Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:03:06
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Hello, Ramiel here. I like vintage keyboards.
I bought a lot of vintage keyboards from ebay and Taobao in the recent two years. However, I then realized most vintage keyboards are too large for daily usage. SSK is much more expensive than normal Model M not just because they're more rare, but also more people like smaller keyboards nowadays. So I started buying 60% or 80% custom keyboards from last year.
The look of old Data General Dasher keyboards has always fascinated me. I just came up with the idea of making a 60% custom keyboard with the retro esthetics of dasher keyboard series.
Renders
More
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I'm considering to make a prototype. It must be thick and heavy. Brass plate and large brass weight. MAO bottom case and dark blue ano top case.
What do you think?
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Prototype
(https://i.imgur.com/CTB5dx0.jpg)
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Post by: enrique.aliaga on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:05:26
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Post by: enrique.aliaga on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:09:43
i like the case but not the color....how about raw aluminum?
That white looks gorgeous, IMHO. Besides, it’s truer to the original thing.
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Post by: Techno Trousers on Sat, 05 May 2018, 10:38:50
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Post by: xondat on Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:06:06
Will be interesting to see the design evolve and get cleaned up :thumb:
Post by: Engels on Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:16:12
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Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 05 May 2018, 11:56:31
i like the case but not the color....how about raw aluminum?
That white looks gorgeous, IMHO. Besides, it’s truer to the original thing.
Very cool design! Will you offer more colours?
For now I only have the design and the render. Blue top and white bottom is the only color I would choose for myself. MAO white should be pretty good for the bottom case. I still have no idea if the factory can make the dark blue color I like tho. Will figure it out.
If it goes to the GB stage, there will be more colours for sure.
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Post by: Techno Trousers on Sat, 05 May 2018, 14:07:43
I like the design a lot. I would prefer two tone corian with a brass weight.This is an interesting point. What was the original made of? Metal of some kind?
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Post by: zslane on Sat, 05 May 2018, 16:23:22
I like the design a lot. I would prefer two tone corian with a brass weight.This is an interesting point. What was the original made of? Metal of some kind?
It was almost certainly made from ABS plastic.
Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 05 May 2018, 20:15:32
I like the design a lot. I would prefer two tone corian with a brass weight.This is an interesting point. What was the original made of? Metal of some kind?
It was almost certainly made from ABS plastic.
The keyboard in the first picture is Dasher D1, which is an early model of dasher series. The top panel is painted steel plate. I'm not sure about the white bottom case since I don't happen to own a D1.
I know the bottom cases on D2, D100 and D200 are made from thick plastic tho.
Post by: dc_in_sf on Sat, 05 May 2018, 22:27:38
Post by: schmoktopus on Sun, 06 May 2018, 06:31:33
i like the case but not the color....how about raw aluminum?
That white looks gorgeous, IMHO. Besides, it’s truer to the original thing.
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To me it seems to be more of a beige tone... Beige would be sick too.
Post by: DMacKB on Sun, 06 May 2018, 06:58:55
Any chance you could please support DZ60 split spacebar layouts? Or maybe a way to replace the blue plate?
Here's the DZ60 main plate (B):
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/1_93e92d46-2520-4afc-850e-fc981ef1eb5f_grande.jpg?v=1502153936
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 06 May 2018, 08:05:34
To me it seems to be more of a beige tone... Beige would be sick too.
The museum described the color as cream
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 06 May 2018, 08:21:54
Do want! I saw this machine at the Powerhouse Museum in sydney and immediately googled for cases haha :D
Any chance you could please support DZ60 split spacebar layouts? Or maybe a way to replace the blue plate?
Here's the DZ60 main plate (B):
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1473/3902/products/1_93e92d46-2520-4afc-850e-fc981ef1eb5f_grande.jpg?v=1502153936
The blue plate is just a panel. There's a switch plate inside. I'm still working on the plate design and mounting approach.
I don't want to "support" DZ60 split spacebar layout. Plates cut for each switch are much better than swiss cheese plates. I may order several splitspacebar plates with cheaper materials such as carbon fiber or FR-4. At least I can send you the plate file.
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Post by: Baron on Sun, 06 May 2018, 23:06:07
An HHKB alternate option would make this a must-buy.
this so much
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Post by: beekey on Mon, 07 May 2018, 11:12:04
I'm also a fan of the split space layout and would love to drop in my BananaSplit.
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Post by: Ramiel on Mon, 07 May 2018, 12:05:30
Very cool. Interested in a 60% variant. The plan is that normal 60% PCBs and plates are supported, or will it come with a PCB and plate?
