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Title: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Fri, 24 May 2019, 23:26:47
Rollout Update!

Hey guys, PCBs are in and keys have been tested. One thing we've discovered with the ARM processor is that simple LED functionality isn't implemented yet on QMK but Gondo is currently working on a workaround. If we can't figure it out before the GB starts, we have a few options, 1) lights will either be always on or always off, 2) we adjust the case so that there won't be any indicators and it's just a design in that spot, 3) PCB needs to be redesigned to accommodate addressable LEDs or switched to a different processor (probably least ideal because it might cause delays during fulfillment).  Besides that, PCB fits well, all keys are recognized and we're good to start sending the prototype off to streamers!

First streamer will be to MechsOnDeck host Chewwy. He'll be streaming a build at ~8pm CT on Tuesday (9/10). Be sure to check out his stream for a first look! https://www.twitch.tv/mechsondeck

After Chewwy's build, I'll be bringing the case over to 001anthony. Currently we're planning to do an unboxing on his Monday stream (9/16) and a build stream on Saturday (9/21). I believe both streams normally start ~9:30pm CT. https://www.twitch.tv/001anthony

I will try to be available for all of these streams but I can't promise I'll be around the entire stream. Be sure to ask any questions you have in the beginning or come drop by the discord. https://discord.gg/fmetSXH (https://discord.gg/fmetSXH)

After the build streams, I'll be shipping that prototype to PheonixStarr to double check everything and make any small adjustments if needed to the case. I will be bringing a few other prototypes to the Austin meetup on the 28th so if you're able to attend that, make sure to come say hi!

GB will start on the 29th at 9AM CT. More details will be posted here before the GB thread opens. Thanks for being patient!



Hi everyone! I've teamed up with two great partners, PheonixStarr from Nightingale Studios (designer for the Ti-65) and Gondolindrim (known for the SharkPCB and Acheron), to bring you "Austin".

Please fill out the IC Form!
IC Form (https://forms.gle/rvzsrWoXUeWs87TP9)

Discord Server (https://discord.gg/fmetSXH)

The purpose of the board is to create a full size replacement while reducing the width. The board features a full size numpad, separated arrow keys, and easy keycap compatibility for most custom keysets (no uncommon key sizes). It's great for those who need the functionality of a full size but don't want to give up the quality that a custom keyboard provides.

Specifications:


Pricing:
40 Units FCFS
Standard Kit (Aluminum case with weight, PCB, and brass plate) - $475
Extra Brass Plate - TBD
Extra CF Plate - TBD
Extra PC Plate - TBD
Extra PCB - TBD

Colors offerred:
Onyx Black
Titanium Gray
Cobalt Blue
Sterling Silver


New Renders as of 6/16:
Austin ft. GMK Rudy* Renders with keycaps are for demonstration only for those who might be confused Starston3 & Pluto. The GB will not include keycaps.
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Expanded views
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by PheonixStarr. Hit him up for some crispy renders


Layout:
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The layout has been decided based on the feedback on the DB01 IC thread. It looks like most people preferred a fixed layout, and the two bottom rows shown were the most popular. This cuts down on having too much Swiss cheese and keeps the plate simpler so it's easier to keep switches straight. I've also cut down on the usual 1u compatibility of the numpad for "Enter"  since this board already provides all keys found on a full size. In order to accomplish the dual bottom layout of 1.5/1.5/7/1.5/1.5 and 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5, we are going to change the switches to be North facing for the tsangan layout 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5. This allows people to use either layout without needing to pick a particular file to flash. Update, we've decided to remove the 1u compatibility for the numpad + in order to keep the PCB simple. Adding that compatibility would reduce the sizes of the pads or we would have made the switch rotated 90 degrees. In order to keep all switches and pads uniform, we decided to remove it.



Notes:
FAQ:
Special Thanks:


UPDATE AS OF 7/4/19
Prototypes have been received and they look good. We're currently waiting on testing the firmware for the prototype PCBs and will order a new round of PCBs once that is successful. There was a KiCad bug that did not test all the diode and resistor locations which might affect the switch placements. Once the new round of PCBs have been tested and assembled, we will start sending the prototype boards to a few streamers to build and review.

Colors
We will be offering the case in black, gray, and blue. For the prototype run, we tested the factories gray and blue. The gray turned out great but the blue is too intense of a blue. We will choose a darker navy blue for production.

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Pricing
Pricing for a standard kit will start at $475 before fees and shipping. The standard kit will include anodized aluminum top/bottom pieces, anodized aluminum plate, and sandblasted brass weight. Optional sandblasted brass plate will be available and other plate materials are still in consideration. We will only be offering sandblasted brass for this round in order to keep things simple and costs lower. We will request a quote for a possible fourth color (silver). The GB will be limited to 40 spots. FCFS

TLDR: Waiting to test firmware on the prototype PCBs. Once those are done, we will order a new round of PCBs to send to reviewers. Price starts at $475 for a standard kit (black/gray/blue case w/ aluminum plate and brass weight). 40 units FCFS

