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geekhack Marketplace => Interest Checks => Topic started by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 14:41:24

Title: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 14:41:24

Most of the relevant information is already in the Google form: https://donutcables.com/og-coil-cables-ic/
Mobile link: https://goo.gl/forms/F59sBgMgvr5yiE4W2

Adding updated information here for specs:

(https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg)
D=25mm - the OD/outer diameter of the coils
D1=6.5mm - the OD of the cable itself
L1=150mm - the end that plugs into the keyboard
L2=500mm - the end that plugs into the pc/hub
L=448mm - the length of the coiled section
Connector options: USB A, B, Mini, Micro, C, and others on request.

People like thick cables. People like coils. Some people really like the aesthetic of cables off of vintage keebs. Why not combine those things into a modern equivalent? That's what I'm trying to do here. Dubbed "OG Coil" Cables, these are meant to replicate the look of vintage cables through thicc insulation and factory made coils that can stand more abuse than hand made coils. Right now the tentative specs of the cables are:

8mm cable OD
110cm overall length in the following layout:
USB(B/Mini/Micro/C)---4cm---///30cm///---76cm----USB A
Matte black insulation
Tentative pricing of $25-$30
MOQ of 100

These are the current specs that I've requested quotes for from the manu, but they could easily be changed. I'll put some questions below concerning what could be changed about the cables.

(https://i.imgur.com/35rMASn.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/35rMASn.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Remsky on Wed, 14 March 2018, 14:58:41

Would like some OG cables, interested :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:08:38

I'll be in for some Beige ones.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: mrkevint on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:15:03

I've always loved the industrial aesthetic of vintage cables... The artisan-styled ones never did anything for me. I'm down for a couple!

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: ullr on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:30:24

I’ve been looking for one of these with nice connectors for a while. I would probably get at least one, maybe more if enough demand is indicated for multiple cables.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:37:41

One thing I'm looking into is getting connectors that are maybe a bit better suited to this application than my stock ones, but without being a risk of breaking USB ports off PCBs like yarbo ones.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:39:30

Quote from: ullr on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:30:24

I’ve been looking for one of these with nice connectors for a while. I would probably get at least one, maybe more if enough demand is indicated for multiple cables.

Me too. I saw someone have one on kbdlabs a long time ago, and been wishing I could buy some somewhere.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 March 2018, 16:11:35

Yes. Beige.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Signature on Wed, 14 March 2018, 16:25:14

Yea beige would be really nice! Is there an option to not have a connector on one side or do I have to bring out the good ol scissors?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 16:30:38

Quote from: Signature on Wed, 14 March 2018, 16:25:14

Yea beige would be really nice! Is there an option to not have a connector on one side or do I have to bring out the good ol scissors?

I could definitely leave one end off, just remind me to put a spot for comments/remarks on the order form so you can tell me later.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: mrkevint on Wed, 14 March 2018, 17:33:57

Quote from: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:37:41

One thing I'm looking into is getting connectors that are maybe a bit better suited to this application than my stock ones, but without being a risk of breaking USB ports off PCBs like yarbo ones.

Yeah the Yarbo cables come close but IMO the connectors look a bit sloppy and they're heavy.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: superhot on Wed, 14 March 2018, 19:40:09

I'll be in for some of those grey ones

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: DasGnome on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:20:52

An aviator connection might relieve the USB by shifting the main weight back? Dunno how people would feel about that with this though.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: p_blaze on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:25:19

Quote from: DasGnome on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:20:52

An aviator connection might relieve the USB by shifting the main weight back? Dunno how people would feel about that with this though.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:33:47

I personally think aviator connections look too big/bulky on USB cables.
I found a pic I saved of the one I saw on kbdlabs a few years ago (would be even sweeter if we could get beige heat shrink):

(http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd490/CurtisandCrystal/GH%20Pics%20For%20or%20From%20GeekHack/0d3d29ad15fbf984c4fd8f2f6394a8a1.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:49:18

I've never seen a cable nicer than that of the IBM model f at / xt. We should really try to replicate the thickness, the shine and smoothness of that rubber. The spiral is much bigger than usual. It's a joy to touch it.

[attachimg=1]

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 14 March 2018, 23:44:50

Quote from: Giorgio on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:49:18

I've never seen a cable nicer than that of the IBM model f at / xt. We should really try to replicate the thickness, the shine and smoothness of that rubber. The spiral is much bigger than usual. It's a joy to touch it.

