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geekhack Community => Off Topic => Topic started by: suicidal_orange on Fri, 26 January 2018, 04:45:59
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I've been wondering for a while how the vegans who cite saving the world as a reason for their choice do the gardening required to grow their own vegetables. This was highlighted when recently I had to do some digging and couldn't help cutting up worms (no, both halves don't always wiggle away) and disturbing surprisingly fat looking grubs of some kind, other times of the year there would no doubt be ant nests and who knows what else down there...
Are there any vegan gardeners here and if so how do you balance not harming any living thing with doing gardening required to survive?
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Veganism is not a rigid definition.
Some feminists are ok with wearing high heels
Some feminists think high-heels are a slave tool which serve male masters..
Veganism means different things to different people.
There's no clear dividing line. Very few people are upset over microbes and micro-organism.
From my knowledge, generally vegan farming is Primarily aimed to break reliance on Animal Agriculture Outputs.
For example, the Majority of topsoil sold to consumers may be made on / near animal farms, where dead / diseased carcasses are buried to enrich the dirt biome.
Vegan farming aims to NOT use such outputs..
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afaik vegan refers to eating and diet specifically, not wanting to harm living creatures is a different ideology altogether.
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afaik vegan refers to eating and diet specifically, not wanting to harm living creatures is a different ideology altogether.
there are some vegans who don't want to harm any living thing, that's part of how veganism originated
as far as i'm aware most vegans live in cities, where gardening isn't as much of a thought
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i wasnt aware there was not vegan gardening, can i grow meat? meat garden?
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Very few people are upset over microbes and micro-organism.
Exactly, and this is what I'm struggling to get my head round on a philosophical level where I like the idea of not harming any living thing.
The thing is I don't see any difference between a cow and a worm - both are totally oriented to doing whatever it takes to survive and are capable of responding to external stimuli, unlike plants which just grow where they are and hope for the best. Both are clearly inferior to humans but it's not considered a problem to end five worm lives to grow a carrot which will feed one person, but it is a problem to end one cow life which would feed (I don't know so I'll guess) twenty people, as well as provide leather for their shoes.
If all life is equal and to be respected surely the cow is the lesser 'crime'.
afaik vegan refers to eating and diet specifically, not wanting to harm living creatures is a different ideology altogether.
there are some vegans who don't want to harm any living thing, that's part of how veganism originated
as far as i'm aware most vegans live in cities, where gardening isn't as much of a thought
You can get vegan certified cosmetics (no animal ingredients, no animal testing) and you shouldn't see a vegan wearing leather - it's more than a diet though that's where it's most likely to come up. You probably have a point that most pass the buck to the producer rather than growing their own food, that's a good way of avoiding thinking about it...
i wasnt aware there was not vegan gardening, can i grow meat? meat garden?
Um... No?
Actually you could tie chickens to poles by their feet and run conveyor belts of grain under them which wouldn't be far off a chicken tree and not much worse than keeping them inside in a tiny cag but that's definitely not vegan :))
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Very few people are upset over microbes and micro-organism.
Exactly, and this is what I'm struggling to get my head round on a philosophical level where I like the idea of not harming any living thing.
The thing is I don't see any difference between a cow and a worm - both are totally oriented to doing whatever it takes to survive and are capable of responding to external stimuli, unlike plants which just grow where they are and hope for the best. Both are clearly inferior to humans but it's not considered a problem to end five worm lives to grow a carrot which will feed one person, but it is a problem to end one cow life which would feed (I don't know so I'll guess) twenty people, as well as provide leather for their shoes.
If all life is equal and to be respected surely the cow is the lesser 'crime'.
It's not possible to avoid mass/ energy conversion to sustain LIFE.
Animal-rights activism is an impractical reason for veganism.
No matter what happens, there will come a time, when we have to make a less than moral decision to SAVE-ourselves.
Be it vs the cows, or the plankton, or aliens.. So, every holier-than-thou mindset we take TODAY, is merely a form of excess frivolity..
But what remains ABSOLUTELY firm, is that animal agriculture is destroying HUMAN BODIES, as it's destroying the natural distribution of earth-surface life forms.
The personal cost is diabetes/ heart disease/ cancer/ stroke.
The Earth-Cost is, if the BEES die, We die...
The notion that All life is Equal is ridiculous.. we can not possibly have the processing power to balance such a function.
AT BEST, we can say, All life is Balanced.. We have lots of people and lots of cows, and if we keep turning the PLANTS into cows, which is the least efficient way to feed the PEOPLE... ALL THE PEOPLE will STARVE...
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Why did the vegan cross the road?
To tell someone he was a vegan.
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Why did the vegan cross the road?
To tell someone he was a vegan.
LIES..
Tp4 only ever outsides to tellz bout dat ERGODOX
Haz never told a single AFK person that am 100% veggies.
They wouldn't understand..