but going in with no real expectations.
I do not think that snoke is dead...
I do not think that snoke is dead...
It was OK, not great. Better than FA though, I thought. The special effects were incredible maybe the best I've ever seen in a film. The plot was scattered and felt both rushed and laden with filler at the same time with less important scenes of impact. There were a few twists I didn't see coming which were appreciated.
I'd say 6.5/10
He's got to be the most realistic CGI character I've ever seen
Bullet point review:
* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit. I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that? Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment.
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it!
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing. Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life? Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants. ****ing brilliant from start to finish. So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more. Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it. Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing.
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love. Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me. Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed. And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair. And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed? Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.
Bullet point review:
* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit. I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that? Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment.
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it!
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing. Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life? Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants. ****ing brilliant from start to finish. So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more. Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it. Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing.
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love. Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me. Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed. And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair. And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed? Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.
I'm in agreement with pretty much all of this (seems to be the main consensus on reddit as well from what I was reading last week).
I will say though, reading a lot of negative thoughts on the movie kind of tainted my view of it at first. I saw it a second time this past weekend and really enjoyed it, quite a bit more than the first time. Sure there are a couple frustrating plot points, but it is a fun movie.
That said, it is a little strange to me that these new films don't appear to have a single cohesive story writing team. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like there are some plot points that develop in one film that are just ignored in the next by the new screenwriter/director.
The only thing I didn't like was Luke's interaction with Ren, meaning what forced Ren to go off the deep end. Even if it was just a fleeting moment for him, Luke doesn't seem like someone who easily would've gone for his lightsaber after a few minutes of mind-reading. We don't know yet what Ren will do in the next Episode, but so far it seems a bit stretched for Luke to grab his laser sword and then later on flee after failing him. Sure, Obi-wan and Yoda leave, but not for as long or as isolate as Luke did.
Otherwise, I loved the film. Loved the Snoke part, loved Hamill's performance, loved the Leia space scene, loved the casino bit. I'm still a bit unnerved that Disney wants to start over fresh (i.e., wants to focus on the universe rather than the Skywalkers so they can make $tar War$ films ad nauseam), but it seems a bit harsh with how they're going about it, at least to me. Sure, Star Wars always was about the money and merchandising, but at least give the Skywalkers a bit more dignity with their way out; it started with them, after all, and it wouldn't really feel like Star Wars without them.
He served his purpose and is gone. No need to cry over spilled Snoke.
Bullet point review:
* Didn't care for the Space Leia bit. I know she's force sensitive but come the **** on, it's deep space.
* WTF killing Akbar like that? Should have let him live, made him commander, and let him go down in glory kamikaze style instead of Laura Dern's purple haired random character.
* Boob creature with crazy milk chin Luke was top WTF moment.
* Island Luke was a little to emo whiny for my taste, blah blah suck it up, you are a damn Jedi, act like it!
* Rey and Kylo - every scene was ****ing amazing. Holy **** that co-op finisher in Snoke's chamber gave me an erection.
* Finn and Rose - uh, why not Finn and Poe, bros 4 life? Poe served no purpose being on the cruiser, should have snuck off with Finn for shenannigans w/ BB-8.
* Code breaker/casino/failed sabatoge mission - 30 minutes of filler the movie didn't need, but at the same time it was refreshing to see that sometimes these off the cuff heroic plans to foil the bad guys just plain fail.
* Luke and Kylo - HHHNNNNNGGGGGG...ok I'm spent get me some new pants. ****ing brilliant from start to finish. So many clues as to what's really going on once you know to look for them.
* Hux - shut the **** up *SLAM*
* Phasma - she and Boba Fett need to start a club for bad guys that could have been so much more. Such a cool character, but end the end she really served no purpose other than to personify Finn's fear of the First Order and his desire to break away from it. Lame ass death, deserved better.
* Porgs - Chewie should have eaten the damn thing.
* Yoda - ****ing around, cracking jokes, enjoying the afterlife, and back to the puppet that we all know and love. Excellent scene.
* Hyperspace kamikaze - ok, so something about that just bothers me. Like, most hyper-drive systems would probably have collision avoidance built into their systems so you wouldn't smash into **** while blasting your way thru space at ludicrous speed. And overriding that wouldn't be something as trivial as just point and shoot you ship from the command chair. And if it's that easy why are they building slow plodding bombers that get picked off by stray tie fighter blasts when they could be building ships loaded with bombs that they simply aim at a Destroyer and rip it a new one at lightspeed? Anyway, the scene was ****ing gorgeous, and you could hear a pin drop in the theater as everyone held their breath in the silence.
I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.
I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.
The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.
I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.
The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.
Oscar Isaac is at the top of the **** pile as far as Ster Werz actors go... Then prolly John Boyega, Kelly Tran and Jake Lloyd. Christensen is a close 4th though.
