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Title: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:16:52
I welcome you to the interest check for SP SA Yuri and potentially DCS ALPS Yuri.

The group buy is scheduled for this autumn on Drop.

The main keyset in this topic is SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri is a secondary goal which should be kept in mind. Since ALPS sets are rare - i thought this would be a good experiment to try out and it gives alps users an opportunity.
Anyway enough of talk and Yuri exists already in cherry profile - so i think everyone knows what this keyset is about. If not then google for Yuri Gagarin ;)

SP SA Yuri

Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/GEKMz7a.png)
Cyrillics
(https://i.imgur.com/ysBhwg4.png)
Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/NNuNjJI.png)
Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/dP93Yls.png)
Modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/v9AafDr.png)
Cyrillic modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/lN1yLuu.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SEcmEYD.png)
Numpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)
Ergodox kit
(https://i.imgur.com/kn9eAHb.png)
40%
(https://i.imgur.com/JDvIDbd.png)
Novelties
(https://i.imgur.com/0VVKu1k.png)
ISO UK
(https://i.imgur.com/hAZ6CRa.png)
Spacebars
(https://i.imgur.com/wW4Jjtr.png)
Spacekeys
(https://i.imgur.com/7aOTSe0.png)


DCS ALPS Yuri
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:17:17
занято!

Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)

New renders from Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/3FcCV3D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iXD1aIM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JK1hcCz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y0WPv5e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhzLGle.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KCyiuAD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lHVMhNU.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:19:12
Glorious! Cant wait.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:20:01
Definitely very interested in this keyset, I love the colourway. ISO support would be great for the SA set.

Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:22:44
Neat... would love more yuri
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:24:31
Yes please!

Will these be custom colours or any standard SP colours?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vlie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:24:43
Original Sa!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:30:51
Yes please!

Will these be custom colours or any standard SP colours?

Original SP colors ;) Despite Yuri was designed as GMK set in first place, i took the SP colors and SP samples were also used to create GMK custom colors.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: neon_tom on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:31:18
Im not super interested in SA but +1 for DCS Alps
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Capsy on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:35:08
Will make a shrine for tombery if he pulls off the DCS Yuri set.

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: SantiGo on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:35:24
I look forward for ALPS  :thumb: :thumb: good job :thumb: :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: ABrotherThatIsUndercover on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:36:34
100% in for the Alps set if it goes to GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: _ODIN_ on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:37:22
Very interested in DCS Alps too.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: harlekein on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:38:38
Very interested in Cyrilic. It would be great if a second 1.5u blank could be added to ortho/40% kit for the likes of CRKB, Atreus, etc.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:46:07
занято!

Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)


Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:47:35
Update

40%
- added additional 1.5u blank key
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)

DCS ALPS Yuri
- added missing none accent escape key.
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:48:10
занято!

Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)


Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?
It was a nod to the Glorious keys kit in the GMK Drop
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:48:43
занято!

Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)


Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?

Its from glorious kit. It will be added later.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:51:58
занято!

Oh look i still have that render from Oblotzky
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ng9NNeF.png)


Curious about the origin of the hammer and sickle in the render?

Its from glorious kit. It will be added later.

Nice.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:52:16
Did he just say DCS ALPS YURI?! 

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: EMC Labs on Sun, 07 July 2019, 08:53:56
Yes, please!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: piercejenkins on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:01:05
The 40s kit pretty much fills ortho mods, but would it be possible to add a 1u backslash and key in mod colors to round it out? Or better yet, add an ortho kit? Im getting this either way, but dont want to have to get the cosmo kit to make it work.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: ST999 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:02:15
Wow, never saw this coming!
Hope the DCS set makes it to the GB.


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:14:28
ne glorious kit avail
Edit: Just saw Tomb3ry's comment on it
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:19:42
The 40s kit pretty much fills ortho mods, but would it be possible to add a 1u backslash and key in mod colors to round it out? Or better yet, add an ortho kit? Im getting this either way, but dont want to have to get the cosmo kit to make it work.

I will add those keys in the next update.

ne glorious kit avail

In the next update probably. Most probably glorious keys would be only available in Yuri colors and its going to be part of Novelties. In GMK Yuri i did Glorious keys also for other keysets (like the salty kit in carbon) but SP (or rather their plastic supplier) is inconsistent if it comes to colors and thus the glorious keys would not match the keysets which were produced before.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: garbo on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:22:13
The Alps kit...  :eek:

Let's hope SP can be gentle with the pricing
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:24:40
The Alps kit...  :eek:

Let's hope SP can be gentle with the pricing
Lol SP pricing makes GMK seem like it's made in China
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:41:22
Very nice. Could we have the Colevrak kit for SA English Alphas? And the Glorious kit like GMK please.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: fractl on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:42:32
Might have gotten the ortho kit, but an orange esc and no orange enter key would look just too unbalanced.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: bthezebra on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:49:44
Would it be possible to have DCS Alps that uses Alps stabilizers for better compatibility?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: cijanzen on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:51:19
Would it be possible to add cosmos color to the spacekeys kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: otanishock on Sun, 07 July 2019, 09:59:18
Thank you for your work, Tom! Will buy as many as I could to support you, as always. 👍
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:07:50
Ne colevrak kit?

I'm interested either way.

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: rowie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:12:11
Definitely in! Is cosmos missing a matching 6.25u and 7u spacebar? Or are we supposed to just use orange? Would be nice to have a matching spacebar for a complete mono look.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:20:16
Very nice. Could we have the Colevrak kit for SA English Alphas? And the Glorious kit like GMK please.

Ne colevrak kit?

I'm interested either way.

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Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.

Regarding the glorious kit. SP is inconsistent if it comes to colors and two different color batches for the same color code might differ in shade from each other. Say if i produce glorious keys for a set which was done time ago then there is a high chance what you will see a shade difference. Thus i will offer only glorious keys for Yuri. GMK on the other hand is very consistent ;)

Would it be possible to add cosmos color to the spacekeys kit?

I'll look into it.

Would it be possible to have DCS Alps that uses Alps stabilizers for better compatibility?

AFAIK DCS ALPS offers only cherry stabs compatibility. Source: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62274.0
Otherwise making alps stab compatibility would cost a fortune.

Might have gotten the ortho kit, but an orange esc and no orange enter key would look just too unbalanced.

I will add that orange enter key in the next update.

Definitely in! Is cosmos missing a matching 6.25u and 7u spacebar? Or are we supposed to just use orange? Would be nice to have a matching spacebar for a complete mono look.

I will add the missing colors for spacebars and spacekeys in the next possible update.

Thank you for your work, Tom! Will buy as many as I could to support you, as always. 👍

Thanks for support buddy  ;)  :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:31:13
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)

No no-accent R3 Esc?

I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: scoopbb on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:34:30
i cant stand typing on SA. too bad yuri is dope
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:41:46

Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.


Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.


Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:42:39
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)


No no-accent R3 Esc?

I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.

Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.

regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:46:35
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)


No no-accent R3 Esc?

I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.

Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.

regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.

(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:49:34

DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)


I am in for Alps DCS!  Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:54:07

DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)


I am in for Alps DCS!  Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

Signature plastics has a Cherry replica font.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:54:56
Holy **** DCS Alps
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: XtReeM1337n355 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:57:41
I might be misinterpreting it, but are you offering only one dcs alps base kit for everyone to fight for? Or, is it a moq alps base kit only set?

Aside that, I hope you get the green light for this!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: rowie on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:58:44

Definitely in! Is cosmos missing a matching 6.25u and 7u spacebar? Or are we supposed to just use orange? Would be nice to have a matching spacebar for a complete mono look.

I will add the missing colors for spacebars and spacekeys in the next possible update.

Oh yeah! Thanks, Im super excited for an SA version. Time to start hyping this up.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 10:59:33

Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.


Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.





Thats the dilemma here, with lower moq the pricing will go up and i am not sure if people who are really interested in getting Yuri with colevrak will still be ready to get it. And MOQ of 50 is too high. Realistically it would be MOQ of 25. There are also Cyrillic alphas which do rival (because its an alternative) the colevrak and international kit. Cyrillic (if you don't really use it for Russian layout) can be used like blanks and do fit that way any layout.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)


No no-accent R3 Esc?

I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.

Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.

regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)


Thanks Tuxedo Mask!
P.S. no i am not watching Sailor Moon but i know it from my youth  ;)


DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)


I am in for Alps DCS!  Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:05:15
I might be misinterpreting it, but are you offering only one dcs alps base kit for everyone to fight for? Or, is it a moq alps base kit only set?

Aside that, I hope you get the green light for this!

Every kit has its own MOQ. So there will be no fighting. If someone wants the DCS ALPS Yuri he gets just that kit.


DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)


I am in for Alps DCS!  Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

Signature plastics has a Cherry replica font.

Yes that's true but it belongs to another designer and i need a permission to reuse it. Otherwise i have to make my own "cherry replica". I mean i have my cherry font but as you know it would cost something since basically whole DCS ALPS Yuri set will require custom legends.
Title: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:09:10
I love that you care about fonts, but honestly we Alps folks are so thirsty for new keycaps we will be fine with any font as long as this set is made reality.
This is exciting.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: fer.real on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:29:36

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.

I love that you care about fonts, but honestly we Alps folks are so thirsty for new keycaps we will be fine with any font as long as this set is made reality.
This is exciting.


That could not have been said better.

My suggestion for using a standard SP font was only intended as a failsafe in case this set gets too expensive.  My preference is to have this set look the way you envision.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:33:57
Im in for Alps. I assume is going to be abs doubleshot right?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tronix_41 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:37:59
I would pay more for a lower international-kit moq. Rather pay more than have nothing, my personal opinion.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zilleon on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:45:03
Was super excited when I saw the title of the post, and then very sad due to the lack of a Colevrak kit T_T
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jonowarren94 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 11:52:08
I would pay more for a lower international-kit moq. Rather pay more than have nothing, my personal opinion.

