Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:30:01
no longer working with alf as of 5/2/19. Will have more info soon.
update: 4/8/19: paid for prototypes from Alf. Should be done in ~20 days?
Oh yeah: And the prototype has been ordered. ;D
Update: 3/29/19
Still waiting to hear back from Alf.
Update: 3/23/19
I sent the files to Alf. Currently waiting for quotes on pricing.
Update: 3/2/19
So I am back again. I've made some minor changes (well not really, they are pretty major). As of right now, unless there are some major pushbacks, I am going to be limiting the options for this GB. It's a small one, at least for the US, so it makes sense to me at least that the fewer options the less chance of either me or the factory making a mistake in the orders. Right now, my plans are for a polycarbonate only GB. There will be a relatively small brass weight in the center.
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Right now I am trying to make two decisions: Whether or not to have WKL blockers. In terms of aesthetics, WKL blockers are really nice. However, it restricts options for more layouts, like a 6.25u spacebar if people want it. Because of this, I am going to let people vote on what they would want. The link can be found in the following Strawpoll. https://www.strawpoll.me/17534211 (https://www.strawpoll.me/17534211)
In addition, I've heard some people say that they would want some cutouts in the plate, in the arrow key area, and underneath the WKL blocker area, if that is the most popular option. The Strawpoll is here. https://www.strawpoll.me/17534621 (https://www.strawpoll.me/17534621)
Like before, this is going to be produced by ALF Studio. The plate files will be open sourced. The PCB is alps and MX compatible, and it supports ISO.
PCB Specs:
MX and Alps compatible. RGB underglow. Split backspace, split right shift, and ISO compatible. Tsangan (aka 7u) bottom row and a standard ansi, (6.25u spacebar) bottom row. It uses mid mount USB Type-C. QMK Compatible.
Case Specs: Gasket mount, like the GSKT-00/356Mini/E6.5. The gasket wraps around the switches, and the gasket rests on protrusions in the case. The top case sandwiches the plate and the bottom half together, with the gasket in between the plate and the bottom housing. To avoid stripping of the polycarbonate case, and for general aesthetics, the board will use inserts for the screws.
RENDERS (done by the wonderful Tesletron):
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If you have any questions, please ask them!
Old IC here, with some old rendersHey all! This is Lbibass here, and I am happy to announce a new keyboard that I have been working on for the last couple of weeks. The BnB87.
This is a gasket mount TKL manufactured by ALF and designed by me. It uses a gasket mount similar to what the 356mini used, with a gasket wrapping around the switches, and the gasket resting on protrusions in the bottom case. It will use a 6.6º angle. These BEAUTIFUL renders are by Tesletron.
Options for plates will include half plates and full plates. Still deciding on layout support and the material, but for sure the PCB will support a 7u spacebar. It has options for split backspace and split right shift, in addition to the standard 7u layout.
I am still deciding on whether or not to support 6.25u layouts, as it would compromise the plate. If interest is high enough, then I will add an option in the GB for a 6.25+7u spacebar plate. You can vote on what to have here. (http://www.strawpoll.me/17015161)
In addition, I am still unsure as to what connection will be used, either Mini-USB or USB Type-C. You can vote for that here. (https://www.strawpoll.me/17015152)
Right now I have no plans for ISO. Sorry Jae! I feel like it compromises the PCB too much, and right now there are no plans to launch in the UK. That could change if I feel enough people are interested, and a proxy steps forward.
I am also planning on having Alps support, for those who enjoy that. Right now I am planning to only support 7u Alps layouts, as that is the most common.
In terms of case material, the two options I am planning on having produced are Polycarbonate and your regular old aluminum, with a brass weight. On the polycarbonate model, there will be brass screw in inserts, so no need to worry about stripping your brand new case. Thanks for reading, and down below I have a link to a bunch of renders with different keysets, also done by Tesletron.
PRICE AND RELEASE DATE TBD.