Prototypes
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Current Status:
Please come here to check on where we're at!
(As of 5/24/19) We're getting quotes for prototypes and are planning to run a 20-30 unit run once we're happy with a manufacturer.
This is only the first revision, and there are a few fixes that need to be made to the files. I will update the renders once new revisions are available. Pricing is still TBD, but given the size of the board, don't expect Polaris pricing.
(As of 5/25/19) Added IC form, please fill out!
(As of 5/28/19) Current waiting for a few more quotes to compare. PCB design should be finished by this week and any small changes to the case due to the PCB should be done this week as well. Planning to order prototypes next week.
(As of 5/31/19) Small update to design, the brass weight will be more rectangular rather than the duck shape from the renders. We will get updated renders so that it'll be easier to see but our current priority is to finish the design files to get to our manufacturer.
(As of 6/1/19) Added discord channel
(As of 6/8/19) In order to accomplish the dual bottom layout of 1.5/1.5/7/1.5/1.5 and 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5, we are going to change the switches to be North facing for the tsangan layout 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5. This allows people to use either layout without needing to pick a particular file to flash. If there is any objection, please let us know here or in the discord.
(As of 6/9/19) Gondo was able to solve the issue of overlapping pins so we won't have any north facing switches for the bottom row.
(As of 6/10/19) Payment for our first protos have gone out!
(As of 6/15/19) Production for prototypes should be finished by June 24th. I expect them to be in my hands sometime in July. We're currently ironing out issues with the PCB fab but hopefully production of the prototype should start next week.
(As of 6/16/19) Added new renders with GMK Rudy and expanded views with the new brass weight.
(As of 6/25/19) Prototype cases are getting close to being finished and should be shipped out by the end of this week. The prototype PCBs are currently being assembled by PheonixStarr and Gondolindrim is finishing up the firmware.
(As of 6/30/19) Prototype 1 should be here on Monday. Prototype 2 will be shipped by Tuesday. We've had to make some changes to the PCB due to a bug in KiCad so new prototypes will need to be ordered. This will add an extra week or two before the GB can start. Also, we decided to remove the 1u compatibility from the numpad + key in order to keep the PCB simple. See layout comment for more details.
(As of 7/22/19) Major delays on the PCB but now our PCB designer is finally getting better after a couple weeks of being in the hospital. Hopefully we will be able to order another batch of Prototype PCBs this week and we should be underway. Hopefully we will be able to get some boards to some streamers by the end of August.
(As of 8/1/19) Second round of proto PCBs have been ordered. Expecting to receive them in 2-3 weeks and will test the final firmware with the new PCB. We're also ordered a new top piece for an adjustment to the LED area. We will try another dark blue with that piece so we should have a better idea what the blue will look like for production.
(As of 8/21/19) Second batch of proto PCBs will be shipping soon. I expect to receive them and test them sometime next week. If everything checks out, I will be sending them to streamers and updating this thread for all the GB details.
(As of 8/27/19) Batch of proto PCBs have been received but we still don't have a working firmware. Unfortunately there is no ETA on this but we will move forward as soon as we can. Apologies for the delays.
(As of 9/9/19) Rollout update posted to top of the post.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: jariss on Fri, 24 May 2019, 23:37:06
Really nice layout and design. I've been in the market for a cp1800.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Rejeckted on Fri, 24 May 2019, 23:58:50
I'm loving that blue case in the first image.  :cool:  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: fombat on Sat, 25 May 2019, 01:13:44
god..... im in theoretically form gods willing
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: bthezebra on Sat, 25 May 2019, 01:33:51
Interested
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: PheonixStarr on Sat, 25 May 2019, 01:49:18
from this point on not a single soul will notice at all that the switch cutout for the X key is entirely missing from the plate
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Furikurichemy on Sat, 25 May 2019, 02:20:23
from this point on not a single soul will notice at all that the switch cutout for the X key is entirely missing from the plate

lol

Very nice design though! Hopefully I'll be able to grab one when the time comes.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: portbaron on Sat, 25 May 2019, 02:43:40
I'd get
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: thornkin on Sat, 25 May 2019, 03:05:49
I really like this layout and would consider getting it. I like the position of pgup/pgdn which most 2800-style compacts get wrong.

Laser ALT sporting red Sky Pandas

Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: eskimojo on Sat, 25 May 2019, 03:22:40
Awesome idea Disappointed by the lack of ISO personally, but it's understandable if you're only planning a small run. GLWIC <3
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: jihadu on Sat, 25 May 2019, 05:26:01
ne ISO avail...

Jk good looking board
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: forumusername on Sat, 25 May 2019, 08:17:35
Nice
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: WithoutWeakness on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:01:47
Looks great I love the layout. It's like an interesting mix of 68-keys and 1800. I'll be keeping an eye on this one!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: FatOldGuy on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:05:18
yes please
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:12:08
B-but...itís not named after a girl.
I like it. A lot. I want one. Very much.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: noahf on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:18:38
How dare you gender assume based of a name.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Nigolski on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:30:47
cool layout!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 10:31:06
B-but...itís not named after a girl.
I like it. A lot. I want one. Very much.

Haha I'm no TGR
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: krutmob on Sat, 25 May 2019, 11:14:10
I love this. Down to ride.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Macmutant on Sat, 25 May 2019, 13:18:47
Looks great! I'm interested. The only thing I would change, is to offer split plus on the num pad.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 13:20:19
Looks great! I'm interested. The only thing I would change, is to offer split plus on the num pad.

I was thinking of including that initially but I personally didn't know anyone that used the numpad like that. Mind if I ask what keys would you put there if you split the plus?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 25 May 2019, 14:01:12
Looks great! I'm interested. The only thing I would change, is to offer split plus on the num pad.

I was thinking of including that initially but I personally didn't know anyone that used the numpad like that. Mind if I ask what keys would you put there if you split the plus?

It's used on the AEK II, allowing you to add an "=" key to the numpad (very useful IMO).

Pic here: https://ttic.uchicago.edu/~cotter/projects/aek2/images/leds.jpg
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Macmutant on Sat, 25 May 2019, 14:12:53
Looks great! I'm interested. The only thing I would change, is to offer split plus on the num pad.

I was thinking of including that initially but I personally didn't know anyone that used the numpad like that. Mind if I ask what keys would you put there if you split the plus?

It's used on the AEK II, allowing you to add an "=" key to the numpad (very useful IMO).