Same would love a NordeUK kit, appreciate the ISO in novelties too innovative solution.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: norb on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:04:28
this is dope af, but i still gotta ask, is there a chance that gmk yuri will come back at some point in the future?
i'm asking because i was dumb enough to skip the cyrillics kit back in 2017 and i do regret it. i wasn't aware of the rabbit hole that opened right up in front of me after buying my first gmk set :eek:
now there's the possibility to get a full sa version or wait and hope for a gmk r2.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:12:41
I'd love to see a new Alps set but price would be a huge factor. I wanted to get Alps Throwback but the price was more than I was willing to pay.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:20:06
this is dope af, but i still gotta ask, is there a chance that gmk yuri will come back at some point in the future?
i'm asking because i was dumb enough to skip the cyrillics kit back in 2017 and i do regret it. i wasn't aware of the rabbit hole that opened right up in front of me after buying my first gmk set :eek:
now there's the possibility to get a full sa version or wait and hope for a gmk r2.

GMK Yuri will happen again but not any time soon. Thing is that drop spots are plenty so i guess it will redrop probably in 2021.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 07 July 2019, 12:41:36
Good dyesub AT101 or SGI caps run about $220 on r/mm.  Id be willing to pay that much for yuri alps with more interesting colors and better coverage. Bring it
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: monovertex on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:09:51
I just discovered GMK Yuri yesterday and I am extremely interested in a chyrillics set. I was also thinking that I want to discover a SA set as well, because I never had one. So basically you read my mind!

Im sold on chyrillics, ergodox and novelties sets.


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:30:31
Update

All alphas kits
- Added 6.25u spacebar.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZOtaW8U.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)

Modifiers kit
- Removed 6.25u spacebar
(https://i.imgur.com/u2wTnBp.png)

40%
- Added non accent escape key in row 3.
- Removed all the blank keys (they have been moved to spacekeys!). Keep in mind you can still use novelties for 1.25u and 1.5u keys. 40% buyers should not forget to get the spacekeys kit at this point just like the WKL users have to think about getting 7u spacebars.
(https://i.imgur.com/LuHGjMF.png)

Spacebars
- Added mod colored spacebar to each spacebar kit. (6.25u and 7u are two separate kits.)
(https://i.imgur.com/wW4Jjtr.png)

Spacekeys
- Removed 3u spacekey because there is no direct support for Minila.
- Added 2x1u spacekeys for each color (grid plank).
- Added mod colored spacekeys.
(https://i.imgur.com/7aOTSe0.png)


Title: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nephlock on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:32:36
Would it be possible to add cosmos color to the spacekeys kit?

Doubling down on this. Would be great to have the option of a full cosmos set

Edit: I guess it happened while I was typing! Thanks for the update!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: LXVRGS on Sun, 07 July 2019, 13:40:45
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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jackcauliflower on Sun, 07 July 2019, 14:18:29
Oh my god its happening! Been waiting for this set in SA profile ever since the original GMK run. Cant wait! :hype:


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 07 July 2019, 14:25:58
The cosmos set is really nice. Definitely interested.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Pheyn on Sun, 07 July 2019, 15:38:54
+1 for alps! I only recently started to dive into the alps world so I'll be keeping an eye on this :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 07 July 2019, 15:43:13
ALPSSSS
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Sun, 07 July 2019, 15:51:12
In for both! Can't get enough SA, and some non-beige Alps are a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: AaronR on Sun, 07 July 2019, 16:13:49
Any chance of a Mac OS X kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: iammeuru on Sun, 07 July 2019, 16:21:53
Only interested in the DCS Alps set if you can pull it off, but good luck on the SA set too.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: KorbenDallas on Sun, 07 July 2019, 16:35:46
DCS Alps Yuri? Yes and Yes! I've been searching for a decent Alps set with more compatibility for a planned build, this would be  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Nigolski on Sun, 07 July 2019, 16:51:27
FINALLY SA YURI  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: gabe-o-tron on Sun, 07 July 2019, 17:19:15
I'm definitely interested in the Cyrillic kit if there will also be a Cyrillic modifier kit or an icon modifier kit. I'm not crazy about the idea of having Cyrillic alphas with English modifiers.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 07 July 2019, 17:38:34
I'm definitely interested in the Cyrillic kit if there will also be a Cyrillic modifier kit or an icon modifier kit. I'm not crazy about the idea of having Cyrillic alphas with English modifiers.

+1

With GMK set I was irked that, even with multiple sets of all of the kits, I still needed some English mods to cover TKL and numpad mods (home end pg up down etc)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: heliar_mk on Sun, 07 July 2019, 18:15:58
Need 2u shift in 40%


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Myoth on Sun, 07 July 2019, 18:28:26
about the DCS set and the Cherry legends, wouldn't it easier to use the molds from DCS Alpine Winter ? which is a DCS Alps set with the regular text + icon mod legends (and alphas).

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75515.0
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: euphxenos on Sun, 07 July 2019, 19:30:27
I'd be interested in an Alps set, but only if it included the numpad.  I'm looking for something to cover an Alps build of a Southpaw 65.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 07 July 2019, 19:34:58
Im sure there are lots of details to iron out, but you also should consider the alternative alps mount that Alps throwback used.  I think it fits better on alps switches (especially matias), than their standard mount.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:11:04
This is awesome...
Any timelines in mind ? need to start saving for this.
SA Royal Navy is coming, and now this and I need both.

Normally not an alps user - no alps boards,  and one of the reasons for this is the scarcity of the caps - sorry I do like my boards to have non beige caps.
Never tried DCS either, so this is also a must buy for me...
Hopefully this comes to fruition.....
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dk4one on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:12:37
So nice! I think all the kit configurations look good. I don't mind having cyrillics alphas + latin mods. They don't bother me. It's been done before (pure hiragana + regular mods on GMK sets). I think everything already looks good as is. Very nice!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: cyyz on Sun, 07 July 2019, 23:14:51
Yuri looks great on SA, cant wait.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nappis on Mon, 08 July 2019, 00:28:24
Definitely going to buy a set with Cyrillic alphas! Yuri is looks so good in SA  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: kookiemunstur on Mon, 08 July 2019, 00:40:17
Sweet been waiting for this set for a long time.
For the numpad kit is it possible to add an "=" as opposed to 2 "-"
Im one of those people who uses 2 keys vs the 2u "+" spot on a numpad
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 08 July 2019, 00:45:19
Awesome.  Yuri will look great on SA and DCS.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Harms on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:20:49
Will this be on drop?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:44:02
Will this be on drop?

i think so
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:44:36
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 01:46:52
might consider cadet alphas legends with the cosmos alphas background
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 08 July 2019, 02:17:46
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo

Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 03:05:46
This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo

Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.

you certainly have a point, thanks
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Surefoot on Mon, 08 July 2019, 03:11:16
I like that set, i would be in with ISO UK support (maybe included in the extended modifier set ? or in the main set like most GMK group buys ?)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Applet on Mon, 08 July 2019, 05:05:22
I also think reusing legends from alpine winter could be a good idea, to keep the price down.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: lewisflude on Mon, 08 July 2019, 06:08:18
ISO compat should be in base, and would be great to see a NorDeUk kit too!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Cods on Mon, 08 July 2019, 06:50:57
Definitely in for SA. Nice.

Definitely in for ALPS, as Im going to try them - I have a dead Apple board with complicated ALPS (white) but am on the lookout for a great set of keys and a 65% board/plate/case.

For the ALPS set, its great that youre even thinking of offering it - thank you. Ill be straight, DCS is my least favoured profile (hence why I own zero GMK) but if a great looking ALPS set is available, Im in anyway :) DCS forever...?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 08 July 2019, 07:15:27
Instant buy for me, and have been dreaming for this in SA, thx t0mb3ry
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adxlk on Mon, 08 July 2019, 08:26:38
please please please

(https://i.imgur.com/UoNTEVx.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 08 July 2019, 08:50:40
Definitely will buy cadet kit if offered, but if same can be done with Cyrillic, it will be perfect..imho
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: harlekein on Mon, 08 July 2019, 09:15:31
Removing the 1.5u keys from ortho is kind of a deal breaker for me. I'm not big on these novelties. Maybe I'll just get the Cyrillic alphas and use blanks as modifiers

Definitely will buy cadet kit if offered, but if same can be done with Cyrillic, it will be perfect..imho

Seconding Cyrillic cadet alphas. This would be amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Neodeus on Mon, 08 July 2019, 11:10:09
NOOO. Don't do it! If you do I will HAVE to spend more money I don't got :*(
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 08 July 2019, 12:57:42
Update

ISO UK
(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)
It will probably cost around 40$ at 25 MOQ. If it does not hit its MOQ....

This would be nice for MT3 rather than SA. imo

Yuri colorway would require the doubleshot tooling for MT3, #1 t0m might not like the font that matt3o chose for Susuwatari #2 Susuwatari isn't finished yet so it would not be wise to run a set on a production line that hasn't wrapped up its first set yet.

This. Also those colors, even if double shot, are not possible for PBT.

Any timelines in mind ?

Autumn. No further information cuz NDA.

I also think reusing legends from alpine winter could be a good idea, to keep the price down.

The legends for Cherry Replica were funded privately and given all the circumstances i don't think i get a slight chance to get a permission. Even if it was not funded privately the initiator owns all rights for these molds!
In the end i do always my own stuff if needed.


Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.

I love that you care about fonts, but honestly we Alps folks are so thirsty for new keycaps we will be fine with any font as long as this set is made reality.
This is exciting.


That could not have been said better.

My suggestion for using a standard SP font was only intended as a failsafe in case this set gets too expensive.  My preference is to have this set look the way you envision.

I asked Yanbo already for the end quotes for the kit with full custom legends and for kit with standard DCS legends. Depending on how expensive it is, i will decide the way to go.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Rob27shred on Mon, 08 July 2019, 13:57:07
DCS ALPS mount Yuri!?!?!?!?!?! :eek:
(https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600x600/11429736/head-explosion.jpg)

Yes please!

