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Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 16 May 2010, 00:22:56
This one is only at $40; the seller says it has no hard drive but powers on (I'm sure putting in a cheap hard drive will make it into a fairly decent computer if the bidding stays low):
http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-6221-38U-INTELLISTATION-Z-PRO-FOR-PARTS-REPAIR_W0QQitemZ220604411210QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item335d0c2d4a (http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-6221-38U-INTELLISTATION-Z-PRO-FOR-PARTS-REPAIR_W0QQitemZ220604411210QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item335d0c2d4a)

This one is listed at $400, I'm not sure how good a dual core 3 Ghz xeon is. 1333 FSB. Up to 32GB of RAM (damn!)
http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-IntelliStation-Z-Pro-Dual-Core-Xeon-3GHz-FX1500-XPP_W0QQitemZ390196588646QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item5ad9877066 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/IBM-IntelliStation-Z-Pro-Dual-Core-Xeon-3GHz-FX1500-XPP_W0QQitemZ390196588646QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item5ad9877066)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: Infinite north on Sun, 16 May 2010, 02:27:06
New dual core chips make them obsolete. I saw a similar setup on craigs list recently for 100 bucks. It's not really worth it because xeon processors are old architecture. I have seen benchmarks that show that the new intel chips out preform old dual chip setups.

The only reason it would make sense to go that route is if you had someway to make it economically viable over purchasing a newer setup, or if you have an emotional sweet spot for xeon's.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 16 May 2010, 04:53:20
I thought xeon was a little under-performing compared to the newer ones. Isn't xeon almost the same as pentium 4?

I'm not sure who'd have an "emotional attachment" to xeons. Just an overpriced pentium 4 for the gullible big corporations that have money to buy that stuff.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 16 May 2010, 05:37:01
The first one has a 3GHz Core 2 based Xeon (5160) which is not all that bad. For for that price, you could probably make your own system which would be much faster.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 16 May 2010, 05:44:01
Quote from: ch_123;182873
The first one has a 3GHz Core 2 based Xeon (5160) which is not all that bad. For for that price, you could probably make your own system which would be much faster.

FOR FOR! Someone is getting a little nervous and tempted to get an intellistation through stammering.

Well if it was around $50, sure why not! The graphics card sucks, quadro 1500? ewww. And I don't like the Z Pro case design.

From personal experience, the newer intel duo processors seem a lot more efficient, my silly thinkpad can do things faster than my old grunting intellistation with P4.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 16 May 2010, 10:24:57
I'd rather just upgrade my current sytem. Then again, my current system is only about a year old and there's nothing really worth upgrading in it. Still waiting for high capacity SSDs to become affordable...
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Sun, 16 May 2010, 13:38:31
Just finished building my system, OCZ 120GB 2.5" SATAII Solid Series Solid State Drive (£260), it is literally x 10 faster than the other 4 Year old system. Off course other components contribute to this factor, but I think it is money well spent.
By the time the price drops for SSDs, there will be other faster/better products on the market which you will desire and also be waiting for the price to drop. A life-time is far too short, better to live now than to fade away.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 17 May 2010, 00:02:11
Quote from: J888www;182971
Just finished building my system, OCZ 120GB 2.5" SATAII Solid Series Solid State Drive (£260), it is literally x 10 faster than the other 4 Year old system. Off course other components contribute to this factor, but I think it is money well spent.
By the time the price drops for SSDs, there will be other faster/better products on the market which you will desire and also be waiting for the price to drop. A life-time is far too short, better to live now than to fade away.


There really is no such thing as "SATA II", so, I wouldn't use that terminology.

I didn't know OCZ made hard drives. I should use my IBM hard drive for windows 7, it's pretty kickass.

SSDs are bad because they can only be flashed so many times (I hate flash memory, it suffers from the malady of RAM in that it needs a constant supply of power). You can't really beat spinning magnetic platters.

Of course life is short! It's supposed to be. But there are a lot of silly individuals who are going around stocking up physical objects: packrats.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: Infinite north on Mon, 17 May 2010, 02:00:17
Ssd's dont really die when they stop working though. All the information can be retrieved from the drive once it can't write anymore. This makes the chance of data loss much less likely than with a spinning platter drive. As long as you don't have your cache or pagefile set up on it and just use it for applications\os it should last the life of the computer.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Mon, 17 May 2010, 03:41:38
Quote from: EverythingIBM;183015
There really is no such thing as "SATA II", so, I wouldn't use that terminology.