Pic here: https://ttic.uchicago.edu/~cotter/projects/aek2/images/leds.jpg

Exactly! This is how I would use it.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: janglad on Sat, 25 May 2019, 14:13:37
ne X avail
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Xynerorias on Sat, 25 May 2019, 15:06:24
If it's true to cost or at least not overpriced, just like polaris, that's a yes for me.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 15:54:30
If it's true to cost or at least not overpriced, just like polaris, that's a yes for me.

What would you consider overpriced? I can't compete with kbdfans quantity.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: cirrus82 on Sat, 25 May 2019, 16:26:41
Definitely in!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 17:52:48
ne X avail

'X' key cutout will be an extra feature
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 19:45:43
Added an IC form, please fill out when you get a chance! Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: Corgiattackkk on Sat, 25 May 2019, 22:17:52
Would left-handed numpad be a possible option? It looks like it'd be a pretty clean swap and would still look beautiful <3 The blue is definitely my favorite in the picture.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 22:21:14
Would left-handed numpad be a possible option? It looks like it'd be a pretty clean swap and would still look beautiful <3 The blue is definitely my favorite in the picture.

A left handed version would be interesting but would have to be another run if there's enough interest for that. It would require an entire redesign even though the layout would be pretty similar.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 25 May 2019, 22:23:16
The double 1us on their own on the top row looks kinda awkward, but I'll wait till there are renders/photos with caps as it'll show the true story.

Otherwise the design looks good and will be good to see physical samples :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: forumusername on Sat, 25 May 2019, 22:27:35
What changes are planned after the small proto run?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 25 May 2019, 23:12:29
What changes are planned after the small proto run?

Sorry for the strange wording. Currently we have some small revisions (adding split +, adding x key) to be made before we order a prototype. Once we receive that and everything is good, we'll move forward with the production run. There are no planned changes that would be made between prototype and production.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: iammeuru on Fri, 31 May 2019, 01:57:11
I'm down... filling out IC now.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: Locnguyen1507 on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:50:10
Remind me LZCP!!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: forumusername on Fri, 31 May 2019, 10:59:13
This has definitely grown on me
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Fri, 31 May 2019, 11:02:53
Thanks for the feedback and support everyone! We're definitely excited about this project! If you are interested in any updates, I will keep updating the OP at the bottom of the post with timestamps.

Also, come join our discord server if you have any feedback! Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 01 June 2019, 13:42:55
https://discord.gg/zRrvcaS (https://discord.gg/zRrvcaS)
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: thornkin on Sat, 01 June 2019, 15:37:41
Been looking for a compact 1800 and like this layout best. What kind of quantities do you think you are looking at? Trying to decide how likely this is to be to get.

Sent from my SM-G973U using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 01 June 2019, 16:02:32
It'll be between 20-30. I don't want to be too ambitious and not have the quality up to snuff.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Sat, 01 June 2019, 17:34:45
If the quality is up to snuff and everything goes smoothly, would you consider a 2nd round next year when I have more money?    :-[
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: MyCow on Sat, 01 June 2019, 20:31:38
I really like that design. Glad to see some love for 1800s. Can't wait to see protos!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: vicissitude on Sat, 01 June 2019, 20:43:43
Great design.
I love it.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: Just Lucan on Sun, 02 June 2019, 05:11:37
Had to make an account for this. I absolutely love it, hope I can make this my first high-end keyboard!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: thornkin on Sun, 02 June 2019, 18:23:37
Any idea how far out the GB date will be? Not looking for a commitment or a specific time, but more a general sense.

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sun, 02 June 2019, 18:29:35
If everything with the prototypes are smooth we can start in a month or so. However I know hbcp is starting soon so don't really want to clash with that.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: thornkin on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:07:09
That seems wise. HBCP likely appeals to the same crowd.

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: forumusername on Tue, 04 June 2019, 07:40:13
Run it at the same time so I have better chances of getting it
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 08 June 2019, 19:34:32
Quick update, in order to accomplish the dual bottom layout of 1.5/1.5/7/1.5/1.5 and 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5, we are going to change the switches to be North facing for the tsangan layout 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5. This allows people to use either layout without needing to pick a particular file to flash. If there is any objection, please let us know here or in the discord.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sun, 09 June 2019, 23:26:13
Quick update, in order to accomplish the dual bottom layout of 1.5/1.5/7/1.5/1.5 and 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5, we are going to change the switches to be North facing for the tsangan layout 1.25/1.25/1.25/6.25/1.5/1.5. This allows people to use either layout without needing to pick a particular file to flash. If there is any objection, please let us know here or in the discord.

Thanks!

We figured it out guys, all LEDs will be south facing
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: steazy on Mon, 10 June 2019, 03:06:27
I am in love with this board!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: patently_odious on Mon, 10 June 2019, 10:29:37
Is raw, uncoated, non-anodized aluminum a viable case color option?  Aluminum naturally forms a protective oxide and a muted patina over time which might be interesting - has anyone tried this?

Superb layout and design - I'm very interested in this GB.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: WithoutWeakness on Mon, 10 June 2019, 14:46:15
Is raw, uncoated, non-anodized aluminum a viable case color option?  Aluminum naturally forms a protective oxide and a muted patina over time which might be interesting - has anyone tried this?

Superb layout and design - I'm very interested in this GB.
I don't think it would be as interesting as you might imagine. The aluminum oxide patina is basically a thin dull-grey outer coating. Given that the casing of a keyboard isn't usually handled directly in any manner I don't think you would really get any notable results other than a dull grey case for your keyboard. Maybe a wrist rest or integrated palm rests on something like a full-hand ErgoDox would be better but at best it would be somewhat shiny where your wrists sit/rub and dull grey everywhere else.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (formerly DB01)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Mon, 10 June 2019, 14:50:18
Is raw, uncoated, non-anodized aluminum a viable case color option?  Aluminum naturally forms a protective oxide and a muted patina over time which might be interesting - has anyone tried this?

Superb layout and design - I'm very interested in this GB.

