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Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:10:23

what are your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x if you are using caps lock instead of control?

CNTR+z - 5 + 4
CNTR+x - 5 + 3
CNTR+c - 5 + 2
CNTR+v - 5 + 2

or

CNTR+z - 5 + 4
CNTR+x - 5 + 4
CNTR+c - 5 + 3
CNTR+v - 5 + 2

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:14:54

For either Ctrl position, I use my pinky on Ctrl and my index to press C, V, etc.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:21:56

and for c without control u still use index finger? or next to it finger?

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:29:46

I just feel sorry for Mac users who have to use Command for everything. For the most important key in the Mac OS, they picked a stupid place to put it :p

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: itlnstln on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:30:11

I press the C key with my index finger at all times.  This might be bad typing form on my part, though.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: microsoft windows on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:31:10

For those key strokes, I prefer the conventional Ctrl location.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:37:48

Quote from: itlnstln;177005

I press the C key with my index finger at all times.  This might be bad typing form on my part, though.

Make sense to me, I use pinky and second as well. Far more comfortable from the real position because you don't have to do a contortionist act for stuff like Ctrl - S

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:41:03

so middle finger for cntr+S?

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ch_123 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:49:19

'Cue', even.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: nanu on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:51:15

Quote from: test157;176993

CNTR+z - 5 + 4
CNTR+x - 5 + 3
CNTR+c - 5 + 2
CNTR+v - 5 + 2

or

CNTR+z - 5 + 4
CNTR+x - 5 + 4
CNTR+c - 5 + 3
CNTR+v - 5 + 2

looks like a bunch of unsimplified math to me i don't know what you're trying to say whats with the 5 on every line

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:53:57

5 = Pinky finger
4 = Next to pinky
3 = middle finger
2 = index finger

so CNTR+v - 5 + 2 means that to press CNTR+V you are using Pinky + Index Finger

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: kishy on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:56:49

What's a CNTR key?

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:57:44

Control?

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: didjamatic on Wed, 28 April 2010, 16:59:55

Ctrl+z - 1 + 1
Ctrl+x - 1 + 1
Ctrl+c - 1 + 1
Ctrl+v - 1 + 1

j/k.  I use pinky for Ctrl, ring for Z, middle for X, index for C and V

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Wed, 28 April 2010, 17:02:11

Quote from: ripster;177030

Hint:  This is the guitarist version.

Show Image

(http://www.pjk302.org/musical_resources/guitar_lessons/classical/lessons/start/basic/images/hands1.gif)

Looks like it's the version I used:
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Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: kishy on Wed, 28 April 2010, 17:10:16

Quote from: test157;177036

Control?

I know, I was poking fun at how it was referenced quite incorrectly in the OP.

Poking fun, not trying to be a nuisance, but I bet I did that too.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 29 April 2010, 06:24:58

Quote from: ch_123;177003

I just feel sorry for Mac users who have to use Command for everything. For the most important key in the Mac OS, they picked a stupid place to put it :p

Aack! Not having access to the "command" key as my main modifier key is my biggest headache when I'm on Windows. I think the command key spot is a much better spot for the main modifier key because you can use your thumb to hold it down.

It's only a stupid location if you use your pinky to hit it. If you use your thumb, it's actually way easier than using a pinky on any of the modifier keys because it's pretty close to home position for your thumb and since your four fingers share some common musculature, your reach and dexterity is affected if any one of them needs to be used to hold down a button while you reach with the other ones.

To the OP, this will seem funny, but I do have CTRL mapped to my caps lock, but I usually use the pinky CTRL reach for common CTRL commands because I'm so used to it and also I find it easier to on my hands when doing shortcuts with my left hand only. If I do shortcuts with my right hand, I use the caps lock remapped CTRL key because then it's less stressful for my hands.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ch_123 on Thu, 29 April 2010, 06:27:34

The problem with using your thumb is that it requires you to take your hand out of the usual typing position moreso than is necessary. The Caps Lock key would be a much more useful place for it.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: Mental Hobbit on Thu, 29 April 2010, 06:53:50

Don't know about OS X, but the classic MacOS had the most common functions such as copy&paste on F-keys too. Isn't this kinda what F-keys are for? After ten years on Win, I still roll my eyes every time I have to create a new folder via mouse menu.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 29 April 2010, 07:13:34

Quote from: ch_123;177194

The problem with using your thumb is that it requires you to take your hand out of the usual typing position moreso than is necessary. The Caps Lock key would be a much more useful place for it.