Also extremely down for SA Yuri, but if I have to choose between the two a new ALPS mount set in an awesome colorway kinda takes the cake for me. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:05:30
Cyrillics
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)


The Cyrillic legends have a few errors/inconsistencies that need to be addressed:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:19:51
Cyrillics
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/i5OsCwO.png)


The Cyrillic legends have a few errors/inconsistencies that need to be addressed:
  • The Cyrillic legends overall are larger than the Latin legends. I doubt this is intended, so it should be fixed.

This is a render, I'm sure the legends will be adjusted to be exactly the same height as the gorton modified latin legends. T0mb3ry is very picky about these details.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 08 July 2019, 14:20:23
Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.

This is a render, I'm sure the legends will be adjusted to be exactly the same height as the gorton modified latin legends. T0mb3ry is very picky about these details.
That's fine, it's my job to point out the inconsistencies where I see them. I'm sure Tombery will address them in the final product.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 08 July 2019, 16:35:29
Д, Ц, Щ baselines should be aligned with the other characters' baselines, and the descenders should drop below the baseline. Currently, these characters are centered within the keycap, which is incorrect as they're a bit farther up than they should be.

Д, Ц, Щ have the same base as other legends. Tho their tails go beyond the base as it supposed to be. You can see such approach in other Cyrillic fonts.

The same goes for Й and Ё, except they sit a bit lower than they should. The main part of these characters should be aligned with И and Е, and the breve/diaresis should be set above it without affecting the characters' overall position within the keycap.

Same as with Д, Ц, and Щ the letters Й and Ё have the same base but their strokes/dots go beyond the base. Regarding the alignment. Those are mockups and they are made for presentation of keys constellation and they should be fast to edit. Of course, if we place a ruler in front of it, there are many misalignment but its not the purpose of the mockup being perfectly aligned. That is the task of manufacturer because its the manufacturer who is making the legend molds. Its obvious for manufacturer that these should be aligned as perfectly as it gets. And the end renders for each kit will be also perfectly aligned.

И is too narrow, it should be the same width as Й, П and Н.

This is actually a good catch. This is old version and my current И version has the same width as Й. П and Н have slightly different width and the are based on the Latin H from Gorton Modified.

The У shape is odd. Sans-serif Cyrillic fonts like this usually don't have a У that looks blocky; the shape should look more like this: У (the curved tail at the bottom is optional).

This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.

The middle stroke in Н should be vertically centered, and, in fact, the character should look exactly the same as Latin H. Currently, the middle stroke is a bit lower than it should be.

I made H after the scanned Gorton Modified DSA keyset and it had that lowered bar. But it can be made centered.

The diagonal spurs in Ж usually have the same shape as in К. This is currently not the case and should be changed.

Again this is not Sans-serif. The Cyrillic K is just like the K in Latin. There is no rule which tells Ж has to be that way. Gorton Modified is based on simplicity which is perfect for double shot process.

The Ж legend isn't tall enough.

It has the same base as other Cyrillic legends.

The З legend is too large and too thick.

Good catch i scaled the vector in the beginning with wrong multiplier. That's why its too large in the mock-up.

The К legend appears too wide / stretched out. It should be exactly the same as the Latin K legend.

It is the same K as Gorton Modified Latin K.

The Cyrillic legends overall are larger than the Latin legends. I doubt this is intended, so it should be fixed.

Not really. You probably are comparing Cyrillics with Latin Mockups. Latin Mockups are not using Gorton Modified but Gotham Rounded font. Those are similar but different Fonts. My Cyrillics are based on the proportions of scanned Gorton Modified DSA keyset. Its not 1:1 but its similar/close. And of course i will not mix it with already existing Latin letters like i did in GMK Yuri but all the Cyrillic alphas will be done from scratch. So overall it does not matter if they have the same thickness with existing letters or not. It should not be mixed.




Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.

Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.
(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)
In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.


Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.
Λ and Δ are Greek letters  ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Techno Trousers on Mon, 08 July 2019, 19:53:27
I really appreciate all the attention to detail here. The Cyrillic alphabet is fascinating to me. I was just reading the other day how it's closer to Greek than the Latin alphabet is. I'm not a Russian speaker (at least not yet) but I've played around with learning the alphabet and how to pronounce words... Very slowly, like a little kid. Lol. I have a few Cyrillic sets, and looking forward to adding SA Yuri to the collection.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 00:08:07
I really appreciate all the attention to detail here. The Cyrillic alphabet is fascinating to me. I was just reading the other day how it's closer to Greek than the Latin alphabet is. I'm not a Russian speaker (at least not yet) but I've played around with learning the alphabet and how to pronounce words... Very slowly, like a little kid. Lol. I have a few Cyrillic sets, and looking forward to adding SA Yuri to the collection.

Cyrillic is derived from Greek alphabet but they both are familiar to the Latin alphabet.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: hhkbp2 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:17:53
(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)

Hi OP, I'm not an user of this kit but I think you should double check the profile for the row of "@," keys.

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:23:53
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)


Hi OP, I'm not an user of this kit but I think you should double check the profile for the row of "@," keys.
Oops. I forgot to move r3 and r4 labels....

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: d.caminero on Tue, 09 July 2019, 05:42:48
Definitely in for DCS ALPS Yuri, although I would like some more keys for better compatibility, specially for 40% boards.
SA is looking awesome as well, the cyrillics are a must have and the dark alphas look beautiful. Eager for renders!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 July 2019, 07:12:12
...

Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.

Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)

In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.

So, from what I understand, a lot of the issues I listed are already fixed. However, I had no way of knowing this without accurate renders, as all I had to go off was the render in the OP. It'd be great if you could post an updated render, and your current version of the font, for further critique :)
You're right that GMK Yuri has the best Cyrillic legends by far. I'm not yet seeing that level of quality here, though, so there's room for improvement.
I'm a native Cyrillic user, been using it all my life every day, and I'm also a non-native speaker of Russian (B1). I'm into typography as a hobby (especially Cyrillic typography, modern as well as historic) and would love to help any way I can.


This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.

Sans-serif is anything that doesn't have serifs :) Keycap typefaces (as well as all grotesque typefaces) are indeed sans-serif.
You should change to a У shape, it fits the style of the font better. It also makes more sense from a typographic standpoint, as a У shape would allow for better kerning if the font were used for typesetting text. I don't know any fonts off the top of my head that have a blocky У but don't have other blocky glyphs as well. A blocky У shape like that is very uncharacteristic/uncommon/non-traditional.


Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.
Λ and Δ are Greek letters  ^-^

Л and Д have variants shaped like Λ and Δ that are usually used in display fonts. The letters are still Л and Д, so it's 100% Cyrillic ^^

(https://i.imgur.com/SWVExjl.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 July 2019, 12:37:35
...

Overall i am not a professional typographer and i am doing it as hobby. I got little bit knowledge here and there and i developed already few fonts for keysets. If you are a professional typographer i am definitely open for suggestions.
Tho you have also to understand Cyrillic alphabet because i get sometimes the feel some non Russian speaking people look at Cyrillic like at ancient Egypt symbols. Its the same as Latin alphabet but with few additions.

Just for display here is an old version of Gorton Modified Cyrillics.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/YBMP0Fo.jpg)

In my current version i've improved some letters, like Д which has the same base as all other letters but with tails extending beyond it. All those improvements are based upon my experience i've got from GMK Yuri. And to be honest (i am not bragging), as a dude who speaks Russian, GMK Yuri has probably the best double shot Cyrillic up to this date (pardon if i missed some nasty vintage Russian keyboard). Vintage Cherry Cyrillic is an unspeakable abomination. That's why i made my own Cherry Cyrillic version.

So, from what I understand, a lot of the issues I listed are already fixed. However, I had no way of knowing this without accurate renders, as all I had to go off was the render in the OP. It'd be great if you could post an updated render, and your current version of the font, for further critique :)
You're right that GMK Yuri has the best Cyrillic legends by far. I'm not yet seeing that level of quality here, though, so there's room for improvement.
I'm a native Cyrillic user, been using it all my life every day, and I'm also a non-native speaker of Russian (B1). I'm into typography as a hobby (especially Cyrillic typography, modern as well as historic) and would love to help any way I can.

Yeah there few corks which might need fixes but its also not the final version. It needs definitely some fine tuning. Anyway thanks for the offer, if i will be in need of help i will get back to you ;)


This is not Sans-serif. This is my interpretation of Gorton Modified Cyrillics which do no exist. This is its own font and it should not be compared with other fonts. And Gorton Modified does not follow any rules of other fonts.
Fonts like Cherry and Gorton Modified are designed specifically for the double shot process. They are rounded and simple because of that. Those fonts are grotesque in terms of typography (they have flaws... do they really?) but they are still loved for that they are. I want to continue this trend. Tho indeed У is little bit too futuristic for this 'aged' font. I might look into a better version for it.

Sans-serif is anything that doesn't have serifs :) Keycap typefaces (as well as all grotesque typefaces) are indeed sans-serif.
You should change to a У shape, it fits the style of the font better. It also makes more sense from a typographic standpoint, as a У shape would allow for better kerning if the font were used for typesetting text. I don't know any fonts off the top of my head that have a blocky У but don't have other blocky glyphs as well. A blocky У shape like that is very uncharacteristic/uncommon/non-traditional.


My plans for У is to make it in the same style as i did in GMK Yuri. Its simpler and will match Gorton Modified better.


Another thing to consider is that, since Gorton Modified is a fairly display-ish font, you might want to consider using the Λ and Δ shaped variants of Л and Д. It might look a bit cleaner that way.
Λ and Δ are Greek letters  ^-^

Л and Д have variants shaped like Λ and Δ that are usually used in display fonts. The letters are still Л and Д, so it's 100% Cyrillic ^^

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/SWVExjl.png)


Well those Л and Д styles are indeed Russian but the Д has those tails. This one Δ is Greek delta. Anyway the font in your example is "futurism" style and it was often used for soviet propaganda.
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gsDL0APDL._SY450_.jpg)
Note the Д in this poster.