I'm also a fan of the split space layout and would love to drop in my BananaSplit.
The plan is to provide case and plate by default. Case will have two styles, GH60 style and 7u HHKB style.
The plate will be top mounted so normal 60% plate won't be supported. Oh wait, maybe it can?
Normal 60% PCB will be supported but I may provide hot swappable PCBs in blue color as extra parts.
Seems there are a lot of work to do LOL
Post by: Baron on Mon, 07 May 2018, 13:48:10
Seems there are a lot of work to do LOL
dont worry, more time for everyone to save up money loool
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Post by: Ramiel on Thu, 10 May 2018, 18:01:08
It will add a little cost but it will make the design closer to perfect. In this way I can modify the connector position similar to the OG design like this:
(https://i.imgur.com/FJ4F7ds.png)
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Thu, 10 May 2018, 18:52:08
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Post by: Tarienn on Thu, 10 May 2018, 19:24:37
I'm VERY interested!
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Post by: Ramiel on Fri, 11 May 2018, 08:29:59
alps support?
The case will support both tray mount and top mount.
The plates I'm gonna provide are top mount MX only plates. The PCB will be hot swappable and MX only.
ALPS is supported if you are able to source the pcb and tray mount plate by yourself. They are available on the market afaik.
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Post by: Baron on Sun, 13 May 2018, 11:24:37
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Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 13 May 2018, 11:45:02
could it maybe have some logo in the top right like the original?i think it would look a lot cleaner without the logoShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/UO8kpki.png)
Post by: PernusBernus on Sun, 13 May 2018, 13:08:26
could it maybe have some logo in the top right like the original?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UO8kpki.png)
a minimalist version of that logo would be nice
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 13 May 2018, 13:13:02
could it maybe have some logo in the top right like the original?
i think it would look a lot cleaner without the logo
a minimalist version of that logo would be nice
I do plan to order some stickers like this. It's not considered as a part of this project tho.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Sun, 13 May 2018, 13:42:32
could it maybe have some logo in the top right like the original?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UO8kpki.png)
Could there be any legal issues?
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Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 13 May 2018, 14:04:03
Could there be any legal issues?
Maybe? The legal issue is a concern to me because I know nothing about it. Data General company has been long gone tho.
I said the stickers won't be considered as a part of the project just because of this reason.
I will make some stickers for myself. I'm pretty sure that's legal at least.
Post by: Ramiel on Mon, 14 May 2018, 12:54:42
(https://i.imgur.com/FJ4F7ds.png)
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Post by: elfick on Mon, 14 May 2018, 14:32:19
Did you consider having the connector recessed and just having a slot for the cable to run out like the original (having a slot, I'm guessing the original cable was soldered or crimped).Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/hl5XJg6.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FJ4F7ds.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/4T96rGs.png)
Post by: Ramiel on Mon, 14 May 2018, 15:40:36
Did you consider having the connector recessed and just having a slot for the cable to run out like the original (having a slot, I'm guessing the original cable was soldered or crimped).
Yes, I have considered hiding the cable connector under the case. The cable will be still detachable.
However, the slot under the case must be large enough to support all possible connectors. I don't think it's a good idea to cut a slot large enough for Yarbo connectors.
Post by: Lormania on Sun, 20 May 2018, 18:27:10
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Post by: adamcobabe on Tue, 12 June 2018, 05:57:23
would buy had it been a full size, love the colors
Yeah, I'm sad it's not full size like the original. Cool project though. I love retro-style projects.
Post by: Lormania on Thu, 14 June 2018, 11:39:43
Post by: kimwonsik on Thu, 14 June 2018, 21:15:06
I decided to buy it.
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Thu, 14 June 2018, 22:48:28
I like the size
That’s what she...
Sorry, couldn’t help it.
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Post by: PernusBernus on Fri, 15 June 2018, 08:54:58
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 15 June 2018, 09:03:13
will there be iso support?+1 for ISO
Post by: RSC on Sat, 16 June 2018, 04:28:50
+2 for ISOwill there be iso support?+1 for ISO
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Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 14 July 2018, 05:23:01
Any updates on this?
I have made two prototypes but they all have problems. The first one's height was not correct. The second one's bottom was too thin. It will come out eventually but only after I have a perfect prototype.
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Post by: Ramiel on Tue, 17 July 2018, 05:54:14
Will the blue insert have colour options?
Every aluminum part will have multiple colour options.
Post by: Ramiel on Tue, 17 July 2018, 05:58:32
ISO support?
split spacebar support would be nice.
