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Title: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 December 2018, 14:33:10: Gotta get dat Contrast Setting Right .. !!

Doin' CRT

U need Dual-Towel, because single is not dark enough.

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The Official way to watch Batman TAS Bluray (recently released)..

CRT is the only Batman approved Monitor to reproduce that Inky Cape and fast motion kicking...

Left $15 Crt, Right $800 Dell u2410.

Frame excerpt from Ending

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Fri, 07 December 2018, 19:06:56: Woah.. Chk this out..

4715 to 1 Contrast ratio in Srgb

0.017cd blacks..

Such balanced blacks..

LCDs can go suck it..

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 December 2018, 02:49:39: Hrrrrrrrrrm.... the SRGB tone curve doesn't look as good as the Gamma 2.2 tone curve.. .. Well.. it's actually pretty close but G2.2 is darker around black.. more depth-y.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 December 2018, 03:30:31: Man, look at this.. CRT black lvl is Perfection.

$15 CRT on the left ($150 in 2003ish)

$800 Dell u2410 on the right..

Not even close... We've given up the greatest technology..

This is the next vinyl.. ANALOG

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: Coreda on Sat, 08 December 2018, 04:03:26: Some day I'll experience a good CRT with high Hz. Right now though I'll just live through tp's excited display postings :-*
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 December 2018, 04:19:01: Quote from: Coreda on Sat, 08 December 2018, 04:03:26
Some day I'll experience a good CRT with high Hz. Right now though I'll just live through tp's excited display postings :-*

These monitors are everywhere for $10

Look at this measurement report.. You can Buy and Own infinity this weekend.

The contrast ratio in Gamma 2.2, even better than Srgb

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Flat 6500k Color temperature tracking

Flat 2.2 Gamma tracking

$15 left, $800 right

The first dot for the crt is missing, because it's actually Black..

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+/- 5% RGB grey balance

Missing first dot.. again, Black. !!

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 08 December 2018, 06:02:39: The Official way to watch Batman TAS Bluray (recently released)..

CRT is the only Batman approved Monitor to reproduce that Inky Cape...

Left $15 Crt, Right $800 Dell u2410.

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 09 December 2018, 05:10:33: Oh man.. Tough Decisions..

Choices:

4:3/5:4 aspect, compressible to 16:9

1024x768 85hz - low resolution, low flash

1280x1024 60hz - max total resolution, high flash

16:9 aspect

1280x720 75hz - med resolution, medium flash

1366x768 60hz - max horizontal resolution, high flash
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: Coreda on Sun, 09 December 2018, 23:41:08: Depends how susceptible you are to it. Lower hz always gave me headaches when I had a CRT (which I only later found was the cause).
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 10 December 2018, 01:45:51: Quote from: Coreda on Sun, 09 December 2018, 23:41:08
Depends how susceptible you are to it. Lower hz always gave me headaches when I had a CRT (which I only later found was the cause).

I've found that low hz is a problem with static images..

When watching moving films, it's been mostly ok..

I don't intend to waste any phosphor browsing the web..

This will be a strict Movie monitor. Watched Venom on it today, so dark..

Calibrated my even older Delta DC-770 yesterday, from 1998..

This one's way better than my newer envision cheapee 2003ish

The DC-770 has 97% srgb gamut, 110cd @ 45% , vs envision, 93% srgb, 110 @ 30%
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 12 December 2018, 15:54:49: $1,400 30inch Dell monitor (left) vs CRT (right).

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 11:51:56: Fixed another Basement CRT.

Emachine 786n

Wouldn't turn on.. with some proding, determined main p0wr cap gone dry.

It's a 400v 150uf.. Tp4 doesn't just have these layn' round..

Got a bunch of 200v caps from old PSU.. Popped one in, Checked the voltz on the cap, goes up to 160v when running..

It works, but obviously that margin is small.. it'd cost $10 though to buy new caps..

Thoughts.. ??

Just live on the Edge... or spend $10,

Remember folks, TP4 just spent $10 on windows 10.. Tp4 not made of moneys..

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 17:20:22: Sigh...............

$6 capacitor $4 shipping..