SATA Revision 2.0 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_Revision_2.0_.28SATA_3_Gb.2Fs.29), "SATA II" was copied and pasted from a web-page of an online-retailer (due to failing eyesight, I try not to type too much), maybe you should notify these retailers that they are using the incorrect terminology.

Quote from: EverythingIBM;183015
I didn't know OCZ made hard drives. I should use my IBM hard drive for windows 7, it's pretty kickass.

OCZ SATA II SSD (http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid_state_drives), Yes they have been making these for a while, it's also one of the best and most affordable SSD's on the Market at present in comparison to other manufacturers.

Quote from: EverythingIBM;183015
SSDs are bad because they can only be flashed so many times (I hate flash memory, it suffers from the malady of RAM in that it needs a constant supply of power). You can't really beat spinning magnetic platters.

There are advantages and disadvantages for all components. In regard to 'Speed', which is the main factor for upgrade, enquire others of their choice of HDD (Platters) or SSD, many will decide on the latter, so who's to decide which is better ?

Quote from: EverythingIBM;183015
Of course life is short! It's supposed to be. But there are a lot of silly individuals who are going around stocking up physical objects: packrats.


Life is not necessarily "supposed" to be short, what Life is "supposed" to be and how long a person will live, is best left for the Omnipotent to know/decide.

Yes, it's best to obtain a new system, rather than salvaging obsolete/outdated equipment like 'IBM 6221-38U INTELLISTATION Z PRO FOR PARTS/REPAIR'/'Commodore 64'.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 17 May 2010, 04:12:59
Quote from: EverythingIBM;183015
SSDs are bad because they can only be flashed so many times


As opposed to platter hard drives which last forever? Oh wait, they don't.

Quote
(I hate flash memory, it suffers from the malady of RAM in that it needs a constant supply of power).


You're a wee bit out of date there.

Quote
You can't really beat spinning magnetic platters.


You can.

Hard drives didn't work out too well for IBM... "Deathstar" anyone?
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Mon, 17 May 2010, 04:42:28
Quote from: ch_123;183062
"Deathstar" anyone?
Here it is, it also did not work out too well for the Empire.
 May the RealForce be with you. :tongue:
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: InSanCen on Mon, 17 May 2010, 04:57:57
Bwahahahahah....

I just knew EIBM+HDD's would end up with deathstars...

I too am waiting for the £/GB to drop to something I am willing to bite on. 60-120GB will be more than enough for an OS drive for me.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 17 May 2010, 05:07:31
The Deathstar was a marvellous design - the platters were made of glass, coated with a magnetic substrate. When the heads crashed, they'd scrape the substrate clean off the platters... When people opened the hard drive, a load of metallic dust fell out, and they were left with some useless glass coasters. Data recovery was completely and utterly impossible.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Mon, 17 May 2010, 09:31:56
Truly priceless, I'd say.

What drives were most affected? I had I believe a 20GB that committed suicide fairly quickly after I put it back into service.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: InSanCen on Mon, 17 May 2010, 11:05:03
Quote from: kishy;183122
Truly priceless, I'd say.

What drives were most affected? I had I believe a 20GB that committed suicide fairly quickly after I put it back into service.


The 75GB versions stick out in my mind. I had 2 that died, and knew personally of many others. In the end the retailer refunded me after 3 RMA's for each drive.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 17 May 2010, 11:11:22
I have 2 Deathstars after Hitachi took over that are still running strong (knock on wood).  Maybe Hitachi fixed something.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Mon, 17 May 2010, 11:47:59
I've got an 80GB Hitachi Travelstar in my laptop. Not a quiet drive, but it performs nicely.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Mon, 17 May 2010, 12:09:08
Hitachi were the most silent drive available before the IBM buyout. Since then, I'm not convinced.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Mon, 17 May 2010, 12:21:12
Quote from: ricercar;183174
Hitachi were the most silent drive available before the IBM buyout. Since then, I'm not convinced.


In my case it's likely because it's a 7200RPM drive in a laptop.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Mon, 17 May 2010, 18:07:04
Quote from: kishy;183122
Truly priceless, I'd say.

What drives were most affected? I had I believe a 20GB that committed suicide fairly quickly after I put it back into service.


Hey those are the ones I have!
Model: DTLA-307020
7200 RPM, 20 GB.