(Attachment Link)

You should grab some measurements on that bad boy there and maybe we can see how close we can get to something like that.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 00:36:30

i'd buy one

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 15 March 2018, 04:55:04

Definitely will buy one if there are more color options. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 15 March 2018, 05:58:30

I'd definitely be in for a couple.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 15 March 2018, 06:23:35

Would buy one or two.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: nmur on Thu, 15 March 2018, 06:28:52

would def buy 1-2

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23

Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

[attach=1]

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: dgneo on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:07:28

Definitely would be in, imo should have a grey/black/beige option

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: AuDiTH on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:46:23

Interested :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08

Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23

Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 15 March 2018, 16:39:20

Neat, I'm definitely interested

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: ojrask on Thu, 15 March 2018, 16:40:01

A beige cable for my custom G8x-3000 build would be really awesome.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: MandrewDavis on Thu, 15 March 2018, 20:25:13

I would be in for 1 or 2.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:25:00

Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08

Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

Works with some ;)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:38:12

Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08

Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

all OTDs are ps/2

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:46:30

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:38:12

Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08
Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

all OTDs are ps/2

Except for the Koala.
I read it can be usb or ps2, but everyone I've seen has been usb.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 22:20:20

Quote from: CommonCurt on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:46:30

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:38:12
Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08
Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

all OTDs are ps/2
Except for the Koala.
I read it can be usb or ps2, but everyone I've seen has been usb.

koala has a different designer

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 15 March 2018, 22:23:10

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 22:20:20

Quote from: CommonCurt on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:46:30
Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:38:12
Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08
Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

all OTDs are ps/2
Except for the Koala.
I read it can be usb or ps2, but everyone I've seen has been usb.

koala has a different designer

I was just saying that it's the only OTD board that I know of that uses USB.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: lemur on Fri, 16 March 2018, 03:04:37

I'd be interested in one...

I do think 4cm is quite a bit too short for the 'small end' of the straight part of the cable, perhaps doubling it to 8cm, to assure maximum compatibility with boards/other thing people want to use it for... as well as to get the bigger bulk of the coil a bit further away from the keyboard/thing for compatibility with some desk environments (whether it be for aesthetic or functional reasons)

(the short end of the straight part of the cable is about 12cm on a model M SDL cable, for what thats worth)

edit: also yes to a gray/beige option :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: smithyithy on Fri, 16 March 2018, 09:41:50

In for one of these dude.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Techno Trousers on Fri, 16 March 2018, 12:46:01

Looks interesting. Just so everyone knows, the "THICC" cable and extra big coil options are a lot larger than the old school IBM beige cables. This is more along the lines of the "medium" sized options in the form.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180316/f6ca79bef20f826daa5bd4ebb84d557e.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Fri, 16 March 2018, 14:41:59

I'll take three.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: captsis on Sat, 17 March 2018, 14:43:50

Will USB c be offered?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Signature on Sat, 17 March 2018, 14:49:44

Quote from: captsis on Sat, 17 March 2018, 14:43:50

Will USB c be offered?

Yes, it´s in the OP

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: S0L on Sat, 17 March 2018, 22:55:17

Yes please, black Type-C!

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: dblack on Sat, 17 March 2018, 23:16:28

Quote from: CommonCurt on Wed, 14 March 2018, 15:08:38

I'll be in for some Beige ones.

this... pls

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 17 March 2018, 23:16:35

Interested. I said grey in the form but I take it back - black shiney like this please:

Quote from: Giorgio on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:49:18

I've never seen a cable nicer than that of the IBM model f at / xt. We should really try to replicate the thickness, the shine and smoothness of that rubber. The spiral is much bigger than usual. It's a joy to touch it.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/D9jp9GC.jpg)

Also vote for male+female PS/2 over aviator as a coupler.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: godlikekitten on Sun, 18 March 2018, 00:36:13

Give me them

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: midnight2903 on Sun, 18 March 2018, 01:00:06

looks good

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: MungFuSensei on Sun, 18 March 2018, 15:24:39

Yeeeeaaah I'ma need you to drop whatever you're doing and start making these immediately.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: homiechicken on Sun, 18 March 2018, 17:56:17

Count me in!

