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Title: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: Emir on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:18:48
LIVE LIVE LIVE https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101664.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101664.0) LIVE LIVE LIVE



Renders courtesy of fellow swede MacSurfy

WoB Lumina by GreenwaldDesigns
(https://i.imgur.com/OJl5ksg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/0zUczoR.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Nye2MH9.jpg)

BoW Prophet by CableCarDesigns

(https://i.imgur.com/UvWGZfZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/CUyUQNx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vkcBQ5j.jpg)

WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BmKeLkO.jpg)


Backstory

WoB Icon Kit ran initially in 2016 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80267.0), this is one kit a lot of people, including myself, have been waiting for to be ran again. Extension/Compatibility kits are in right now, so why not give it a go? :cool:
GMK WoB is more or less readily available through multiple vendors, but the fully fledged WoB base kits all feature text+icon mods. As some have come to know about me, I live and die by icon mods - this is a must have for me, and I assume many of you as well! BoW has also been added due to the huge surge of available BoW (CR+WS1) alternatives lacking icon mods, such as Minimal. It may also serve well as accent keys.



The kits

WoB:
(https://i.imgur.com/sFskeed.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

BoW:
(https://i.imgur.com/o1deIdH.jpg)

WoB+Bow combined kit proposal
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)

It features support for most layouts, omitting the bottom row as the available WoB sets have modern compatibility already. Colors are CR and WS1.
Control is also omitted in icon form, as that would require a bottom row that uses icons to make sense, and Control R3 is featured in the aforementioned WoB kits.


Details

Initial launch date: Launch 22 July!
Pricing + Vendors:
EU: Mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/) - 56 Euro
US: CannonKeys (https://cannonkeys.com/) - 54,99USD
Asia: KBDFans (https://kbdfans.cn) - 59,99USD



FAQ

# Adding R5 would be a great way to extend the compatibility for OG sets as well!
There is a running IC for R5 WoB compatibility currently ongoing here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101069.0). To me it would make little sense to increase the price of the kit when there's a project running for this already.

# Is the original runner alright with this?
Yes, we've reached out to him and got approval.



Updates

17th of June
- CannonKeys as the US Proxy
- Decision to add Windowed caps (unsure if only normal, or both stepped and normal)
- Considering adding a BoW-kit (CR on WS1), depending on interest

19th of Junes
- Added windowed Caps lock to the kits
- Added BoW as an alternate kit

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: mta on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:22:20
Awwww yea
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:23:14
Supporting the superior 1.5u Backspace and the better 1.75u Caps Lock/Control icon. I dig it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:25:57
Yeees, letz go!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Macmutant on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:26:14
This is a great extension for WOB. I will join, for sure. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:31:26
I'm interested. Consider including a windowed non-stepped Caps Lock key. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lukelex on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:38:25
Which board is this in the renders? Looks dope AF
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: vonswoopington on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:39:19
I'd be in for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: thearctican on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:43:52
Icons for everything, and a bottom row 1.5/1.25u caps lock would make me buy this.

The I consistency would be a bit too much for me (my only complaint about my modern Dolch set)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:45:00
Which board is this in the renders? Looks dope AF

Deep quartz lumina (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97020.0) by GreendwaldDesigns.

I'm interested. Consider including a windowed non-stepped Caps Lock key. :)

Not a bad idea, I will consider it for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: nephlock on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:53:07
Yup. Iím in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Lelantos on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:54:06
Is one of those shifts 2U?

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:55:29
Is one of those shifts 2U?

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Yep!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Lelantos on Sun, 16 June 2019, 16:56:17
Is one of those shifts 2U?

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Yep!
Nice, I'm in!

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: fleeceman on Sun, 16 June 2019, 17:03:07
100% in!

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sun, 16 June 2019, 17:04:57
finally, some good ****ing food
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: wholypantalones on Sun, 16 June 2019, 19:18:39
I could use another.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: dhb82 on Sun, 16 June 2019, 19:27:03
Im in on this
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lolafineday on Sun, 16 June 2019, 19:53:02
100% in

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: bard on Sun, 16 June 2019, 23:45:31
All in! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: glubazoid on Mon, 17 June 2019, 00:00:01
Thank you for using the upside down shift for caps lock, I'm in for this.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Mon, 17 June 2019, 02:14:12
Great feedback everyone! It confirmed my suspicion that there is a demand for this kit! :)

Quick update:
Cannonkeys by Upas is the proxy for the US, and initial preliminary expected projected supposed probable launch date is Mid july.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: tronix_41 on Mon, 17 June 2019, 05:44:27
I'd be in for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:27:53
I'm interested. Consider including a windowed non-stepped Caps Lock key. :)

YES +1

Stepped and reg LED windowed Caps
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:41:23
I'm interested. Consider including a windowed non-stepped Caps Lock key. :)

Windowed led keys for caps, num and scroll would be nice as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: vegs on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:47:27
Interested
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:48:41
I feel like icons fits WoB way better, as WoB is a minimalistic set.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:54:31
As per the discussion in discord, please consider an Esc and 7U space so the extension kit could act as a standalone accent kit for people using black on white.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:57:45
As per the discussion in discord, please consider an Esc and 7U space so the extension kit could act as a standalone accent kit for people using black on white.
Monochrome

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:58:23
I don't see the point of this kit without a bottom row.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: jaang on Mon, 17 June 2019, 06:58:59
Definitely in for one of these!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 17 June 2019, 07:08:46
As per the discussion in discord, please consider an Esc and 7U space so the extension kit could act as a standalone accent kit for people using black on white.

I wouldn't mind another ^-^ But is the 7u spacebar not common enough in the available WoB base sets?

