Post by: Pavilions on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:31:08
do you use a wrist rest?
Post by: killyou on Wed, 18 July 2018, 11:41:56
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Wed, 18 July 2018, 15:05:44
My Leopold with the legs down has perhaps a 1 or 1.5 degree angle. The Pok3r which has a fixed angle is maybe 3 or 4 degrees. It makes a big difference in typing feel which I've only realized recently. It is also much healthier for your wrists.
Post by: Pavilions on Wed, 18 July 2018, 16:17:54
I prefer to use it with the legs down. It feels more sturdy with the case supporting the board and I prefer the lower angle.
My Leopold with the legs down has perhaps a 1 or 1.5 degree angle. The Pok3r which has a fixed angle is maybe 3 or 4 degrees. It makes a big difference in typing feel which I've only realized recently. It is also much healthier for your wrists.
is it preferable for a high angle keyboard to use a wrist rest or not?
Post by: rich1051414 on Wed, 18 July 2018, 23:08:48
This is how I like it anyway.
I would rather have a wrist rest and feet kicked out, but if I have no wrist rest, then I drop the feet and lay it flat.
Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 19 July 2018, 01:26:54
If you have em, use reverse tilt feet (they'd be on the front side of your keyboard), those are good for you. Definitely don't use regular (back of the board) feet, it forces you to bend your fingers at an unnatural angle and increases fatigue. Reverse tilt or nothing, no wrist rest.
Post by: 4sStylZ on Thu, 19 July 2018, 03:50:14
At home : I don’t have the same keyboard, just a lenovo thinkpad keyboard and I hate using it without the legs deployed. I can’t reach the top of the keyboard, I don’t feel good without. It’s strange.
Post by: Kevadu on Thu, 19 July 2018, 04:32:18
That said no matter how much you try to convince me that an angled board is somehow unnatural it feels like the most natural thing in the world to me. Maybe I've just been typing that way too long but I also don't find anything remotely uncomfortable about it so I don't see why I should stop. It's flat boards that feel weird to me...
Post by: jcoffin1981 on Thu, 19 July 2018, 15:49:31
Never use a wrist wrest because I had proper typing posture drilled into me and you're really not supposed to be putting your wrists down in the first place. In fact I kind of like relatively tall boards with no wrist rest because the temptation isn't even there. You wouldn't even be able to reach the keys if you put your wrists down.Any change feels awkward at first. I have bad carpal tunnel which induces numbness and pain in my fingers. By making several ergonomic adjustments I've improved my symptoms by 90 percent. Raise your chair as high as possible this will make flat more comfortable. With the right height and technique fatigue and pain go away and accuracy and speed improve. My typing tests have gone from 55 -60 wpm to 70-75 or greater and I continue to improve I can also type for longer sessions.
That said no matter how much you try to convince me that an angled board is somehow unnatural it feels like the most natural thing in the world to me. Maybe I've just been typing that way too long but I also don't find anything remotely uncomfortable about it so I don't see why I should stop. It's flat boards that feel weird to me...
If the board is too high u compensate by raising the legs try temporarily sitting on a phonebook or the like. Hurts ur asus but it's just an experiment. At the right height you won't have to rest your wrists and your shoulder err s won't fatigue.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 19 July 2018, 15:54:10
I do however use a wrist rest with my mouse.
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Post by: hikashi1988 on Thu, 19 July 2018, 21:39:47
with wrist rest just to support the hand so that it is less fatigue on long hour coding / writing section. :D
Post by: Entropia on Fri, 20 July 2018, 05:04:10
Post by: Findecanor on Fri, 20 July 2018, 05:35:51
I have an old dislike for "wrist rests" because of crappy Microsoft keyboards I tried back in the late '90s: the wrist "rests" were too slanted to be able to rest my wrists on them: my wrists always slid off.
BTW, I use Cherry profile keycaps. I could use low-profile keyboards like this without wrist rests. If I had been using high-profile keycaps (SA or similar) then I would probably need a (proper flat wrist rest.
Back in the early-mid '90s when I used Amigas with built-in keyboards that did have a higher angle, I did use to flip the feet up on external keyboards when I had to use them.
Post by: daneb on Fri, 20 July 2018, 06:15:40
2) Wrist rest - Yes. Before I came back to historical keyboards/keyboards with higher body, I did not use wrist rest (I was using low-profile keyboards e.g. apple magic keyboard, where wrist rest is not necessary) After I did though and started to test mechanical keyboards including old ones, the inconvenience of typing position for my hands struck me immediately. The key level was suddenly too high above the desk.
I usually maintain proper "ergo" position of my hands with wrists floating freely above keyboard (not supporting them by rest or desk while writing) but yet still I needed to rest my wrists in between writings or sometimes I like to change my writing position due to monotony and resting wrists on a pad while writing. So I started to use wrist pad which I made myself from old piece of wood. I do not mind that it is hard, I like the touch feeling more than soft (silicone) one I owned historically. And it is also important to rest your hands on your "palm belly/thumb belly", never on the wrist itself (on tendons), otherwise you also risk CTS. I cannot imagine using higher-profile (or traditional) keyboards without wrist rest now.
Post by: killyou on Fri, 20 July 2018, 10:22:19
1) Feet - No. I think it is very inconvenient for hand/arm muscles and stretches them uselessly, thus increasing risk of CTS (almost all articles about CTS recommend flat or even negative keyboard slope)
2) Wrist rest - Yes. Before I came back to historical keyboards/keyboards with higher body, I did not use wrist rest (I was using low-profile keyboards e.g. apple magic keyboard, where wrist rest is not necessary) After I did though and started to test mechanical keyboards including old ones, the inconvenience of typing position for my hands struck me immediately. The key level was suddenly too high above the desk.