EDIT: 12/11/18: The PCB has been decided on, and it will use USB Type-C. Said USB port will also be mid-mount for better durability.
EDIT: 12/12/18: Added another poll that you can vote on for ISO/ANSI options for the PCB and the plate. Vote with this link.
(https://www.strawpoll.me/17032304)
RENDERS HERE
https://imgur.com/gallery/NhS7rOW (https://imgur.com/gallery/NhS7rOW)
Post by: dimo on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:31:56
Post by: Remsky on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:33:14
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:38:00
edit: handles are underrated :))
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:48:16
Just a follow-up with my response from keebtalk, I really think you should go with a bottom side USB port for the pcb. Hiney is going to introduce a model like that eventually anyway, I don't think it would be a bad idea.
That might be something that I will look at in the future, however, it will require a change to the aesthetics of the bottom, as I would need to lower the bottom chamfer to cover for the lowered usb port.
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:53:05
Id love to see some AEK 6.5u support on the alps plate/pcb :thumb:
edit: handles are underrated :))
What do you mean by handles? And I would rather not add 6.5u spacebar support, mainly because I think it could undercut sales of the UEK, another board that I am working on currently. I have been working on that board for longer than I have on the BnB87, and would not want to cause issues with that group buy. :)
Post by: wixxzblu on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:57:42
Id love to see some AEK 6.5u support on the alps plate/pcb :thumb:
edit: handles are underrated :))
What do you mean by handles? And I would rather not add 6.5u spacebar support, mainly because I think it could undercut sales of the UEK, another board that I am working on currently. I have been working on that board for longer than I have on the BnB87, and would not want to cause issues with that group buy. :)
handles on the sides in some form, so its easier to lift.
Like this for example:
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 12:59:25
Id love to see some AEK 6.5u support on the alps plate/pcb :thumb:
edit: handles are underrated :))
What do you mean by handles? And I would rather not add 6.5u spacebar support, mainly because I think it could undercut sales of the UEK, another board that I am working on currently. I have been working on that board for longer than I have on the BnB87, and would not want to cause issues with that group buy. :)
handles on the sides in some form, so its easier to lift.
Like this for example:
Oh, those. Unfortunately, with the current design, that is not possible due to the screw placement, unless I do something like the new fullsize from TX. I would rather not have to do something like that.
Post by: bthezebra on Mon, 10 December 2018, 13:30:07
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 13:50:44
Definitely interested in this gasket wave hopefully this board will be WKL with non removable blockers.
That's something I'm working on right now! No worries there!
Post by: jan on Mon, 10 December 2018, 15:08:46
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 15:18:40
I'm interested in the polycarbonate version. :)
Glad to hear it! I am excited to see which way this goes.
Post by: mkarlsson on Mon, 10 December 2018, 15:55:06
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 10 December 2018, 21:04:14
Looks good. I would be interested in a PC one with PC plate but only if ISO is offered.
Well, I did announce that it would not be ISO, and that it would not be for sale in countries other than the US and China, unless a proxy would like to step forward.
Post by: o3okevin on Mon, 10 December 2018, 22:55:10
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 11 December 2018, 10:16:17
Interested in a polycarbonate case & plate! Would this be open to Canada too through the US buy?
Perhaps! So long as I can drop it off to USPS, and they can deliver to you, it works for me.
Post by: airlangga07 on Tue, 11 December 2018, 10:24:18
Post by: ramnes on Tue, 11 December 2018, 14:22:54
Post by: mkarlsson on Tue, 11 December 2018, 15:55:08
Looks good. I would be interested in a PC one with PC plate but only if ISO is offered.
Well, I did announce that it would not be ISO, and that it would not be for sale in countries other than the US and China, unless a proxy would like to step forward.
Well, you said that it could change depending on the interest. That is what I am doing, showing my interest.
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 11 December 2018, 19:34:36
Looks good. I would be interested in a PC one with PC plate but only if ISO is offered.
Well, I did announce that it would not be ISO, and that it would not be for sale in countries other than the US and China, unless a proxy would like to step forward.