Unfortunately, you might be the only person who would be interested in a raw aluminum case. Also, we will probably only offer 3 colors since additional colors will add more to the cost. Be sure to fill out the IC form so I can tabulate which colors are more popular! Thanks.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard 1800/CP (6/10 PROTOTYPE ORDERS PLACED)
Post by: aslejoh on Wed, 19 June 2019, 09:55:19
Love this!  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Thu, 04 July 2019, 13:45:13
Updates posted to OP
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: reidd on Thu, 04 July 2019, 18:44:11
Is raw, uncoated, non-anodized aluminum a viable case color option?  Aluminum naturally forms a protective oxide and a muted patina over time which might be interesting - has anyone tried this?

Superb layout and design - I'm very interested in this GB.

Unfortunately, you might be the only person who would be interested in a raw aluminum case. Also, we will probably only offer 3 colors since additional colors will add more to the cost. Be sure to fill out the IC form so I can tabulate which colors are more popular! Thanks.  :)

If there is a RAW option I will probably join hahah
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: cyyz on Thu, 04 July 2019, 21:32:53
I was hoping silver would be offered, but in for one regardless.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Thu, 04 July 2019, 21:34:25
I was hoping silver would be offered, but in for one regardless.

Depending on the price for a 4th color, silver might be added.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Fri, 05 July 2019, 06:39:50
I would jump in if ISO becomes an option.  It is a very clean design, like a lot.

Do you think ISO will be available?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Fri, 05 July 2019, 10:27:34
I would jump in if ISO becomes an option.  It is a very clean design, like a lot.

Do you think ISO will be available?

Thanks! We were hoping it would be a clean "endgame" workboard.

Unfortunately we're probably a little too late in the game to be implementing ISO. Hopefully you'll still consider joining.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 05 July 2019, 11:00:03
That blue is unnffff, very nice!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: sadmachine on Fri, 05 July 2019, 20:00:46
Will this be VIA-compatible?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 05 July 2019, 22:52:06
Will this be VIA-compatible?

Unfortunately no. VIA is not accepting anymore boards for now
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: objex on Sun, 07 July 2019, 22:16:15
I've been looking for a layout like this! And with qmk too? I am definitely in.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: RivieraS on Thu, 11 July 2019, 00:38:40
Cant wait
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:18:46
I would jump in if ISO becomes an option.  It is a very clean design, like a lot.

Do you think ISO will be available?

Thanks! We were hoping it would be a clean "endgame" workboard.

Unfortunately we're probably a little too late in the game to be implementing ISO. Hopefully you'll still consider joining.


This makes me very sad.  Why is ISO not considered a standard requirement.  There is a world outside of the US.  This keeb is beautiful but without ISO support it can't be my daily driver, which is exactly why I want it.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:34:17
Unfortunately the market is big enough in the US and also China that they can fill the maximum order quantity as ansi alone and so they just decide to ignore ISO because it is not worth the effort to cater for a few that would want ISO when those spots will be filled by ansi anyway as well as the useless reasons of pcb compatibility and plates with bigger cutouts.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:42:56
Unfortunately the market is big enough in the US and also China that they can fill the maximum order quantity as ansi alone and so they just decide to ignore ISO because it is not worth the effort to cater for a few that would want ISO when those spots will be filled by ansi anyway as well as the useless reasons of pcb compatibility and plates with bigger cutouts.

I get it but .... this hobby is nothing if not niche.  If the whole things starts to turn into a sales driven business, we all may as well just buy a decent Filco and get on with it.  ISO requirements is not even niche to start with.  Europe + UK + Ireland + many others.

Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:55:55
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 11 July 2019, 06:13:30
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)

That would be a good start.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Thu, 11 July 2019, 07:25:52
I would jump in if ISO becomes an option.  It is a very clean design, like a lot.

Do you think ISO will be available?

Thanks! We were hoping it would be a clean "endgame" workboard.

Unfortunately we're probably a little too late in the game to be implementing ISO. Hopefully you'll still consider joining.


This makes me very sad.  Why is ISO not considered a standard requirement.  There is a world outside of the US.  This keeb is beautiful but without ISO support it can't be my daily driver, which is exactly why I want it.

I will ask my team to see what they think and maybe we can come up with a solution. I do understand that there are a few out there that would like this board if it had ISO but here are some of the reasons why I decided not to include compatibility.



Hopefully we can come up with a solution for those who are interested in Austin but also want ISO. TBH, I think there is less than a handful but please let me know in Discord that you are interested so I can keep in mind how many are interested.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Thu, 11 July 2019, 08:45:00
I would jump in if ISO becomes an option.  It is a very clean design, like a lot.

Do you think ISO will be available?

Thanks! We were hoping it would be a clean "endgame" workboard.

Unfortunately we're probably a little too late in the game to be implementing ISO. Hopefully you'll still consider joining.


This makes me very sad.  Why is ISO not considered a standard requirement.  There is a world outside of the US.  This keeb is beautiful but without ISO support it can't be my daily driver, which is exactly why I want it.

I will ask my team to see what they think and maybe we can come up with a solution. I do understand that there are a few out there that would like this board if it had ISO but here are some of the reasons why I decided not to include compatibility.

  • ISO enter compromises the integrity of the Enter area on the PCB. My goal was to have a fairly fixed PCB layout and reduce any swiss cheese.
  • I personally wanted to reduce the risk of shipping too many boards outside of the U.S. While it shouldn't be an issue, there is always risk when having to declare and ship to other countries. This is my own personal preference. I understand there are people who ship overseas all the time but I still believe there is risk there.
  • Since I am in the U.S. and I am an ANSI user, I think it makes sense to offer ANSI. Similarly, if I was interested in a board that was being made from someone in the UK and all they offered was ISO, I would understand that. If someone in Japan offered only JIS, I wouldn't be upset because they decided not to include ANSI.


