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geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: beamingrobot on Fri, 26 January 2018, 23:53:29
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Hi all,
With the KIRA60 buy in the final stages (shipping soon!) here's something coming up from thesiscamper x monokei
GB should begin next week (week of 26th Feb)
Photos:
(https://i.imgur.com/jAkmi9q.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WNaxQbZ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/k3vQXeO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MmCTkEe.jpg)
Special thanks to keikun17 for the photos.
Some questions:
1. Weight:
Stars + sun or KIRA?
2. Colours:
Excluding black/silver, these two colours will be offered
Poll: https://goo.gl/forms/UVGI8T4xmucFylHj1
3. Shopify payments:
We are considering offering the option of paying via Shopify (CC, DC) which will result in no PayPal fees for you, but you still receive the same buyer protection through Shopify instead of PayPal. Possibility of bank transfer for local buyers as well. Enables us to pay the factory directly without losing money to PP or have it frozen.
4. Small run:
Raffle, possibly 25-30 units
Thoughts/comments :)
IC form! (https://goo.gl/forms/CCaiLukERIq2Yf7t2)
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interested :thumb:
Edit: Stars n Sun
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Stars + sun please!
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
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i really like the stars/sun design
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Yep. Stars n sun is lurvely.
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By the way, thesis reminded me that this is the same board featured in the solarized dark buy:
(https://i.imgur.com/JRpuN8c.jpg)
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Like geometric KIRA design :thumb:
Will there be engraving on top? Personally not a fan.
Sample seems to have two indicator holes. Should there be three?
On top row layout, prefer slight space between clusters (Esc, F1-4, F5-8, F9-12, Extra), which IMO make the top row more usable
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Want 1.5, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1.5 support on the bottom row, also split NUM+
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Like geometric KIRA design :thumb:
Will there be engraving on top? Personally not a fan.
Sample seems to have two indicator holes. Should there be three?
On top row layout, prefer slight space between clusters (Esc, F1-4, F5-8, F9-12, Extra), which IMO make the top row more usable
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Want 1.5, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1.5 support on the bottom row, also split NUM+
Only the logo engraving on the upper left corner, the others are personalized engravings for those who got a prototype. I don't use scroll lock, I don't know anyone who uses it, so I did not include it. 7u bottom is supported, I already asked for split backspace and numpad + from the PCB designer. No spacers between function keys.
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I remember seeing this when Thesiscamper first uploaded a prototype on his Instagram account except it was silver and had what looked like an acrylic diffuser between the top and bottom parts of the case.
Will the final product have that same feature?
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I remember seeing this when Thesiscamper first uploaded a prototype on his Instagram account except it was silver and had what looked like an acrylic diffuser between the top and bottom parts of the case.
Will the final product have that same feature?
Yes, the inserts between the top and bottom can be metal or acrylic.
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Like geometric KIRA design :thumb:
Will there be engraving on top? Personally not a fan.
Sample seems to have two indicator holes. Should there be three?
On top row layout, prefer slight space between clusters (Esc, F1-4, F5-8, F9-12, Extra), which IMO make the top row more usable
Add:
Want 1.5, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1.5 support on the bottom row, also split NUM+
Only the logo engraving on the upper left corner, the others are personalized engravings for those who got a prototype. I don't use scroll lock, I don't know anyone who uses it, so I did not include it. 7u bottom is supported, I already asked for split backspace and numpad + from the PCB designer. No spacers between function keys.
Mostly excellent. No space between function keys - not the end of the world.
Oh, strongly prefer Stars + Sun
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Not entering this because of the brass weight and engraves on top.
But i really like the layout (no spacers in the f-row and between the numbers) and i also like the design, there will be any other run of this without that weird brass shape on bottom?
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I thought it's gonna be a TKL next :'(
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I'm very interested.
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Super interested ! Just bought on massdrop some gmk nautilus yesterday and now I need a board for it, could be it in dark blue ! :D
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Personally prefer the new KIRA weight design but hey that might just be me. Love the layout! Definitely interested but price will be a big part of my participation. With a low order number, might be out of my price range.