ESC icon is dope as well :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: eskimojo on Mon, 17 June 2019, 07:21:02
I don't see the point of this kit without a bottom row.
Personally not a fan of icon bottom rows, but second that this kit would make sense with more icons (escape, bottom row, r3 control) - though adding bottom row could add lots of keys and thus raise price.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Mon, 17 June 2019, 09:14:33
Another update:
After feedback and consideration, these two additions are being worked on:
- Windowed caps (stepped and normal)
- BoW alternative (CR on WS1); not sure if separate kit or bundled together (depends on quote and DR on GMK calculation algorithms)

New renders are in progress... ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: booleanjulien on Mon, 17 June 2019, 09:31:18
I don't see the point of this kit without a bottom row.

I could see the point, but I too would love to see a bottom row. It's really the main reason why I'm interested in the WoB Hiragana IC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97358.0).

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97358.0;attach=219555;image)

So goddamn sexy.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: dk4one on Mon, 17 June 2019, 09:40:47
+1 for additional BoW extension kit. Normally adding more kits might be a bad idea, but in this case, they really help out and support one another (one kit could act as accent kit for the other, and vice versa). I would love to see a separate spacebar kit too if possible (two sets of 6.25U + 7U, one in CR black, one in WS1 white). Would go really well as accent kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 17 June 2019, 09:44:39
I have to say that I'd also like to see bottom row icon mods (as well as icon Esc, maybe, if done properly). +1 for that idea.

Also +1 for a separate BoW kit with the same support.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 17 June 2019, 09:51:25
Also +1 for a separate BoW kit with the same support.

+1 <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: eskimojo on Mon, 17 June 2019, 10:03:19
I'd also support a BoW version - would likely pick up one of each
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Dakk1d on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:09:31
Would love a vim-kit aswell. Is it possible?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: chriszhu on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:13:29
Yes please, and BoW would be nice as well for the versatility!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: glubazoid on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:19:57
Also wondering, do you know if BoW and WoB JTK colors match GMK colors? Iíve got JTK sets but I hate their mods, and this would be a great option- as long as the color matches of course
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 17 June 2019, 11:29:29
Also wondering, do you know if BoW and WoB JTK colors match GMK colors? Iíve got JTK sets but I hate their mods, and this would be a great option- as long as the color matches of course

Newer wob sets use WS1 for legends, but yeah the black color is essentially the same. Legends on jtk wob are a little more of a cream color iirc, Bow, I have no idea.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: runningngunning on Mon, 17 June 2019, 12:51:26
been waiting for one of these for a while! Count me in for two!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Mon, 17 June 2019, 16:35:01
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)
Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 17 June 2019, 18:06:48
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O

I mean, if you really wanna.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lolafineday on Mon, 17 June 2019, 18:09:59
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Yessir

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 17 June 2019, 19:27:28
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Yessir! I would love to have the option of both stepped and non-stepped windowed Caps, if it doesn't significantly change the price :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Tue, 18 June 2019, 10:51:35
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Yessir! I would love to have the option of both stepped and non-stepped windowed Caps, if it doesn't significantly change the price :)

Leaning towards stepped only as of right now, we will see! In any case, I think that it's a good addition to the kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: lolafineday on Tue, 18 June 2019, 11:36:36
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Yessir! I would love to have the option of both stepped and non-stepped windowed Caps, if it doesn't significantly change the price :)

Leaning towards stepped only as of right now, we will see! In any case, I think that it's a good addition to the kit.
Any reason for going stepped?

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: Emir on Tue, 18 June 2019, 14:17:46
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PHP3qHP.jpg)

Did someone want windowed caps? :O
Yessir! I would love to have the option of both stepped and non-stepped windowed Caps, if it doesn't significantly change the price :)

Leaning towards stepped only as of right now, we will see! In any case, I think that it's a good addition to the kit.
Any reason for going stepped?

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Hmm, it was difficult. First and foremost I imagine the people actually using a windowed caps are those who are looking for a retro look (not exclusively ofc), and those type of users also tend to go for stepped. Honestly though, it just looks better windowed than the standard caps does IMO. :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: tomu on Tue, 18 June 2019, 18:21:35
yes

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB Icon extension kit
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 18 June 2019, 18:23:34
would be nice to have stepped and non-stepped

but god bless u either way

Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 19 June 2019, 17:30:20
Update time ladies and dragons!

- BoW kit added!
- Windowed Caps added!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Zurg Eon on Wed, 19 June 2019, 18:41:22
In for WoB kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: vtachkov on Wed, 19 June 2019, 19:12:50
Can't believe I didn't see this the first day. In for a couple each of both kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 19 June 2019, 20:06:29
Love all the updates. Very thorough and detailed. Will be waiting at the door when you launch, and will pick up several kits of each version to support you! <3
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: ArchDill on Wed, 19 June 2019, 20:25:13
oooh nice
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: toejelly on Thu, 20 June 2019, 00:03:48
yes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Khers on Thu, 20 June 2019, 02:17:58
In!

You can never have enough icon mods. I need more of this:

(https://imgur.com/MJArGKo.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Rogue_Jellybean on Thu, 20 June 2019, 02:44:39
Interested in this to use with GMK Minimal! The worst part about that set was the use of text mods...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 June 2019, 04:44:08
Thank you Everyone!

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Current agenda:
- Look into adding an Esc key to both kits
- Separate spacebar kit for allowing use with common OG sets/use as accents, mainly 6.25 and 7u of each color, 4 spacebars total - Not much use to run other spacebars due to GMK Spacekeys

What do you think about these suggestions?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: azhdar on Thu, 20 June 2019, 05:06:30
What icon would be used for esc key ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 June 2019, 06:14:18
What icon would be used for esc key ?