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Signature on Sun, 18 March 2018, 18:59:06

Quote from: Puddsy on Thu, 15 March 2018, 21:38:12

Quote from: schmoktopus on Thu, 15 March 2018, 15:59:08
Quote from: Kafka on Thu, 15 March 2018, 13:38:23
Super interested. Would love something like this with a USB C end :thumb:

(Attachment Link)

Wait what conncector do you have there? Looks like PS/2 to me, but that doesn't work with modern keyboards afaik

all OTDs are ps/2

all OTDs that use default controller are ps/2 if you use the a356 controller you can use USB.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:37:04

Quote from: Giorgio on Wed, 14 March 2018, 22:49:18

I've never seen a cable nicer than that of the IBM model f at / xt. We should really try to replicate the thickness, the shine and smoothness of that rubber. The spiral is much bigger than usual. It's a joy to touch it.

(Attachment Link)

I 10/10 agree and I'm quite interested. As far as heatshrink goes, I think it should remain black as opposed to doing grey/beige as another user mentioned.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:51:01

Quote from: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:37:04

I 10/10 agree and I'm quite interested. As far as heatshrink goes, I think it should remain black as opposed to doing grey/beige as another user mentioned.

Heatshrink can easily be to-order rather than making everything the same.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:21:08

Quote from: donutcat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:51:01

Heatshrink can easily be to-order rather than making everything the same.

Right, I was just shooting my opinion in general and not making that part of what I said necessarily about the cables overall. Thanks for the clarification regardless.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 18 March 2018, 20:31:10

Quote from: donutcat on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:51:01

Quote from: Vloshko on Sun, 18 March 2018, 19:37:04

I 10/10 agree and I'm quite interested. As far as heatshrink goes, I think it should remain black as opposed to doing grey/beige as another user mentioned.

Heatshrink can easily be to-order rather than making everything the same.

Good to know :thumb:

I wouldn't really want black heatshrink on my beige cable.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 19 March 2018, 22:36:14

Interested in buying few cables.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 20 March 2018, 03:18:52

Beige or white color will be :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 20:36:47

Figured I'd offer a summary thus far of the results on the IC form:

(https://i.imgur.com/dmmSYBB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/dmmSYBB.png)
Summary of the total responses

(https://i.imgur.com/6NVoVq8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/6NVoVq8.png)
Black is winning hard with beige second

(https://i.imgur.com/X8GemPB.png) (https://i.imgur.com/X8GemPB.png)
Thiccness is surprisingly close together with 6.5mm being the highest

(https://i.imgur.com/PMK0oXm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PMK0oXm.png)
Coils vs total length is also surprisingly close, I think it was at 50:50 at 84 responses

(https://i.imgur.com/5mnCGQg.png) (https://i.imgur.com/5mnCGQg.png)
Coil sizing has a pretty definitive split

So it looks like the current majority winner is black, 6.5mm thick, with a focus on mostly coils of 25mm OD.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: dblack on Tue, 20 March 2018, 21:04:48

Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 20:36:47

So it looks like the current majority winner is black, 6.5mm thick, with a focus on mostly coils of 25mm OD.

dayum, really wanted beige, im still gonna pick up a black one tho

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Techno Trousers on Tue, 20 March 2018, 21:09:58

Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 20:36:47

So it looks like the current majority winner is black, 6.5mm thick, with a focus on mostly coils of 25mm OD.

I think people will be very happy with this cable thickness and coil size. It's close to the IBM coiled beige cable I posted earlier.

Is there a chance of running multiple colors, or do we need to limit it to one for MOQ purposes?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 22:03:57

I'm willing to try for multiple MOQs as long as people fully understand what that entails as they're at least 100 units. I may see about getting quotes from a couple other manus to see if they do any better or worse than my previous comparison.

Also, do note that just because these are the results now doesn't mean they're final. I'm leaving the form open while I'm at San Antonio to gather more responses and I'll take final results some time next week
.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: ARSLOCK on Wed, 21 March 2018, 08:17:14

Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 20 March 2018, 22:03:57

I'm willing to try for multiple MOQs as long as people fully understand what that entails as they're at least 100 units. I may see about getting quotes from a couple other manus to see if they do any better or worse than my previous comparison.