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I thought it's gonna be a TKL next :'(
A prototype hasn't been made yet, and with CNY nearing it will be a bit of time before I get one.
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Personally prefer the new KIRA weight design but hey that might just be me. Love the layout! Definitely interested but price will be a big part of my participation. With a low order number, might be out of my price range.
Where can we see it ? XD.. since it is not on first post, only the star weight :))
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Personally prefer the new KIRA weight design but hey that might just be me. Love the layout! Definitely interested but price will be a big part of my participation. With a low order number, might be out of my price range.
Where can we see it ? XD.. since it is not on first post, only the star weight :))
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Personally prefer the new KIRA weight design but hey that might just be me. Love the layout! Definitely interested but price will be a big part of my participation. With a low order number, might be out of my price range.
Where can we see it ? XD.. since it is not on first post, only the star weight :))
Thanks :D !
And I would say I prefer the star weight :)
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I'd prefer a KIRA weight.
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+1 on the Philippines Star.
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Personally prefer the new KIRA weight design but hey that might just be me. Love the layout! Definitely interested but price will be a big part of my participation. With a low order number, might be out of my price range.
Where can we see it ? XD.. since it is not on first post, only the star weight :))
oh man, now i'm sure i want the sun/stars
that looks kinda tacky, imo
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Like geometric KIRA design :thumb:
Will there be engraving on top? Personally not a fan.
Sample seems to have two indicator holes. Should there be three?
On top row layout, prefer slight space between clusters (Esc, F1-4, F5-8, F9-12, Extra), which IMO make the top row more usable
Add:
Want 1.5, 1.5, 7, 1.5, 1.5 support on the bottom row, also split NUM+
Only the logo engraving on the upper left corner, the others are personalized engravings for those who got a prototype. I don't use scroll lock, I don't know anyone who uses it, so I did not include it. 7u bottom is supported, I already asked for split backspace and numpad + from the PCB designer. No spacers between function keys.
I don’t use scroll lock, but I still think it would be better with 3 led just cause of looks :P
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What is the meaning of the stars/sun? There's a truck on my street with the same design decaled.
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Oh this looks intriguing, I really like what you've done with the back
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Highly interested. Looks great
Enviado desde mi Aquaris X mediante Tapatalk
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What is the meaning of the stars/sun? There's a truck on my street with the same design decaled.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Philippines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_the_Philippines)
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Thank you for there feedback guys. The 3 stars and a sun is indeed from the Philippine flag where I'm from, and was suggested by krytone early on when I started trying to come up with my own case designs. I came up with the KIRA weight as a "neutral" alternative. I think beamingrobot should've included a poll, although it seems the stars and sun is currently the favorite.
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Thank you for there feedback guys. The 3 stars and a sun is indeed from the Philippine flag where I'm from, and was suggested by krytone early on when I started trying to come up with my own case designs. I came up with the KIRA weight as a "neutral" alternative. I think beamingrobot should've included a poll, although it seems the stars and sun is currently the favorite.
I actually think the style of the KIRA logo is nice, i just think it would be a shame to change the weight to be different than the 60 that is styled the same :P.
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I don’t use scroll lock, but I still think it would be better with 3 led just cause of looks :P
I forgot to mention, the location of the indicator lights make them distracting since they are very visible, and a light that didn't have any use for me was kind of pointless, at least in my opinion.
Thank you for there feedback guys. The 3 stars and a sun is indeed from the Philippine flag where I'm from, and was suggested by krytone early on when I started trying to come up with my own case designs. I came up with the KIRA weight as a "neutral" alternative. I think beamingrobot should've included a poll, although it seems the stars and sun is currently the favorite.
I actually think the style of the KIRA logo is nice, i just think it would be a shame to change the weight to be different than the 60 that is styled the same :P.
Thanks, we'll let the people who are interested decide.
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That d.va statue though <3
Is the plate tray mount or case mount?