It wouldn't use an Icon, it'd be text. The esc icon is IMO very ugly, and most people prefer to use text esc even though an icon esc might've been included in their kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: dk4one on Thu, 20 June 2019, 08:07:14
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Current agenda:
- Look into adding an Esc key to both kits
- Separate spacebar kit for allowing use with common OG sets/use as accents, mainly 6.25 and 7u of each color, 4 spacebars total - Not much use to run other spacebars due to GMK Spacekeys

What do you think about these suggestions?

100%. Please make a separate spacebar kit happened. I'm a big fan of 7U, but its okay to include 6.25U as well. I think now with just these small additions, they can be used as both extension kit and add on kit to pretty much any set out there, because black and white accents go well with everything. Huge plus for regular esc. I agree icon esc looks very ugly.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 20 June 2019, 08:41:34
A square Esc icon, like the one used in GMK WoB Hiragana or the HuB profile caps, looks a bit better than GMK's standard, circular one in my opinion.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 20 June 2019, 09:56:04
A square Esc icon, like the one used in GMK WoB Hiragana or the HuB profile caps, looks a bit better than GMK's standard, circular one in my opinion.

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=97358.0;attach=219535;image)

That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 20 June 2019, 11:12:29
I will have to agree, we will stick to standard text Esc should it be added to the kits. :/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 20 June 2019, 22:46:44
I will have to agree, we will stick to standard text Esc should it be added to the kits. :/
Standard Esc + spacebar kit are bae hihi
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: MacSurfy on Fri, 21 June 2019, 02:17:59
Add a BoG kit (maybe separate?) and then you have the mother of all replacement kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 21 June 2019, 05:06:43
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 21 June 2019, 05:14:25
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.
That's basically my mindset too - I'd never use them personally, but I think it just makes sense to include them in this.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: wholypantalones on Fri, 21 June 2019, 08:22:36
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.

I am not a pretty man, that's for sure.  :D

These are classic icon mods though, not to be confused with the inclusion of the odd "shape" icons that have been included with many recent group buys. Those kinda ruin a set imo.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Fri, 21 June 2019, 17:18:45
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.
That's basically my mindset too - I'd never use them personally, but I think it just makes sense to include them in this.

I hear you, but you need to go back and ask yourself what the purpose and goals are for these kits. It becomes very easy to stray from the initial goals because one could add keys endlessly that "make sense". It's not that I am not susceptible to feedback, it is me realizing that I need to prioritize feedback that I believe will benefit the initial goals of the kit. I've thought long and hard about a bottom row, but I really don't see the key increase as a worthwhile addition (that goes for both icon bottom row as well as text bottom row).

The main feedback I am looking at now is Otanis one for adding Esc keys to both kits, but also looking into a separate spacebar kit. Personally I do not see the reason for a spacebar kit as a standalone, but I do see and understand the argument for an Esc. I would love to hear some input on these two specific topics! :)

Also, it will be interesting to see the quotes for the WoB/BoW kits separately but also together, it's not a terrifying amount of keys and should be fine even combined... We will find out soon. :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 21 June 2019, 17:36:06
I hear you, but you need to go back and ask yourself what the purpose and goals are for these kits. It becomes very easy to stray from the initial goals because one could add keys endlessly that "make sense". It's not that I am not susceptible to feedback, it is me realizing that I need to prioritize feedback that I believe will benefit the initial goals of the kit. I've thought long and hard about a bottom row, but I really don't see the key increase as a worthwhile addition (that goes for both icon bottom row as well as text bottom row).

The main feedback I am looking at now is Otanis one for adding Esc keys to both kits, but also looking into a separate spacebar kit. Personally I do not see the reason for a spacebar kit as a standalone, but I do see and understand the argument for an Esc. I would love to hear some input on these two specific topics! :)

Also, it will be interesting to see the quotes for the WoB/BoW kits separately but also together, it's not a terrifying amount of keys and should be fine even combined... We will find out soon. :D

Love all the changes. Would love to make a few comments regarding the kit configuration (esc/bottom row icon mods/spacebar/etc.)

1) I think a regular esc is favored over icon esc regardless of what type in almost any case. It's more standard, and goes well with everything.

2) Same thing goes for the full icon mods bottom row. Nice to have, but once you start adding full icon support for bottom row, that's like 12 keys per kit we're talking about (both standard and tsangan support). Simply just not feasible for a small icon mods extension kit. Plus I think most people would rather prefer icon mods + text mods bottom row. Janglad did not replace the bottom row in his base kit for Modern Dolch with full icon mods for a reason.

3) I think a separate spacebar kit is nice. It enables the full accent combo potential. It works very nicely for people who only have either BoW or WoB set and want the full accent (esc, enter, space) combo. Having it as a separate kit would not put any financial strain on the main kit. As far as I know, separate spacebar kit has never struggled in the past, and the price should be relatively very affordable (ballparking around $20) so MOQ should be a breeze.

Anyways, thank you Mr. Emir for putting everything under consideration. Doing the god's work for us peasants...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 21 June 2019, 17:40:21
Cool Emir,

So the ESC in the kit is meant for accents on inverted setups?

If we are going to have the ESC.. make it right, make it metal :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: OtherAndrew on Fri, 21 June 2019, 17:58:51
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.
That's basically my mindset too - I'd never use them personally, but I think it just makes sense to include them in this.

I hear you, but you need to go back and ask yourself what the purpose and goals are for these kits. It becomes very easy to stray from the initial goals because one could add keys endlessly that "make sense". It's not that I am not susceptible to feedback, it is me realizing that I need to prioritize feedback that I believe will benefit the initial goals of the kit. I've thought long and hard about a bottom row, but I really don't see the key increase as a worthwhile addition (that goes for both icon bottom row as well as text bottom row).