Sigh..................................

Couldn't find any 400v caps round the house..
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 13 December 2018, 19:29:44: Hrrrrmm, upon m0ar xamin removed capacitor, it's Not thoroughly broken...

3 Possibilities.

:: Something down the line now has enough resistance such that 150uf won't start the beam-gun.

:: The Capacitor spec has deviated too far, ESR/ Capacitance.

:: Both the down-line component degradation in-Conjunction with capacitor deviation result in non-start..

This seems reasonable, because the 200v replacement cap is 830uf (psu pulled) vs the 150uf of 400v (old cap).
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 December 2018, 12:16:57: OMG, it just looks so... RIGHT. !!!

(https://i.imgur.com/iYhiq4W.gif)

This is very much a NEW experience.

It's the combination of 1080p video material
+ Modern video processor
+ Affordable 3Dimension color correction
+ High quality Madvr video scaling
+ CRT (Near perfect Black point, and Motion Clarity)

These items were not available in this combination (average consumer) until quite recently.

Assuming in the mastering studio, they're using super high quality reference monitors.. an AT HOME crt is the closest thing you can get, short of shelling out $1200 for OLED.

EVEN then, OLED simply does not have the motion clarity of CRT.

OLED is extremely blurry when the pictures moves.

On the flat panel side, perhaps the best compromise is a gsync/freesync VA-panel which has blur-reduction..

But why bother, when you can get a CRT for $15-30

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 16 December 2018, 10:28:13: Weeb Cap Arrived !!

Nichicon 450v 150uf GR-series

$10... Sigh...............................

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Says 10000 hour @ peak.. So it should last meh... ~250,000 hours no prob

Monitor boots now..

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Vs Old Cap on right. (HEC)

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 17 December 2018, 12:19:45: Anime really should be xperienced on CRT...

Alot of the older animes especially were made with effects and transitions for CRT in mind..

In various scenes, certain special effects (flashes/explosions) and pan rates are not very suitable to LCD, because of motion blur, slow response time.

CRT has no such limitations. It is the fastest thing out there.

Recommend calibrating to 80cd whites in a 30% white patch.

Many CRTs can get much brighter, but that's not necessarily desirable, because CRT reds at high brightness will bloom a bit, and look pale/greenish/brownish.

The advantage is clear, if you look at the black patches in these photos, they look like HOLES in the screen, extremely deep.

OLED can achieve even deeper blacks, but for that one advantage, the cost to the rest of the visual experience is significant motion blur..

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 December 2018, 09:28:12: Frame excerpt from film "Ladies in Black"

It's the convict town's version of The Devil Wears Prada

When will films cease to misrepresent the CRT... !!

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: Coreda on Wed, 19 December 2018, 11:05:36: Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 December 2018, 12:16:57
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It's so black it honestly looks photoshopped, like the title card has just been superimposed onto the image :p

Looking gud.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 19 December 2018, 11:14:39: Quote from: Coreda on Wed, 19 December 2018, 11:05:36
Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 15 December 2018, 12:16:57
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It's so black it honestly looks photoshopped, like the title card has just been superimposed onto the image :p

Looking gud.

All real.

Tp4 guarantee..

/Rest easy
/Maximum Trust-ness
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 20 December 2018, 20:40:26: Cut up some matte-black cover paper for faux rounded corners.

Year 1981 @ Max feels..

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Viewed at 2 feet.. corners work well.

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High Resolution Close up @ 1 feet

Glass depth makes the corner occlusion less effective

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Ultra Closeup, CRT Pride.. zoom in y'all.. !!
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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Mon, 24 December 2018, 15:12:42: Oh yea.. all that neogeo animation, appropriate on CRT.

Yea, Tp4 traitor, Tp4 play with BRZ img-filtering on.

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: Xonar on Wed, 02 January 2019, 02:15:51: Glad to see someone else here realizes the unquestionable superiority of CRT displays.