Is the MOQ 100 per cable connector type or just 100 cables with various connectors?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 21 March 2018, 08:42:44

Just 100 per cable design, connectors don't matter since I'll be dealing with them myself. So for example, black 6.5mm with 25mm coils would be 100 moq, white 6.5mm with 25mm coils is 100 moq, and white 5mm with 25mm coils is 100moq.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 21 March 2018, 09:31:47

Would be very cool to have both a dark and lighter color available.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 21 March 2018, 12:15:10

This is glorious, and worth drilling a bigger hole in my EVE-Project chassis to accommodate the thicker cable. I'm in all the way.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Rowanblood on Wed, 21 March 2018, 18:41:15

In for one or more- I love this.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 21 March 2018, 18:44:31

Really hoping beige ends up being an option.
Would love 2 of them.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: MungFuSensei on Wed, 21 March 2018, 21:40:56

I think it might be possible to offer 2 colors, but it's gonna be hard to do more than that if there's a 100 MOQ for each. Do we have numbers from other cable group buys to compare, and see what kind of participation can be expected?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Techno Trousers on Wed, 21 March 2018, 21:50:50

What if you open the gb for a single color, then run the next most popular color as a round two? If it's anounced up front, then people can decide for themselves whether to join and support round one, to help ensure a round two happens.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: JP on Wed, 21 March 2018, 22:03:07

I'm interested in 2-3 black coiled cables.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: idlemao on Thu, 22 March 2018, 11:35:46

Hope beige can be an option in a next round.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: JP on Thu, 22 March 2018, 21:01:24

乇乂ㄒ尺卂ㄒ卄丨匚匚 plz :D

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: superhot on Fri, 23 March 2018, 09:03:55

my man

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: MaNiFeX on Fri, 23 March 2018, 10:54:31

Interest has been piqued. ^-^

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:34:26

Alright, I figure now would be a good time to go ahead and call in the votes so I can get to work on the quoting process.

(https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png)
Black still severely in the lead with beige a loose second.

(https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png)
6.5mm won thiccness with 5mm and 8mm tied for second

(https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png)
In coils vs length, coils won out preference, but just barely.

(https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png)
Lastly, smaller coils landed a definitive victory over larger coils.

So, what does all this translate into for the actual cables? Pretty obviously I'll be going with black as the main option, but I think I'll also try getting a quote for beige. For the other three traits, thiccness, coils:length, and coil size, they must be added together to get the full picture. The 6.5mm cable mixed with the 25mm OD coils means that it only takes ~58.12mm of cable to make a single coil which is a relatively small amount compared to my initial 40mm coils number. Because of this, we can get more coils per length of cable, which will be suitable for the slightly mixed results of the coils:length question. Base on an approximately 4572mm max cable length, I'm thinking of going with the following configuration:

(https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg)

D=25mm - the OD/outer diameter of the coils
D1=6.5mm - the OD of the cable itself
L1=60mm - the end that plugs into the keyboard
L2=500mm - the end that plugs into the pc/hub
L=448mm - the length of the coiled section

This config would give a total length of 1008mm or just over 1m, with almost half of that being delicious thick coils.

Let me know your thoughts on this config so I can see if it's mostly reflecting what people are looking for in these cables.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:38:59

Any chance of a female USB-C termination at L2?

My ideal would be a male/female coupler of some kind (even USB-C works) half way along the coil as I like my cables fixed into the board, but I can see how that's being greedy and not a popular position for a GB, so a female USB-C termination is a happy medium for my snowflake requirements.

Overall, a solid 8/10 Will Buy from me.

EDIT: also is L1 fixed at 60mm? I'd like a little bit more length on an un-terminated cable so I can hack a mini-USB into m'Teensy as a special pretty please.

(https://imgur.com/m6c79o0.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: EightDiagram on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:39:36

These specs look good. :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 17:32:32

Quote from: emenelopee on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:38:59

Any chance of a female USB-C termination at L2?

My ideal would be a male/female coupler of some kind (even USB-C works) half way along the coil as I like my cables fixed into the board, but I can see how that's being greedy and not a popular position for a GB, so a female USB-C termination is a happy medium for my snowflake requirements.

Overall, a solid 8/10 Will Buy from me.

EDIT: also is L1 fixed at 60mm? I'd like a little bit more length on an un-terminated cable so I can hack a mini-USB into m'Teensy as a special pretty please.