The main feedback I am looking at now is Otanis one for adding Esc keys to both kits, but also looking into a separate spacebar kit. Personally I do not see the reason for a spacebar kit as a standalone, but I do see and understand the argument for an Esc. I would love to hear some input on these two specific topics! :)

Also, it will be interesting to see the quotes for the WoB/BoW kits separately but also together, it's not a terrifying amount of keys and should be fine even combined... We will find out soon. :D

A couple of thoughts:

I believe that the kits are fine as-is, but if people are buying these kits to have accents it makes sense to have escape included. Text over icon preferably.

Spacebar kit as proposed (6.25u and 7u) is less useful than adding an escape key since these sizes are already included in most GMK sets, and these keycaps would really only be useful as accents. I suggest adding 6u spacebars, as recent WoB/BoW kits either don't include them (e.g. GMK Minimal) or they're shoved into an extension kit that few people bought (e.g. GMK Metaverse).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Sat, 22 June 2019, 05:26:17
That's an external link icon, lol. That and the MoDo escape icon are hideous.
ur hideous

But no, jokes aside, I get what you guys mean. I still have to advocate for the inclusion of bottom row icon mods, though, since imo it makes a lot of sense in the context of an icon extension kit like this.
That's basically my mindset too - I'd never use them personally, but I think it just makes sense to include them in this.

I hear you, but you need to go back and ask yourself what the purpose and goals are for these kits. It becomes very easy to stray from the initial goals because one could add keys endlessly that "make sense". It's not that I am not susceptible to feedback, it is me realizing that I need to prioritize feedback that I believe will benefit the initial goals of the kit. I've thought long and hard about a bottom row, but I really don't see the key increase as a worthwhile addition (that goes for both icon bottom row as well as text bottom row).

The main feedback I am looking at now is Otanis one for adding Esc keys to both kits, but also looking into a separate spacebar kit. Personally I do not see the reason for a spacebar kit as a standalone, but I do see and understand the argument for an Esc. I would love to hear some input on these two specific topics! :)

Also, it will be interesting to see the quotes for the WoB/BoW kits separately but also together, it's not a terrifying amount of keys and should be fine even combined... We will find out soon. :D

A couple of thoughts:

I believe that the kits are fine as-is, but if people are buying these kits to have accents it makes sense to have escape included. Text over icon preferably.

Spacebar kit as proposed (6.25u and 7u) is less useful than adding an escape key since these sizes are already included in most GMK sets, and these keycaps would really only be useful as accents. I suggest adding 6u spacebars, as recent WoB/BoW kits either don't include them (e.g. GMK Minimal) or they're shoved into an extension kit that few people bought (e.g. GMK Metaverse).

I don't mind adding 6u spacebars, the grand total would only be 6 spacebars in the kit anyway - which shouldn't be all too expensive (even though a lot of OG sets feature 6u space).
I imagine some people getting the spacebar kit just to replace their existing, shiny one as well, as the spacebar is likely the key which suffers the most from use. :P

I'm all for offering it as a kit, if it makes it it makes it - if it doesn't then welp. I just need to doublecheck with vendors to see what refunds is like these days for failed kits, as IIRC paypal has been doing some shenanigans (idk if it's in affect, if it was but was revised, or what's going on...). I imagine no vendor would want to run a kit they don't really believe in just to run it.

Esc will be added; in text form.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: gfreeman11898 on Sat, 22 June 2019, 11:15:18
Probably will pick this up but I also need this in WS1 on N9 and CR on U9.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sat, 22 June 2019, 11:44:33

I don't mind adding 6u spacebars, the grand total would only be 6 spacebars

There are two different kinds of 6u spacebar, center stem and off-center, so that would be 8 spacebars total.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: bigapplepietart on Sun, 23 June 2019, 13:40:18
Iím in for 2-3 WoB sets and possibly a BoW set. Would love for some 7u spacebars, but itís not a dealbreaker for me. Itís been a long hunt to find someone selling a set, so this GB is perfect for me!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: ever9415 on Sun, 23 June 2019, 18:37:50
Is BoW and Minimal the same white?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 23 June 2019, 19:59:54
Is BoW and Minimal the same white?
BoW is just a generic term; there isn't one specific set called GMK BoW. That being said, yeah, both this BoW extension kit and Minimal use WS1.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: LightningXI on Sun, 23 June 2019, 22:44:27
GMK Barebones Stormtrooper technically was the first black on white GMK set and it used stock colors CR black on CP white.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 26 June 2019, 09:35:44
WoB is now available through drop.com again! Perfect opportunity to grab a set while waiting for this GB! :)

In the meantime, we are working on yet another BEAUTIFUL update. More on that very sooooon...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: fer.real on Wed, 26 June 2019, 10:39:59
WoB is now available through drop.com again! Perfect opportunity to grab a set while waiting for this GB! :)

In the meantime, we are working on yet another BEAUTIFUL update. More on that very sooooon...

It couldn't have been timed better!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 26 June 2019, 17:40:26
WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/BmKeLkO.jpg)


Proposed combined kit (esc added):
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: lolafineday on Wed, 26 June 2019, 18:08:37
WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/bqEj5gC.jpg)


Yes, yes, legends on right half bottom row, I know

Proposed combined kit (esc added):
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)

I'm for combining kits

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: ideus on Thu, 27 June 2019, 10:48:10
I am in if WoB is available as a stand alone kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 27 June 2019, 17:51:43
I am in if WoB is available as a stand alone kit.

With so few keys, a combined kit might still fetch a good price.