I have 4 CRT monitors sitting on my desk that I use daily. I have a Silicon Graphics / Sony GDM-5411 and an Iiyama Vision Master 17 as my main PC displays, and a Sony PVM-20M2E and Ikegami VCM-141H for DVD/VHS/PS2/Sega Genesis. All of them need calibrated, and the SGI could use a recap and convergence strip adjustment.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 02 January 2019, 06:58:52: Quote from: Xonar on Wed, 02 January 2019, 02:15:51
Glad to see someone else here realizes the unquestionable superiority of CRT displays.

I have 4 CRT monitors sitting on my desk that I use daily. I have a Silicon Graphics / Sony GDM-5411 and an Iiyama Vision Master 17 as my main PC displays, and a Sony PVM-20M2E and Ikegami VCM-141H for DVD/VHS/PS2/Sega Genesis. All of them need calibrated, and the SGI could use a recap and convergence strip adjustment.

I thought of putting a big desk together for multi CRT..

But then I recall, this stuff puts out lotza radiation..

Wasn't too sure about potentially baking myself..
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: Xonar on Thu, 03 January 2019, 15:08:58: Quote from: tp4tissue on Wed, 02 January 2019, 06:58:52
I thought of putting a big desk together for multi CRT..

But then I recall, this stuff puts out lotza radiation..

Wasn't too sure about potentially baking myself..

You never have to go out in the sun if your monitors are already giving you a tan :p
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 January 2019, 15:15:05: Quote from: Xonar on Thu, 03 January 2019, 15:08:58

You never have to go out in the sun if your monitors are already giving you a tan :p

Hrrrrrrmmm... theoretically X-ray from CRT is m0ar p0wr than UV tanning..
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 03 January 2019, 16:33:22: what year is it
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Thu, 03 January 2019, 17:37:41: Quote from: ghostjuggernaut on Thu, 03 January 2019, 16:33:22
what year is it

Time Travel... !!

Similar to record players, this is something of an Analog Experience.

However, UNLIKE records which actually have very bad sound fidelity..

Analog CRT has fidelity and repro qualities SUPERIOR to even the most advanced modern displays..

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 January 2019, 19:21:03: How it was Meant to be Played..

The Original HDR

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Look at dat blast of electrical color.. !!

Half-Life 2, Ravenholm
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: SBJ on Sat, 26 January 2019, 23:21:09: Quote from: tp4tissue on Sat, 26 January 2019, 19:21:03
How it was Meant to be Played..

The Original HDR

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Look at dat blast of electrical color.. !!

Half-Life 2, Ravenholm
Oh man now I feel like replaying HL2.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 27 January 2019, 17:21:34: Quote from: StickyBlueJuice on Sat, 26 January 2019, 23:21:09

Oh man now I feel like replaying HL2.

Bust out dat old CRT.. !!
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 06 April 2019, 10:08:27: The Quiet Man (1952), John Wayne

Other than 'murica portraying the Irish as persistently drunk potato eaters, :D .. Good film, slice of life, NOT over-sexualized.

Looks really good-n-classical on CRT.

Chk out dat crt Grain structure..

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 06 April 2019, 14:55:20: CRT edge bleed.

Now, technically, the crt representation is data incorrect.

However, CRT-Enthusiasts tout this Edge-Bleed Effect as a native edge softening/ anti-aliasing.

The image data are 3 solid color boxes of the 255 primaries

CRT, notice there's a slight crossover in color pixels between color edges. A soft edge blend, a living analog image

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LCD, hard edges, no color crossover, (very stern, but technically sharper)

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 06 April 2019, 21:03:31: CRT, A favored Weapon against Doom-Imps

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 07 April 2019, 09:07:17: All About Eve 1950, Bette Davis, Anne Baxter, (Early) Marilyn Monroe.

This film draws from live-plays, relies on dialog, body // facial gestures.

At this point in time, actresses had to do more than be pretty. Overall, they're Quite a bit Older than actresses we'd see today for these roles.

Even on the soft-film + worse cameras, at 27yr old Anne Baxter, looks obachan. If we shot a 27yr old with today's Arri /Dragon, they'd look way way too old.

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1950 Marilyn Monroe, age 24, IMHO, she looks better here in B/W, later on in COLOR, the exaggerated red-lip color she always had really distorted her facial balance. It's much better here on old tech.

