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Title: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 24 January 2018, 00:41:53
In a plate mounted keyboard, do holtites cause wobble compared to soldered switches, or does the plate keep them just as stable?
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Findecanor on Wed, 24 January 2018, 06:40:52
If it is a plate with a simple hole for each switch then it should be just as stable.
People make their own keyboards with that type of plate and no PCB at all.

If it is a multi-layout plate hole with wide plate hole for support of ANSI and ISO  and/or PCB-mounted stabilisers etc, then I am not so sure. I have not tried it. I think there could be some play side-to-side.
Holes enlarged on the vertical axis would be worse.

If your PCB supports PCB mounting pins and you use switches with those pins (a small plastic pin on each side of the  centre peg) then the switches would be even more stable.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: killyou on Thu, 25 January 2018, 09:57:05
I have holtites installed in Pok3r and everything is sturdy and stable.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Sup on Thu, 25 January 2018, 12:40:04
i mean if it's PCB Mounted switches i think there is no need to be scared for wobble. Not sure how it is with plate mounted switches.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 25 January 2018, 12:56:14
For the EFFORT of installing all those holtites..

You might as well buy 3 separate keyboards in different switches..



It's a serious pain in the butt to install,  and still yet moar hassel to swap switches later into the holtites.


The whole premise is preposterous..


DO NOT DO HOLTITES..
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: killyou on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:06:05
For the EFFORT of installing all those holtites..

You might as well buy 3 separate keyboards in different switches..



It's a serious pain in the butt to install,  and still yet moar hassel to swap switches later into the holtites.


The whole premise is preposterous..


DO NOT DO HOLTITES..


True if you know what you want. False if you don't know what you want and need a keyboard to be like a big switch tester to test ride various switches.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Sissy on Sat, 27 January 2018, 09:02:42
For the EFFORT of installing all those holtites..

You might as well buy 3 separate keyboards in different switches..



It's a serious pain in the butt to install,  and still yet moar hassel to swap switches later into the holtites.


The whole premise is preposterous..


DO NOT DO HOLTITES..

Doing Holtites isnt THAT bad. There isnt really a downside if you do it.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 27 January 2018, 13:07:57
I'm with TP4 on this, I don't really see a benefit to it unless you're really unsure. It's easier to just buy a second PCB/plate and build that as well.
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Kavik on Sat, 27 January 2018, 18:48:52
Thanks for the info, everyone. I am getting a spare PCB and plate for the board in question. I was thinking of making one of them hotswappable for fun.

Is it really that much of a pain to install them? I've heard it just varies PCB to PCB. Is it that they are hard enough to remove that it doesn't save much trouble over simply desoldering if necessary?
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 27 January 2018, 18:53:44
Thanks for the info, everyone. I am getting a spare PCB and plate for the board in question. I was thinking of making one of them hotswappable for fun.

Is it really that much of a pain to install them? I've heard it just varies PCB to PCB. Is it that they are hard enough to remove that it doesn't save much trouble over simply desoldering if necessary?

depends on the PCB

for some, it's easy, for others, not so much
Title: Re: Holtite Wobble?
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 27 January 2018, 19:25:19
Here is a list of PCBs (https://deskthority.net/wiki/Holtite) that have been tested with Holtite sockets.
See if your PCB is on there!

And BTW, the (original) ErgoDox is not listed there but I think Holtite sockets fits on it as well.