We are about to request some quotes, after that I will have a better base to make a decision from. If it becomes too expensive, it'll likely be kept separate - but I am hoping for a good pricing for the combined kit. We will see, I will let you all know! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 27 June 2019, 18:57:52
I am in if WoB is available as a stand alone kit.

With so few keys, a combined kit might still fetch a good price.

We are about to request some quotes, after that I will have a better base to make a decision from. If it becomes too expensive, it'll likely be kept separate - but I am hoping for a good pricing for the combined kit. We will see, I will let you all know! :)

Regardless, they'll both make good accents for either kit. Thanks for doing this one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 27 June 2019, 22:27:12
We are about to request some quotes, after that I will have a better base to make a decision from. If it becomes too expensive, it'll likely be kept separate - but I am hoping for a good pricing for the combined kit. We will see, I will let you all know! :)

If you don't mind, ask how much of a price difference adding a non-stepped windowed Caps Lock would make ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 28 June 2019, 02:50:55
We are about to request some quotes, after that I will have a better base to make a decision from. If it becomes too expensive, it'll likely be kept separate - but I am hoping for a good pricing for the combined kit. We will see, I will let you all know! :)

If you don't mind, ask how much of a price difference adding a non-stepped windowed Caps Lock would make ;)

If you are desperate for one, I have a few extras from the Blanks GB, when they ship. It would be blank then, but?  :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: fleeceman on Fri, 28 June 2019, 09:36:11
Curious what BoW sets these will match? Pristine?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: otanishock on Fri, 28 June 2019, 10:03:51
Curious what BoW sets these will match? Pristine?
Minimal
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Saga on Fri, 28 June 2019, 14:40:23
Badly want BoW right now
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: ricesteam on Fri, 28 June 2019, 15:11:15
Interested!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: appaboy on Fri, 28 June 2019, 21:19:15
in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: krey on Fri, 28 June 2019, 21:46:48
In and interested!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: lzlzh035 on Sat, 29 June 2019, 17:53:34
Including the bottom row in the set with icons might boost the sale so much since it can be purchased to match so many sets even tho you dont have BOW / WOB
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: OtherAndrew on Sat, 29 June 2019, 18:43:39
Including the bottom row in the set with icons might boost the sale so much since it can be purchased to match so many sets even tho you dont have BOW / WOB

lol no
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 29 June 2019, 19:30:21
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: diorite on Sat, 29 June 2019, 21:03:40
WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BmKeLkO.jpg)



Proposed combined kit (esc added):
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)


These renders are beautiful! Excited to see what the combined kit pricing will look like.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Sun, 30 June 2019, 06:45:37
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper

Heyo! Sorry to say, I went with WS1 which I believe is the most popular BoW currently, with over 1000 kits in circulation. I believe the modern white right now is ws1, so I catered to that. Sorry!

WoB + BoW accents TGR Alice by Yuktsi

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ovK5atB.jpg)


Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BmKeLkO.jpg)



Proposed combined kit (esc added):
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/iuKPByt.jpg)


These renders are beautiful! Excited to see what the combined kit pricing will look like.

Hey, yeah! Not many comments at all regarding the render quality - they're outstanding IMO! Thanks for noticing! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: neon_tom on Sun, 30 June 2019, 06:54:51
Iím definitely in for a WoB set but have no interest in BoW, so I hope they donít end up combined
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: dk4one on Sun, 30 June 2019, 07:27:02
+1 for a combined kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 30 June 2019, 12:58:15
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper

Heyo! Sorry to say, I went with WS1 which I believe is the most popular BoW currently, with over 1000 kits in circulation. I believe the modern white right now is ws1, so I catered to that. Sorry!

Iím definitely in for a WoB set but have no interest in BoW, so I hope they donít end up combined


I understand the color decision, but since i would not be able to use the BoW caps, i also would not want to buy a combined kit. hoping there will be an option where they are separate
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Sun, 30 June 2019, 14:03:42
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper

Heyo! Sorry to say, I went with WS1 which I believe is the most popular BoW currently, with over 1000 kits in circulation. I believe the modern white right now is ws1, so I catered to that. Sorry!

Iím definitely in for a WoB set but have no interest in BoW, so I hope they donít end up combined


I understand the color decision, but since i would not be able to use the BoW caps, i also would not want to buy a combined kit. hoping there will be an option where they are separate

Yeah, I see what you mean. If the price point of combining the kits is good enough where I believe people who only want one kit will think that it's still worth it, I will combine them. It all depends on the quotes that we get back.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 30 June 2019, 15:44:07
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper

Heyo! Sorry to say, I went with WS1 which I believe is the most popular BoW currently, with over 1000 kits in circulation. I believe the modern white right now is ws1, so I catered to that. Sorry!

Iím definitely in for a WoB set but have no interest in BoW, so I hope they donít end up combined


I understand the color decision, but since i would not be able to use the BoW caps, i also would not want to buy a combined kit. hoping there will be an option where they are separate

Yeah, I see what you mean. If the price point of combining the kits is good enough where I believe people who only want one kit will think that it's still worth it, I will combine them. It all depends on the quotes that we get back.

seems like you could offer both options - combined kit for reduced cost, and each kit individually. both types of buyers would contribute to moq and price drops, it would just be something for the vendor to track

not like adding a child kit that might not make it unless you combine with a base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: diorite on Sun, 30 June 2019, 17:33:57
this is interesting. but, what is the actual color of the white base of the BoW caps?

reallly hoping its CP white to use with stormtrooper

Heyo! Sorry to say, I went with WS1 which I believe is the most popular BoW currently, with over 1000 kits in circulation. I believe the modern white right now is ws1, so I catered to that. Sorry!