I usually maintain proper "ergo" position of my hands with wrists floating freely above keyboard (not supporting them by rest or desk while writing) but yet still I needed to rest my wrists in between writings or sometimes I like to change my writing position due to monotony and resting wrists on a pad while writing. So I started to use wrist pad which I made myself from old piece of wood. I do not mind that it is hard, I like the touch feeling more than soft (silicone) one I owned historically. And it is also important to rest your hands on your "palm belly/thumb belly", never on the wrist itself (on tendons), otherwise you also risk CTS. I cannot imagine using higher-profile (or traditional) keyboards without wrist rest now.
Is it really proper position to hover the hands over keyboard with no support for the wrists?
Post by: daneb on Fri, 20 July 2018, 12:15:27
1) Feet - No. I think it is very inconvenient for hand/arm muscles and stretches them uselessly, thus increasing risk of CTS (almost all articles about CTS recommend flat or even negative keyboard slope)
2) Wrist rest - Yes. Before I came back to historical keyboards/keyboards with higher body, I did not use wrist rest (I was using low-profile keyboards e.g. apple magic keyboard, where wrist rest is not necessary) After I did though and started to test mechanical keyboards including old ones, the inconvenience of typing position for my hands struck me immediately. The key level was suddenly too high above the desk.
I usually maintain proper "ergo" position of my hands with wrists floating freely above keyboard (not supporting them by rest or desk while writing) but yet still I needed to rest my wrists in between writings or sometimes I like to change my writing position due to monotony and resting wrists on a pad while writing. So I started to use wrist pad which I made myself from old piece of wood. I do not mind that it is hard, I like the touch feeling more than soft (silicone) one I owned historically. And it is also important to rest your hands on your "palm belly/thumb belly", never on the wrist itself (on tendons), otherwise you also risk CTS. I cannot imagine using higher-profile (or traditional) keyboards without wrist rest now.
Is it really proper position to hover the hands over keyboard with no support for the wrists?
I would say so. Many articles about ergonomics support this, e.g. https://www.daskeyboard.com/blog/desk-ergonomics-for-improved-posture-and-typing-speed/
("Avoid using a wrist rest or armrest while actively typing as this can cause the wrists to bend, placing unnecessary strain on them. ")
But as I said, I sometimes rest them during writing, just for changing position/reducing monotony which definitely also increase strain.
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Post by: Blaise170 on Wed, 25 July 2018, 10:28:22
I've always been able to type significantly faster and more accurately with a flatter angle for whatever reason. Never used a wrist rest though, as I've never felt the need to.
Probably because it's a more natural position for your hands.
Post by: invariance on Wed, 25 July 2018, 12:04:20
Hmm, I should try giving the MTek I have out at the moment a negative tilt
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Post by: RehnMan on Wed, 25 July 2018, 12:48:00
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Post by: invariance on Wed, 25 July 2018, 18:22:29
To even raise my keyboard, I'd have to completely disassemble it again and then screw the feet into the bottom case half.
First world problems. :)
Post by: rxc92 on Wed, 25 July 2018, 21:47:23
To even raise my keyboard, I'd have to completely disassemble it again and then screw the feet into the bottom case half.
First world problems. :)
Or maybe he/she could just put something underneath the board. Gosh darn, how hard would that be?
Post by: captsis on Thu, 26 July 2018, 06:12:33
But if you have bad technique to begin with your screwed anyways :))
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Post by: rxc92 on Thu, 26 July 2018, 10:08:30
I have been trying to figure out how it is possible to hover your hands over the keyboard for a day of typing without getting neck and back spasms?
Helps if you increase the height of your chair or lower your keyboard so it's under your natural wrist position. I've never had a problem, it's certainly less fatiguing than the alternative.
Post by: Blaise170 on Thu, 26 July 2018, 10:37:56
Or maybe he/she could just put something underneath the board. Gosh darn, how hard would that be?
What exactly are you going to put under a keyboard to raise it that won't make it slide around? Anyways, I hate feet and will never be installing them onto my board.
Post by: rich1051414 on Thu, 26 July 2018, 19:58:28
A wrist rest.Or maybe he/she could just put something underneath the board. Gosh darn, how hard would that be?
What exactly are you going to put under a keyboard to raise it that won't make it slide around? Anyways, I hate feet and will never be installing them onto my board.
I couldn't resist and it would work.
Post by: ag36 on Thu, 26 July 2018, 20:51:46
Post by: JianYang on Fri, 27 July 2018, 00:44:56
I have been trying to figure out how it is possible to hover your hands over the keyboard for a day of typing without getting neck and back spasms?
Helps if you increase the height of your chair or lower your keyboard so it's under your natural wrist position. I've never had a problem, it's certainly less fatiguing than the alternative.
Yeah, I am pretty sure that my ergonomics in terms of the heights are correct, but that does not reduce shoulder strain. Hovering hands do feel a lot better on my hands, but if I were to do that for more than an hour a day, I will end up in physiotherapy.
Post by: firezlife on Fri, 27 July 2018, 20:05:02
Post by: rxc92 on Sat, 28 July 2018, 14:48:37
Yeah, I am pretty sure that my ergonomics in terms of the heights are correct, but that does not reduce shoulder strain. Hovering hands do feel a lot better on my hands, but if I were to do that for more than an hour a day, I will end up in physiotherapy.
Perhaps you have some sort of physical issue or are not doing it properly? I'm not sure, haven't heard of anyone who suffered from doing proper keyboarding..