Its pretty cool style but it does not match the Gorton Modified font IMO.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 09 July 2019, 13:45:37


Update

ISO UK
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/L9BA8Iz.png)

It will probably cost around 40$ at 25 MOQ. If it does not hit its MOQ....

A colevrak kit could reach a 25 MOQ :)

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tronix_41 on Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:11:04
still hoping for a nordeuk kit!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 09 July 2019, 14:26:38
Thoughts on combining Novelties + Die Kirsche into one big kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 09 July 2019, 19:34:23
My plans for У is to make it in the same style as i did in GMK Yuri. Its simpler and will match Gorton Modified better.

Good idea, I think that will work well. Do the same for Ж and simplify it further, like in GMK Yuri, by eliminating the horizontal strokes on the spurs. That way it will stylistically match the straight У and К.


Well those Л and Д styles are indeed Russian but the Д has those tails. This one Δ is Greek delta. Anyway the font in your example is "futurism" style and it was often used for soviet propaganda.
Show Image
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61gsDL0APDL._SY450_.jpg)

Note the Д in this poster.

Its pretty cool style but it does not match the Gorton Modified font IMO.

I had to use Δ get my point across since there is no separate Unicode character for a triangle-shaped Д (it's just a font variation). So yes, Δ is a Greek letter, but I was talking about the Δ-shaped letter Д :) Anyway, the triangle shaped glyphs are also common in modern-day Russian adverts, theater and movie posters etc. However, you are right that Л and Д might typographically be a better match for Gorton Modified.
Btw, the little tails are called descenders :)


I will be looking forward to an updated version of the font/kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Farbee on Tue, 09 July 2019, 19:51:34
This set looks great!

Also, this conversation about fonts has been very informative and entertaining  :))
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dsaf on Wed, 10 July 2019, 05:41:30
1. Any chance of F-row flex kit?

2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adamcobabe on Wed, 10 July 2019, 06:08:17
The Alps set would use Cherry mount for stabilizers, correct?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 10 July 2019, 08:21:24
Some renders plz.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:27:23
Some renders plz.

I'm taking care of those after finishing some other projects & comissions, no worries.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:39:47
Yay....can always count on O man for this
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 10 July 2019, 09:50:58
Some renders plz.

I'm taking care of those after finishing some other projects & comissions, no worries.

Please make sure to add 3 base kits too!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:46:40
Yuri cyrillics has fast become one of my favorites. No surprise it looks great on SA too! I'm interested in the ALPS kit, especially if nothing changes but even if its a more traditional font and less expensive.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 July 2019, 10:57:35
Unfortunately i have bad news for ALPS users. Signature Plastics do not offer DCS ALPS as ABS anymore. There are issues with stems which do tend to brake. They offer DCS ALPS as PBT. Tho Yuri is not possible with common PBT plastic.

I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.

1. Any chance of F-row flex kit?

2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?

(Attachment Link)

1. Maybe but i do not promise.

2. It will be aligned as it was done in GMK Yuri. I'll change the alignment with the next update.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: ZombieOfZimbabwe on Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:06:54
Unfortunately i have bad news for ALPS users. Signature Plastics do not offer DCS ALPS as ABS anymore. There are issues with stems which do tend to brake. They offer DCS ALPS as PBT. Tho Yuri is not possible with common PBT plastic.

I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.

1. Any chance of F-row flex kit?

2. Would it make any sense to position the ISO enter novelty icon like the standard ISO enter text (top centre)?

(Attachment Link)

1. Maybe but i do not promise.

2. It will be aligned as it was done in GMK Yuri. I'll change the alignment with the next update.
Was just planning an alps build with this when I saw this update. I dont really care what profile, so long as it runs, Ill more than likely still be in. Thanks for your hard work :)


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 11:37:57
Unfortunately i have bad news for ALPS users. Signature Plastics do not offer DCS ALPS as ABS anymore. There are issues with stems which do tend to brake. They offer DCS ALPS as PBT. Tho Yuri is not possible with common PBT plastic.

I put ALPS Yuri in the question quotes in the title for the time being. I want to know if Signature Plastic is offering another profile for ALPS in ABS. I'll let you know once i get info on that.


Well dang! I remember there being issues with dsa lightcycle but I never had issues with dcs sets like Alpine Winter or Infinity Mods. I wonder if 5 side sublimation is still an option
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:16:49
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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:20:01
that's it.  it's time to talk to tai hao.  do it.  Drop has channels with them, they've done a few custom caps for buys before.  GO.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 10 July 2019, 14:39:19
that's it.  it's time to talk to tai hao.  do it.  Drop has channels with them, they've done a few custom caps for buys before.  GO.

This TaiHao?

(https://i.imgur.com/PGVknCb.jpg)

I don't think T0mb3ry would be very fond of them.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 10 July 2019, 15:08:23
that's it.  it's time to talk to tai hao.  do it.  Drop has channels with them, they've done a few custom caps for buys before.  GO.

This TaiHao?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PGVknCb.jpg)


I don't think T0mb3ry would be very fond of them.

oops.  forgot :(

Well crap.  WHY do alps caps have to be so darn complicated.  AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 10 July 2019, 17:52:10
Oblotzky's render is always charming.
Love it so much.  :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Wed, 10 July 2019, 19:36:38
Have been waiting a long time for this, and putting money aside to go all out. Missed this thread posting by a few days, but very excited now!

No Carbon color Glorious key for SA?  :( :(
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 July 2019, 00:45:46


No Carbon color Glorious key for SA?  :( :(

SP (or rather their plastic suppliers) is inconsistent if it comes to colors. From batch to batch the colors do differ in shade. And because of this it makes little sense to offer glorious keys for other keysets.

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: usually3 on Thu, 11 July 2019, 01:20:11
ALPS ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 July 2019, 02:31:44
I just get an info from SP. Unfortunately SP does not support doubleshot ALPS at all. Say there is no alternative profile which I could take for Yuri.

That means I can not offer you ALPS Yuri which is sad IMO.


I will update topic title once I get back home. And of course I will take DCS ALPS kit out.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / ??? ALPS Yuri ???
Post by: KorbenDallas on Thu, 11 July 2019, 05:32:15
Aww no alps is a bummer, I appreciate the effort though. Im sure SA Yuri will be a hit :thumb:!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sat, 13 July 2019, 19:10:03
wait no glorious kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 July 2019, 02:11:02
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)

wait no glorious kit?

 :D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: coffeeshopcoder on Sun, 14 July 2019, 02:46:37
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)


wait no glorious kit?

 :D

Sweet !
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: tuppaware on Sun, 14 July 2019, 21:04:27
I'm keen for this set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 15 July 2019, 12:33:40
Is there even a possibility of Latin alphas with Cyrillic sublegends with SP? Can we get it in this drop. May push cost a little but I am sure there is a market for them.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 July 2019, 12:56:36
Is there even a possibility of Latin alphas with Cyrillic sublegends with SP? Can we get it in this drop. May push cost a little but I am sure there is a market for them.

Maybe. I am waiting for something then i will decide.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: MeloDet on Mon, 15 July 2019, 17:45:18
Ooo. In for Alps DCS
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 15 July 2019, 20:45:50
Ooo. In for Alps DCS

hm... awkward  :p

Quote
I just get an info from SP. Unfortunately SP does not support doubleshot ALPS at all. Say there is no alternative profile which I could take for Yuri.

That means I can not offer you ALPS Yuri which is sad IMO.


I will update topic title once I get back home. And of course I will take DCS ALPS kit out.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 16 July 2019, 07:02:20
Is there even a possibility of Latin alphas with Cyrillic sublegends with SP? Can we get it in this drop. May push cost a little but I am sure there is a market for them.

Maybe. I am waiting for something then i will decide.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet, there is a hope then, plz plz plz make it happen.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: lewisflude on Tue, 16 July 2019, 07:51:53
Thank you for adding more ISO!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 12:35:18
IMPORTANT POINTS BEFORE COMMENTING THE RENDERS BELOW
Rendering was done by Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/44J2fBL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/5pCORqV.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HEHFsQO.png)

Cosmos version will follow.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 12:49:27
Thanks for the work. They look cool, but to be honest with you I prefer the separate legends, either latin or cyrillics. I think one of the best thing about SA is the center legends, and most people like it because of it. I think offering three different alpha kits in one drop is already more than enough. The more kits you offer, the more spreadout the purchase will be, and the harder it gets to hit MOQ/next tier of price drop.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: gabe-o-tron on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:04:12
Thanks for the work. They look cool, but to be honest with you I prefer the separate legends, either latin or cyrillics. I think one of the best thing about SA is the center legends, and most people like it because of it. I think offering three different alpha kits in one drop is already more than enough. The more kits you offer, the more spreadout the purchase will be, and the harder it gets to hit MOQ/next tier of price drop.

Totally agree. Would love a kit that's just cyrillic alphas and another that's just cyrillic modifiers.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:16:18
Thanks for the work. They look cool, but to be honest with you I prefer the separate legends, either latin or cyrillics. I think one of the best thing about SA is the center legends, and most people like it because of it. I think offering three different alpha kits in one drop is already more than enough. The more kits you offer, the more spreadout the purchase will be, and the harder it gets to hit MOQ/next tier of price drop.

MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:30:28
MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.

Oh that's very nice. Good to know. I still love some heavy price drop discount tho for higher moq tier with high sale number concentrated in a few kits :D. I feel like three different alpha kits in one drop is already very healthy. But ultimately, its up to you. Still buy no matter what.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:53:25
The Cosmos version.
(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:54:23
The Cosmos version.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)

Endgame keycaps locked-in

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 16 July 2019, 13:57:15
MOQ is not an issue with SP as with GMK. And the single alphas will stay as they are.