Iím definitely in for a WoB set but have no interest in BoW, so I hope they donít end up combined


I understand the color decision, but since i would not be able to use the BoW caps, i also would not want to buy a combined kit. hoping there will be an option where they are separate

Yeah, I see what you mean. If the price point of combining the kits is good enough where I believe people who only want one kit will think that it's still worth it, I will combine them. It all depends on the quotes that we get back.

seems like you could offer both options - combined kit for reduced cost, and each kit individually. both types of buyers would contribute to moq and price drops, it would just be something for the vendor to track

not like adding a child kit that might not make it unless you combine with a base kit.

Pretty sure that would be splitting up the moq, too. I think it might be better overall to have one option.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 30 June 2019, 18:02:17
The OP can offer both, join and split sets, alternatives and see which one reaches MoQ.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 01 July 2019, 09:48:22
Hi Everyone, small update:

KBDFans will be proxying for asia! It worked really well for Nines, and I am happy to partner up with good ole Wei for this as well! <3

I expect quotes from GMK this week, after that it will take a few days to sync pricing before I can reveal it here.



As for offering both combined and split, sorry - I don't think that's a good idea. :/ I will gather my thoughts and feedback after I know the pricing as the initial plan was. I won't offer the combined kit if the pricing isn't good enough where I believe people who only want one will be happy to pay for the combined.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 01 July 2019, 10:05:06
Main reason I'm against combined is I didn't get GMK Minimal for the reason of text only mods and I'd have to get it otherwise.

I own GMK Barebones Stormtrooper and that doesn't use WS1 for the white so I wouldn't want to get the white ones in a combined kit as they wouldn't be useful.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 01 July 2019, 10:36:45
Main reason I'm against combined is I didn't get GMK Minimal for the reason of text only mods and I'd have to get it otherwise.

I own GMK Barebones Stormtrooper and that doesn't use WS1 for the white so I wouldn't want to get the white ones in a combined kit as they wouldn't be useful.

Exactly, I fully understand that. That is why I said I will see if I think the pricing for a combined kit is good enough where someone such as yourself would still get the combined kit, even though you don't care for one of them. :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: appaboy on Sun, 07 July 2019, 03:30:58
Hi Everyone, small update:

KBDFans will be proxying for asia! It worked really well for Nines, and I am happy to partner up with good ole Wei for this as well! <3

I expect quotes from GMK this week, after that it will take a few days to sync pricing before I can reveal it here.



As for offering both combined and split, sorry - I don't think that's a good idea. :/ I will gather my thoughts and feedback after I know the pricing as the initial plan was. I won't offer the combined kit if the pricing isn't good enough where I believe people who only want one will be happy to pay for the combined.

sounds good! excited to hear the outcome!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Sun, 07 July 2019, 03:37:39
We've reached out to gmk but still no reply, I hear this is because the vacation period - and I guess gmk employees need their vacation too 😂 I hope we can hear back asap, I'll let you guys know.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 10 July 2019, 08:21:57
Quotes arrived, now syncing pricing with vendors! Will let you know ASAP!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: voxkey on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:17:47
Really excited for this. Thanks, Emir!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: dhb82 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:59:21
Very exciting, thanks for the update
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: jordowag on Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:11:36
Just got my WoB kit from Drop! Can't wait to get this beau too :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: evorus5 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 18:26:59
In for this !
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 11 July 2019, 03:57:28
Hmm, a bit of a dilemma here...

WoB Hiragana with icon mods is set to run concurrently with this, and being a 60% basekit, it will compete with this pretty heavily and have attractive pricing (guessing here).

The pricing for EU and US for combined kit is the following:
US - 54.99USD
EU: 56 Euro

IMO the combined kit pricing is good enough where it's worth getting even if only interested in one, for the accent possibilities. It saved quite a bit compared to splitting.

What do you think guys? Should I delay, should we go through with it as it targets different markets?

Let me know, this is about all of us that are interested, I like to be as transparent as I can.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 11 July 2019, 04:05:04
Hmm, a bit of a dilemma here...

WoB Hiragana with icon mods is set to run concurrently with this, and being a 60% basekit, it will compete with this pretty heavily and have attractive pricing (guessing here).

The pricing for EU and US for combined kit is the following:
US - 54.99USD
EU: 56 Euro

IMO the combined kit pricing is good enough where it's worth getting even if only interested in one, for the accent possibilities. It saved quite a bit compared to splitting.

What do you think guys? Should I delay, should we go through with it as it targets different markets?

Let me know, this is about all of us that are interested, I like to be as transparent as I can.
Thanks for the update Mr. Emir. WoB Hiragana is a 60% (niche) Hiragana (niche) set. Its a very niche within niche set! WoB extension kit is supposed to go with and support the full WoB set. Very different market and different target audience. Pricing for combined kit is very attractive, and I don't see a reason to split into separate kit. I think a combined kit is a right move. Very nice!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: dhb82 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 04:10:51
Is it possible to get it made at the same time, to maybe lower the price ?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: Degree on Thu, 11 July 2019, 04:18:17
I'd say run it, Hirgana has a different target audience. Also think the combined kit is worth it, don't think a lot of people will disagree
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: MacSurfy on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:44:41
Agree with previous posts. Hiragana is something different. This one should hit the market.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: yaya on Thu, 11 July 2019, 08:03:15
Personally, if they run at the same time, the only way I'm picking this set up vs WoB Hiragana is if you separate kits and the WoB is far cheaper.  Otherwise, I'd assume get bottom row icons and the Hiragana alphas along with it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: vtachkov on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:11:10
I'm personally more interested in the BoW mods. So if this didn't run then it wouldn't be possible to get BoW icon mods. Like the others have said, I would run with the combined set. If anyone doesn't want their extra BoW set I can take it off their hands ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (HUGE UPDATE! Kits+BoW)
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 11 July 2019, 14:09:54
I know this might not be feasible, BUT... I'll just get it off my chest.