My IBM deskstars are working great, I love the startup noise (grrrrreeeee). Reminds me of my SCSI.

I also have another IBM one, it just says "IBM OEM", model DALA-3540, 540 MB, and it's made in the UK.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Mon, 17 May 2010, 18:13:24
540MB drive you described reminds me of the drive in my PS/2 56. Came out of some sort of IBM Industrial system years ago.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 17 May 2010, 18:25:40
I have an 80MB IBM SCSI drive - it's a double height 3.5" drive... quite an impressive site to behold.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Mon, 17 May 2010, 18:28:08
Quote from: ch_123;183305
I have an 80MB IBM SCSI drive - it's a double height 3.5" drive... quite an impressive site to behold.


I can do better than that.

ST-250R on the shelf behind me. 40-something MB, half-height 5.25".
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 17 May 2010, 18:34:20
I have some Hitachi half-height... I think it's 500MB or so.... even comes with a little plastic envelope on top containing a table of unusable sectors... Uses what looks like some pre-ATA connector.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 18 May 2010, 01:00:49
Quote from: kishy;183304
540MB drive you described reminds me of the drive in my PS/2 56. Came out of some sort of IBM Industrial system years ago.


The one I have might be too then if that's what yours is. I just got it out of a random computer my (now) deceased semi-uncle had.

Quote from: ch_123;183305
I have an 80MB IBM SCSI drive - it's a double height 3.5" drive... quite an impressive site to behold.


Well, do you use it? There's no point of having it and not putting it to work.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Tue, 18 May 2010, 05:08:49
Yes, obviously I use an 80MB SCSI from the 1980s in my year-old computer... ^o)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: InSanCen on Tue, 18 May 2010, 17:54:46
Don't make me dig out the 5MB Seagate...

I do have a working(!) 10GB Quantum Bigfoot here. It doesn't sound like much, or very old, but these things dropped like flies. They made the deathstars look reliable. The 386/40 runs an 80MB Connor IIRC. And it's still vast overkill.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Tue, 18 May 2010, 18:12:31
Quote from: InSanCen;183796
Don't make me dig out the 5MB Seagate...

I do have a working(!) 10GB Quantum Bigfoot here. It doesn't sound like much, or very old, but these things dropped like flies. They made the deathstars look reliable. The 386/40 runs an 80MB Connor IIRC. And it's still vast overkill.


I believe the lowest capacity drive I have is a 20-some MB ST-125. It's HH 3.5" however.

Was able to obtain one of these (http://wiki.vintage-computer.com/index.php?title=XTIDE_project) so I'm not dealing with pre-ATA hard drives again, unless they're SCSI, even in rather old machines.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: D-EJ915 on Tue, 18 May 2010, 18:54:55
My AT has a 32MB (if I remember) full-height MFM drive, has a nice plastic faceplate on it with an LED haha
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 18 May 2010, 18:56:53
My oldest is a 40 MB Seagate from my 1990 386sz purchase. There's some files I hope to get off it someday.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Tue, 18 May 2010, 19:07:07
Quote from: ricercar;183831
My oldest is a 40 MB Seagate from my 1990 386sz purchase. There's some files I hope to get off it someday.

If it's ST412 you absolutely require the same brand/model of controller card if you want to access it (when a drive is first LLF'd it becomes paired up with that controller and will only be usable with it until next LLF'd on another card)

If you haven't junked the card, don't. If you have, better try to find one.

You might know this, but if not, it'll bite you in the ass pretty hard if you don't have the card.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: InSanCen on Tue, 18 May 2010, 19:09:05
Quote from: D-EJ915;183828
My AT has a 32MB (if I remember) full-height MFM drive, has a nice plastic faceplate on it with an LED haha


This is one of that family too... youngun's crap when they hear the seek noise off these things! I seem to remember that mine used to have a faceplate with a red LED in it, but it's just a bare drive now.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Tue, 18 May 2010, 23:17:18
Quote from: kishy;183840
If it's ST412 you absolutely require the same brand/model of controller card if you want to access it


I'm hosed then. It was low level formatted on a long-lost Packard Bell.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Tue, 18 May 2010, 23:27:43
Quote from: ricercar;183962
I'm hosed then. It was low level formatted on a long-lost Packard Bell.

Well, perhaps "absolutely require" is an overstatement.