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:22:30: IPS = No Bueno.

Same fone setting used on all 3 photos.

Dell u2410, 4000hr monitor, 780:1 calibrated contrast, 99.7% Srgb

Eview 17f2, ~3000hr monitor, ~10,000:1 dark scene contrast, 98.1% Srgb

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 April 2019, 16:33:38: Oh dang, U can sees Sigourney Weaver using Triple CRTs in the film Copycat (1995).

In the movie, she plays a criminal psychologist.

These are considered big monitors for 1995, clearly sony sponsored dis'film.

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 April 2019, 17:25:33: snap.. U can see in this scene, she is hooked up via BNC cables instead of VGA..

As we all know, BNC is much m0ar-Classy than VGA.. !!

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Wed, 17 April 2019, 20:38:58: All this LEXX talk..

When Tp4 looks up @ the stars at night, which is never, Tp4 prefers stars on CRT vs IPS

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 21 April 2019, 01:54:26: Dam Daniel...... you got sum of dat CRT fixation.

Save some geek for the rest of the class.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 April 2019, 03:46:00: Quote from: fanpeople on Sun, 21 April 2019, 01:54:26
Dam Daniel...... you got sum of dat CRT fixation.

Save some geek for the rest of the class.

The world became a worse place after production halt of Leaded Glass.

m0ar Lead, m0ar Glass, M0ar CRT

--Just in case ne1 is concerned bout dem'Xray.

Natural daily exposure of Background Rad is ~34 microrem/hr, Crts meter out to 0.2-0.5 microrem/hr

U r Perfectly SAFE.. !!

(https://i.imgur.com/zkdP3qz.gif)

"associated information excerpt of experimental documentation sponsored by Philips CRT manufacturing, Taiwan"

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Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: SBJ on Sun, 21 April 2019, 05:13:30: Quote from: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 April 2019, 03:46:00
The world became a worse place after production halt of Leaded Glass.

m0ar Lead, m0ar Glass, M0ar CRT

--Just in case ne1 is concerned bout dem'Xray.

Natural daily exposure of Background Rad is ~34 microrem/hr, Crts meter out to 0.2-0.5 microrem/hr

U r Perfectly SAFE.. !!

Show Image
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"associated information excerpt of experimental documentation sponsored by Philips CRT manufacturing, Taiwan"

Show Image
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How about wireless mice? :D Thinkin' 'bout gettin' me one of those bad boys sometime down the line.
All depends on how the MX518 Legendary handles.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: fanpeople on Sun, 21 April 2019, 07:22:38: Used to work with a guy that collected raduoactive glass wares. Your lead does nit scare me. Although the lead is probebly more naughty on the old macromolecules.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: invariance on Sun, 21 April 2019, 08:49:12: Some times I have a pang of remorse for giving away my Metz 80cm 16:9 (Phillips tube).
Unfortunately it had fallen behind the times for out of the box features and was just too big to be able to ‘tuck away in the corner’ until another time.
:( :( :(
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 April 2019, 11:35:04: Quote from: invariance on Sun, 21 April 2019, 08:49:12
Some times I have a pang of remorse for giving away my Metz 80cm 16:9 (Phillips tube).
Unfortunately it had fallen behind the times for out of the box features and was just too big to be able to ‘tuck away in the corner’ until another time.
:( :( :(

Retro shop, buy it back !

Am reminded of the story about a poor mother under duress of a callous husband to give up on their child due to poverty. That husband passed away not long after, and the mother married a wealthier man, yet she could not be happy in this personal luck, as she only thinks about the child she's lost.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sun, 21 April 2019, 19:45:38: If anyone is -interested- in buying the LEXX dvd sets. Don't, because they're terrible quality. Not just the case of low bitrate, the master/ color grading, everything is pretty awful..

Definitely WAIT for a Remastered-collection on this one.
Title: Re: How Calibrate @ Xpert Lvl [ CRT Adventures ]
Post by: tp4tissue on Sat, 18 May 2019, 11:52:46: Anime on CRT, using 2.8 Gamma (instead of 2.4), very deep color, minimal crush.

Lowering gamma really improves the washout from CRT blooming.