
Ignoring facts, right out of the right wing playbook. CHECK AND MATE
I'm not ignoring as many facts as you are. And, by the way, if you disagree with anything I say, you're a racist! GET WINDOWS 98!
BUSH DID 9/11 ROCKET SHIPS
You're right, I'm sorry. Roy Moore is a perfectly respectable candidate, even though he was removed from the bench twice for ignoring the law. The people who send him to Washington will surely be doing the nation a great service, and not simply electing a deeply flawed man because he attacks the right groups (homosexuals and mexicans). /sBlaming all the people of Alabama for Moore is like blaming all of the people of the US for Trump.
Blaming all the people of Alabama for Moore is like blaming all of the people of the US for Trump.
Blaming all the people of Alabama for Moore is like blaming all of the people of the US for Trump.
Unfortunately, with a representative form of government, the representatives ARE the de facto composite of the people.
Blaming all the people of Alabama for Moore is like blaming all of the people of the US for Trump.
Unfortunately, with a representative form of government, the representatives ARE the de facto composite of the people.
I think you're missing the point. If you don't feel responsible for POTUS 45, then how can you hold kurplop responsible for Moore?
Although, in my line of work, I also interact with several people outside the US, especially Canada and France. And they pretty much do blame us all. I'd say I voted against, and they'd be like, "so? have you been out marching in the streets?"
We'll see what happens tomorrow. Moore won his primary by a 5 point margin, and AL is a very red state. If he wins in a landslide, it will not be good for my impression of Alabama.
Low effort. You really going to try and trigger people with 2016 catchphrases? You need to up your game.
Low effort. You really going to try and trigger people with 2016 catchphrases? You need to up your game.
I'm triggered.
While Moore's alleged behavior fits within my definition of creepy, technically I don't think it is pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined as a disorder where an adult or older adolescent has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. My recollection is that the youngest girl he approached was 14 years old. Masher may be a better word for describing his alleged behavior; made especially suspect considering his age disparity with the subjects who came forward.
While Moore's alleged behavior fits within my definition of creepy, technically I don't think it is pedophilia. Pedophilia is defined as a disorder where an adult or older adolescent has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. My recollection is that the youngest girl he approached was 14 years old. Masher may be a better word for describing his alleged behavior; made especially suspect considering his age disparity with the subjects who came forward.
There is a significant set of behaviors we typically do not discuss.. this problem will never be solved until it enters discussion.
I'm afraid most people are simply not brave enough to discuss it.
Woah there, little fella! Are you projecting again? Last I checked Trump won the election masterfully, and you're still spreading your venom about it like you're triggered or something.
I think a lot of the hostility in this topic would be resolved if certain posters stopped drinking soy milk and got their T levels checked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zGKBes6.jpg)
Woah there, little fella! Are you projecting again? Last I checked Trump won the election masterfully, and you're still spreading your venom about it like you're triggered or something.
I think a lot of the hostility in this topic would be resolved if certain posters stopped drinking soy milk and got their T levels checked.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zGKBes6.jpg)
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Proud of you, Alabama. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/12/alabama-senate-election-doug-jones-defeats-roy-moore-fox-news-projects.html)
Proud of you, Alabama. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/12/alabama-senate-election-doug-jones-defeats-roy-moore-fox-news-projects.html)
which one was the racist one, and did he lose. ?
Welcome to the 20th century Alabama
Everyone knows Trump supporters that are not involved with politics are either retarded or trolls, you seem to fall into the latter category. People who get off acting like he's king **** just to piss people off, just like all those ironic 4chan threads that played a big part in getting him elected in the first place.You have made low self-awareness into an art form. Everything you have written in this topic has been so girly.
About as edgy as saying the holocaust didn't happen or 9/11 was an inside job. Trying a more creative way to troll that doesn't actively **** you up the ass at the same time.
"Haha guys, check out this fire I started lol look it's on my pant leg now lol haha long as those other guys still get burned this is still hilarious" - Trump supporters, probably
so ridiculous
can't figure out if he's a troll or not
deep-seated fear is being covering upThis is exactly how chicks argue. It's almost like I knew in advance (testosterone post) that you have soy tits. You are terrified of being mocked.
This is exactly how chicks argue. It's almost like I knew in advance (testosterone post) that you have soy tits. You are terrified of being mocked.
DON'T BECOME A SOY BOY:thumb:
90% of GH'ers are Soyboy'sI think you're absolutely right. Whenever I see pictures from meetups there's an abundance of soy tits, weak chins and cargo shorts.