Oh that's very nice. Good to know. I still love some heavy price drop discount tho for higher moq tier with high sale number concentrated in a few kits :D. I feel like three different alpha kits in one drop is already very healthy. But ultimately, its up to you. Still buy no matter what.

(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)

Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:04:22
The Cosmos version.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)


its giving me Soviet nuclear data vibes that feel pretty good. I'm also digging the vertically aligned legends like the vintage boards and space cadet.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: norb on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:19:52
the "double" mod legends seem crowded imo, will there be cyrillics only mods also? or only these and the standard ones?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: monovertex on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:33:36
Is the Cyrillic only still happening? That was the best part of the set :(


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: LXVRGS on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:40:50
Love the dual legends
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 16 July 2019, 14:52:58
the "double" mod legends seem crowded imo, will there be cyrillics only mods also? or only these and the standard ones?

I doubt there will be single Cyrillic mods but we will see how things do develop.

Is the Cyrillic only still happening? That was the best part of the set :(

I did not said anywhere about Cyrillic only not happening. I just presented the renders for dual legends....
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: monovertex on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:00:23
Alright, sorry, got a bit confused between all the replies. Thanks for the great work!


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:04:23
Between dual legend mods and pure cyrillic mods, I would prefer pure cyrillics mods. I think pure Latin (regular mods) and pure Cyrillics are very nice!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 16 July 2019, 15:45:01
Shout out to dual legends, in both alpha colours, since moq is not an issue with SP, I hope that we all get our wishes. If available I will buy all sets of alphas, this may be my last SP set(only exception will be SA Oblivion if it drops again ), already done with GMK.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: nappis on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:06:04
Pure Cyrillic alphas and mods please!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: spooknik on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:48:51
Love the dual legends

Me too. It's authentic as well, many of my Russian colleagues have keycaps with both legends.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: OracleKev on Wed, 17 July 2019, 01:58:58
Love the dual legends

Me too. It's authentic as well, many of my Russian colleagues have keycaps with both legends.

Love it.  Like the double legends modifiers too.  :thumb:

Perfect for the theme.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 10:49:30
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit

- Added DCS ALPS kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)
I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 17 July 2019, 11:20:09
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit

- Added DCS ALPS kit.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)

I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)

(https://i.imgur.com/nIyT189.gif)
Title: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nguyenhimself on Wed, 17 July 2019, 11:53:08
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4f982767ecad04257200003d-1200/the-posters-were-made-between-1958-and-1963-see-translations-under-each-image.jpg)

YES!!!
And the Alps logo enter is a good idea, if only so that in the future, one can quickly see if a build spotting Yuri keycaps is an Alps or MX one.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:01:24
I dont know which are the difference between the standard leyends and those you want to change to, but im in whatever legends you use
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:07:43
УПРАВЛ instead of КОМАНДА, ДОПОЛН or СМЕНА instead of АЛЬТ? ;)

Good improvements on the font all around. Good job! I still see a few inconsistencies/quirks with some of the glyphs, but I'll defer my critique for now and give you time to polish and bring the font closer to its final form.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: D3LTA on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:14:32
I really like how the Cyrillic characters align with the Yuri theme. My preference would be for Cyrillic only mods. Personally, I think the double mods look too cramped. I would love the option to purchase Cyrillic alphas + Cyrillic mods .
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:17:55
УПРАВЛ instead of КОМАНДА, ДОПОЛН or СМЕНА instead of АЛЬТ? ;)

Good improvements on the font all around. Good job! I still see a few inconsistencies/quirks with some of the glyphs, but I'll defer my critique for now and give you time to polish and bring the font closer to its final form.

As i said i am not fond of УПРАВЛ as a short cut. КОМАНДА is a good synonym for it and i am keeping as it is. ДОПОЛН is a no go. СМЕНА sounds better which i might take as alternative to АЛЬТ. Tho СМЕНА could also be used for SHIFT. For SHIFT i am thinking about СДВИГ or some of its synonyms. Keep in mind there is no standard to it and it never existed. So i am kind of free to make my own standards. I want full words if possible. It should also sound nice and of course it should make sense for the particular kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:25:17
As i said i am not fond of УПРАВЛ as a short cut. КОМАНДА is a good synonym for it and i am keeping as it is. ДОПОЛН is a no go. СМЕНА sounds better which i might take as alternative to АЛЬТ. Tho СМЕНА could also be used for SHIFT. For SHIFT i am thinking about СДВИГ or some of its synonyms. Keep in mind there is no standard to it and it never existed. So i am kind of free to make my own standards. I want full words if possible. It should also sound nice and of course it should make sense for the particular kit.

Cool, sounds good. My advice is to prefer words of Russian origin wherever possible. СДВИГ would work for Shift, yeah. СМЕНА/ЗАМЕНА fits Alt better, imo.

Btw, I forgot to say that I love the Ё as the Esc key! (even though it only makes sense on <75% layouts)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:31:08
DCS Alps back on the table is simply amazing.  Ill personally buy at least 3 sets to make it happen.  Just need to triple check all of the details since there still hasnt been a modern alps set without issues of some sort.  Yes, well still have to deal with cherry stabilizers on alps builds, but there are a lot of new boards around with alps support as well as options for custom plates. 
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:35:02
Wew. Very cool...

Thank you for the hard work mr. Tom... :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: Rumblehotep on Wed, 17 July 2019, 12:44:34
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit

- Added DCS ALPS kit.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)

I apologize for the back and forth with the DCS ALPS kit. First SP said us they don't do ABS ALPS anymore because of issues with the stem. Then Melissa from SP made some test samples and then SP changed their mind. I've seen the pricing list already but i can not disclosure such information because of NDA. Tho for 50 sets the pricing is GMKish. The only info on pricing which i do miss is - does this pricing includes all the new legends or not? I guess not and it's not an issue because right now i got enough stuff to do with the new font for the double legends. And making another font for DCS ALPS would be an overkill (workload) for me at this point (Tho its doable). One thing i might include int DCS ALPS kit is an enter key with ALPS logo, so the alps users can show their flag :)
I am so in for this
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:32:21
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit

- Added DCS ALPS kit.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fTcGG9g.png)


How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock? Also, what's the R3 Code for?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: 8six753o9 on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:49:52

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)


Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends.  So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed.  I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito.  I didn't join the drop because of it.  Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:51:38
How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock?
Why not? I am open to it.

Also, what's the R3 Code for?
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 13:54:54

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)


Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends.  So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed.  I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito.  I didn't join the drop because of it.  Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.

I would do the same as MiTO. This is a GB and that means its an GROUP effort to make something happen. People are buying keys they don't need for their layout, because its a custom keyset and not a XY knockoff ready available for shipping on Amazon.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:42:55
How about Scroll instead of Scroll Lock?
Why not? I am open to it.

Yeah, I think it'll look cleaner with all one-line legends.

Also, what's the R3 Code for?
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
Show Image
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)


And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (the other two popular choices being PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn, which are already covered by the set).
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:47:23
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
Show Image
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)


And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).

No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: KorbenDallas on Wed, 17 July 2019, 14:49:34
Saw DCS Alps back on the title, had to sanity check. Glad to see Alps back on the possibility train!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:26:54

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/IDiyGO7.png)


Alphas don't enjoy significant price drops like other kits do, though I'm not quite sure if this pricing was even 100% correct from SP since Kobe and Gaijin had all new custom legends yet still cost the exact same as regular alphas. Rather odd. For Yuri I would probably suggest that the alternate alphas be MOQ 100 which would put them around 60$ to start with.
I asked Mito about the alpha pricing during the early stages of SA Laser gb and he said they priced the regular alphas had the same pricing as Kobe and Gaijin to help spread the cost of the new legends.  So basically anyone that wanted the regular alphas got screwed.  I'm not sure if that was Drop's decision or Mito.  I didn't join the drop because of it.  Hopefully for SA Yuri, the cost will be different.

I would do the same as MiTO. This is a GB and that means its an GROUP effort to make something happen. People are buying keys they don't need for their layout, because its a custom keyset and not a XY knockoff ready available for shipping on Amazon.

For greater good.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 July 2019, 15:51:54
So i got confirmed that the pricing for DCS ALPS was meant for the standard font which is used for DCS. Well that is OKish - i still would like to do all custom legends but its better than nothing at this moment... I will try to find a matching font for the standard DCS font and update the mockups.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Zambumon on Wed, 17 July 2019, 17:53:23
So i got confirmed that the pricing for DCS ALPS was meant for the standard font which is used for DCS. Well that is OKish - i still would like to do all custom legends but its better than nothing at this moment... I will try to find a matching font for the standard DCS font and update the mockups.

There's no need to make a new font, it was already made by the DCS Cherry replica project.

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170101/eb6870914cadb3e547b62d5fb1285e4f.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/nOfBWwk.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/QPUMxma.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gtdvMbS.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:05:12
In alps keyset, why is there a R1 PgDn? Who want pgdn on top of a pgup key? Also, no ESC key in blue? Only orange?

I was wondering, these are going to be compatible with cherry stabs or original alps stabs?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:13:35
So glad to see Alps is back!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:31:54
In alps keyset, why is there a R1 PgDn? Who want pgdn on top of a pgup key? Also, no ESC key in blue? Only orange?


R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe. 


I was wondering, these are going to be compatible with cherry stabs or original alps stabs?

SP only has molds for Cherry Stabilizer inserts
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 17 July 2019, 18:54:18
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
Show Image
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)


And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).

No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.

GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.  In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy.  They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Wed, 17 July 2019, 22:20:53
To the right of Enter (the plus key). How unfortunate don't you think? For the Info: this is GMK Carbon R1 mods with Beezarre alphas. I am using it for win/super key in WKL layouts and for any key elsewhere. Thus its Code. Every of my Projects has an R3 Code keys. This is no exception.
Show Image
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7849/33603794308_b9bcb4ada5_k.jpg)


And how about R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn? They're pretty popular for covering those bottom two keys on 65%/75% boards (along with PgDn/End and PgDn/Fn).