Well, you said that it could change depending on the interest. That is what I am doing, showing my interest.Show Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji55.png)
That is true. I will add another poll on whether or not to include ISO on the PCB, and I will open source the plates so people can have their own made.
Post by: Allo on Tue, 11 December 2018, 23:46:41
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 12 December 2018, 14:29:36
I like it, but I do find the wider side bezels to be an odd choice. I think it would look a lot nicer if the side bezels were brought in to match the top and bottom, or the top bezel was extended to match the sides.
Unfortunately that isn't really possible as of right now, because it would require some changes that are not possible as of right now. In a bit, once the PCB is finished, I might be able to redesign it to have even bezels. As of right now however, my plans are to stick with the current case design. I may change the weight to be easier to machine however.
Post by: Acereconkeys on Wed, 12 December 2018, 15:52:16
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Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 13 December 2018, 09:34:20
Can you explain what gasket mounted means. I've never heard of that.
Gasket mount basically uses a piece, or different pieces, of soft rubber to provide more flex and provide acoustic benefits to the user. It's pretty freaking dope.
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 13 December 2018, 09:34:43
gaskets eh
yup.
Post by: vtachkov on Thu, 13 December 2018, 09:48:00
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 13 December 2018, 10:06:20
I'd love to have a pc tkl. Would the pcb support rgb underglow or would I have to get a c3 pcb if I wanted that?
PCB will have 18 RGB underglow LEDS.
I forgot to mention that the PCB will be QMK compatible, of course :).
Post by: vtachkov on Thu, 13 December 2018, 10:36:22
I'd love to have a pc tkl. Would the pcb support rgb underglow or would I have to get a c3 pcb if I wanted that?
PCB will have 18 RGB underglow LEDS.
I forgot to mention that the PCB will be QMK compatible, of course :).
Beautiful, count me in :thumb:
Post by: dondongler on Sat, 22 December 2018, 00:00:09
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Post by: mrkantz on Fri, 04 January 2019, 22:36:00
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Post by: upas on Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:48:35
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 05 January 2019, 16:49:46
I would really like 6.25U space support. I'd even be willing to get my own plate made, just need the PCB to support it.
PCB should support 6.25u.
Post by: switchnollie on Sun, 06 January 2019, 01:12:58
I always felt the 2x 1u there was a smaller keyboard thing.
Post by: DocNoc on Wed, 20 February 2019, 21:02:58
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Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 24 February 2019, 18:12:22
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 27 February 2019, 16:55:44
Will there be an option for 2u backspace?
I always felt the 2x 1u there was a smaller keyboard thing.
Yup! It supports standard ANSI, not just HHKB.
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 27 February 2019, 16:56:35
What material is the rubber gasket? Nitrile rubber, silicone or something else? If you don't know the english just type the chinese and we can find out.
Once I get some prototypes in, I will experiment with different gaskets to see what works best.
Post by: mellen on Wed, 27 February 2019, 17:19:05
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 27 February 2019, 20:57:25
in for pc w/ brass plate, oh just realized its not 2u backspace, would def want that
It has support for 2u backspace. Those are just renders. http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/47b91f87a09309ea1cdfe545e948efd8
these are the layouts the pcb supports. The Top half will be WKL only. ANSI only plates, but the files will be public, so you can make your own plate if you want.
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:07:37
Post by: Proer47 on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:23:09
Post by: mellen on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:53:33
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 02 March 2019, 18:56:59
I am using the white mode to read, and some texts have some issues. (guess its intentional)
Post by: Nigolski on Sat, 02 March 2019, 19:04:03
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 02 March 2019, 19:10:51
Hey Lbibass,
I am using the white mode to read, and some texts have some issues. (guess its intentional)
yeah, that's the spoiler probably. That's the old IC. The text up top is the revised IC.
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 02 March 2019, 19:27:06
Why the choice of a small brass weight instead of a large one?