It is conceivable that multiple controllers used the same LLF technique but you'd have to get a ****load of them and go through card by card. Alternatively put up a wanted ad for an entire machine on local kijiji/craigslist site; if it was from a major company there's a good chance the same type of controller was present in all of that model.

Another option would be finding some way to read the contents of the drive on a bit by bit basis and then somehow translate the necessary portions into usable files, but that'd be far more work than it could possible be worth. Data recovery places will likely do it as well for a massive fee (as I understand it, the files are there and accessible, but cards won't know how to interface with it if the LLF was done with a different card...there's some way to get around this but I don't know it)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 18 May 2010, 23:31:45
Quote from: kishy;183809
I believe the lowest capacity drive I have is a 20-some MB ST-125. It's HH 3.5" however.
.


I used to have a 286-10 with two 20Mb 3.5 1" high drives.  One was a MiniScribe with a component which turned visibly as the drive seeked.

Right now, my smallest is a 40M in a 386SX-16.  I'd expect most 386SXs to be IDE-- 386SX meant cheap, IDE meant cheap too.  Next largest: 200M in a 486-133 laptop, features OS/2 3.0
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Tue, 18 May 2010, 23:35:14
Quote from: ch_123;183426
Yes, obviously I use an 80MB SCSI from the 1980s in my year-old computer... ^o)


See now we're talking. Hook that sucker up to linux and you're set.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: JBert on Thu, 20 May 2010, 15:43:58
Quote from: EverythingIBM;183302
Hey those are the ones I have!
Model: DTLA-307020
7200 RPM, 20 GB.

My IBM deskstars are working great, I love the startup noise (grrrrreeeee). Reminds me of my SCSI.

I also have another IBM one, it just says "IBM OEM", model DALA-3540, 540 MB, and it's made in the UK.
I hope they keep that regular noise. Some people started calling them IBM "Deathstars" after a series of bad failures in the past.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Thu, 20 May 2010, 23:25:44
Quote from: JBert;184937
I hope they keep that regular noise. Some people started calling them IBM "Deathstars" after a series of bad failures in the past.


That new IntelliStation 9229 I bought has THE WORLD'S NOISIEST HARD DRIVE. It was so freaking loud that even *I* could not tolerate it, a super fast delta fan would be music to the ears washing out such noises.

Guess I can always replace it, but I'm lazy to do that... plus I want to get some recordings of it and show some people as they are amazed.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Fri, 21 May 2010, 04:11:43
You've obviously never been in a [proper] server room...
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 21 May 2010, 21:53:42
Quote from: ch_123;185224
You've obviously never been in a [proper] server room...


The server rooms I've been in were virtually silent: I was shocked not to hear the SCSI drives all grumbling and making noises.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Fri, 21 May 2010, 23:33:16
I've never encountered a silent server room.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Fri, 21 May 2010, 23:41:24
Quote from: ricercar;185612
I've never encountered a silent server room.


Then you've never been in a properly secured (read: power-disconnected) Windows server room.

And to think I like Windows!
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Fri, 21 May 2010, 23:55:05
Quote from: kishy;185613
Then you've never been in a properly secured (read: power-disconnected) Windows server room.

And to think I like Windows!


The only reason I like windows is because all of my hardware and software is made for it.

Bill was right, control the software and you control everything.

I do however like the windows interface SO MUCH better than OSX: I can actually do a thing called "maximize" instead of having windows all over the damn place.

I'm in a bad mood right now, the windows 7 paint is pissing me off so much. I want the XP or 98 version...
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 22 May 2010, 03:55:23
You can maximize and minimize in OS X too. I've even done it myself.

The Mac OS X is far from being the perfect UI, but it has some very clever ideas.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Sat, 22 May 2010, 15:28:25
Personally I'd pay a small fortune to cascade windows in MacOS, but I've yet to see a utility that offers it. MacOS neXt has some good ideas, some atrocious, and it also discards many better ones that Apple R&D discovered and ran with for a decade.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sat, 22 May 2010, 16:22:25
Quote from: ch_123;185665
You can maximize and minimize in OS X too. I've even done it myself.

The Mac OS X is far from being the perfect UI, but it has some very clever ideas.


When I mean maximize I mean SNAPPING the window and covering everything at the bottom including the little "media bar" (I hate that thing, especially the bouncing icons). Not just filling the window pathetically with little gaps in the rounded corners, not truly being snapped, and still having a huge gaping hole in the bottom.