Whenever I see pictures from meetups there's an abundance of soy tits, weak chins and cargo shorts.
post a pic of yourself, i'll bet you look like a *****.Has that ever worked for you?
post a pic of yourself, i'll bet you look like a *****.Has that ever worked for you?
One more for good measure?Show Image(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12545/production/_99177057_jones_976reu.jpg)
Doug Jones demographics. Low T. Elderly whales. Poof goes their pensions when GZ is in charge.
weak chins
You have to be really autistic to not figure out that I was mocking parts of the Jones voter demographics. I mean, they didn't gather every single voter in that picture in the first place.One more for good measure?Show Image(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/12545/production/_99177057_jones_976reu.jpg)
Doug Jones demographics. Low T. Elderly whales. Poof goes their pensions when GZ is in charge.
Yeahhhh, I think you need to check the poll demographics... Only 30% of white voters voted for Jones. 96% of black people voted for Jones. You should probably change your twisted perceptions about who is who's targeted and realistic demographics.
I guess you think that everyone on 4chan and /r/T_D are ****ing bodybuilders, huh?
Wow, this thread sure has blossomed! Keep up the good work! Which candidate did each of you prefer, Jones or Moore?
> Trump supporter accuses someone of being autisticAnother great contribution to this topic! "I'm not autistic because of *circular reasoning*". Really proving a point there, buddy. :thumb:
L U L
This is a fascinating read:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250179459/ref=abs_brd_tag_dp?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1250179459/ref=abs_brd_tag_dp?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
So your opposition to Trump is based on psychological assessments, now? Sounds legit.
I don't mean to lecture you guys on psychology, as you're all clearly experts on the topic, but you really should cut down on the heavy handed language. It's an obvious manifestation of your struggle to cope with real world events contradicting your most valued beliefs. You think you're being reasonable, but to people who aren't as personally invested in those same beliefs, it's embarrassingly transparent. The degree to which you insist on your beliefs with hyperbole, is the degree to which you know you're wrong, but unwilling to accept it.
Go ahead and tell us all about how Trump is a sociopath, and he definitely only became the President to exploit this country to make himself rich. If it helps, you can pretend we're all unaware of the fact that you're projecting. Your preoccupation with Donald Trump is not a reflection of your impotence! :))
When I post links to articles, books, essays, etc, they are always documents that I myself have read and evaluated seriously for accuracy and relevance. My impression is that many of the responses and replies that are generated are "automatic" or impulsive, without having read and understood the documents in question, and do not come from positions of consideration and fact, but rather are emotional impulses from people who have not taken the effort to comprehend what was really expressed.It's rational to automatically reject it. Trying to asses public figures without actually having access to them is a fool's errand. You just end up projecting onto them, which is why it makes professionals who contribute to books like this look incredibly bad. They, of all people, should know better. A really good example of this is Sam Harris' podcasts about Trump. He reads into Trump's use of language and more, but never even considers that his use of language may be deliberate (or deceptive) as opposed to a window into his state of mind. That possibility should be blatantly obvious, but it never occurs to him. You would learn a lot more from reading "Without Conscience" instead.
Just for example, here is a partial page from the book that I referenced above:
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/zhEBFAJ.png)
That looks similar to:The book I mentioned doesn't go into serial murderers, but it's a fascinating book because it's filled with the personal anecdotes of the writer. He used to work with prisoners. It's pretty illuminating and I imagine the knowledge in that book would be pretty helpful if you get entangled with someone that might be a psychopath.
https://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killers-Method-Madness-Monsters/dp/0425196402 (https://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killers-Method-Madness-Monsters/dp/0425196402)
which a co-worker loaned to me and I read a few months ago.
The spectrum of abnormal psychology is quite wide.
I am quite curious to know: What it is about Trump that is attractive to you?
At first I didn't know if Acerk was a troll. Now I am convinced he HAS to be. That **** is pulled directly from stormfront. Nobody being serious would post that at geekhack.That's so girly.
At first I didn't know if Acerk was a troll.
That looks similar to:The book I mentioned doesn't go into serial murderers, but it's a fascinating book because it's filled with the personal anecdotes of the writer. He used to work with prisoners. It's pretty illuminating and I imagine the knowledge in that book would be pretty helpful if you get entangled with someone that might be a psychopath.
https://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killers-Method-Madness-Monsters/dp/0425196402 (https://www.amazon.com/Serial-Killers-Method-Madness-Monsters/dp/0425196402)
which a co-worker loaned to me and I read a few months ago.