Hopefully we can come up with a solution for those who are interested in Austin but also want ISO. TBH, I think there is less than a handful but please let me know in Discord that you are interested so I can keep in mind how many are interested.

I do understand and am not actually mad at your decision.   It makes sense in every way.  I just hate missing out on keyboards as good as this one.  I know you understand where I am coming from.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 12 July 2019, 00:49:40
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)

That would be a good start.

PCB-wise, ISO implementation is not a problem at all. What really is at stake here is the philosophy of this board - a clean "endgame" type board, and ISO support does compromise both PCB and plate integrity.

Talking to bunnies we came up with an idea. The PCB will be released under the Acheron project, and as such will be published under Open-Source Hardwarw guidelines, meaning anyone will be able to order extra PCBs. Mind you this was agreed from the start. The files will be completely published in their KiCad form once the GB is over. We could take advantage of this and implement ISO compatibility in a posterior version after the GB, so you ISO guys can run an after groupbuy among you. If bunnies agrees I could also make plate files so you can easily and cheaply order them made from FR4, in the same package as the PCB.

I could also customize the PCB to your liking, adding or removing key support, even making an "iso only" version. I am willing to do this redesign free of charge so we can expand the lifetime and support of the board for the users.

Then again, this is an idea we are discussing. The problem with it is that by knowing you would order an extra PCB after, you would not want to buy the original GB version, and we are not splitting kits.

We could also offer the ISO PCB and ISO FR4 plate as an extra kit, but that should be discussed more because it would take a lot more logistics and possibly more prototyping. This brings a big issue: let's face it, only a handful of the GB participants would buy this kit and the PCBA factory MOQ is 5 PCBs. So we already have an MOQ. Not only that, at the small quantity of five PCBs, the unitary prices of manufacturing and assembling skyrocket to possibly 80 bucks a PCB, meaning that the supposed add-on kit could easily cross 100 dollars price.

A third idea would be as you said -- make the original PCB ISO compatible. Honestly I think we'll avoid that since it goes against the board philosophy of being simple and clean.

We'd love to hear you guys on these ideas. We really want to accommodate as much people as we can but, then again, this is a very limited run and our priority is to deliver a clean, high-end keeb.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Anakey on Fri, 12 July 2019, 02:16:04
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)

That would be a good start.

PCB-wise, ISO implementation is not a problem at all. What really is at stake here is the philosophy of this board - a clean "endgame" type board, and ISO support does compromise both PCB and plate integrity.

Talking to bunnies we came up with an idea. The PCB will be released under the Acheron project, and as such will be published under Open-Source Hardwarw guidelines, meaning anyone will be able to order extra PCBs. Mind you this was agreed from the start. The files will be completely published in their KiCad form once the GB is over. We could take advantage of this and implement ISO compatibility in a posterior version after the GB, so you ISO guys can run an after groupbuy among you. If bunnies agrees I could also make plate files so you can easily and cheaply order them made from FR4, in the same package as the PCB.

I could also customize the PCB to your liking, adding or removing key support, even making an "iso only" version. I am willing to do this redesign free of charge so we can expand the lifetime and support of the board for the users.

Then again, this is an idea we are discussing. The problem with it is that by knowing you would order an extra PCB after, you would not want to buy the original GB version, and we are not splitting kits.

We could also offer the ISO PCB and ISO FR4 plate as an extra kit, but that should be discussed more because it would take a lot more logistics and possibly more prototyping. This brings a big issue: let's face it, only a handful of the GB participants would buy this kit and the PCBA factory MOQ is 5 PCBs. So we already have an MOQ. Not only that, at the small quantity of five PCBs, the unitary prices of manufacturing and assembling skyrocket to possibly 80 bucks a PCB, meaning that the supposed add-on kit could easily cross 100 dollars price.

A third idea would be as you said -- make the original PCB ISO compatible. Honestly I think we'll avoid that since it goes against the board philosophy of being simple and clean.

We'd love to hear you guys on these ideas. We really want to accommodate as much people as we can but, then again, this is a very limited run and our priority is to deliver a clean, high-end keeb.

Why does it matter about having a clean pcb that is not seen when in the case? Plate I can fully understand so long as a plate file can be released then one can get one cut locally in the material of their choosing so you can keep the clean plate. This above post is just basically trying to politely ask those that want ISO not to bother.
Nevertheless it is your board and you are free to do as you please with it, I am sure there will be other 'High End' boards that would not be so entrenched in their ways and would be more accommodating to those outside ansi.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: finalarcadia on Fri, 12 July 2019, 07:14:54
Just say no to ISO :D

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 12 July 2019, 12:06:42
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)

That would be a good start.

PCB-wise, ISO implementation is not a problem at all. What really is at stake here is the philosophy of this board - a clean "endgame" type board, and ISO support does compromise both PCB and plate integrity.

Talking to bunnies we came up with an idea. The PCB will be released under the Acheron project, and as such will be published under Open-Source Hardwarw guidelines, meaning anyone will be able to order extra PCBs. Mind you this was agreed from the start. The files will be completely published in their KiCad form once the GB is over. We could take advantage of this and implement ISO compatibility in a posterior version after the GB, so you ISO guys can run an after groupbuy among you. If bunnies agrees I could also make plate files so you can easily and cheaply order them made from FR4, in the same package as the PCB.

I could also customize the PCB to your liking, adding or removing key support, even making an "iso only" version. I am willing to do this redesign free of charge so we can expand the lifetime and support of the board for the users.

Then again, this is an idea we are discussing. The problem with it is that by knowing you would order an extra PCB after, you would not want to buy the original GB version, and we are not splitting kits.