Mainly because I prefer the aesthetics of a smaller weight. Plus, I would rather the cost be a little bit lower. And the weight is already at 2.94 pounds, without a PCB, caps, or switches. Or any screws, for that matter. There comes a point where a board is just too heavy, and I would like to avoid that.
Post by: mellen on Sun, 03 March 2019, 03:03:00
Post by: balduran85 on Sun, 03 March 2019, 06:00:36
what about no cutouts, id rather see brass than pcb
I second this. Unless the pcb design is aesthetically superior to the brass plate, which often is not.
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 03 March 2019, 11:17:57
what about no cutouts, id rather see brass than pcb
I second this. Unless the pcb design is aesthetically superior to the brass plate, which often is not.
It's possible :)
Post by: Lbibass on Sun, 03 March 2019, 16:07:18
what about no cutouts, id rather see brass than pcb
Makes sense! I forgot to add that as an option in the strawpoll. :-[
Post by: KorbenDallas on Sun, 03 March 2019, 18:55:32
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 04 March 2019, 08:58:28
I miss understood the cutouts strawpoll. I'd rather see brass in those areas as your renders show rather than pcb as well!
yeah, I forgot that option in the strawpoll. :(
I think that's the best thing to go with right now. The pcb isn't fantastic, and a lot of traces run straight above the arrow keys. Hence, a solid brass plate in those areas is gonna be the best bet.
Post by: Water lee on Mon, 04 March 2019, 14:19:24
Render looks awesome
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 04 March 2019, 16:37:49
Nice pc case !
Render looks awesome
Thanks! I only did the top two renders, Tesletron did the ones you see below those two. He's much better at renders than I am.
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 05 March 2019, 07:53:41
dope
Thanks!
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 05 March 2019, 08:28:08
Love it.
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 05 March 2019, 11:13:23
PC case is really attractive.
Love it.
Thanks!
Post by: Remsky on Tue, 05 March 2019, 18:59:27
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 06 March 2019, 17:15:44
nice
Glad to hear you like it, Remsky!
Post by: Windeh on Fri, 08 March 2019, 07:28:37
nice
Glad to hear you like it, Remsky!
am jealous
Post by: reidd on Fri, 08 March 2019, 14:36:10
edit: Any chance for PVD coatings for the plate (pref. silver, black?)
Post by: bunanapeel on Sat, 16 March 2019, 12:52:54
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 16 March 2019, 12:56:29
am interest
edit: Any chance for PVD coatings for the plate (pref. silver, black?)
Sorry for missing this! Right now my plans are to have one option, which is sandblasted brass. That way, fulfillment will be significantly easier. I want to minimize the opportunity for mistakes in fulfillment on my part.
Post by: Lbibass on Sat, 16 March 2019, 12:57:07
I would totally join the GB when it comes around. This combines two types of cases that I want to try into one. A PC case and a gasket mount case. I am really excited for this one. :D
Glad to hear it!
Post by: Jurka on Sun, 17 March 2019, 15:49:34
Nice pc case !
Render looks awesome
Thanks! I only did the top two renders, Tesletron did the ones you see below those two. He's much better at renders than I am.
Correct me if I am mistaken but the PC case will have kind of a milky hue just like the E6.5 does, right? The renders show it to be clearer than it actually will be, right?
Post by: Lbibass on Sun, 17 March 2019, 19:26:46
Nice pc case !
Render looks awesome
Thanks! I only did the top two renders, Tesletron did the ones you see below those two. He's much better at renders than I am.
Correct me if I am mistaken but the PC case will have kind of a milky hue just like the E6.5 does, right? The renders show it to be clearer than it actually will be, right?
Yup, it should be similar in aesthetics to the e6.5!
Post by: Damage on Sun, 17 March 2019, 21:11:14
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Post by: Lumenoctis on Tue, 19 March 2019, 04:50:59
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 19 March 2019, 21:42:00
Hi there! Extremely new to this forum so excuse me if I'm not following some sort of procedure, but I'm definitely interested in this case. Would you be supplying the PCB as well? I was thinking about purchasing Hineybush's h87alps board but if you're already supplying the PCB, I guess I wouldn't need to!