No more keys this is minimalist as it gets. Recent GMK keysets do not include those either. Keep in mind i need some room for novelties.

GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.  In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy.  They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).

This is my current setup. Open to other configurations, though.

(https://i.imgur.com/CahlEpm.jpg)

Edit: fixed link
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 17 July 2019, 22:36:01
IDK man, your setup is strange to me and doesn't seem to make the most of what could be there.

If you use:
R1 Delete
R2 PgUp
R3 PgDn
R4 Function

it also gives you easy access to:

Fn+Delete for Insert
Fn+PgUp for Home
Fn+PgDn for End
Doubletap function to toggle on and off a layer

Seems like a more intuitive and efficient use of the last column to me.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:00:27
In alps keyset, why is there a R1 PgDn? Who want pgdn on top of a pgup key? Also, no ESC key in blue? Only orange?


R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe. 

Good catch i forgot about these completely. I will then replace these with R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN keys.

Doubletap

Not every PCB supports QMK or doubletap functionality. Also this is your way to use and its your layout.

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:05:19
well, he said he was open to other configurations  :cool:

My way still gets you the entire home block on the last column  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:31:49
I also prefer Delete - End - Pg Up - Pg Dn

I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 00:53:08
I also prefer Delete - End - Pg Up - Pg Dn

I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.

How do you go home? :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: King4477 on Thu, 18 July 2019, 02:49:31
I also prefer Delete - End - Pg Up - Pg Dn

I don't want to use layers where I don't have to, this way everything does exactly what it says it does. no muss, no fuss.

How do you go home? :)

Fn + end

I spend all day reading and writing prose, this configuration is very efficient for me.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 18 July 2019, 02:56:56
Home End PgUp PgDown is my setup on 75% - with the SP SA Honeywell set.
Home PgUp PgDown End is also ok (i believe it's most GMK sets ?)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Thu, 18 July 2019, 07:41:44
I like Del PgUp PgDn Fn. I don't use the pg keys but I use Del a lot and Fn its good for a combination keys like media or so
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:07:43
GMK Oblivion V2 and GMK Mizu are both recent GMK sets that included R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.  In upcoming GMK sets, those two keys are included in the current base kits for GMK Nord, GMK Phosphorus, GMK Night Runner, GMK Dracula (planned but not shown in the latest kit render), and GMK Rudy.  They're probably more common than R2 PgUp/R3 PgDn in 65% boards at this point (Massdrop sold a lot of Alts).

Yeah, I wanted to say this as well. Peaches n Cream is another set that's currently running and has R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn support.

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: harlekein on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:10:54
I'd be 100% in for Cosmos Cyrillic monolegends.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 11:11:40
I like Del PgUp PgDn Fn. I don't use the pg keys but I use Del a lot and Fn its good for a combination keys like media or so

This and similar right columns (starting with Del) that others mentioned don't work that well with split backspace layouts. PrtScDelPgUpPgDn (WhiteFox layout) is the most common right column setup on 65% boards with split backspace.


R1 Page Down is for 1800 layout support, i believe. 

Good catch i forgot about these completely. I will then replace these with R3 PGUP and R4 PGDN keys.

Hurray
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 July 2019, 12:26:43
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.
(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 18 July 2019, 12:29:54
The Альпс novelty looks absolutely amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Capsy on Thu, 18 July 2019, 13:01:48
Looks really good. Thanks tombery. Excited for the ALPS set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Thu, 18 July 2019, 13:05:13
The poor, innocent  R1 delete key in the Alps set.  I mourn his death.  RIP
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Fri, 19 July 2019, 07:53:09
I like Del PgUp PgDn Fn. I don't use the pg keys but I use Del a lot and Fn its good for a combination keys like media or so

This and similar right columns (starting with Del) that others mentioned don't work that well with split backspace layouts. PrtScDelPgUpPgDn (WhiteFox layout) is the most common right column setup on 65% boards with split backspace.

Why don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 19 July 2019, 08:04:50
Why don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either

Because Del makes more sense placed next to Backspace. If you're like me, you use split BS on every single board you can, even TKL, CP and larger. Not everyone is like that, but a lot of people do use split BS on 60%/65%/66-key/75%, which is what the set is primarily meant for. Some modern Alps PCBs do support split BS.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Vireca on Fri, 19 July 2019, 16:39:32
Why don't work? But anyways i dont think much people use split backspace, in alps either

Because Del makes more sense placed next to Backspace. If you're like me, you use split BS on every single board you can, even TKL, CP and larger. Not everyone is like that, but a lot of people do use split BS on 60%/65%/66-key/75%, which is what the set is primarily meant for. Some modern Alps PCBs do support split BS.
Dunno, I never used it. I feel more confortable with a standard backspace. Im sure i will missclick with 1u backspace
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 19 July 2019, 16:50:12
Dunno, I never used it. I feel more confortable with a standard backspace. Im sure i will missclick with 1u backspace

It's 1.5u. And you're less prone to mispressing it than standard Backspace. Try it, you'll see :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 19 July 2019, 17:02:47
R1 Del key will come back because we don't have a 1u backspace (Del fulfills this purpose).
Once i got enough stuff for the update i will publish the current kits.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Applet on Sat, 20 July 2019, 11:45:13
Yay! Happy for the Alps set! :D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: AuDiTH on Sat, 20 July 2019, 12:43:28
HYPED for the alps set  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: Poohammer on Wed, 24 July 2019, 04:49:23
The Cosmos version.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C1ukbVo.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/BRPtRNA.png)


LOVE the look of this set and the dual legends.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: EMC Labs on Wed, 24 July 2019, 04:54:51
Hyped for the Alps return.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Wed, 24 July 2019, 21:26:36
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)


wait no glorious kit?

 :D

I'm with you comrade!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: d.caminero on Thu, 25 July 2019, 01:49:06
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)


Is there any way that you add keys to support split spacebar? Even if they are just extra shifts in the accent color? or just blanks?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 July 2019, 12:26:24
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri kit
- Removed 1800er nav cluster keys since there is no numpad available.
- Added R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys.
- Added Yuri Novelties and АЛЬПС (ALPS phonetic in Russian) enters.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/PpkVRwF.png)


Is there any way that you add keys to support split spacebar? Even if they are just extra shifts in the accent color? or just blanks?

Unfortunately not this time. Current alps kit is just an experiment and i want to offer it with the lowest MOQ and because of that it will have quite high price tag. With higher sold numbers it will of course drop but i have no idea how many people are interested in it. Nobody can tell it at this moment. Also i think if this experiment goes well then i am sure some designers will also try to offer alps kits in the future. So probably and hopefully it will fruit in more individual alps sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 25 July 2019, 17:39:17
Any fresh progress on the русские легенды and Gorton Modified Cyrillic? :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 25 July 2019, 17:45:34
Any fresh progress on the русские легенды and Gorton Modified Cyrillic? :)

I am doing mod kits overhaul. Dual mods are already done but i would not make an update without every kit covered.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 July 2019, 15:11:25
Update

- Modifiers extension kit has been removed.
- Modifiers kit has been reworked and new modifiers kits were added

Modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/FiwQCB3.png)
Cyrillic modifiers kit
ps. Ignore that blank key in row1 i just oversaw it. It will be removed in the next update.
(https://i.imgur.com/lxNDjW2.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/j4dH0Kr.png)
DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added R1 1u Delete key.
(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)

In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color. The numpad kit will get both alpha colors.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 26 July 2019, 16:57:28
ne R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn avail?

Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?

Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?

Did you give up on СМЕНА for Alt? ВАРИАНТ is kinda... bleh. Plus, it's too wide compared to ALT, whereas the other mod legends (e.g. КОМАНДА) match their English counterparts in width pretty well.

This feels like a lot of criticism, but in reality the kits are looking much better now imo! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: digid3ar on Fri, 26 July 2019, 17:51:52
one Cyrillic modifiers kit pls, i need it now
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:23:24
one Cyrillic modifiers kit pls, i need it now

he just added it?

Edit: lul I can read
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:25:14
does you adding the dual font mods mean that a dual alphas kit is coming? preferably in cosmos  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:27:57
does you adding the dual font mods mean that a dual alphas kit is coming? preferably in cosmos  ;D

Quote
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color. The numpad kit will get both alpha colors.

So many good options!  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Katsurio on Fri, 26 July 2019, 18:33:13
I'm in for everything SA Yuri!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 26 July 2019, 19:38:04
I see ScrLk in the Alps set is still using "Scroll Lock" for the legend. Is this deliberate? There's still time, do the right thing and change it to "Scroll" :D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 July 2019, 03:32:04
ne R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn avail?
Yeah will add in the next update.

Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?
I think ЭКРАН does match pretty well. Thing is the scroll lock does change the arrow key behavior. ScrLk toggles into "screen mode/browse mode" (in case your current application supports this mode at all).
КУРСОР is the default mode. Say if its not toggled on.

The direct Russian translation of scroll does not match the real purpose. In that mode you don't scroll (прокручиваешь) but you are browsing by using arrow keys. Anyway most of those words are too long.

Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?
Well ПРИНТ is a direct translation and there is actually no direct synonyms for it. I know what you mean with ПЕЧАТЬ but it does not really match the translation. Printer is called принтер in Russian and not печатныи станок/агрегат/диваис итд.итп.
So for an alternative we need too look that this key actually does nowadays. And actually this key has nothing to do more with print. It does make screen shot and copies it into clipboard. So as you suggested ЭКРАН does match it pretty well but it is already on the ScrLk key and as long as i don't have proper alternative it shall stay there. So another word which might match the purpose is the БУФЕР for clipboard.