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IMO the Star/sun set looks much better with the blue case.
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That d.va statue though <3
Is the plate tray mount or case mount?
It's top-mount
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Here's a form to indicate your interest, just a username + yes option! :thumb:
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Very interested, hope there are enough for everyone! I prefer Kira rear design but it wouldn't be a deal-breaker either way. Any thought to using the logo on the corner of the blue board on the back instead?
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Will this be using USB-C? :D
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Will this be using USB-C? :D
Not at this point of time unless we make changes, since the entire prototype including PCB has already been produced :)
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Looks Good!!
Stars + sun = Good!!
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very much interested with kira exs! super thanks to my friend buddy who refer me to this page! more power!
:eek: :thumb: :thumb:
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Is this IC for the final version?
(Edit: I'm for the stars + sun on the weight)
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Gosh I want this, but no USB-C :(
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Some more photos:
(https://i.imgur.com/P9brZ9J.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Nz6ZnzQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mp2cREP.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/akCAlRh.jpg)
Please note that there will not be any engraving on the top right corner of the board for the GB.
Some things to take note of before we get into GB phase:
1. When/where:
GB thread will be posted on GH, looking at this week if we manage to talk to the factory in time. If not we will have to wait slightly.
2. Price:
TBD. Cost has gone up from the factory side since the KIRA60 buy, we'll see what we can do.
3. Payment:
We're trying out using just Shopify payments (credit/debit card) for all upcoming GBs as Shopify does not freeze incoming $, and still provides buyers protection. No PayPal for this buy.
4. Colours:
TBA. We're trying to ensure that the factory can do a good finish on the colours you guys have voted on eg. blue/purple etc.
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This board looks incredible. That navy blue is pretty on point!
How tall is the front?
Can it be built without that middle section?
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are there pics showing the differences between the EX and EXS versions?
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Got mine today, it is sooooo nice...
more pictures see https://imgur.com/a/pmmLi
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Such a beautiful board kingnestea, hopefully I can get in on the GB.
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I'm so excited for this yet so scared I won't get in lol...
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Saw kingnestea's pictures and handled his kira60 at a meetup. I love the triangular design on the sides and I love this layout. I'm definitely interested in this.
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Pretty sure Ive already told thesiscamper, Im going to need a few of these! Nice work!
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are there pics showing the differences between the EX and EXS versions?
The EX has thicker bezels, a second prototype should arrive by March, after Chinese New Year.
The height of the front is around 22.5mm without bumpons, the middle insert provides the clearance for the USB so you kinda need it.
The EX version should look like the one in this post: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90702.msg2463256#msg2463256
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Will a brass plate option be offered as well?
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Will a brass plate option be offered as well?
That shouldn't be a problem.
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Will there be an acrylic diffuser/spacer for this?
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Interested. I like the Kira weight. Looking for a black or dark grey.. a light diffuser would be excellent too.. any eta on the gb?
-Rich
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Will there be an acrylic diffuser/spacer for this?
It is an option, as seen in kingnestea's board: https://imgur.com/a/pmmLi (https://imgur.com/a/pmmLi)
Interested. I like the Kira weight. Looking for a black or dark grey.. a light diffuser would be excellent too.. any eta on the gb?
-Rich
beamingrobot is readying stuff, should be in a couple of weeks or so.
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I like the original Kira weight, but here's a thought: the part that shows through at the bottom seems pretty small compared to the large 1800 case. Seems a bit unbalanced. (I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my subjective opinion, the small centered ornate design on the huge plain background is not flattering either of them). I'd rather see a full rectangle of the weight below the case, with the logo engraved (and whatever other text).
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If blue is picked as one of the two colors, will it be close to GMK Hydros?
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I like the original Kira weight, but here's a thought: the part that shows through at the bottom seems pretty small compared to the large 1800 case. Seems a bit unbalanced. (I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my subjective opinion, the small centered ornate design on the huge plain background is not flattering either of them). I'd rather see a full rectangle of the weight below the case, with the logo engraved (and whatever other text).