The spectrum of abnormal psychology is quite wide.
I am quite curious to know: What it is about Trump that is attractive to you?
The thing I appreciate the most about Trump, is his willingness to face political storms in order to do what is necessary. Most people can't appreciate the mental fortitude you need to tell inconvenient truths that large sections of society depend on being unspoken for their livelihood (welfare, military contracts, government contracts, regulatory protection, public employment, social services). When people tell me they dislike Trump, I may think less of their intellectual abilities, but if they can't even think of one positive thing to say about his character, then I know they are fundamentally untrustworthy. People who live by moral convictions will be familiar with the fallout that comes from doing so in a nihilistic culture.
Donald Trump is incredibly brave. It should serve as a civilizational omen that he is so hated. By the time a great civilization collapses, the values people held have inverted;
- Bravery => Meekness
- Boldness => Appeasement (bread and circuses)
- Sexual prudence => Normalizing deviant sexual behavior
- Virtue => Flattery/vanity
- In-group preference => Out-group preference
- Aspiration => Apathy
- Man-oriented => Woman-oriented
You don't have to trust me about that. The United States have around 210 trillion dollars in unfunded liabilities, which amounts to around 1.5 million dollars per taxpayer, and there are similar financial situations throughout Europe. That would be unmanageable even without an aging population. Older generations are consuming public services that they never paid for, despite inheriting booming economies, asking their children to pay for them in contracting economies where they have terrible job security. This doesn't even take into account that the next generations are likely to be less productive, as the Welfare state is paying people with Employment-Resistant Personality traits to have more children, and taxing productive people, so they have fewer.
If you add immigration to this, it looks even worse for most of Europe. Immigrants from Africe, the Middle-East and South-America consume welfare services disproportionately, pay less taxes than the host population and have more children. European politicians believed immigration would alleviate the burden of having an aging population below replacement rate, by supplying more taxpayers. However, immigration in total has been a net cost.
Then you can add in the fact that populations with more diversity, have less trust and more crime. It turns out that having different ethnic groups in close proximity leads to wars (the Middle-East, Southeast Europe). This might explain why the generation born after the 2000's is the most conservative generation since the second world war. By coming in contact with more people from different ethnic backgrounds, they are being programmed to have a higher in-group preference and low disgust tolerance.
I was engaged for a bit, but when he referred to that thin-skinned chicken**** as "brave" I knew that his ideas were content-free.So you weren't really genuine when you asked me about what I liked about him. You aren't really in a position to call my ideas content free, after I've written a lengthy explanation of my views relating to many facts for you, and you've provided nothing so far. Clutching your pearls is not an argument, neither is "X sounds similar to what Y says, and Y is shameful, so you must disregard X." You really aren't getting it. This is the Dunning Kruger effect. In this entire thread you guys only provide posturing, and yet you are certain you're right, which suggests that's what persuades you. You believe you can think, which is odd because you have no evidence for it. When have you done it? My initial reaction was right. You guys are low T, which is why you reflexively reject opinions that may lead to conflict and disapproval - no surprise as you're so vocal about your disapproval of me and Trump, but never actual facts or arguments.
Trump is one of the most cowardly bullies that the world has ever seen.
(3) the rise of fundamentalist religionwait, you're talking about Christianity and not Islam here? :thinking:
(3) the rise of fundamentalist religionwait, you're talking about Christianity and not Islam here? :thinking:
Christianity and not Islam ?
I see in your responses and statements mostly opinions and emotion rather than "facts"I appreciated that you asked me what I like about Trump. It seemed sincere and it was a nice change of pace that someone asked a question out of curiosity. However, after giving you a well thought out explanation mostly for your benefit, which you flippantly disregarded, I don't feel obligated to be nice and ask questions about your post. It's just boring. I've heard it before. I don't even know if you truly believe it, or if you've been conditioned to say it because you've seen the negative repercussions that can come from slaying sacred cows.
As a lifelong professional problem-solver, I recognized long ago that since people can only formulate and achieve solutions to problems after they agree on what the problems are, identifying the nature of problems and getting that agreement is usually the biggest hurdle.
Personally, I see the 3 biggest problems facing the human race today as, in order: (1) income inequality, (2) global warming, and (3) the rise of fundamentalist religion. In my opinion, Trump, and people like him (the political "right" in general) are steering our society in precisely the wrong direction on all 3 counts, with their feet down hard on the accelerator pedal.