The case will support almost all of the 60% PCBs in theory. I can't provide too many plate options. You can use third-party PCBs and plates with standoffs tho
Post by: _ODIN_ on Tue, 17 July 2018, 09:27:43
Nice!ISO support?split spacebar support would be nice.
The case will support almost all of the 60% PCBs in theory. I can't provide too many plate options. You can use third-party PCBs and plates with standoffs tho
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Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 07 September 2018, 07:02:29
yes 65 % !+100000000000
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sat, 08 September 2018, 12:02:14
The OG has a space-bar only bottom row, a more modern approximation would be the HHKB layout.
You could also consider the CA 66 layout for HHKB + 65%. I think it would also look nicer/closer to the OG's full size.
Personally I like both 65% as well as 60%, however with 60% you have better PCB compatibility and cost savings...
Post by: Zilleon on Sun, 09 September 2018, 00:22:09
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Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 22 September 2018, 12:18:28
65% or HHKB layout would be nice..
The OG has a space-bar only bottom row, a more modern approximation would be the HHKB layout.
You could also consider the CA 66 layout for HHKB + 65%. I think it would also look nicer/closer to the OG's full size.
Personally I like both 65% as well as 60%, however with 60% you have better PCB compatibility and cost savings...
CA66 layout is very nice but I don't want to risk being called a copycat. I don't think copying layout is wrong but I know someone disagrees.
I like 60% over 65% cause the last column keys on 65% can be accidentally pressed.
Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 22 September 2018, 12:19:47
Any progress here?
I'm still waiting for the second proto
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 22 September 2018, 12:58:10
The proto will obviously be a 60% but can we expect this to change to a 65% keyboard? Many people requested it (me included)?Any progress here?
I'm still waiting for the second proto
Great to hear back from you!
Post by: Zilleon on Tue, 25 September 2018, 10:16:35
I much prefer 60% :)The proto will obviously be a 60% but can we expect this to change to a 65% keyboard? Many people requested it (me included)?Any progress here?
I'm still waiting for the second proto
Great to hear back from you!
Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 29 September 2018, 11:55:35
The proto will obviously be a 60% but can we expect this to change to a 65% keyboard? Many people requested it (me included)?Any progress here?
I'm still waiting for the second proto
Great to hear back from you!
I really don't want to discard the current 60% version and change it to 65%. I've ordered two prototypes for D60. The first one had a lot of problems. All the problems have been fixed in the second prototype. Also, I have a source for hot-swappable 60% PCBs and they don't have 65% versions rn. Changing to 65% is too risky and unnecessary for me.
Post by: Ramiel on Sat, 29 September 2018, 12:03:24
(https://i.imgur.com/vm5vLwF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BhZrzdN.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Sw1AQuZ.jpg)
Here are some photos of the second prototype. The first one was totally wrong.
Fox-lab was kind enough to make the second one for me. The bottom case is in the new e-white color.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sat, 29 September 2018, 12:07:12
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/llfpKrk.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vm5vLwF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/BhZrzdN.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/rour3Jl.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Sw1AQuZ.jpg)
:cool:
Here are some photos of the second prototype. The first one was totally wrong.
Fox-lab was kind enough to make the second one for me. The bottom case is in the new e-white color.
Post by: bluesclera on Sat, 29 September 2018, 12:09:01
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Post by: beekey on Sat, 29 September 2018, 23:23:02
i want to split space bar+1
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 30 September 2018, 10:54:00
In my opinion, slightly more recessed caps, so that a few millimetres of their base is in the body of the keyboard, would be even better.
Totally agree. I would put the base of the keycaps about 1.5mm below the surface of the blue border section.... maybe even more. Can you give us a photo of just straight on? Like what you would see if you were seated in front of the board and typing on it? Also, are there plans for any kind of badge in the top right? I feel like it needs something.
Post by: Starius on Sun, 30 September 2018, 11:20:46
In my opinion, slightly more recessed caps, so that a few millimetres of their base is in the body of the keyboard, would be even better.
Totally agree. I would put the base of the keycaps about 1.5mm below the surface of the blue border section.... maybe even more. Can you give us a photo of just straight on? Like what you would see if you were seated in front of the board and typing on it? Also, are there plans for any kind of badge in the top right? I feel like it needs something.
I concur with these sentiments!
Post by: RivieraS on Sun, 30 September 2018, 11:43:01
+2i want to split space bar+1
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Post by: Baron on Sun, 30 September 2018, 12:40:36
i want to split space bar
there isnt much in the category of blanks that i know of for splitting and keeping a dasher set on it
is there any kit or any unsculpted dasher stuff for that?