We could also offer the ISO PCB and ISO FR4 plate as an extra kit, but that should be discussed more because it would take a lot more logistics and possibly more prototyping. This brings a big issue: let's face it, only a handful of the GB participants would buy this kit and the PCBA factory MOQ is 5 PCBs. So we already have an MOQ. Not only that, at the small quantity of five PCBs, the unitary prices of manufacturing and assembling skyrocket to possibly 80 bucks a PCB, meaning that the supposed add-on kit could easily cross 100 dollars price.

A third idea would be as you said -- make the original PCB ISO compatible. Honestly I think we'll avoid that since it goes against the board philosophy of being simple and clean.

We'd love to hear you guys on these ideas. We really want to accommodate as much people as we can but, then again, this is a very limited run and our priority is to deliver a clean, high-end keeb.

Why does it matter about having a clean pcb that is not seen when in the case? Plate I can fully understand so long as a plate file can be released then one can get one cut locally in the material of their choosing so you can keep the clean plate. This above post is just basically trying to politely ask those that want ISO not to bother.
Nevertheless it is your board and you are free to do as you please with it, I am sure there will be other 'High End' boards that would not be so entrenched in their ways and would be more accommodating to those outside ansi.

In all honesty, I'm sorry if I came as arrogant. I was just presenting ideas, really. And I didn't want to "politely dismiss" anyone who wants ISO support. The main issue here, as you said, is the plate. The PCB can receive ISO support no problem.

Also you gave us a really good idea, which is do ISO compatible PCB and release plate files after the GB so that you guys can cut the plate. We are discussing this and honestly I think it's a good solution. Thank you for the help.

Again, ideas are welcome and we are here for feedback.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 13 July 2019, 06:41:23
A clean PCB does not come high on my priority, even when spending large sums on a keyboard.  ISO support is not just the UK, it is required for a large proportion of Europe as well, not to mention those that simply prefer its layout.

I appreciate more than most the complications of trying to make most of the people happy most of the time, having said that, if and when there is a simple inclusion that can be made at the start of a project like this, it should be made.  This hobby is very very niche.  It should always be about providing for the few that support it.

Either way I appreciate your hard work and fully understand the complications of trying to put something like this together.  You have my support and my respect for doing when others talk, I just might not be able to use this keyboard for my daily driver, which is exactly how I saw it.  There is no higher praise for any bespoke keeb than becoming the daily driver.  Most of our 'interest' boards don't get used that often.  The 'daily driver' becomes your friend.

Title: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 13 July 2019, 08:25:20
I'd say that once more the most easy solution would be to include iso compatibility in the PCB (few extra holes and that's it) and to release the plates files (after the gb) so potential ISO buyers can get their own plate cut. Plus, ansi buyer might want a different material plat so they can get that as well :)

That would be a good start.

PCB-wise, ISO implementation is not a problem at all. What really is at stake here is the philosophy of this board - a clean "endgame" type board, and ISO support does compromise both PCB and plate integrity.

Talking to bunnies we came up with an idea. The PCB will be released under the Acheron project, and as such will be published under Open-Source Hardwarw guidelines, meaning anyone will be able to order extra PCBs. Mind you this was agreed from the start. The files will be completely published in their KiCad form once the GB is over. We could take advantage of this and implement ISO compatibility in a posterior version after the GB, so you ISO guys can run an after groupbuy among you. If bunnies agrees I could also make plate files so you can easily and cheaply order them made from FR4, in the same package as the PCB.

I could also customize the PCB to your liking, adding or removing key support, even making an "iso only" version. I am willing to do this redesign free of charge so we can expand the lifetime and support of the board for the users.

Then again, this is an idea we are discussing. The problem with it is that by knowing you would order an extra PCB after, you would not want to buy the original GB version, and we are not splitting kits.

We could also offer the ISO PCB and ISO FR4 plate as an extra kit, but that should be discussed more because it would take a lot more logistics and possibly more prototyping. This brings a big issue: let's face it, only a handful of the GB participants would buy this kit and the PCBA factory MOQ is 5 PCBs. So we already have an MOQ. Not only that, at the small quantity of five PCBs, the unitary prices of manufacturing and assembling skyrocket to possibly 80 bucks a PCB, meaning that the supposed add-on kit could easily cross 100 dollars price.

A third idea would be as you said -- make the original PCB ISO compatible. Honestly I think we'll avoid that since it goes against the board philosophy of being simple and clean.

We'd love to hear you guys on these ideas. We really want to accommodate as much people as we can but, then again, this is a very limited run and our priority is to deliver a clean, high-end keeb.

Why does it matter about having a clean pcb that is not seen when in the case? Plate I can fully understand so long as a plate file can be released then one can get one cut locally in the material of their choosing so you can keep the clean plate. This above post is just basically trying to politely ask those that want ISO not to bother.
Nevertheless it is your board and you are free to do as you please with it, I am sure there will be other 'High End' boards that would not be so entrenched in their ways and would be more accommodating to those outside ansi.

Thanks for your feedback. I hope you can appreciate the fact that this started out much smaller than what it is turning out to be. There are reasons boards like Maarten's PlainC and Upas' AN-C exists. The purpose of those boards are to reduce the number of layouts so that there is less swiss cheese making it easier for the user to build their board.

We would be moving from something like this:
[attachimg=1]

To this:
[attachimg=2]

No matter how you look at it, the board is less complicated and easier to build. We're not trying to actively not include ISO users but given that this started as a very small project (20-30) units, including ISO was not one of our top priorities. I for one care about having a clean PCB when building even if I don't see it. Why do people buy multicolor switches if you don't see them? Why do weights have designs if you won't see them when you're using it? Since the hobby is still relatively new and growing, I think there is room to try different things even if it might seem "unaccomodating" or "entrenched in their ways".

