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Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Input Nirvana on Fri, 02 April 2010, 01:09:53

Weird little guy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Datamax-MORUW-Space-Saver-PS-2-Ergonomic-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ130377487971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item1e5b1a9663#ht_1711wt_1167

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: itlnstln on Fri, 02 April 2010, 07:38:05

The Enter key is a little tall.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 02 April 2010, 08:07:11

Did any of you all notice the placement of Ctrl and Caps-lock?

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: didjamatic on Fri, 02 April 2010, 08:54:37

And the back space/delete.  It's not a standard layout by any means, but HHKB people might like it.  Too bad it's missing a key cap.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: pfink on Fri, 02 April 2010, 10:49:59

Quote from: input nirvana;168812

Weird little guy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Datamax-MORUW-Space-Saver-PS-2-Ergonomic-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ130377487971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item1e5b1a9663#ht_1711wt_1167

I think the seller misidentified it, it looks like a Datalux:

http://www.datalux.com/keyboard_overview.asp

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Fri, 02 April 2010, 11:09:35

That's a Datalux moguc. I've got it in gray with the trackpad.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Input Nirvana on Fri, 02 April 2010, 11:20:48

Ahhhh...Data-LUX...

So how is it?

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Fri, 02 April 2010, 11:27:27

Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/DATALUX-MOGUC-KEYBOARD-WITH-GLIDEPOINT-TRACK-PAD_W0QQitemZ150417920453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item23059b51c5) another one, with all its caps and a glidepoint trackpad.  Only $10 ($20 with shipping).

Oops.  No longer available.  Somebody musta bought it....

>.>
<.<

Weird little board.  Guess I'll have to wait to get it to see if it's got MEI or ML switches.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Fri, 02 April 2010, 11:28:00

Gah.  Doublepost.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Fri, 02 April 2010, 12:02:33

Quote from: input nirvana;168903

Ahhhh...Data-LUX...

So how is it?

So-so. The keys are linear and the raised Enter key takes a little getting used to. It does the job of putting a full 100+ key keyboard in a tiny space, so I can't say anything overwhelmingly negative about it, as it serves a special purpose. It's an oddity that's worth collecting, if that's your thing.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: microsoft windows on Fri, 02 April 2010, 13:57:01

Quote from: Nonmouse;168907

Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/DATALUX-MOGUC-KEYBOARD-WITH-GLIDEPOINT-TRACK-PAD_W0QQitemZ150417920453QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item23059b51c5) another one, with all its caps and a glidepoint trackpad.  Only $10 ($20 with shipping).

Oops.  No longer available.  Somebody musta bought it....

>.>
<.<

Weird little board.  Guess I'll have to wait to get it to see if it's got MEI or ML switches.

I found some here (http://cgi.ebay.com/DATALUX-MOGUC-KEYBOARD-WITH-GLIDEPOINT-TRACK-PAD_W0QQitemZ110514924538QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item19bb33ebfa).

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Fri, 02 April 2010, 14:03:56

You'll have my review in a few weeks, I suppose.

Edit: we'll see, actually. Requirement for immediate payment means I can't pay. Asked seller for an accommodation.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Fri, 02 April 2010, 14:04:29

Quote from: microsoft windows;168952

I found some here (http://cgi.ebay.com/DATALUX-MOGUC-KEYBOARD-WITH-GLIDEPOINT-TRACK-PAD_W0QQitemZ110514924538QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item19bb33ebfa).

Same seller.  He must have a bunch and just be putting them up one or a few at a time- he put up this listing after I bought the one I linked.  There were some threads a few months ago for these boards at this price, but I don't know if it was the same seller.

Title: Ergonomic for strange values of Ergonomic.
Post by: sethstorm on Fri, 02 April 2010, 14:35:35

Quote from: input nirvana;168812

Weird little guy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Datamax-MORUW-Space-Saver-PS-2-Ergonomic-Keyboard_W0QQitemZ130377487971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCA_Mice_Trackballs?hash=item1e5b1a9663#ht_1711wt_1167

That layout just seems to be a bit painfully stacked.  2 rows up top is fine, an entire keyboard up above a keyboard just is a bit much.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Sat, 03 April 2010, 21:01:51

Hey guys, these go for $195 new and are still sold in modern USB versions.

http://www.datalux.com/keyboard_overview.asp

http://www.dataluxstore.com/category.sc;jsessionid=B00979EFB412884DC1B407BDB2A4CD24.qscstrfrnt01?categoryId=2

The board itself:
http://www.datalux.com/PDF/Tech_Drawings/Desk_Keyboard-Tech_Drawing.pdf

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 04 April 2010, 02:31:18

Are the keys even mechanical?

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Sun, 04 April 2010, 02:32:24

Quote from: ricercar;169422

Are the keys even mechanical?

The donut keys?  

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Sun, 04 April 2010, 10:16:41

It's been established, either earlier in this thread or in the previous correctly titled one, that they have some linear switch (MEI? something 3 letters with M)

I want it for the form factor, which is why I bought one. Expect a photographic breakdown.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Sun, 04 April 2010, 10:49:24

Quote from: webwit;169461

These boards have a bad reputation here because of the switches, but I haven't tried one.