Personally, I think windows classic is the best interface. Plain, easy to see, doesn't get boring, and highly functional. Windows 7 even has the option to change the colour of it, so you can get rid of that slight beige tinge and put it back to the windows 98 grey. AND, no stupid rounded edges!
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sat, 22 May 2010, 21:49:20
Quote from: EverythingIBM;185787
Personally, I think windows classic is the best interface because it's the one I used first


Corrected.

Free your mind, man.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 May 2010, 04:09:50
Lets assess the facts here -

1) When you maximize a window in Windows, it doesn't cover the taskbar either.
2) Mac OS X lets you fullscreen windows.
3) The dock (or whatever it's called) is excessively oversized by default IMHO, but the size can be changed if needs be.

I was able to figure out how to make windows fullsize, and how to change the dock size without reading any manual or the like... Says a lot really.

As for rounded edges -

(http://mediakey.dk/~cc/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Windows_XP.PNG)
(http://comp-resources.berkeley.edu/msvista/images/800px-Windows_Vista_Desktop.png)
(http://keemanxp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/image/windows-7-desktop.jpg)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 17:27:15
Fully maximized, no rounded corners:
(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10271&stc=1&d=1274653613)

THAT'S how an interface should be.

EDIT: and yeah, the task bars should be at the bottom, since the top is reserved for the title. Not at the TOP. Otherwise you'd either have to put the title at the bottom, or end up stacking the title at the top with the task bar at the top... highly inefficient and messy.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: InSanCen on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:02:21
Quote from: EverythingIBM;185579
The server rooms I've been in were virtually silent: I was shocked not to hear the SCSI drives all grumbling and making noises.


I'd love to see your reaction to the processing areas of any respectable datacentre. I've never worked in a quiet one, and have been in a couple that were bordering on requiring hearing protection. 15K spindles need serious cooling too, although the storage arrays are generally quieter than the processing arrays.

If you lived in then UK there is a renderfarm that is notorious among local network tech's/sysadmins for being painfully loud after prolonged exposure. Your ears ring like you have been to a fairly loud gig when you come out of it. The fact that 190CFM Delta's were specced for the cooling inside the nodes is a large factor, as these are over 60dB individually. 4 per node, 250 nodes (Cooling 4P 3.2Ghz Prescotts based Xeon's IIRC, due to be upgraded to Opteron 6172's shortly).
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:04:18
If you've ever been in a quiet server room, then you weren't in a server room. Case closed.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:16:33
Quote from: webwit;186139
Show Image
(http://www.stormchaser.ca/Misc/Wind%20Tunnel%20Aug%202006/Wind_Tunnel_Aug_03.JPG)


Webwit is always trying to fit in...
(http://nathanjmorton.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/duck_w_penguins_imposter.jpg)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:17:06
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186123
EDIT: and yeah, the task bars should be at the bottom, since the top is reserved for the title. Not at the TOP. Otherwise you'd either have to put the title at the bottom, or end up stacking the title at the top with the task bar at the top... highly inefficient and messy.


Well, the taskbar occupies the same amount of space irrespective of where it's placed. I put it on top out of personal preference arising from Linux use, but it works well either way.

And you must have some pretty crazy OCD if a rounded window edge bothers you. I mean, when I use a computer, I use it do stuff, not stare at the decor...
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:19:06
Quote from: ch_123;186146
Well, the taskbar occupies the same amount of space irrespective of where it's placed. I put it on top out of personal preference arising from Linux use, but it works well either way.

And you must have some pretty crazy OCD if a rounded window edge bothers you. I mean, when I use a computer, I use it do stuff, not stare at the decor...


The only good interface is the windows 9x one. Case closed.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:22:49
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186148
The only interface I know how to use is the windows 9x one. Case closed.


Fixed that for you. No need to thank me.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:33:22
OTT.

 ' I want this, I want that, I want it now ! ' attitude.

Some people have some serious attitude problems in this World.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 23 May 2010, 18:57:14
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186148
The only good interface is the windows 9x one. Case closed.


Maybe a case of insanity.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 19:04:39
Quote from: ricercar;186167
Maybe a case of insanity.


After awhile you just get tired of flashy graphics (and backgrounds) when it interferes with work. There's a lot of people who like windows classic.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 23 May 2010, 19:05:49
I use Windows classic on xp, vista, and 7. That doesn't make it a good interface.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Sun, 23 May 2010, 19:13:04
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186172
After awhile you just get tired of flashy graphics (and backgrounds) when it interferes with work. There's a lot of people who like windows classic.