Anyways, now that we are adding ISO compatibility, I hope to see your name on the GB list  :thumb:

A clean PCB does not come high on my priority, even when spending large sums on a keyboard.  ISO support is not just the UK, it is required for a large proportion of Europe as well, not to mention those that simply prefer its layout.

I appreciate more than most the complications of trying to make most of the people happy most of the time, having said that, if and when there is a simple inclusion that can be made at the start of a project like this, it should be made.  This hobby is very very niche.  It should always be about providing for the few that support it.

Either way I appreciate your hard work and fully understand the complications of trying to put something like this together.  You have my support and my respect for doing when others talk, I just might not be able to use this keyboard for my daily driver, which is exactly how I saw it.  There is no higher praise for any bespoke keeb than becoming the daily driver.  Most of our 'interest' boards don't get used that often.  The 'daily driver' becomes your friend.


Thank you for your support! It is very difficult to appease most parties. Since everything in this hobby is a preference, it's impossible have every option available to make everyone happy. Mentioned above, this projected started out small and got bigger as time went on which is why we did not consider including ISO. We are hoping to make these daily drivers for those who use a numpad often. I know I will be using it as one.

We will consider implementing the ISO compat but will think about how to add plates later. If we're unable to provide it in the GB, we will release an ISO only plate file for those who need it made.



I'd like to thank everyone for their feedback. Please feel free to join our discord server if you have any additional feedback. While it's fun to create a board that I know I will enjoy, I hope others will be able to enjoy it as well! It's much easier to make changes earlier in the process rather than later.

P.S. Please excuse Gondo's essay. He was high on medicinal drugs and is currently in the hospital working on the PCB. None of this would be possible without him.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Datastream on Sat, 13 July 2019, 09:00:36
This looks really cool! What would the projected cost be? Shipping to EU is going to be super expensive right?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 13 July 2019, 09:15:35
Currently the cost is $475 for a base kit before fees and shipping. I don't have shipping cost estimates at the moment but I hopefully will have a better idea once the GB starts.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: andrethreeclacks on Sat, 13 July 2019, 10:59:05
I think it is really nice that Driftingbunnies decided to add ISO support to the PCB. However, I must say all of the guilt tripping in this thread from some of the ISO group has left a bad taste in mouth. I don't remember people trying to make Yutski feel ashamed for not including ISO on their Alice PCB. I also don't understand the argument that because the hobby is niche that everyone should have their layout considered. Looking at the PCB now in the before and after pictures I can understand why a newer builder might feel more confident using the first option. There is wiggle room where the ANSI enter is placed thus requiring the person to pay more attention when trying to accomplish a perfectly aligned switch. If someone wants a clean PCB, that is their choice. In the same way that one buys colored switches that are never seen with caps, they making an individualized board for them. It will not change anything but what the person knows about how the board is built.

I just hope this line of complaining does not become commonplace because much of this thread felt like the antithesis of a supporting community. The most that should have been said "Ah man I love this board but since there is no ISO I will not be joining" and leave it at that. Jaekeebs does not go in guilt-tripping others into changing designs but does give praise to those that support the layout, I respect that of him and I believe that is the way it should be.

End of Rant
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Sat, 13 July 2019, 13:58:47
Not once did I complain. I have no right to as I am not doing the hard work of pulling this together. I just saw the perfect daily driver and wished to have it in ISO layout.

That is all.

If ISO is provided for in PCB and case I will be very happy and I am sure a lot of others will be as well. If not then that's also ok as this is only a hobby and people have lives and plenty of other stuff to worry about.


Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: andrethreeclacks on Sat, 13 July 2019, 15:29:38
"Why is ISO not considered a standard requirement. There is a world outside of the US. "

- if this is not a complaint then I guess its just an impassioned statement

Quote from: Anakey on July 11, 2019, 04:34:17 am
Unfortunately the market is big enough in the US and also China that they can fill the maximum order quantity as ansi alone and so they just decide to ignore ISO because it is not worth the effort to cater for a few that would want ISO when those spots will be filled by ansi anyway as well as the useless reasons of pcb compatibility and plates with bigger cutouts.

"I get it but .... this hobby is nothing if not niche.  If the whole things starts to turn into a sales driven business, we all may as well just buy a decent Filco and get on with it. ISO requirements is not even niche to start with.  Europe + UK + Ireland + many others."

-hyperbolic "the end of customs is neigh" because of one designer's choice

I respectfully disagree with your claim of not complaining once.

Anyway GLWB
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: badboy731 on Sat, 13 July 2019, 19:06:21
Oh wow. Very nice! Iím on board!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: hottrout on Sun, 14 July 2019, 04:32:36
Are you complaining about my lack of acceptance of my own complaining? 
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: GoofyBeanie on Mon, 15 July 2019, 16:48:12
Super in for this one~
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: tonsoffun49 on Mon, 15 July 2019, 16:58:10
May I ask why it is limited to only 40 boards? Is there a ballpark ETA on when the GB will start? (sorry if I missed it in an earlier post).
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Mon, 15 July 2019, 17:05:42
May I ask why it is limited to only 40 boards? Is there a ballpark ETA on when the GB will start? (sorry if I missed it in an earlier post).

40 was just the number I was comfortable with managing so I can deliver a quality product while having extras in case things go wrong. GB timeline is still waiting on firmware to be tested. Unfortunately our team is in 3 different timezones but we're working as quickly as we can. Thanks for your patience.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Datastream on Wed, 31 July 2019, 10:39:26
If there's more interest than spots available will it be first come first served or raffled entries?
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Wed, 31 July 2019, 10:50:55
If there's more interest than spots available will it be first come first served or raffled entries?

Unfortunately it's really hard to gauge interest and how that translates into people actually buying during GB. Since we're not like Keycult or other recognized keyboard makers/designers, I can't assume that demand will severely outstrip supply.