The concept is great, but there aren't enough icon keycaps. Ideally (IMHO, YMMV, WDIKAA), all non-alphas in a base kit should be present: that means the bottom row mods, the uppper half of the nav cluster and the Esc key should be present as well (OTOH, space bars, arrows and the F1..F12 keys can be ignored safely); Num Lock and Enter from the numpad as well.

Imagine any of those larger kits with several sets of alphas. Get a base kit, get the alternate alphas... use the "base" alphas with a "mods!" kit, like what this one could be.


Also, N9/U9. Because obviously.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 16 July 2019, 07:02:37
This will go into GB the 22nd! That is this coming Monday, and will run until 31st of August.

Pricing + Vendors:
EU: Mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/) - 56 Euro
US: CannonKeys (https://cannonkeys.com/) - 54,99USD
Asia: KBDFans (https://kbdfans.cn) - 59,99USD

We will only offer the combined kit, I think the pricing is good! It was a difficult decision, but offering single kits was not worth it looking at the price, and I fear it'd struggle. I hope people who only want either/or will still consider this, as the accent combinations are vast!

Thanks everyone! :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Delirious on Tue, 16 July 2019, 08:21:01
Even though too late to change anything, but I would like to point out a few things because I was very interested in this IC.

1. Combined kit: not buying something that 50% of the kit is useless right off the bat
2. No bottom row: really pushing buyer's flexibility here, one of the best things about gmk is mix-n-match, but you cant do that with this even though this is an "extension" in a sense.
3. Esc key: this is another head scratching decision. Esc slot is notorious for artisan key so it's not a game changing addition. Secondly this contradicts your original intention of "extension kit" whereas you want buyers to use this in conjunction with other readily available set: you introduce a not so frequently use duplicate.

Between point 1 to 2 to 3, my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%. It is an extension that doesnt really extend the flexibility of cap choice, color mixing, or extra key usage. I barely browse GH these days so my apology for the late critique, didnt really change anything. I wish you a successful gb so we can get maybe round 2 or round 3 of a true extension kit in the near future.

(https://i.imgur.com/gXqzt0O.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 16 July 2019, 09:52:04
Even though too late to change anything, but I would like to point out a few things because I was very interested in this IC.

1. Combined kit: not buying something that 50% of the kit is useless right off the bat
2. No bottom row: really pushing buyer's flexibility here, one of the best things about gmk is mix-n-match, but you cant do that with this even though this is an "extension" in a sense.
3. Esc key: this is another head scratching decision. Esc slot is notorious for artisan key so it's not a game changing addition. Secondly this contradicts your original intention of "extension kit" whereas you want buyers to use this in conjunction with other readily available set: you introduce a not so frequently use duplicate.

Between point 1 to 2 to 3, my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%. It is an extension that doesnt really extend the flexibility of cap choice, color mixing, or extra key usage. I barely browse GH these days so my apology for the late critique, didnt really change anything. I wish you a successful gb so we can get maybe round 2 or round 3 of a true extension kit in the near future.

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(https://i.imgur.com/gXqzt0O.jpg)


Thank you for taking the time to note down your thoughts! Very well written feedback and I do agree, but I feel that you slightly misunderstand the point of this kit.
This kit is for one simple reason, to provide icon modifiers for WoB and BoW. This is a spin off of the kit that ran in 2016, that a lot of people missed and have been hunting - this is just a rerun with extended and modernized layout.

It's pretty simple - you have WoB and want to use Icon mods, but none of the frequently in stock WoB sets feature icon mods (except candykeys, but that base is very limited). This allows, at a pretty cheap price, for you to use icon mods with those. Minimal sold over 1k sets, so I think a fair few would care for icon mods for BoW as well (as voiced here and in other channels). Combining these may seem dumb, but it allows for a better price as well as accenting.

It was a difficult decision, but I still believe it was the right one. If I put myself in consumer shoes (well, I am a consumer and I want this), I would be willing to pay the kit price even if I only wanted one, which is ultimately why I decided to combine these.

Again, thank you for your well written feedback, I really appreciate it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: RETURNISO on Tue, 16 July 2019, 10:13:24
Even though too late to change anything, but I would like to point out a few things because I was very interested in this IC.

1. Combined kit: not buying something that 50% of the kit is useless right off the bat
2. No bottom row: really pushing buyer's flexibility here, one of the best things about gmk is mix-n-match, but you cant do that with this even though this is an "extension" in a sense.
3. Esc key: this is another head scratching decision. Esc slot is notorious for artisan key so it's not a game changing addition. Secondly this contradicts your original intention of "extension kit" whereas you want buyers to use this in conjunction with other readily available set: you introduce a not so frequently use duplicate.

Between point 1 to 2 to 3, my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%. It is an extension that doesnt really extend the flexibility of cap choice, color mixing, or extra key usage. I barely browse GH these days so my apology for the late critique, didnt really change anything. I wish you a successful gb so we can get maybe round 2 or round 3 of a true extension kit in the near future.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gXqzt0O.jpg)


I think OP mainly wanted this to work for WoB & BoW. Not a modifier ext. kit to be used to mix and match for the large range of GMK colors. 

There are many nice ways to use the kit. The "extra" Esc key can work well, as a accent for people with only one set of WoB or BoW.

The combined price just makes it alot cheaper in the end for everybody. Ex. Even though if you are only in need of WoB Icons. You can share the kit with a colleague etc.
You both end up getting a single colorway kit price much cheaper in the end ;)

My level of kit usefulness combining WoB & BoW is now at 97% ^-^

MUST BUY  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 16 July 2019, 10:50:52
my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%.