Are you the kind of person who would stop by the grocery store because you are out of tooth paste, when you're on your way to the hospital after being stabbed?Why not both?(3) the rise of fundamentalist religionwait, you're talking about Christianity and not Islam here? :thinking:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6rZ8g8R.jpg)
Are you the kind of person who would stop by the grocery store because you are out of tooth paste, when you're on your way to the hospital after being stabbed?Why not both?(3) the rise of fundamentalist religionwait, you're talking about Christianity and not Islam here? :thinking:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6rZ8g8R.jpg)
You deflect because you know answering my question shows you're wrong. It's easy to pretend to be heroic by criticizing Christians, as there are no consequences. Kind of like how feminists complain about sexual assault on campuses, because that's where women are safest from sexual assault.
If you have a dangerous problem and an annoying problem, you don't spend an equal amount of time fixing both. You fix the dangerous problem first. If you're not really doing anything about Islam, but you spend a lot of time talking about your issues with Christianity, then you don't have a problem with fundamentalism. You just have something against Christians and you're lying about it.
(That was a bit mean spirited, so I edited it)
I was referring to any and all intolerant fundamentalist orthodoxies.but you specifically pointed trump as a propagator of said orthodoxy. as far as i'm aware trump is not responsible for the ravaging of europe by extremist muslims, which started long before he ever came to power.
I have spent a lot of time in the past addressing my issues with Christianity, but now usually avoid it. The reason I have talked about my issues with Christianity in the past is because I grew up in an evangelical Christian household and personally saw and felt the damage it caused not only to me, but also to others who didn't conform to the evangelical life as they described it, while these same groups protect their own who are guilty of things far worse than the small issues they drove others away for.if it's not too personal, this would make an excellent separate thread
but you specifically pointed trump as a propagator of said orthodoxy.
if you were talking about how trump is the driving force behind the rise of fundamentalist religious ideologies in the USA
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.All emotion and opinion.
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.All emotion and opinion.
Not gonna get convinced by adjectives when you clearly, still, don't know why people support Trump. You're in an echo chamber.
but you specifically pointed trump as a propagator of said orthodoxy.
if you were talking about how trump is the driving force behind the rise of fundamentalist religious ideologies in the USA
I don't know how you could possibly have come to such a twisted reading. My guess is that you are quite young.
The current rise of fundamentalist religion began in earnest in the 1970s, in my opinion in reaction to the "new enlightenment" that was happening as the "atomic age" was blossoming and science was maturing, challenging the existence of God in a significant way. That backwards shift was a major component of the wave that put Reagan in office, in my opinion.
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.
That's fair! I have no problem with that. Growing up with any kind of rigid fundamentalism can be pretty damaging. I'm sorry you went through that.
I mistook your post as you being reluctant to mention Islam, which is something I see a lot. Sorry about that!
I have spent a lot of time in the past addressing my issues with Christianity, but now usually avoid it. The reason I have talked about my issues with Christianity in the past is because I grew up in an evangelical Christian household and personally saw and felt the damage it caused not only to me, but also to others who didn't conform to the evangelical life as they described it, while these same groups protect their own who are guilty of things far worse than the small issues they drove others away for.
if it's not too personal, this would make an excellent separate thread
As a sincere though imperfect Christian, I will try to answer your question. The 2016 election left many people with poor alternatives. For years I would categorize myself as a conservative; partly because of many of the issues conservatives have traditionally stood for but also because of a reservation to radically change policies and institutions that may only require minor corrections. While I haven’t always voted for the Republican candidate, unless I have a compelling reason not to, I will, and while I had compelling reasons not to vote for Trump, I did. It may have been a poor choice but I’m still not convinced that it was the was not the lesser of two evils.
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.
It is human nature to be defensive when others mock and attack your most treasured beliefs.
the enlightened left .... fail to see the contradictions within their ranks.
While professing inclusiveness they condemn and vilify people of faith.
Today, minority leaders in congress are condemning a major tax reform for being partisan and rushed, while ignoring that their tactics were equally offensive a few years ago while passing the ACA.
It suggests there is plenty of hypocrisy and self interest on both sides of the aisle.
As a sincere though imperfect Christian, I will try to answer your question. The 2016 election left many people with poor alternatives. For years I would categorize myself as a conservative; partly because of many of the issues conservatives have traditionally stood for but also because of a reservation to radically change policies and institutions that may only require minor corrections. While I haven’t always voted for the Republican candidate, unless I have a compelling reason not to, I will, and while I had compelling reasons not to vote for Trump, I did. It may have been a poor choice but I’m still not convinced that it was the was not the lesser of two evils.