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 30 September 2018, 14:13:23
In my opinion, slightly more recessed caps, so that a few millimetres of their base is in the body of the keyboard, would be even better.
Totally agree. I would put the base of the keycaps about 1.5mm below the surface of the blue border section.... maybe even more. Can you give us a photo of just straight on? Like what you would see if you were seated in front of the board and typing on it? Also, are there plans for any kind of badge in the top right? I feel like it needs something.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y9k2TaY.jpg)
Here is the side view. The bottom of the keycaps is aligned with the edge.
I'm planning to order some stickers.
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 30 September 2018, 14:19:46
+3 for split spacebar
i want to split space bar
+2i want to split space bar+1
i want to split space bar+1
This is a universal 60% case. There won't be a split spacebar pcb but it's possible to have a split space plate option. Which layout do you want? The DZ60 spacebar layout?
Post by: Ramiel on Sun, 30 September 2018, 14:21:15
i want to split space bar
there isnt much in the category of blanks that i know of for splitting and keeping a dasher set on it
is there any kit or any unsculpted dasher stuff for that?
I guess not everyone wants to choose the og dasher colorway and put SA dasher/dancer caps on it. There will be multiple color options.
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 02 October 2018, 23:15:02
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Post by: Starius on Wed, 03 October 2018, 06:49:38
(Cause I know I would.)
Post by: helix999 on Wed, 03 October 2018, 10:16:58
Who else would love to see a version of this board that had a 96 key layout?
Absolutely... 96 or 1800 layout would be fantastic.
Post by: Starius on Wed, 03 October 2018, 10:39:48
Who else would love to see a version of this board that had a 96 key layout?
Absolutely... 96 or 1800 layout would be fantastic.
I didn't even think about the 1800 layout. You're right, that would be awesome too.
Post by: KeyCap75 on Thu, 04 October 2018, 01:11:31
Who else would love to see a version of this board that had a 96 key layout?
Absolutely... 96 or 1800 layout would be fantastic.
I didn't even think about the 1800 layout. You're right, that would be awesome too.
vote for 1800 :thumb:
Post by: beekey on Thu, 04 October 2018, 01:16:14
Yes DZ60 would be nice. For me, I only need a 2.25,1.25,2.75 split space, then I'm happy. :)+3 for split spacebari want to split space bar+2i want to split space bar+1i want to split space bar+1
This is a universal 60% case. There won't be a split spacebar pcb but it's possible to have a split space plate option. Which layout do you want? The DZ60 spacebar layout?
Post by: Ramiel on Thu, 04 October 2018, 07:28:40
What's the hight of the front site of the keyboard?
22mm without rubber feet
Post by: Ramiel on Thu, 04 October 2018, 07:30:30
Can you post a picture of the supported layout?
This is just a case. You can use most 60% PCBs you can find.
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 04 October 2018, 07:46:23
Post by: Ramiel on Wed, 10 October 2018, 15:21:18
I thought you mentioned you're doing 65% for this GB?
unfortunately I didn't
Post by: Ramiel on Wed, 10 October 2018, 15:22:12
It looks better with stickers
Post by: zwartho on Wed, 10 October 2018, 15:31:46
I agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickers
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 10 October 2018, 18:09:17
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 10 October 2018, 18:59:41
+1I agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickers
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 10 October 2018, 19:00:24
Post by: Ramiel on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:12:55
I agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickers
imo a badge will be even better.
+1I agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickers
What shape and position do you guys want the badge to be?
Post by: Ramiel on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:14:37
Looks fantastic. When will this GB start?
After I figure out the sticker/badge problem.
Post by: _ODIN_ on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:18:41
Top rightI agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickersimo a badge will be even better.+1I agree. It definitely looks better with the sicker imo, but I think the final product should have a badge instead.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/6Pef5lP.jpg)
It looks better with stickers
What shape and position do you guys want the badge to be?
Post by: mkarlsson on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:21:22
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Post by: Ramiel on Fri, 12 October 2018, 12:37:57
Top right, like the original.
As close to the original as possible.
That's also what I was thinking of. The problem is the color limitation of the aluminum/brass badge. The sticker can have multiple colors but the badge can only have one. I printed some stickers with different colors to match the colors of cases and they look good. I don't know how the single color badge will look like. I'll do a render and see.
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:27:29
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:36:36
Any progress here? I'm waiting impatiently for the GB.
It’s open now...
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 25 October 2018, 19:59:08
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