Show Image
(https://imgur.com/m6c79o0.jpg)

About how much would you need on the board side of the coils?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 28 March 2018, 19:46:09

Show Image

Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:34:26

Alright, I figure now would be a good time to go ahead and call in the votes so I can get to work on the quoting process.

(https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png)

Black still severely in the lead with beige a loose second.

(https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png)

6.5mm won thiccness with 5mm and 8mm tied for second

(https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png)

In coils vs length, coils won out preference, but just barely.

(https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png)

Lastly, smaller coils landed a definitive victory over larger coils.

So, what does all this translate into for the actual cables? Pretty obviously I'll be going with black as the main option, but I think I'll also try getting a quote for beige. For the other three traits, thiccness, coils:length, and coil size, they must be added together to get the full picture. The 6.5mm cable mixed with the 25mm OD coils means that it only takes ~58.12mm of cable to make a single coil which is a relatively small amount compared to my initial 40mm coils number. Because of this, we can get more coils per length of cable, which will be suitable for the slightly mixed results of the coils:length question. Base on an approximately 4572mm max cable length, I'm thinking of going with the following configuration:

(https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg)

D=25mm - the OD/outer diameter of the coils
D1=6.5mm - the OD of the cable itself
L1=60mm - the end that plugs into the keyboard
L2=500mm - the end that plugs into the pc/hub
L=448mm - the length of the coiled section

This config would give a total length of 1008mm or just over 1m, with almost half of that being delicious thick coils.

Let me know your thoughts on this config so I can see if it's mostly reflecting what people are looking for in these cables.

TBF, beige+white+grey combine to over 50%, so a light color might be more popular than black :p

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 28 March 2018, 19:54:04

Quote from: pr0ximity on Wed, 28 March 2018, 19:46:09

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Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:34:26
Alright, I figure now would be a good time to go ahead and call in the votes so I can get to work on the quoting process.

(https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png) (https://i.imgur.com/GuR6GP6.png)

Black still severely in the lead with beige a loose second.

(https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Cop8kcM.png)

6.5mm won thiccness with 5mm and 8mm tied for second

(https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png) (https://i.imgur.com/PNlsz3J.png)

In coils vs length, coils won out preference, but just barely.

(https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0LRrnmO.png)

Lastly, smaller coils landed a definitive victory over larger coils.

So, what does all this translate into for the actual cables? Pretty obviously I'll be going with black as the main option, but I think I'll also try getting a quote for beige. For the other three traits, thiccness, coils:length, and coil size, they must be added together to get the full picture. The 6.5mm cable mixed with the 25mm OD coils means that it only takes ~58.12mm of cable to make a single coil which is a relatively small amount compared to my initial 40mm coils number. Because of this, we can get more coils per length of cable, which will be suitable for the slightly mixed results of the coils:length question. Base on an approximately 4572mm max cable length, I'm thinking of going with the following configuration:

(https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/m39cd6E.jpg)

D=25mm - the OD/outer diameter of the coils
D1=6.5mm - the OD of the cable itself
L1=60mm - the end that plugs into the keyboard
L2=500mm - the end that plugs into the pc/hub
L=448mm - the length of the coiled section

This config would give a total length of 1008mm or just over 1m, with almost half of that being delicious thick coils.

Let me know your thoughts on this config so I can see if it's mostly reflecting what people are looking for in these cables.

TBF, beige+white+grey combine to over 50%, so a light color might be more popular than black :p

all 4 of those options would go with pretty much any color of keyboard

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: emenelopee on Wed, 28 March 2018, 20:07:46

Quote from: donutcat on Wed, 28 March 2018, 17:32:32

Quote from: emenelopee on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:38:59
Any chance of a female USB-C termination at L2?

My ideal would be a male/female coupler of some kind (even USB-C works) half way along the coil as I like my cables fixed into the board, but I can see how that's being greedy and not a popular position for a GB, so a female USB-C termination is a happy medium for my snowflake requirements.

Overall, a solid 8/10 Will Buy from me.

EDIT: also is L1 fixed at 60mm? I'd like a little bit more length on an un-terminated cable so I can hack a mini-USB into m'Teensy as a special pretty please.

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About how much would you need on the board side of the coils?