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.
Candidate Trump did not appeal to me for several reasons. I felt that his inexperience in the government workings and his incomplete knowledge of issues made him unprepared to be our chief executive. More than that , I didn’t like his style. His childish bullying and name-calling, his simplistic answers to complex questions, and his questionable history all provide a ready answer to why he was my last choice among the long list of candidates in the primary.
So why do I continue to support him? The reason is the same one I gave when asked why I supported former President Obama when he was in office: he is the President of the United States. I would have given the same courtesy to Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders if they were elected. I would have mourned and fought against some of their actions but I would not have protested their presidency. Would I have supported a Hitler? No, but I think it’s a stretch to compare Trump with Hitler (yes, I’ve read several comparisons). An unbiased observer could only characterize some of the Left’s actions after the election as, at best, poor sportsmanship and at worst, anarchy.
Those who are baffled by the evangelical right’s support for Trump need only look to themselves: It is human nature to be defensive when others mock and attack your most treasured beliefs. Christians have been labeled with all of the ists, isms, and phobic suffixes for decades and now the destruction of the planet has been added to the list. Accusations which may be true in some cases but they do not represent most believers. These ubiquitous insults and presuppositions have created a new scapegoat in popular culture, particularly from the Left. For this, the Christian Right has responded by siding with the candidate who has not attacked them or their values. I don’t see why that is so hard to understand.
What baffles me is how the enlightened left, with their professed goodness and superior reasoning, fail to see the contradictions within their ranks. While professing inclusiveness they condemn and vilify people of faith. Today, minority leaders in congress are condemning a major tax reform for being partisan and rushed, while ignoring that their tactics were equally offensive a few years ago while passing the ACA. It suggests there is plenty of hypocrisy and self interest on both sides of the aisle. At the same time I believe there is also good and that we should try to work within those constraints.
I think we would all benefit, certainly our country would, if we would try to find common ground rather than take the lazy route by only emphasizing the differences. With the world changing so rapidly, we’re faced with questions that didn’t exist in the recent past. It takes time for people to come around. This is true for both the conservatives who are slow to change and progressives who may not see the hazards of rapid policy change. Most US citizens want fairness, opportunities, reasonable freedom, and security. We rarely agree on how to get there but when we realize that we share more than we differ, we can find common ground to move forward.
Trump is the modern incarnation of a worshiper of the golden calf. Of all people, the ones that Jesus condemned weren't the gays or the foreigners or whatever makes today's conservative rage. No, he condemned the rich and those who flaunted piety for their own benefit. Trump is a walking, talking affront to the principles of Christianity.Ehh, that's pretty selective. It doesn't seem like you know much about Jesus Christ. Did you learn all this from your local Antifa group?
This is my last post in here. This whole thing is ****ing cancer. Acerk and every other troll account can get ****ed with a pipe wrench.I thought I was the one who was upset!? LOOOOOOOOL :))
As a sincere though imperfect Christian, I will try to answer your question. The 2016 election left many people with poor alternatives. For years I would categorize myself as a conservative; partly because of many of the issues conservatives have traditionally stood for but also because of a reservation to radically change policies and institutions that may only require minor corrections. While I haven’t always voted for the Republican candidate, unless I have a compelling reason not to, I will, and while I had compelling reasons not to vote for Trump, I did. It may have been a poor choice but I’m still not convinced that it was the was not the lesser of two evils.
Trump is a monumentally amoral, dishonest, and hateful person who should, by all rights, be condemned and scorned by all righteous people of all religions (along with all righteous persons who are not believers). Yet, somehow, and this, to me, is the single most baffling aspect of his rise to power, the "evangelical" wing of American "Christians" (and I feel compelled to put that word in quotes) supported, and continues to support him.
Candidate Trump did not appeal to me for several reasons. I felt that his inexperience in the government workings and his incomplete knowledge of issues made him unprepared to be our chief executive. More than that , I didn’t like his style. His childish bullying and name-calling, his simplistic answers to complex questions, and his questionable history all provide a ready answer to why he was my last choice among the long list of candidates in the primary.
So why do I continue to support him? The reason is the same one I gave when asked why I supported former President Obama when he was in office: he is the President of the United States. I would have given the same courtesy to Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders if they were elected. I would have mourned and fought against some of their actions but I would not have protested their presidency. Would I have supported a Hitler? No, but I think it’s a stretch to compare Trump with Hitler (yes, I’ve read several comparisons). An unbiased observer could only characterize some of the Left’s actions after the election as, at best, poor sportsmanship and at worst, anarchy.