Did you give up on СМЕНА for Alt? ВАРИАНТ is kinda... bleh. Plus, it's too wide compared to ALT, whereas the other mod legends (e.g. КОМАНДА) match their English counterparts in width pretty well.
I don't think СМЕНА match it very well. СМЕНА does match more Shift. ВАРИАНТ is an indirect synonym for АЛЬТЕРНАТИВА and it does match the real purpose of the key. I am open for another indirect synonym but it should match the real purpose of the key.

Btw. ALT is a shortcut of ALTERNATIVE or ALTERNATE and i can try to full word it. I think ALTERNATE might match at least on a 1.25u key.

This feels like a lot of criticism, but in reality the kits are looking much better now imo! Keep up the good work.

Nah everything is alright. Keep on going, it helps me to find alternatives.

I see ScrLk in the Alps set is still using "Scroll Lock" for the legend. Is this deliberate? There's still time, do the right thing and change it to "Scroll" :D
Yeah i change it to "Scroll" ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: norb on Sat, 27 July 2019, 04:13:16
cyrillic-only mods <3 now i won't have any reason to sell my GMK Yuri bc it will have a different look while still remaining the same :thumb:

Nice.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 27 July 2019, 04:24:12
Anything better than ЭКРАН for ScrLk? I get what you were going for, but honestly it reminds me of PrtSc much more than ScrLk. КУРСОР, at least?
I think ЭКРАН does match pretty well. Thing is the scroll lock does change the arrow key behavior. ScrLk toggles into "screen mode/browse mode" (in case your current application supports this mode at all).
КУРСОР is the default mode. Say if its not toggled on.

The direct Russian translation of scroll does not match the real purpose. In that mode you don't scroll (прокручиваешь) but you are browsing by using arrow keys. Anyway most of those words are too long.

Speaking of PrtSc, what do you think about ПЕЧАТЬ instead of ПРИНТ? Or ЭКРАН, even?
Well ПРИНТ is a direct translation and there is actually no direct synonyms for it. I know what you mean with ПЕЧАТЬ but it does not really match the translation. Printer is called принтер in Russian and not печатныи станок/агрегат/диваис итд.итп.
So for an alternative we need too look that this key actually does nowadays. And actually this key has nothing to do more with print. It does make screen shot and copies it into clipboard. So as you suggested ЭКРАН does match it pretty well but it is already on the ScrLk key and as long as i don't have proper alternative it shall stay there. So another word which might match the purpose is the БУФЕР for clipboard.
How about using ФИКС for ScrLk to match the English LOCK legend, and then using ЭКРАН for PrtSc?

Btw. ALT is a shortcut of ALTERNATIVE or ALTERNATE and i can try to full word it. I think ALTERNATE might match at least on a 1.25u key.
I like this idea,
В А Р И А Н Т
ALTERNATE
could work. And I like that the set is going with longer legends in general, so it would match well. But I'll try to come up with another alternative for the Alt legend in any case.

ne R3 PgUp, R4 PgDn avail?
Yeah will add in the next update.

I see ScrLk in the Alps set is still using "Scroll Lock" for the legend. Is this deliberate? There's still time, do the right thing and change it to "Scroll" :D
Yeah i change it to "Scroll" ;)
:thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Sat, 27 July 2019, 20:24:25
Plz plz plz dual alphas in regular colours as well, not cosmos only.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: mimalik on Sat, 27 July 2019, 20:26:00
After SA Laser, this ll be my most expensive caps purchase, can easily see the bill going well over $600.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 28 July 2019, 10:47:42
After SA Laser, this ll be my most expensive caps purchase, can easily see the bill going well over $600.

same so many kits i want. really just too many keysets i want rn; serika, dracula, sanctuary, and kaiju. plus i already got oblivion and olive. rip wallet
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 29 July 2019, 05:29:05
will there be a Cyrillic numpad and 1.25 ISO shift?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 July 2019, 12:17:22
will there be a Cyrillic numpad and 1.25 ISO shift?

There will be no Cyrillic numpad unfortunately. It is already a dilemma with all the alphas and modifiers varieties. ISO shift is available in UK ISO but only in latin.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 30 July 2019, 02:50:47
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color.

I'm begging you, cyrillic mono alphas in cosmos color would be amazing.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Anakey on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:07:01
are there supposed to be 2x 2.25 shift keys?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:27:56
are there supposed to be 2x 2.25 shift keys?

Yes for the leopold 660 like layout.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Anakey on Tue, 30 July 2019, 06:51:46
i see, didn't realise such a layout existed
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: d.caminero on Tue, 30 July 2019, 07:16:45
In the next update
I will rework all alphas and the numpad kit. There will be latin and cyrillic alphas in regular color and there will be latin and dual alphas in cosmos color.

I'm begging you, cyrillic mono alphas in cosmos color would be amazing.

+1 to that. Cyrillic mono alphas look far better than dual IMO, specially in Cosmos color.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Wed, 31 July 2019, 20:01:38
Now this is the set I need, finally an alps set that steps outside the box. Count me in!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tuppaware on Thu, 01 August 2019, 21:48:48
Just waiting for this one nowwww .. Plus all the other kits over Aug/Sept I want to buy
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sat, 03 August 2019, 10:57:53
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)


wait no glorious kit?

 :D

not super important but are you willing to add the OG glorious key too??
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 03 August 2019, 11:47:01
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)


wait no glorious kit?

 :D

not super important but are you willing to add the OG glorious key too??
If I remember right, it was yellow on red. Well that's quite possible. I'll look into it.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: iammeuru on Sat, 03 August 2019, 12:34:19
I know you can't satisfy everyone, but it kinda sucks that the alps set had 1800 and full size support removed. I mostly want it to be able to cover 1800s (so few alps sets can do that)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Capsy on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:30:22
I know you can't satisfy everyone, but it kinda sucks that the alps set had 1800 and full size support removed. I mostly want it to be able to cover 1800s (so few alps sets can do that)
Seconded. The TKC 1800 R3 is alps compatible but it sucks that I won't be able to put this on it.

I know that 1800 support might make the set expensive but given SP's low MOQs it might be a good idea to look into it.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:33:54
Would you be willing to offer Alps numpad support in a separate kit from the base Alps kit?  Let it hit MOQ or not on its own, and see if the interest is there.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 03 August 2019, 13:59:28
Would you be willing to offer Alps numpad support in a separate kit from the base Alps kit?  Let it hit MOQ or not on its own, and see if the interest is there.

+1 for this idea. If 1800/full-size support is offered, it should be in a separate kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: shensmobile on Sat, 03 August 2019, 19:42:41
For the Ergodox kit, is it possible to swap the R4 Raise and Lower caps for "Enter" and "Fn" caps instead?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: CarlQs on Sat, 03 August 2019, 22:26:33
alps keyset with good compatibility >.> yes yes yes and close enough to gulf racing colors too im so ready for this to be in my life
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: SlamMakanen on Sun, 04 August 2019, 04:12:45
Update

Novelties
- Added Glorious keys in Yuri colors for R1 and R3.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/qpZh1Aj.png)


wait no glorious kit?

 :D

Holy crap! An ISO NOVELTY????


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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tronix_41 on Sun, 04 August 2019, 09:32:20
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: CodeMayhem on Sun, 04 August 2019, 12:02:28
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?

there weren't any in the gmk run so...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 05 August 2019, 03:05:58
plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?

there weren't any in the gmk run so...

What was R4 on GMK is R3 on this, so yes there were. Nvm, I read his question wrong. However GMK Yuri ran when new novelties cost 500 EUR each to make a new legend for, and this being an SA set, it costs 50$ so he could expand those novelties for not much more.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tronix_41 on Mon, 05 August 2019, 03:15:59
woud love to see this, also still hoping for a full international kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:14:08
Salt?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:31:43
potentially DCS ALPS Yuri.

Cosmos
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)


DCS ALPS Yuri
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)


Hope the DCS ALPS Yuri can have drastic design like Cosmos instead.
Plus I wish for a 6u Alps spacebar...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 07 August 2019, 14:48:27
Salt?

Well why not. I will add some salt to novelties in the next possible update.

potentially DCS ALPS Yuri.

Cosmos
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QPsg973.png)


DCS ALPS Yuri
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kkO9QkW.png)


Hope the DCS ALPS Yuri can have drastic design like Cosmos instead.
Plus I wish for a 6u Alps spacebar...

Unfortunately not this time. This is just an experimental kit which should show if its feasible/possible to offer alps kits.

plans for r3 1u novelties like the 1,25u and 1,5u?

The cosmonaut helmet does not fit 1u key. Also i want equal scaling for novelties. So down scaling is a no go.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: tronix_41 on Wed, 07 August 2019, 15:06:37
than maybe the flag logo 2x in modcolour, also for the alps?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Little4Real on Thu, 08 August 2019, 01:40:46
Gonna easily double up on that DCS ALPS Yuri set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: fuzzybaffy on Thu, 08 August 2019, 02:01:46
Whenever I see this thread, I think to myself "SAYURI!!!". =D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: adamcobabe on Thu, 08 August 2019, 05:11:28
What do you all think of the triangles as arrow keys? I personally really dislike them. Would much rather have an actual arrow shape or text.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 August 2019, 14:57:56
Update
- complete alphas overhaul due to the modifiers changes
Alphas
(https://i.imgur.com/GEKMz7a.png)
Cyrillics
- Cyrillics is now using the same Font as in Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/ysBhwg4.png)
Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/NNuNjJI.png)
Dual Cosmos
(https://i.imgur.com/dP93Yls.png)
Numpad kit
(https://i.imgur.com/z8prd3O.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nappis on Sat, 17 August 2019, 15:26:41
Dual cosmos alphas have really grown on me. I think I go cosmos with dual legends on mods and alphas!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: LXVRGS on Sat, 17 August 2019, 15:53:11
Only thing I'd suggest would be maybe have the dual legends offset similar to how SA laser did the gaijin kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dvorcol on Sat, 17 August 2019, 18:13:02
Only thing I'd suggest would be maybe have the dual legends offset similar to how SA laser did the gaijin kit.