About 150 mm (6 in) should do it. That's total, so +90 mm onto the 60 mm you have now. Depends on how tight the radius can go on the cable without stressing the Teensy socket.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 28 March 2018, 22:34:06

Quote from: Puddsy on Wed, 28 March 2018, 19:54:04

Quote from: pr0ximity on Wed, 28 March 2018, 19:46:09
TBF, beige+white+grey combine to over 50%, so a light color might be more popular than black :p

all 4 of those options would go with pretty much any color of keyboard

I think black goes well with darker cases, but a lighter cable goes nicely with all colors.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 21:23:38

So, got some good news. I checked with a backup manu for a quote on both black and beige cables, and their pricing was significantly better, ~63% better than the previous quotes I had received, though still with the same 100 unit moq. This is great news since it'll mean cheaper cables for you guys, and a chance to sell more of them since a lower price point. I'll be doing the math on pricing over the next few days and be looking to launch early next week if there's no issues.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:02:23

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 21:23:38

So, got some good news. I checked with a backup manu for a quote on both black and beige cables, and their pricing was significantly better, ~63% better than the previous quotes I had received, though still with the same 100 unit moq. This is great news since it'll mean cheaper cables for you guys, and a chance to sell more of them since a lower price point. I'll be doing the math on pricing over the next few days and be looking to launch early next week if there's no issues.

Sorry if I missed it, but does this mean that you'll be doing Beige and Black at the same time?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:25:56

Quote from: CommonCurt on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:02:23

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 21:23:38
So, got some good news. I checked with a backup manu for a quote on both black and beige cables, and their pricing was significantly better, ~63% better than the previous quotes I had received, though still with the same 100 unit moq. This is great news since it'll mean cheaper cables for you guys, and a chance to sell more of them since a lower price point. I'll be doing the math on pricing over the next few days and be looking to launch early next week if there's no issues.

Sorry if I missed it, but does this mean that you'll be doing Beige and Black at the same time?

Yep doing both of them this run since it'll be easier to get the to MOQ now.i was even yoying around with the idea of something like a neon pink cable too, but I wasn't sure if that would have a chance.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 30 March 2018, 00:02:48

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:25:56

Quote from: CommonCurt on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:02:23
Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 21:23:38
So, got some good news. I checked with a backup manu for a quote on both black and beige cables, and their pricing was significantly better, ~63% better than the previous quotes I had received, though still with the same 100 unit moq. This is great news since it'll mean cheaper cables for you guys, and a chance to sell more of them since a lower price point. I'll be doing the math on pricing over the next few days and be looking to launch early next week if there's no issues.

Sorry if I missed it, but does this mean that you'll be doing Beige and Black at the same time?

Yep doing both of them this run since it'll be easier to get the to MOQ now.i was even yoying around with the idea of something like a neon pink cable too, but I wasn't sure if that would have a chance.

Awesome! :)
Yeah, don't think I personally would get pink, but I'm definitely down for that Beige.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: emenelopee on Fri, 30 March 2018, 00:11:19

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:25:56

Yep doing both of them this run since it'll be easier to get the to MOQ now.i was even yoying around with the idea of something like a neon pink cable too, but I wasn't sure if that would have a chance.

IN FOR NEON PINK!

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: captsis on Sat, 31 March 2018, 09:19:42

Quote from: emenelopee on Fri, 30 March 2018, 00:11:19

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:25:56
Yep doing both of them this run since it'll be easier to get the to MOQ now.i was even yoying around with the idea of something like a neon pink cable too, but I wasn't sure if that would have a chance.

IN FOR NEON PINK!

I'd by the **** out of that. No losing that cable eh?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 31 March 2018, 10:07:12

Quote from: donutcat on Thu, 29 March 2018, 23:25:56

Yep doing both of them this run since it'll be easier to get the to MOQ now.i was even yoying around with the idea of something like a neon pink cable too, but I wasn't sure if that would have a chance.

I'd buy all 3. Especially the neon pink.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: donutcat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 22:05:44

So since there was at least a little interest I've gone ahead and asked for a quote on the neon pink cables as well since there's no real harm in just getting a quote for them. I've also asked for a shipping quote on all the cables, so that'll let me figure out end pricing. As of right now I'm still planning on using my default USB connectors for these cables, so if anyone has any suggestions for other diy USB connectors lemme know and I'll look into it. I'm fine with the normie connectors but I know other people were perhaps wanting something a bit fancier.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: CommonCurt on Sat, 31 March 2018, 23:07:27

Quote from: donutcat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 22:05:44

So since there was at least a little interest I've gone ahead and asked for a quote on the neon pink cables as well since there's no real harm in just getting a quote for them. I've also asked for a shipping quote on all the cables, so that'll let me figure out end pricing. As of right now I'm still planning on using my default USB connectors for these cables, so if anyone has any suggestions for other diy USB connectors lemme know and I'll look into it. I'm fine with the normie connectors but I know other people were perhaps wanting something a bit fancier.