Those who are baffled by the evangelical right’s support for Trump need only look to themselves: It is human nature to be defensive when others mock and attack your most treasured beliefs. Christians have been labeled with all of the ists, isms, and phobic suffixes for decades and now the destruction of the planet has been added to the list. Accusations which may be true in some cases but they do not represent most believers. These ubiquitous insults and presuppositions have created a new scapegoat in popular culture, particularly from the Left. For this, the Christian Right has responded by siding with the candidate who has not attacked them or their values. I don’t see why that is so hard to understand.
What baffles me is how the enlightened left, with their professed goodness and superior reasoning, fail to see the contradictions within their ranks. While professing inclusiveness they condemn and vilify people of faith. Today, minority leaders in congress are condemning a major tax reform for being partisan and rushed, while ignoring that their tactics were equally offensive a few years ago while passing the ACA. It suggests there is plenty of hypocrisy and self interest on both sides of the aisle. At the same time I believe there is also good and that we should try to work within those constraints.
I think we would all benefit, certainly our country would, if we would try to find common ground rather than take the lazy route by only emphasizing the differences. With the world changing so rapidly, we’re faced with questions that didn’t exist in the recent past. It takes time for people to come around. This is true for both the conservatives who are slow to change and progressives who may not see the hazards of rapid policy change. Most US citizens want fairness, opportunities, reasonable freedom, and security. We rarely agree on how to get there but when we realize that we share more than we differ, we can find common ground to move forward.
Christian?
Well kurplop, I've already outed myself as an elitist librul globalist cuck, so I may as well just let 'er rip, right? I'd better put on some gloves for this one...
Trump is the modern incarnation of a worshiper of the golden calf. Of all people, the ones that Jesus condemned weren't the gays or the foreigners or whatever makes today's conservative rage. No, he condemned the rich and those who flaunted piety for their own benefit. Trump is a walking, talking affront to the principles of Christianity.
I suppose Christians have always had a persecution complex. Even, apparently, when they make up the vast majority (~75%) of the population and control all three branches of government in DC as well as in all 50 states. :rolleyes: I don't think that's a good enough reason to throw their every principle out the window. Christ was humble, charitable, and forgiving, and he had no time for rich, pompous, bullies.
I grew up going to church school every frickin week and I earned the God and Country badge in Boy Scouts, I should know. I also know that if the church feels prosecuted, it isn't because "the left" just hates them. It's because for the last thousand years, the church has had to have been dragged forward kicking and screaming on every single social issue. Allowing commoners to read the scripture for themselves, antisemitism, recognizing women as equals, slavery, interracial marriage, not murdering homosexuals, and so on. That's the real reason.
And by the way, if a good Christian is looking for the lesser of two evils, the Clintons went to church more during Bill's term than any modern president except for Carter (also a D). Probably more than Trump has in his entire life. If that isn't a "Christian barometer", I don't know what is.
I'm supposed to excuse Evangelical Trump support because he didn't hurt their fefes? That kind of just assumes they're all basically unthinking children, doesn't it?
If you think this abomination of a process resembles the ACA in any way whatsoever, you have been watching the Fox propaganda network too much. The ACA took years, and is chock full of Republican amendments. Efforts to reach out were constant and repeatedly rejected. There's a lot of hypocrisy to go around in Washington, but it is so vastly slanted towards the Republicans it's not even a contest. As an example, when Ted Kenedy's seat was won by Scott Brown, Democrats ensured he was seated before the ACA vote. Did good old Mitch wait for Doug Jones to be able to vote this week? Of course not. Oh and remember when Republicans were so worried about the deficit? Haha, that was only when working to improve health care! Cut taxes for the wealthy? Pile it on, baby! Sex scandals? Democrats are ejected by their own party, Republicans circle the wagons. Who attacks the very idea of science? Who makes every effort to PREVENT people from voting? Who has stripped every consumer protection they could since taking office? On every front, the right is proving that they govern in bad faith.
With troubles like these, common ground would be great. As far as I'm concerned, it can't be had with one side sticking their fingers in their ears and insisting this obvious imbecile who can barely string a few words into a sentence is doing right by us. No. He's a wannabe dictator and I will fight against him with my last breath if I have to.
This is my last post in here. This whole thing is ****ing cancer. Acerk and every other troll account can get ****ed with a pipe wrench.
Did you learn all this from your local Antifa group?haha