Reminds me of a good friend of mine gives out to me whenever she uses my computer because I don't use Ad Block Pro, claiming that she finds ads distract her from what she's doing. I usually retort "Well, I just don't look at the ads I guess..."

Sooner or later I will switch to tiling window managers...

(http://www.dicianno.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/wmii-view-comm.png)
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 19:24:11
Quote from: ch_123;186175
Reminds me of a good friend of mine gives out to me whenever she uses my computer because I don't use Ad Block Pro, claiming that she finds ads distract her from what she's doing. I usually retort "Well, I just don't look at the ads I guess..."


Well if that person is going on websites plastered with ads, I doubt it's any sort of professional work... so then what's the point? Do you honestly need focus for something like facebook or twitter? No!
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Sun, 23 May 2010, 21:37:23
Not using Ad Block Plus is a cruel way of punishing oneself.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 22:10:17
Quote from: kishy;186214
Not using Ad Block Plus is a cruel way of punishing oneself.


I just use IE8 without flash installed. Gets rid of most of the ads from hotmail.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Sun, 23 May 2010, 22:25:46
Using IE is a cruel way of punishing oneself.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: EverythingIBM on Sun, 23 May 2010, 22:29:47
Quote from: kishy;186231
Using IE is a cruel way of punishing oneself.


The only problem I encountered with IE was opening huge pages of text, I mean tomes all on a single HTML page totalling hundreds of MB. Otherwise it's fine.

But I use firefox mostly now, it can handle huge text documents with ease.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ricercar on Sun, 23 May 2010, 22:35:54
Adblock appears to work on Hulu toolu.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: kishy on Sun, 23 May 2010, 22:41:29
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186234
The only problem I encountered with IE was opening huge pages of text, I mean tomes all on a single HTML page totalling hundreds of MB. Otherwise it's fine.

But I use firefox mostly now, it can handle huge text documents with ease.


The problems are the ones you can't see.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 24 May 2010, 06:24:34
Quote from: EverythingIBM;186179
Well if that person is going on websites plastered with ads, I doubt it's any sort of professional work... so then what's the point? Do you honestly need focus for something like facebook or twitter? No!


Said person doesn't use those sites. Ads are everywhere on the internet. They even used to be here at one point. And then -

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I just use IE8 without flash installed. Gets rid of most of the ads from hotmail.


Hotmail? I think we done gots ourselves a contradiction.

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The problems are the ones you can't see.


I see them. Then again, I also see dead people, so I probably shouldn't be considered the average representative sample.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Mon, 24 May 2010, 10:21:37
I migrated to Firefox from IE, but they are both not comparable to Chrome for speed and stability ATM.

Example:- Play Youtube videos on Firefox and IE and you'll find they both crash, whereas Chrome is stable.

I always liked Firefox especially with the Noia theme Add-On installed, but until Firefox 4.0 is released, I'll be sticking with Chrome.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: itlnstln on Mon, 24 May 2010, 10:24:46
Chrome is nice.  It's fast and simple, but I think at times it's a little too spartan.  The tweakability is pretty lackluster (cache and history handling, e.g.) and I really miss a dedicated search bar.  That said, other than not looking like a native app, the animations and other graphical details are very nice.
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: J888www on Mon, 24 May 2010, 10:52:08
I like Chrome especially the Browser Synchronization between my Desktops and the Laptop (use one comp and the Bookmarks ecetera are automatically updated on other comps), neat. I will switch back to Firefox when version 4.0 releases, mainly because of its' vast array of Add-Ons.
Silly me have become sentimentally attached to the Blue Shade Background/Cleaner Look (no and Border in Toolbar) options of Noia 2.0 Extreme. Clear sunny sky look. Beautiful.
Curious as to what IE 9 .............
Title: IntelliStation Z Pros
Post by: ch_123 on Mon, 24 May 2010, 10:58:20
Quote from: itlnstln;186361
Chrome is nice.  It's fast and simple, but I think at times it's a little too spartan.  The tweakability is pretty lackluster (cache and history handling, e.g.) and I really miss a dedicated search bar.  That said, other than not looking like a native app, the animations and other graphical details are very nice.


To me, the latest version of Opera is like Chrome without a lot of the bad points.