I would like the "normie" connectors on mine ;D

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: emenelopee on Sat, 31 March 2018, 23:20:45

Quote from: donutcat on Sat, 31 March 2018, 22:05:44

So since there was at least a little interest I've gone ahead and asked for a quote on the neon pink cables as well since there's no real harm in just getting a quote for them. I've also asked for a shipping quote on all the cables, so that'll let me figure out end pricing. As of right now I'm still planning on using my default USB connectors for these cables, so if anyone has any suggestions for other diy USB connectors lemme know and I'll look into it. I'm fine with the normie connectors but I know other people were perhaps wanting something a bit fancier.

I for one am stoked for neon pink. Let's make this happen, cap'n!

And contrary to my previous requests, the awesome curls are good enough to be a permanent feature so I withdraw my request for female UCB-C or some other coupler type: USB-A or USB-C normie terminations work fine.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: hking0036 on Sun, 01 April 2018, 23:58:07

I'd love to get some suitable replacements for my IBM boards that are getting converted to USB - I'll try to get some measurements on XT and 122 Terminal cables when I get back on tuesday. The XT one has some wiggle room, but the terminal board has a pretty picky small spot for cables so I'd have to be worried about thickness on that.

(USB A -> USB Mini, if it's not clear, also)

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:19:00

Alright, got some more numbers back and some color samples. I'm ok with the black they sent me since it's kinda hard to mess up black, but not so much the beige
(https://i.imgur.com/zAuA0GW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zAuA0GW.jpg)
Imo it's a bit too saturated of a beige for what I was looking for.

Good news is, they'll match RAL color codes, which IDKWTF they are, but a bit of Googling shows there's a bunch of them to choose from, so I'll be looking through those to find the color I think the beige needs to be, as well as finding one for the neon pink.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 17:34:36

Looks like khaki to me, judging by this scientific scale I found on the internet:

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/75/95/d17595797c88cb47b184d83bc35056b4.jpg)

RE: neon pink, I don't know if you can colour match neon - a nice solid magenta will do for me.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: captsis on Tue, 03 April 2018, 18:07:24

Quote from: emenelopee on Tue, 03 April 2018, 17:34:36

Looks like khaki to me, judging by this scientific scale I found on the internet:

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RE: neon pink, I don't know if you can colour match neon - a nice solid magenta will do for me.

Yeah I'd be in for magenta. No losing a bright pink cable!

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 22:59:02

There is actually a decent "neon" pink, RAL 4010
(https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png)
And I'm also pretty certain on RAL7004 for the beige
(https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png)
And I also think I'm gonna do RAL9011 for the black since it would do really well with the matte finish I think
(https://i.imgur.com/kcADpGz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kcADpGz.png)

There's also a bunch of other colors on the RAL chart that would make neat cables in the future, such as RAL3026 or RAL6038, though their purple options are a little lacking imo. Plenty of stuff to think about for future drops.

I'll probably launch the GB tomorrow if I hear back confirming they can use my color choices.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - GB soon™
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:38:31

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Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 16:19:00

Alright, got some more numbers back and some color samples. I'm ok with the black they sent me since it's kinda hard to mess up black, but not so much the beige
(https://i.imgur.com/zAuA0GW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zAuA0GW.jpg)
Imo it's a bit too saturated of a beige for what I was looking for.

Good news is, they'll match RAL color codes, which IDKWTF they are, but a bit of Googling shows there's a bunch of them to choose from, so I'll be looking through those to find the color I think the beige needs to be, as well as finding one for the neon pink.

Damn! Yeah, that's like brown khaki.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:44:45

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Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 22:59:02

There is actually a decent "neon" pink, RAL 4010
(https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png)

And I'm also pretty certain on RAL7004 for the beige
(https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png)

And I also think I'm gonna do RAL9011 for the black since it would do really well with the matte finish I think
(https://i.imgur.com/kcADpGz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/kcADpGz.png)

There's also a bunch of other colors on the RAL chart that would make neat cables in the future, such as RAL3026 or RAL6038, though their purple options are a little lacking imo. Plenty of stuff to think about for future drops.