Thank you for your suggestion. The truth is, I don't really want to do what other makers have been doing, and making another rectangular weight just feels so lazy and unoriginal for me. This is also why I don't stick to just one design for the sides. If people like it enough to do a small run then that's great, if not then it's okay too. I'll just try to keep on coming up with new ones until I've lost interest or more likely, money :)).
I understand what you mean about the weight design looking a bit small, and I think that is true for the 60%, but for this layout the sun and stars are the right size I feel.
tldr:
There are enough boards with that one look, and I'd like to do something that's at least a bit different.
If blue is picked as one of the two colors, will it be close to GMK Hydros?
It will be a brighter blue than the prototype, I think I already have a sample and I'll try to find it.
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I forgot to say, I am trying to come up with a new weight design for my next projects, but this board will stay as is.
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Thanks for your reply :) Yeah, I understand about rectangular weights. I wasn't suggesting a rectangular weight because it's standard, but rather as a simple quick solution for a more balanced size (and probably a lower CNC price). In any event, it's your vision, so you should do what makes you happy.
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Thanks for your reply :) Yeah, I understand about rectangular weights. I wasn't suggesting a rectangular weight because it's standard, but rather as a simple quick solution for a more balanced size (and probably a lower CNC price). In any event, it's your vision, so you should do what makes you happy.
But the Kira weight looks so good on my 60. And it’s already so heavy.
I already have cases with bar weights. This is more fun.
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I like the original Kira weight, but here's a thought: the part that shows through at the bottom seems pretty small compared to the large 1800 case. Seems a bit unbalanced. (I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my subjective opinion, the small centered ornate design on the huge plain background is not flattering either of them). I'd rather see a full rectangle of the weight below the case, with the logo engraved (and whatever other text).
Thank you for your suggestion. The truth is, I don't really want to do what other makers have been doing, and making another rectangular weight just feels so lazy and unoriginal for me. This is also why I don't stick to just one design for the sides. If people like it enough to do a small run then that's great, if not then it's okay too. I'll just try to keep on coming up with new ones until I've lost interest or more likely, money :)).
I understand what you mean about the weight design looking a bit small, and I think that is true for the 60%, but for this layout the sun and stars are the right size I feel.
tldr:
There are enough boards with that one look, and I'd like to do something that's at least a bit different.
If blue is picked as one of the two colors, will it be close to GMK Hydros?
It will be a brighter blue than the prototype, I think I already have a sample and I'll try to find it.
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I forgot to say, I am trying to come up with a new weight design for my next projects, but this board will stay as is.
Aww, so no Navy Blue? :(
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Thanks for your reply :) Yeah, I understand about rectangular weights. I wasn't suggesting a rectangular weight because it's standard, but rather as a simple quick solution for a more balanced size (and probably a lower CNC price). In any event, it's your vision, so you should do what makes you happy.
I'll be looking into larger weight designs that show from the bottom, but it will unlikely be a rectangular bar. :thumb:
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Thanks for your reply :) Yeah, I understand about rectangular weights. I wasn't suggesting a rectangular weight because it's standard, but rather as a simple quick solution for a more balanced size (and probably a lower CNC price). In any event, it's your vision, so you should do what makes you happy.
But the Kira weight looks so good on my 60. And it’s already so heavy.
I already have cases with bar weights. This is more fun.
I feel it looks small compared to the area of the bottom, but I am glad you like it. Thanks!
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I like the original Kira weight, but here's a thought: the part that shows through at the bottom seems pretty small compared to the large 1800 case. Seems a bit unbalanced. (I realize that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In my subjective opinion, the small centered ornate design on the huge plain background is not flattering either of them). I'd rather see a full rectangle of the weight below the case, with the logo engraved (and whatever other text).