Probably just you tbh.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Lil on Tue, 16 July 2019, 11:51:57
How long is this kit running for?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: dhb82 on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:31:03
This will go into GB the 22nd! That is this coming Monday, and will run until 31st of August.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:35:50
How long is this kit running for?

This Monday until the last day of august (31st). :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Lil on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:39:07
Great, thanks; I'll definitely be picking this up then
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Emir on Wed, 17 July 2019, 04:57:57
Great, thanks; I'll definitely be picking this up then

Thank you for your patronage!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Khers on Thu, 18 July 2019, 08:28:24
Even though too late to change anything, but I would like to point out a few things because I was very interested in this IC.

1. Combined kit: not buying something that 50% of the kit is useless right off the bat
2. No bottom row: really pushing buyer's flexibility here, one of the best things about gmk is mix-n-match, but you cant do that with this even though this is an "extension" in a sense.
3. Esc key: this is another head scratching decision. Esc slot is notorious for artisan key so it's not a game changing addition. Secondly this contradicts your original intention of "extension kit" whereas you want buyers to use this in conjunction with other readily available set: you introduce a not so frequently use duplicate.

Between point 1 to 2 to 3, my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%. It is an extension that doesnt really extend the flexibility of cap choice, color mixing, or extra key usage. I barely browse GH these days so my apology for the late critique, didnt really change anything. I wish you a successful gb so we can get maybe round 2 or round 3 of a true extension kit in the near future.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gXqzt0O.jpg)


+1 on everything

I was initially very hyped for this. The points above, however, have limited my interest considerably; particularly combining both colourways into a single kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: Emir on Thu, 18 July 2019, 09:23:03
Even though too late to change anything, but I would like to point out a few things because I was very interested in this IC.

1. Combined kit: not buying something that 50% of the kit is useless right off the bat
2. No bottom row: really pushing buyer's flexibility here, one of the best things about gmk is mix-n-match, but you cant do that with this even though this is an "extension" in a sense.
3. Esc key: this is another head scratching decision. Esc slot is notorious for artisan key so it's not a game changing addition. Secondly this contradicts your original intention of "extension kit" whereas you want buyers to use this in conjunction with other readily available set: you introduce a not so frequently use duplicate.

Between point 1 to 2 to 3, my chance of seeing this kit as anything useful cuts down to about 20-30%. It is an extension that doesnt really extend the flexibility of cap choice, color mixing, or extra key usage. I barely browse GH these days so my apology for the late critique, didnt really change anything. I wish you a successful gb so we can get maybe round 2 or round 3 of a true extension kit in the near future.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/gXqzt0O.jpg)


+1 on everything

I was initially very hyped for this. The points above, however, have limited my interest considerably; particularly combining both colourways into a single kit.

I understand what you mean, but looking at the full picture it's really the only way that makes sense to me, MOQ-hitting wise and price wise.

Combining allows me to aim for higher MOQ quote, which makes it cheaper overall. You are losing out on ~13 euro by buying combined. With that info at hand, I hope you can reconsider.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (Launch 22/07, pricing revealed!)
Post by: tobiasvl on Thu, 18 July 2019, 09:31:22
I'm hyped for this at least Ė just ordered both the BoW and WoB NorDeUK++ kit as well. Now I only need BoW and WoB base... lol.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 22 July 2019, 04:34:30
aaand we are live! Thank you for being there for the first part of the journey, let's get this rolling for real! :)

Pricing + Vendors:
EU: Mykeyboard.eu (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/gmk-bow-icon-extension-kit_1121/) - 56 Euro
US: Cannonkeys (https://cannonkeys.com/collections/group-buy/products/gmk-wob-bow-icon-extension-kit) - 54,99USD
Asia: KBDFans (https://kbdfans.com/collections/group-buy/products/gb-gmk-wob-bow-icon-extension-kit) - 59,90USD

GB Thread up soon, awaiting approval!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:14:09
Will you add the two non-stepped windowed Caps Lock keys if this hits a higher number of units sold (e.g. 250)? :D

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:14:59
Will you add the two non-stepped windowed Caps Lock keys if this hits a higher number of units sold (e.g. 250)? :D

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Quote is based on 250 MOQ, which is a stretch - but I wanted to offer attractive pricing so we took the risk. If it hits 500 (highly unlikely I think...) I will definitely look to add keys!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:17:59
Oh, I assumed it was 100 due to the stock colors used. Alright, that sounds good, though I think 500 sold is unlikely as well.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: Emir on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:21:34
Oh, I assumed it was 100 due to the stock colors used. Alright, that sounds good, though I think 500 sold is unlikely as well.

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Stock colors are 150 MOQ for GMK to make, but they quote for 250 and 500 too, at cheaper prices. Set will get made at 150, but we based pricing expecting to sell 250, this allows us to offer it at a better price.

A risky gamble, but I think 250 is not unreasonable for this!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 22 July 2019, 05:23:15
Yeah, 150 is what I meant, thanks for the correction.

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: tobiasvl on Mon, 22 July 2019, 15:53:56
Huh, are there any downsides to ordering from KBDFans even if you're not based in Asia? Free shipping makes it cheaper for me to buy from there than the other vendors, and AFAIK they sometimes/often undervalue the package too so there's no import fees...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: ideus on Mon, 22 July 2019, 17:53:59
Would be in if the sets were separated.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 22 July 2019, 18:10:04
Would be in if the sets were separated.

I you want i can take a extra set BoW icons?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK WoB/BoW Icon extension kit (LIVE! AWAITING GB THREAD APPROVAL)
Post by: Emir on Tue, 23 July 2019, 05:02:34
Yeah I think it won't be difficult to sell the half you really don't want.

Still waiting for thread approval, sorry guys.