I guess it depends on what keyboard you're using, but my hands rest very comfortably on home row with my thumb on the command key on just about any current day board I can think of. I don't have any vintage boards to compare against.

On the caps lock, the position is ok. It's better in some ways and not as good in other ways. I'd still prefer using my thumb because it's a stronger appendage and using it won't amplify flexor tendon tension because of the lack of shared musculature with the other fingers. My hands hurt when I overuse the capslock control key.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: hyperlinked on Thu, 29 April 2010, 07:20:11

CH, you know what also matters is hand positioning. I'm just now realizing that I use a slightly altered hand position. My forearms are angled in like I'm using an ergo keyboard, but I adust for the offset in finger positioning by extending some fingers more than others. This lets me rest my thumb straight over the command key without any reach.

My hands move a lot when I type. I don't leave home row much, my hands and elbows pivot all the time to change the angle of reach depending what I'm doing.

If I adopt a standard typing posture where your hands are supposed to be parallel on the keys, the command key is indeed hard to reach.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: kishy on Thu, 29 April 2010, 07:50:49

Quote from: Mental Hobbit;177196

Don't know about OS X, but the classic MacOS had the most common functions such as copy&paste on F-keys too. Isn't this kinda what F-keys are for? After ten years on Win, I still roll my eyes every time I have to create a new folder via mouse menu.

F-keys were application-based (running application dictated what they did) for the longest time and it's something I'd like to see make a comeback. Probably won't, though.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: D-EJ915 on Thu, 29 April 2010, 21:13:46

I use my index finger and pinky (on caps lock key).  Just a holdover from gaming and browsing the web lol.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: aegrotatio on Fri, 30 April 2010, 09:54:39

My pinky has been using the caps lock for control for so many years it's reflexive.  Unfortunatly it means I'm left trying to find keyboards that have full-width caps lock keys.

This cramps my style as I have yet to find a full-width caps lock for my extensive Model M collection.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 04 May 2010, 08:32:11

I use my pinky for Ctrl, and index for C. Sometimes I use my index for X, sometimes my middle finger.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ironcoder on Tue, 04 May 2010, 08:40:25

I was taught to use the left thumb on control and the index finger for C or X, etc. Works for me.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: hyperlinked on Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:05:22

Quote from: ironcoder;178771

I was taught to use the left thumb on control and the index finger for C or X, etc. Works for me.

Ouch! You must have long fingers. That's a hell of a long reach. Doesn't that hurt after a while? Even just the reach for my thumb on the Apple command key makes my thumb hurt sometimes. I started substituting my own alternates for command key shortcuts until I realized that I could get my flexor tendons to hurt even faster than I could get my thumb to hurt by relying on the CTRL key in place of the commmand key.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: ironcoder on Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:25:59

Does it hurt? I have no idea. I've been at it so long I have no feeling in my hands.

In all seriousness I don't notice it at all.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: TheSoulhunter on Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:34:44

Humm... Ctrl: Pinky, X: Middle, C: Index

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: noctua on Tue, 04 May 2010, 10:49:32

i type ctrl ever with smallest finger (4 or d), then dependend on action..
 - x (2)
 - c (1)
 - v (1)

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: zXWF on Tue, 04 May 2010, 11:00:02

Thumb for "Alt", smallest finger for "Ctrl"

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: kishy on Tue, 04 May 2010, 11:10:37

CTRL: Left pinky...pinkie?
Modified key: left index, regardless of which key, supposing it's left of about the Y/H/B "column".

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: test157 on Tue, 04 May 2010, 14:00:17

if you all use index finger for C button, so what is your finger for S and D key when you use it with Control key?

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: kishy on Tue, 04 May 2010, 14:06:37

Quote from: test157;178889

if you all use index finger for C button, so what is your finger for S and D key when you use it with Control key?

Same...

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: D-EJ915 on Tue, 04 May 2010, 19:08:33

ahahaha F5

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
Post by: bhtooefr on Tue, 04 May 2010, 19:57:17

There also needs to be a P, for saying things are CP.

Title: What are Your fingers for CNTR+c and CNTR+x
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