Thank you for your suggestion. The truth is, I don't really want to do what other makers have been doing, and making another rectangular weight just feels so lazy and unoriginal for me. This is also why I don't stick to just one design for the sides. If people like it enough to do a small run then that's great, if not then it's okay too. I'll just try to keep on coming up with new ones until I've lost interest or more likely, money :)).
I understand what you mean about the weight design looking a bit small, and I think that is true for the 60%, but for this layout the sun and stars are the right size I feel.
tldr:
There are enough boards with that one look, and I'd like to do something that's at least a bit different.
If blue is picked as one of the two colors, will it be close to GMK Hydros?
It will be a brighter blue than the prototype, I think I already have a sample and I'll try to find it.
edit:
I forgot to say, I am trying to come up with a new weight design for my next projects, but this board will stay as is.
Aww, so no Navy Blue? :(
Unlikely, but beamingrobot and I will look into it.
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Will the PCB be holtite compatible?
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Will the PCB be holtite compatible?
I haven't tried so I can't be sure.
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Is this seriously going to be limited to only 30 units!? Sad day if so...
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Is this seriously going to be limited to only 30 units!? Sad day if so...
Indeed.
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Is this seriously going to be limited to only 30 units!? Sad day if so...
Logistically speaking 25-30 units would be the easiest to handle on our end and turn around/production time is faster too. Those who joined the KIRA60 buy can attest to that.
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Is this seriously going to be limited to only 30 units!? Sad day if so...
Logistically speaking 25-30 units would be the easiest to handle on our end and turn around/production time is faster too. Those who joined the KIRA60 buy can attest to that.
At the end of the day , I speak for my self and probably others as well but, most would not mind waiting ~ 6 months for something great like this, if persay the Gb was limited to roughly 100 units this timeline could be achieved and more could actually have a chance of getting in. Also over all, you may be able to save a little more on cost due to higher volume intake. ❤️❤️❤️
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Is it going to be a raffle?
-Rich
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Is it going to be a raffle?
-Rich
Yep. That is what was said
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I wouldn't mind a longer wait!
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Is this seriously going to be limited to only 30 units!? Sad day if so...
Logistically speaking 25-30 units would be the easiest to handle on our end and turn around/production time is faster too. Those who joined the KIRA60 buy can attest to that.
At the end of the day , I speak for my self and probably others as well but, most would not mind waiting ~ 6 months for something great like this, if persay the Gb was limited to roughly 100 units this timeline could be achieved and more could actually have a chance of getting in. Also over all, you may be able to save a little more on cost due to higher volume intake. ❤️❤️❤️
Agreed, I don't care if it's "exclusive limited production" and I don't need it right away, but I really like the design.
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Keep quantity low. Kira60 is one of the nicest boards I've gotten. I don't wanna risk quality slipping just to make sure more people can get one. Not every keyboard needs to be accessible. I'm guessing getting QC this good was not easy.
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Keep quantity low. Kira60 is one of the nicest boards I've gotten. I don't wanna risk quality slipping just to make sure more people can get one. Not every keyboard needs to be accessible. I'm guessing getting QC this good was not easy.
Low numbers has nothing to do with quality. Taking the necessary time and being ivloved with the product while it’s being manufactured does. 100 units is very obtainable to have great quality and a Managable timeline. Look at every duck gb, look at tx 1800 gb, and many others. . All those boards are amazing. And they have had more than a handful of boards being made per buy.
If small numbers is purley to deliver boards in a small amount of time, most would not mind if the timeline was doubled in order to have more openings. I mean you could even do it in waves. ( first 30 to be delivered in x amount of time. And every 30 after to follow x amount of days/months later)
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1. Logistically:
We won't be able to fulfill that many units, not when both my wife and I have day jobs/studies and can only do monokei stuff at night.
2. Turn around time:
Much faster with fewer units, and easier for us to work on QC directly with the factory and stuff like that.
3. $:
I always do buys based on how much buffer I have. Which means $ for 30 units set apart in my personal bank account in case **** hits the fan so that I can cover any cost, even if the entire buy fails. I simply do not have that much $ lying around.