I fell asleep in the cinema during Rogue One which I put down to tiredness but it happened with Last Jedi this year as well. This isn't something that I do every time I go to the cinema never happened to me before. The thing that stands out to me is how flat the performances are I really don't like these new actors. Even Domhnall Gleeson who's generally quite good isn't really making much of an impression. The're all acting more wooden than Hayden Christensen.
The performances aren't that bad, damn. Hayden Christensen career is based on appearance on the USA/Canada kids show Goosebumps; He is terrible and to say any of the new trilogy POV actors are that bad is just ridiculous.
Oscar Isaac is at the top of the **** pile as far as Ster Werz actors go... Then prolly John Boyega, Kelly Tran and Jake Lloyd. Christensen is a close 4th though.
Is this some kind of bizarre other dimension, I re-watched Ep1-7 before seeing 8 and Nothing is worse than Jake Lloyd and Christensen, NOTHING. The performances are modeled off of what I assume are sexual predators and serial killers. I think you are confusing dialogue vs performances.
I keep seeing this "Ep 8 is the worst movie ever, worst actors ever, worst movie of SW, worst movie of 2017, worst year ever" And it is absolute abuse of the word "worst"; you guys know damn well this is worse stuff out there for SW and 2017
I need to rewatch it. Watched it only once so far.
I haven't seen the movie since last year...
I liked it well enough. The humor was pretty on point. Wasn't a huge fan of Snoke's uneventful death. What with some of the hints in the canon books, I thought he was a bigger deal. People have pointed out that the Emperor originally kind of came out of nowhere and died the next film, so I guess there's some precedence.Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.
I feel more complete...
I now know where blue milk comes from.
Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.
Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.
Kind of puts Kylo Ren's frustration into a different perspective when you figure that had he had to bring Rey to his master to prove himself worthy, but that doing so also could mean his own death should Rey decide to switch sides.
In one of the books, I think the Thrawn book, it hints that the Emperor fears something in the wild/unknown regions. Thus, he brings Thrawn on. I suppose I just missed what it was alluding to.I can't tell which book you are referring to... There was the "Thrawn trilogy", starting with "Heir to the Empire".
I liked it well enough. The humor was pretty on point. Wasn't a huge fan of Snoke's uneventful death. What with some of the hints in the canon books, I thought he was a bigger deal. People have pointed out that the Emperor originally kind of came out of nowhere and died the next film, so I guess there's some precedence.Syth have a pretty high turnover rate due to their Rule of Two, there can be only two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice, the only way to move up is to kill your master. If that were not enough, Masters are always looking for a more capable apprentice. Your only hope is to get good enough to kill your master before he finds an apprentice with more potential and without tipping him off that you are a danger to him. If you do manage to kill him, you get to go through the same dance with your own apprentice.
Kind of puts Kylo Ren's frustration into a different perspective when you figure that had he had to bring Rey to his master to prove himself worthy, but that doing so also could mean his own death should Rey decide to switch sides.
This is the Rule of Two: One Sith must contain all the power of the dark side. One Master must decide how that power should be used.
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion I gain Strength.
Through Strength I gain Power.
Through Power I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.
Hated it. Crap writing.
Luke - Hey, that's my old / fathers lightsaber, let me just throw it over my shoulder. // Lets see, I was the only person in the universe who saw good in my father before, but I get one inkling of my student / nephew leaning towards the dark side - yeah, I think I'll kill him. // I failed at running my own training academy, so I came here to die and gave up on the rest of the universe.
Saw a quote from Hamill where he said "I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision."
grr I always want to write Sith as Syth.
So not sure where "two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice" comes from.
I can't tell which book you are referring to... There was the "Thrawn trilogy", starting with "Heir to the Empire".
I can't tell which book you are referring to... There was the "Thrawn trilogy", starting with "Heir to the Empire".
I hesitate to use any of the older stuff when trying to see what Disney is trying to build, since they essentially banished it all to the mysterious Legends realm. Timothy Zahn wrote a new Thrawn novel that was released very recently:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thrawn_(novel)
I listened to the Audible narration on a couple of long trips, highly recommend the Audible version. Anyways, this is what I was referencing since Disney canon.
I hesitate to use any of the older stuff when trying to see what Disney is trying to build, since they essentially banished it all to the mysterious Legends realm. Timothy Zahn wrote a new Thrawn novel that was released very recently:Ah, OK. That went under my radar because I don't care much about the new canon.
grr I always want to write Sith as Syth.
So not sure where "two masters/lords and each can only have one apprentice" comes from.
Wookiepedia has more on the Rule of Two.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rule_of_Two
What I missed was that the Rule of Two ended with the death of Darth Sidious, so yes, Snoke could have had Rey and Ren as apprentices.
"Kylo Ren is not a Sith. He works under Supreme Leader Snoke, who is a powerful figure on the Dark Side of the Force."
If there were two, and two died, of course it wouldn't be in play. That's not to say that it ended. That's to say that the Sith ended. At least as far as we know.Personally, I have never liked the idea of it, it's such a flawed idea to begin with.