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geekhack Community => Keyboards => Topic started by: bmilcs on Sat, 10 February 2018, 18:23:00
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Hi hello,
I'm Bryan, a Southpaw 65% GB participant. I eagerly await it's arrival. After a recent departure from my beloved 62g Ergoclears, via a 62g Lubed Kailh Silvers gaming build, I've surprisingly been wooed by the linear experience. However, the minimal actuation travel distance, decreased overall throw combined with the 62g spring, is far too light and I'm prone to errors.
So, with that in mind, I set out to find a perfect spring that will decrease the chance of errors while still allowing me to enjoy a beautiful linear typing experience. I've made posts regarding my concern, 65g or 68g in a lubed Gateron black switch. I just created 5 of each and have them side by side in a metal plate.
They both have merits, but again, I ask myself ---
Does any other mechanical keyboard enthusiast rely on linears for their data entry related work?
Are you more prone to errors after switching from a clicky or tactile switch?
Words of encouragement and advice welcome.
The fate of many insurance claims lie in the balance.
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don't rely on your keyboard to keep you from making mistakes
62g linears are ++ for data entry though
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don't rely on your keyboard to keep you from making mistakes
62g linears are ++ for data entry though
Here I was, relying on my keyboards for mental, physical and spiritual needs. I wish someone brought this to my attention sooner :P.
For seriousness though... switch & spring strength can make an immense impact on touch typing and your accuracy. Literally just grazing the surface of a Kailh Silver can lead to crazy amounts of errors. I've used backspace 2 dozen times on this post alone. My tactile ergoclears is a different story. I did build it for gaming purposes and I can't fault it in the least for that.
And that is the sole experience I have with lubed linears... hence my concern.
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Cognition and motor skills are the limits to accuracy. The user interface (including hardware) may only expose it, as long as it's reliable.
Limit error-prone input (through automation) and work on the truly limiting factors, and a particular switch type shouldn't really matter.
Treat the cause, not symptoms.
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I don't do data entry per se, but I do write and run through manual test scripts sometimes that require entering setup data and I write a bunch of SQL database queries. I tried using my MX Red keyboard for several months because I didn't want to disturb my co-workers, but I found it to be miserable. I even use o-rings because the long travel distance combined with low weight and no tactility feels like trying to walk on ice covered in butter. The reduced travel distance helps a bit, but not enough.
I still like using linears for playing games though. Maybe I just don't like MX Reds for typing; perhaps a different linear switch would change my mind, but that's my experience so far.
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I would consider using the stock MX Clear springs.
They have a rather steep force curve that makes them get heavy enough at actuation as to perhaps prevent accidental adjacent keypresses.
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Don't use shorter travel linear switches, I find those give me more typo, use a regular travel and slightly heavier switch.
Apparently a lot of people find Gateron Yellow to be their perfect switch, unfortunately I haven't get to try it yet but just keep hearing good things about it. Gateron Yellow and Black has same actuation force but Yellow has a more linear increase in force and bottom out a bit lighter than Black.
OR oddly enough I find my accuracy was better when I was using Cherry MX Board 2.0 with its shallower keycaps (on MX Red). But those keycaps only come with Cherry MX Board 2.0 and 3.0 so might be hard to try them out.
As much I love my linear switch I just find typing is never its strong suit. Topre is best for typing but I guess that's not linear. :P
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I did a lot of data entry at my job and tried out a few mechanical keyboards there. MX red switches were my least favorite. I didn't like how they didn't provide any feedback, especially when I was entering things without looking at the screen much. Browns were my preferred switch for data entry, and still are, even though I type out more emails than data entry now. I had a Topre Type Heaven that was great for data entry, too, but the keys started to shine with all of the typing and that started to bug me.
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OP Here.
I agree w/ the MX Red talk. MX Reds are horrendous :P.
I'm honestly not a fan of any stock switch that I've tried, except for MX Clears. However, I definitely prefer Ergoclears to those :P
I'm hoping that the 65g or 68g in Gateron Blacks I decide on using will work... and I'm sure it will. If not, I can always order some more switches and rebuild it.