Anyway, I think it's better to work with smaller buys, easier in terms of working through different configs, I can dedicate more time to QC of individual boards and stuff like that.
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Exclusivity is not the intention, it's just the reality of beamingrobot's situation, ie. he can only handle smaller buys. Personally, I'm just sharing what I've designed to others who like it too. Maybe if monokei gets the hang of it and we're still making things people want then we can raise the MOQ.
We're just keeping it simple and easy to handle for now.
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Please, make more units, I don't mind waiting like most of the folks here. There is always bitterness after raffles it's inevitable.
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Is the plan still this week for the group buy?
There is a few other 96's I've been looking at but I like this one a lot.
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Yup it'll be up this week
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Yup it'll be up this week
is there a price yet?
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Considering that the Kira96 is being handled by IC, is there going to be a "true" 96-key Kira board? I mean, one of equal quality to the Kira EXS and 60. I prefer the 96-key layout, and I highly doubt the IC one will be as nice as this, so I wouldn't wanna miss out on owning one.
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Considering that the Kira96 is being handled by IC, is there going to be a "true" 96-key Kira board? I mean, one of equal quality to the Kira EXS and 60. I prefer the 96-key layout, and I highly doubt the IC one will be as nice as this, so I wouldn't wanna miss out on owning one.
I haven't seriously thought about it, and even if I design one it will not be anytime soon. There a few boards that I have finished doing CAD for, a few that have prototypes made, and I haven't really considered doing a true 96-key in the near future. It shouldn't take long to make a CAD for one anyway, maybe a few hours. The design is already there, just need to translate it to something that can be manufactured. It's just further down the list of priorities.
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I hope to see some anodizing color options that mimic other metals, like pewter, bronze, copper. Pewter would be neutral enough but not quite the plain standard silver. The logo on the EX prototype looks great!
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I totally understand the logistics of making this a smaller group buy. I’d love to hop into the raffle for this, since I’ve been following the Kira projects for ages and am in need of an 1800 layout. Also, the thing looks gorgeous.
BUT. I’m saddened by this being USB mini. I get it, it’s currently ubiquitous in the MK community. Lots of folks have invested in custom cables to match their boards. It’s probably easier (and cheaper?) to find a mini port to solder onto the board than it is a USB C one. But still, Mini is basically a dead connector. It’s only going to get more niche. Plus, we could all enjoy having a reversible cable that’s more durable when swapping between boards.
Sorry to go on a rant about this here. I was just catching up and was excited by the EXS news until I saw the connector. I may still hop in anyway, but I just wanted to voice my concern for any future GBs or concepts you may have coming up. Good luck with the buy!
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I totally understand the logistics of making this a smaller group buy. I’d love to hop into the raffle for this, since I’ve been following the Kira projects for ages and am in need of an 1800 layout. Also, the thing looks gorgeous.
BUT. I’m saddened by this being USB mini. I get it, it’s currently ubiquitous in the MK community. Lots of folks have invested in custom cables to match their boards. It’s probably easier (and cheaper?) to find a mini port to solder onto the board than it is a USB C one. But still, Mini is basically a dead connector. It’s only going to get more niche. Plus, we could all enjoy having a reversible cable that’s more durable when swapping between boards.
Sorry to go on a rant about this here. I was just catching up and was excited by the EXS news until I saw the connector. I may still hop in anyway, but I just wanted to voice my concern for any future GBs or concepts you may have coming up. Good luck with the buy!
Hi! I understand your point/s, and it is indeed better to move forward. Please understand that we are relatively new players in the custom board field, and as such we had to choose the safest reasonable route for the group buys. We can be biting off more than we can chew instead, and let participants deal with the issues when they arise, be it higher MOQ or offering more flexibility to layouts, etc. We didn't want that, and we didn't want the headache of dealing with those stuff.
I will look into this, and weigh the pros and cons of switching to Type-C. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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Thanks for the comments everyone, GB thread is up so we'll move over to that thread for any further discussion!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94290.0