You're all good! ALF will be supplying the PCB for this board. It's mid mounted USB-C. There's a lot of other cool features in this PCB too, like an SMD mounted RGB caps lock LED. Expect the PCB outline to be open sourced too, if not the entire PCB. Unfortunately I'm not the designer of the PCB, so I don't know if it'll be possible to open source all of the PCB.
Post by: mrboli on Wed, 20 March 2019, 14:36:02
Post by: Lbibass on Fri, 29 March 2019, 11:01:37
For cutouts, you need to put no cutouts as option!
Yup, that was a mistake. I have decided to go with no cutouts. I prefer the aesthetic of the brass underneath the polycarbonate than the PCB.
Post by: Jurka on Fri, 29 March 2019, 13:20:40
For cutouts, you need to put no cutouts as option!
Yup, that was a mistake. I have decided to go with no cutouts. I prefer the aesthetic of the brass underneath the polycarbonate than the PCB.
Great choice imo. Also, I've read about polycarb finishes in the THINK6.5 interest check thread. Any thoughts about possibilities?
Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Sat, 30 March 2019, 14:55:22
Post by: sadmachine on Mon, 01 April 2019, 01:35:01
Post by: TuCZnak on Mon, 01 April 2019, 07:04:23
The space between Esc and F1 appears noticeably wider than the other F row breaks, as I see often in renders. Will this be the same on the physical case?
That is the standard layout, F1 directly over 2 with 1u between Esc and F1 and then 0,5u between F blocks themselves.
Post by: tentboy on Mon, 01 April 2019, 08:21:27
Post by: sadmachine on Tue, 02 April 2019, 02:46:49
The space between Esc and F1 appears noticeably wider than the other F row breaks, as I see often in renders. Will this be the same on the physical case?
That is the standard layout, F1 directly over 2 with 1u between Esc and F1 and then 0,5u between F blocks themselves.
Thanks for confirming for this noob. :)
Post by: h0tdog on Tue, 02 April 2019, 14:18:54
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Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Thu, 04 April 2019, 11:12:02
Post by: ramnes on Thu, 04 April 2019, 16:02:59
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 04 April 2019, 19:30:19
Is it normal for it to take this long for pricing :o the wait is deadly to me
Hey, sorry about that! I missed this. Anyways, I updated the post. Pricing updates. Still working everything out, including the possibility of custom boxes. pricing is still up in the air.
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 04 April 2019, 19:30:35
interested
Glad to hear it!
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 04 April 2019, 19:34:06
Is it normal for it to take this long for pricing :o the wait is deadly to me
Hey, sorry about that! I missed this. Anyways, I updated the post. Pricing updates. Still working everything out, including the possibility of custom boxes. pricing is still up in the air.
With how poorly ALF boxes have gone in the past (ie. month long delays to fix the boxes for the Renova X3, please don't do custom boxes.
If anything I've learned from the ALF GB's I've participated in, keep it as simple as possible expect MASSIVE delays and expect a product that won't fully meet your expectations (at least on the first try).
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:15:52
Is it normal for it to take this long for pricing :o the wait is deadly to me
Hey, sorry about that! I missed this. Anyways, I updated the post. Pricing updates. Still working everything out, including the possibility of custom boxes. pricing is still up in the air.
With how poorly ALF boxes have gone in the past (ie. month long delays to fix the boxes for the Renova X3, please don't do custom boxes.
If anything I've learned from the ALF GB's I've participated in, keep it as simple as possible expect MASSIVE delays and expect a product that won't fully meet your expectations (at least on the first try).
Thanks for letting me know about that. Right now, ALF seems to have learned a lot, and has moved to a new location too. I'd like to see how he'll do this time.
Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:37:33
Thanks Lbibass! Super excited for the keeb! Save one for meIs it normal for it to take this long for pricing :o the wait is deadly to me
Hey, sorry about that! I missed this. Anyways, I updated the post. Pricing updates. Still working everything out, including the possibility of custom boxes. pricing is still up in the air.
!Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
Post by: Harnak on Thu, 04 April 2019, 20:41:16
Post by: Lbibass on Fri, 05 April 2019, 08:11:57
Glad that you got pricing info from Alf! Super excited for this board, really digging your designs! <3
Thanks for the encouragement! Hopefully some of my designs should start to move faster than the UEK and this one.
Post by: wt5now on Mon, 08 April 2019, 02:51:22
Post by: Lbibass on Mon, 08 April 2019, 08:03:48
What is the basic plate? Brass? Aluminum? PC? Are there some options?
The basic plate is Brass. There won't be a whole lot of options. Mainly just MX/alps, and a halfplate or a full plate for MX.
Post by: kookiemunstur on Tue, 09 April 2019, 20:09:06
This looks great, I'm deciding between this and the KBD8X MKII but leaning more towards this due to gasket mount, Would you also do a matching numpad in the future?
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:29:42
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:32:24
This looks great, I'm deciding between this and the KBD8X MKII but leaning more towards this due to gasket mount, Would you also do a matching numpad in the future?
Honestly, I probably would! I would probably also do a 60% with the same sort of design language and features.
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 09 April 2019, 21:32:51
Man, between this and the kbd8x is like deciding between a Corolla and a WRX STI
Well, which one is which? :))
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 10 April 2019, 08:57:03
Man, between this and the kbd8x is like deciding between a Corolla and a WRX STI
Apart from the fact that this a gasket mount setup, 8X is a very good product for the price it has.
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 10 April 2019, 10:58:21
Man, between this and the kbd8x is like deciding between a Corolla and a WRX STI
Apart from the fact that this a gasket mount setup, 8X is a very good product for the price it has.
Oh yeah, the 8x is an incredible board. Ai03's designs and pcbs are fantastic.
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 16 April 2019, 21:20:22
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 16 April 2019, 21:38:15
Any news for the good people of geekhack? I'm Jonesin' for a proper alps TKL
Not yet. Still waiting for the prototypes to be finished.
Post by: Solotov on Sun, 28 April 2019, 08:30:24
Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Wed, 01 May 2019, 09:22:41
Post by: Lbibass on Wed, 01 May 2019, 09:27:05
Where is the prototype!!! :-X :o I'm so excited for this, been holding off on purchasing any other keeb so I can get this one :D :p
With the current situation and drama at Alf, I've decided to find a new factory.
This will be put on hold and I will soon lock the thread until I can find a new factory.
Post by: mkarlsson on Wed, 01 May 2019, 10:43:59
Where is the prototype!!! :-X :o I'm so excited for this, been holding off on purchasing any other keeb so I can get this one :D :p
With the current situation and drama at Alf, I've decided to find a new factory.
This will be put on hold and I will soon lock the thread until I can find a new factory.
Seems that Matrixlab is offering their servises to designers, maybe it’s worth trying
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=100437.0
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 01 May 2019, 10:53:12
Where is the prototype!!! :-X :o I'm so excited for this, been holding off on purchasing any other keeb so I can get this one :D :p
With the current situation and drama at Alf, I've decided to find a new factory.
This will be put on hold and I will soon lock the thread until I can find a new factory.
Wow that's ****ed up. At least, I hope you can refund your prototype :(
Post by: Lbibass on Thu, 02 May 2019, 09:09:08
Where is the prototype!!! :-X :o I'm so excited for this, been holding off on purchasing any other keeb so I can get this one :D :p
With the current situation and drama at Alf, I've decided to find a new factory.
This will be put on hold and I will soon lock the thread until I can find a new factory.
Wow that's ****ed up. At least, I hope you can refund your prototype :(
I've gotten a refund. Yeah, now that Alf is officially shutting down, I need to start looking around. Hopefully I will find something soon.