Well, the price was right. I guess we'll see.

I normally dislike linear switches but I'm curious to see what I end up with. Additionally it seems the trackpad is connected in the same pass-through technique as an M5-2 trackball, and it should be detachable from the case (since the same little trackpad module has been sold on its own by the manufacturer, Cirque) so I could be able to get use out of that if not the whole keyboard.

Edit: yeah, to be clear, I got the black $10 one, not the one in this thread.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 04 April 2010, 18:39:00

Quote from: webwit;169461

These boards have a bad reputation here because of the switches, but I haven't tried one.

WHOA! What is THIS? A keyboard exists that webwit has not used? STOP THE PRESSES!

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Tue, 06 April 2010, 09:57:19

No turning back now...it's been shipped.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Tue, 06 April 2010, 10:19:21

It is a cute keyboard, but as I mentioned above it is designed for limited use in areas where space is a premium. The switches are linear, and have all the mushiness one would expect from that. I haven't been able to test out the glide-thingy as I lack serial ports on my current PCs.

The bottom line is that it looks cute alongside my other boards, is a great conversation piece, but isn't something you'd want to use for more than five minutes. Ever.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Tue, 06 April 2010, 10:43:40

Linear != Mushy.

So are they linear, or are they mushy?

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Tue, 06 April 2010, 11:00:39

They're definitely on the mushy side; at least, mine is. The internals don't seem to be well mounted, so pushing on a key with any force makes the circuit board flex slightly. The glidepoint on mine is also poorly installed and looks as if a good bump would make it pop right off.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Tue, 06 April 2010, 11:04:40

Quote from: Mercen_505;170044

They're definitely on the mushy side; at least, mine is. The internals don't seem to be well mounted, so pushing on a key with any force makes the circuit board flex slightly. The glidepoint on mine is also poorly installed and looks as if a good bump would make it pop right off.

(not sarcastic) Excellent, that confirms my thought that the trackpad is a completely dedicated unit just attached like an M5-2 trackball (sort of).

So, definitely linear switches, but on account of bad PCB flex the feel is also mushy? Sounds excellent... (yes, this one was sarcastic)

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Tue, 06 April 2010, 12:27:06

Quote from: Mercen_505;170044

They're definitely on the mushy side; at least, mine is. The internals don't seem to be well mounted, so pushing on a key with any force makes the circuit board flex slightly. The glidepoint on mine is also poorly installed and looks as if a good bump would make it pop right off.

Does yours have the MEI or the Cherry ML switches?

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Tue, 06 April 2010, 12:40:50

Quote

does yours have the mei or the cherry ml switches?

mei.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Tue, 06 April 2010, 12:50:24

Another good (http://cgi.ebay.com/SVG-90S-Datalux-Space-Saver-Keyboard-TIDUB-Working_W0QQitemZ170409674199QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27ad3545d7) deal- and he's got two!

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: itlnstln on Tue, 06 April 2010, 12:56:46

Good deal my ass.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Tue, 06 April 2010, 13:02:44

Quote from: itlnstln;170071

Good deal my ass.

Did I forget the[sarcasm][/sarcasm] codes again?  My bad...

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Tue, 06 April 2010, 13:07:14

Lmao.

Keep in mind I got mine for $10...

The payment on the Industrial Ms cleared. We'll see what I get...wish me luck.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Mercen_505 on Tue, 06 April 2010, 13:27:50

Sweet jeebus. I got mine for 10-12 USD. That's about what it's worth ;)

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: Nonmouse on Thu, 08 April 2010, 16:28:29

Quote from: Nonmouse;168907

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Weird little board.  Guess I'll have to wait to get it to see if it's got MEI or ML switches.
[/color]

Oh, poop.  MEI switches.

18mm spacing, BTW.  First impressions- without hooking it up (I'm lazy)- the keys are very heavy, compared to either my Cherry browns or blues.  There does seem to be a bit of a tactile bump about 2/3 of the way down- I don't know if it's actually the actuation point or not (see previous sentence); I'll prolly hook it up tomorrow and play with it for awhile.  It's small- really small.  About half the width of my MX-8113 or a Model M.  The layout's moderately weird, but I can see it working, once one gets used to it.  I can see it greatly reducing hand motion- the numpad and Fn keys (and glidepoint) just require a slight stretch of my hands to reach, much less motion than most boards.

I'll put up a more complete review after I'vr used it for a bit.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Mon, 12 April 2010, 14:11:57

The MOGUC is here.

Title: Datamax Moruw
Post by: kishy on Mon, 12 April 2010, 18:19:18

It's AT/XT switchable - jumper is under the big 1 key.

There are a whole whack of diodes under the spacebar and the CTRL key (capslock on newer layouts...)

I plan to nkey test this eventually. Feel is awful but it's an interesting platform for mods.

Nonstandard size keys are Cherry MX compatible - I tested, they fit the blue MX switch ripster sent me.

Keyboard does not want to work on a USB converter but does function on my 286.