Fortunately there will be extras/b stock after the GB concludes so hopefully if you can't join the GB, there is a chance to get one afterwards. If there is enough interest for a r2, that is also a possibility.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: badboy731 on Sun, 11 August 2019, 19:59:24
Just take my monies man
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: VelourFog on Sun, 11 August 2019, 22:58:03
I really like this board, it makes me happy to see more than just 60% being made in this hobby.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: GraffitiDecos on Mon, 12 August 2019, 10:20:55
Great board! Full-size need some love!

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: absit on Tue, 13 August 2019, 11:10:26
I somehow overlooked this project.  As someone who uses the tenkey daily, 2u 0 is a huge quality of life improvement over the 1u on other 1800/96 style boards and I'm surprised it isn't implemented more often.  The only aspect that isn't ideal for me personally is the angle, 5.5 degrees is a bit flatter than I typically enjoy.  Not a deal killer though, so depending on timing, I may be able to jump on this one.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Gondolindrim on Tue, 13 August 2019, 15:02:10
I somehow overlooked this project.  As someone who uses the tenkey daily, 2u 0 is a huge quality of life improvement over the 1u on other 1800/96 style boards and I'm surprised it isn't implemented more often.  The only aspect that isn't ideal for me personally is the angle, 5.5 degrees is a bit flatter than I typically enjoy.  Not a deal killer though, so depending on timing, I may be able to jump on this one.

I get you. I use 2U 0 so much that the bottom part of my thumb is already callused and I cant use 1U anymore, I get all calculations wrong.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: pat.k.yan on Thu, 22 August 2019, 23:40:42
Wow, I've been in the market for an 1800 board for a while now - this one might be best layout I've seen!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: zantetsuken9000 on Sun, 25 August 2019, 06:04:41
On board with this!
Will be a perfect board for work.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: Daggerfall on Thu, 29 August 2019, 02:47:22
I want in, my body and my workplace-Ducky Shine 3-waiting-desperately-to-be-replaced are ready.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (7/4 PROTOTYPE REC'D, Testing PCBs)
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 29 August 2019, 06:36:58
Nice design.
The triangle logo is cool.
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Mon, 09 September 2019, 11:01:00
Thanks everyone for your patience! Rollout update has been posted to the OP ;D
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 09 September 2019, 12:14:04
Thanks everyone for your patience! Rollout update has been posted to the OP ;D
I don't know what exactly your intentions are for this group buy but if you are looking to lower pricing and attract more buyers, you could probably get them to make it for you and distribute it with Polaris pricing. But if you want to keep this a small, private run, that makes sense too!

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Mon, 09 September 2019, 12:26:38
Thanks everyone for your patience! Rollout update has been posted to the OP ;D
I don't know what exactly your intentions are for this group buy but if you are looking to lower pricing and attract more buyers, you could probably get them to make it for you and distribute it with Polaris pricing. But if you want to keep this a small, private run, that makes sense too!

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Thank you for your concern! My initial intentions were to create a board with a layout that I enjoy and see if there are others who would be interested in something similar. I'm not sure who you mean by "you could probably get them to make it for you and distribute it" but if you mean KBDfans, I would prefer to keep this as a smaller run. KBDfans is amazing at what they do and their ability to offer great products at what the community would consider "budget custom" prices is awesome. However, not all boards are aimed to be budget boards and not all GB runners can run hundreds of boards at a time. This is a hobby for me and I do not do this as a full time job so unfortunately I cannot compete with KBDfans when it comes to what they do. I also am realistic enough to know I will not sell as many boards of Austin as the Polaris. Similar to any other product that is custom or bespoke, there is a reason why prices are high and quantities are low. Hopefully you understand and will consider joining the GB. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: eniigma on Mon, 09 September 2019, 13:06:29
Thanks everyone for your patience! Rollout update has been posted to the OP ;D
I don't know what exactly your intentions are for this group buy but if you are looking to lower pricing and attract more buyers, you could probably get them to make it for you and distribute it with Polaris pricing. But if you want to keep this a small, private run, that makes sense too!

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Thank you for your concern! My initial intentions were to create a board with a layout that I enjoy and see if there are others who would be interested in something similar. I'm not sure who you mean by "you could probably get them to make it for you and distribute it" but if you mean KBDfans, I would prefer to keep this as a smaller run. KBDfans is amazing at what they do and their ability to offer great products at what the community would consider "budget custom" prices is awesome. However, not all boards are aimed to be budget boards and not all GB runners can run hundreds of boards at a time. This is a hobby for me and I do not do this as a full time job so unfortunately I cannot compete with KBDfans when it comes to what they do. I also am realistic enough to know I will not sell as many boards of Austin as the Polaris. Similar to any other product that is custom or bespoke, there is a reason why prices are high and quantities are low. Hopefully you understand and will consider joining the GB. Thanks!
Yep, just wanted to know where you were going with this. In terms of quality control, KBDfans could do that for you, but I know what you mean about wanting to keep the first batch small and very high quality. I'm planning to do the same thing soon. Good luck with the buy! I'm rooting for you!

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Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: captsis on Mon, 09 September 2019, 19:21:35
this is a great layout. im in!
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: thornkin on Mon, 09 September 2019, 23:36:24
Excited for this, but wish it wasn't so close in time to the hbcp. 
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Wed, 11 September 2019, 15:41:28
Excited for this, but wish it wasn't so close in time to the hbcp.

Yeah, unfortunately both Hiney and I had the bad luck of having the same delays (time-wise) for our boards. Initially we were both looking for a June/July launch but it looks like we're both going to have a Sept launch instead. Hopefully the extra time should give you time to save up unless you're going to buy the 7+ sets available this month.  :))
Title: Re: [IC] Austin - Compact Full Size Keyboard (Rollout Update!)
Post by: driftingbunnies on Sat, 21 September 2019, 08:40:53
GB Thread - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102542.0