I'll probably launch the GB tomorrow if I hear back confirming they can use my color choices.

RAL7004 looks more grey than beige to me. I tend to think of beige as being a bit more yellow than that.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:45:42

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Quote from: donutcat on Tue, 03 April 2018, 22:59:02

There is actually a decent "neon" pink, RAL 4010
(https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png) (https://i.imgur.com/0HUeYiD.png)

And I'm also pretty certain on RAL7004 for the beige
(https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/I3UqbNM.png)

i'd be obligated to buy that pink.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:02:22

Quote from: euphxenos on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:44:45

RAL7004 looks more grey than beige to me. I tend to think of beige as being a bit more yellow than that.

Yeah, judging colors based off what they look like on screen isn't the most dependable. I'll probably be looking into getting an RAL booklet here shortly to be more accurate in my color picking, though they're a wee bit pricey.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:04:56

Quote from: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:02:22

Quote from: euphxenos on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:44:45

RAL7004 looks more grey than beige to me. I tend to think of beige as being a bit more yellow than that.

Yeah, judging colors based off what they look like on screen isn't the most dependable, and I'm trying to get the beige closer to like IBM case beige than "normal" beige. I'll probably be looking into getting an RAL booklet here shortly to be more accurate in my color picking, though they're a wee bit pricey.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: captsis on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:18:52

Quote from: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:02:22

Quote from: euphxenos on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:44:45

RAL7004 looks more grey than beige to me. I tend to think of beige as being a bit more yellow than that.

Yeah, judging colors based off what they look like on screen isn't the most dependable. I'll probably be looking into getting an RAL booklet here shortly to be more accurate in my color picking, though they're a wee bit pricey.

Using a non TN panel monitor helps immensely.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:47:35

Quote from: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 00:02:22

Quote from: euphxenos on Tue, 03 April 2018, 23:44:45

RAL7004 looks more grey than beige to me. I tend to think of beige as being a bit more yellow than that.

Yeah, judging colors based off what they look like on screen isn't the most dependable. I'll probably be looking into getting an RAL booklet here shortly to be more accurate in my color picking, though they're a wee bit pricey.

I have to agree that RAL7004 looks more gray also.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 04 April 2018, 02:07:47

I think RAL 9002 seems like beige to my eyes.

(https://i.imgur.com/BI81aCD.png)

Btw, will there be an option for coil length? Would be weird if the coil is longer than a board itself (60%, 65% boards).

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: schmoktopus on Wed, 04 April 2018, 05:07:11

Is it possible to configure the cables with certain connectors at checkout? I am searching for a fancy micro usb cable for my phone. Only problem is that the connector needs to be fairly slim due to my (Not very well designed) phonecase.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: dblack on Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:17:48

RAL 7004 looks like itll match cherry mods quite well. I may be wrong but 9002 looks a bit light to me.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: dgneo on Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:31:58

(https://i.imgur.com/E6XO52B.png)

Personally a fan of 7032 or 7044, more partial to 7044.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: CommonCurt on Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:57:24

Quote from: dgneo on Wed, 04 April 2018, 09:31:58

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Personally a fan of 7032 or 7044, more partial to 7044.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 16:30:02

Yeah, I'm liking 7044 more now that I look at it more. I'll probably list that as the beige of choice in the GB choices.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 April 2018, 00:02:33

GB will be open at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95028.0 when approved.

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: TalkingTree on Thu, 05 April 2018, 07:57:57

I painted this keyboard with RAL 1013 (Oyster white). OG Beige keycaps are for comparison.

(https://i.imgur.com/HTEuAZR.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/swDzxzK.jpg)

Would you consider that paint for beige?

Title: Re: [IC] OG Coil Cables - Finalizing Color Choices
Post by: EightDiagram on Thu, 05 April 2018, 08:15:02

Quote from: TalkingTree on Thu, 05 April 2018, 07:57:57

I painted this keyboard with RAL 1013 (Oyster white). OG Beige keycaps are for comparison.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/HTEuAZR.jpg)

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(https://i.imgur.com/swDzxzK.jpg)

Would you consider that paint for beige?

Makes sense. I like this.