+1
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: OracleKev on Sat, 17 August 2019, 22:22:38
Looking really really good.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 18 August 2019, 02:51:56
Only thing I'd suggest would be maybe have the dual legends offset similar to how SA laser did the gaijin kit.

That would make it very busy. I've tried this already with GMK Yuri. Gaijin works because eastern cultures are using completely different letter/symbol style - compared to western cultures.

I've decided to take the space cadet approach and it works quite well.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Anakey on Mon, 19 August 2019, 09:31:57
hmm can't make up my mind, i feel that i want cyrillics with the light blue scheme and iso. The dual cosmos render without the punctuations looked better then the current version had they remained in the renders i would have gotten those but i guess i will see what i feel like when getting to the gb page.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Tyson on Wed, 21 August 2019, 16:53:17
Definitely in for DCS Alps Yuri! I'm planning on cerakoting a Lunar Kel Tech Navy Blue to complement the colors of Yuri!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 21 August 2019, 18:28:41
So heres a quick q for someone that might happen to know.  Are there any boards out there or coming up that will have alps compatibility with cherry PCB stabilizers?  Also, if so, are the plates out there for either alps switch with cherry plate or cherry PCB cutouts?  I think the M0110 has this (although it seems to be quite delayed), but I dont know of any others.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Anakey on Thu, 22 August 2019, 02:07:23
So heres a quick q for someone that might happen to know.  Are there any boards out there or coming up that will have alps compatibility with cherry PCB stabilizers?  Also, if so, are the plates out there for either alps switch with cherry plate or cherry PCB cutouts?  I think the M0110 has this (although it seems to be quite delayed), but I dont know of any others.

Thoughts?

As long as the pcb supports alps and that the gb owner is willing to release plate files then there are a number of people in the community that would be able to replace the cherry holes with alps ones, the main limiting factor would be the pcb itself. Depending on how popular this drop goes and if any other designers also run alps and assuming SP is willing to run them then there may be more pcbs made in the future that include the additional capacity assuming the people wanting alps is greater then those that complain about having a single hole they can't use in the pcb.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: Applet on Thu, 22 August 2019, 04:15:20
So here’s a quick q for someone that might happen to know.  Are there any boards out there or coming up that will have alps compatibility with cherry PCB stabilizers?  Also, if so, are the plates out there for either alps switch with cherry plate or cherry PCB cutouts?  I think the M0110 has this (although it seems to be quite delayed), but I don’t know of any others.

Thoughts?
Yes, there are PCBs that support both cherry and alps switches that has support for cherry mx pcb mount stabilizers. I'm currently designing a alps-pcb because I wanted a PCB designed for alps (not designed for cherry but with alps support) with cherry stabilizer support, can do a GB (if I get some help) if there is interest. You can easily generate plates with cherry pcb mount stabilizers, but with alps switch cutout (or support both alps and cherry)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Sun, 25 August 2019, 19:34:17
For the 40's kit, I would love to see the addition of an R4 Up to support those Ortho users who use a normal arrow layout in the bottom right corner (a very common layout for Ortho users).  If that isn't possible then an acceptable alternative would be the addition of an arrows kit.  Of course I would really like to see 40's support for the Cyrillic legends but I know that multiple versions of things like Ergo and 40's are rarely made so I understand -- that being said, if a few more keys existed in the regular mod kits then they could potentially support at least Ortho 40's.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: PandaSuit on Sun, 25 August 2019, 21:26:43
Would be nice to get a "Поехали!" novelties, the word that Yuri Gagarin said when the rocket was going of the ground. On Enter may be?

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: hyppialonso on Mon, 26 August 2019, 05:23:09
Is it going to be live on drop following MT3 Serika?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 26 August 2019, 08:59:39
Would be nice to get a "Поехали!" novelties, the word that Yuri Gagarin said when the rocket was going of the ground. On Enter may be?

I like this idea.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 26 August 2019, 10:20:29
Would be nice to get a "Поехали!" novelties, the word that Yuri Gagarin said when the rocket was going of the ground. On Enter may be?

That is possible. Tho it will be the new font and thus it will match only cyrillic or dual mods.

For the 40's kit, I would love to see the addition of an R4 Up to support those Ortho users who use a normal arrow layout in the bottom right corner (a very common layout for Ortho users).  If that isn't possible then an acceptable alternative would be the addition of an arrows kit.  Of course I would really like to see 40's support for the Cyrillic legends but I know that multiple versions of things like Ergo and 40's are rarely made so I understand -- that being said, if a few more keys existed in the regular mod kits then they could potentially support at least Ortho 40's.

I'll add r4 up key in the next update to the 40% kit.

Is it going to be live on drop following MT3 Serika?

No. I think next set will be GMK one. Yuri will drop somewhere in Q4 (October, November or December).

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: ABrotherThatIsUndercover on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:45:09
Can't wait for this to drop, need an excuse to use my Orange Alps and this keyset will look great with whatever board I decide to build them with.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 26 August 2019, 16:52:34
For the info

SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri will drop in October.

So basically one month to go ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 07:51:03
Yippi kie ye to my wallet, with SA Royal Navy on the horizon then this, finally some SP-SA love being spread around this year.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 08:22:29
Last ditch plea....any possibility to introduce a new kit of dual cosmos in same colours as base alphas?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:39:26
Last ditch plea....any possibility to introduce a new kit of dual cosmos in same colours as base alphas?

I wish but i got already 4 alphas which is insane :/
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:42:46
Thanks alot for your efforts, I know we can be a bit demanding at times. Looking forward to this drop.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Wed, 28 August 2019, 08:46:08
Are the novelties coming in dcs alps or just sa?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:21:18
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.
- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:27:06
TEXT MODS TEXT MODS TEXT MODS TEXT MODS  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:51:09
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only.  :(
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 05 September 2019, 13:55:51
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only.  :(

I had to double-check the kits to see that was true - that seems a bit too much to exclude 1800/CP support as it's meant to be.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 14:26:38
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only.  :(

This is not an issue. I see that you mean and i will add those keys asap. This is interest check right ? ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 14:39:54
Rip 1800-style support in the SA version. No R1 PageDown at all and the only R1 End key is English text only.  :(

This is not an issue. I see that you mean and i will add those keys asap. This is interest check right ? ;)

You the man my dude, I was almost certain it was a bit too far along at this point for changes. Time to save up and wonder if I need plain dual alphas or dark, or both rip my wallet.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:00:51
For the info

SP SA Yuri and DCS ALPS Yuri will drop in October.

So basically one month to go ;)
Shut up wallet! Great work, can't wait

By the way, any chance you could add Preonic support to the 40% kit? I'm missing a few 1u keys (in order of priority /for me/):
- R2 Delete
- R1 Backspace (could use a novelty instead, but I'd rather put the novelty cap to top left)
- R1 Esc, possibly accented (could use `~ instead and put Esc on R3)

So basically the only key I couldn't substitute well is the 1u R2 Delete (I'd have to use \|).

I know we're in a great minority compared to Planck users, but one can dream, right?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:32:07
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.
- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)


I think text only mods is the right call here. I'm typing this on DCS Toxic which has icon & text mods, & the icons are definitely not as sharp as similar GMK sets. Although they are the same icons as GMK uses on their icon & text mods, not sure what icons SP would would use for icon only modifier set one DCS?

Edit: Oh BTW, before I forget why I even started this response. Any possibility for getting a black R1 1u pipe key? I see you got a black tilde & it would kinda be a shame to not have a black R1 1u pipe key. I usually put the mod colored tilde & 1u pipe keys on my split backspace boards is why I would want to see it added to the set. Not sure how many other's would have interest in it for the same reason though?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 05 September 2019, 15:53:03
Update

Dual Modifiers
- Changed ALT to ALTER in order to make it more wide, which matches ВАРИАНТ better. ALTERNATE is little bit too wide for 1.25u key...
(https://i.imgur.com/mhUrUH1.png)

40% kit
- Added Preonic support (see the R1 keys).
- Added R2 1u DEL key.
(https://i.imgur.com/SBhGKsR.png)

Numpad kit
- Added missing keys for 1800 layout (R1 "DEL", "END" and "PAGE DOWN" keys).
(https://i.imgur.com/6n1nZlj.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: donutcat on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:24:01
Happy to see the proper 1800 support. Was hoping for some dual versions, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. I'm probably stuck with a little bit of inconsistency across the board no matter what with my insistence on using a numpad :P
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:24:12
40% kit
- Added Preonic support (see the R1 keys).
- Added R2 1u DEL key.

Awesome, you're the man! Now I have to get the set, no way around it
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: ZivZulander on Thu, 05 September 2019, 16:47:52
Is it done, Yuri?

 ;D

This set looks fantastic! A nice Oktober surprise for Alps fans.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:09:52
Update

DCS ALPS Yuri
- Added glorious keys
- Changed the Font to the one which matches the end product better.

- Changed the icon mods to text only. Thing is i do not recognize any only icon mods except for Cherry style ones (because they are the best period ....). The standard icons i've seen on DCS profile do not appeal to me. I've seen a DCS set with only words mods and it looks way cleaner. I hope you appreciate this change.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1nd2miA.png)


OMG so happy you added the glorious keys, what would this set be without them?!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: MythicCynic on Thu, 05 September 2019, 17:28:46
The longer I look at it the more I love it, gonna have to set aside some $ for this drop
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Thu, 05 September 2019, 23:21:57
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!

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Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: waldorf120 on Thu, 05 September 2019, 23:52:08
Yeah is Alps beggars cannot be choosers.  Imma drop a cool g on Alps DCS Yuri no matter what though.  So thirsty for them rectangle stems  :p. Hopefully SP has learned their lesson from AW about the cap height.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 00:46:39
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!

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If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Anakey on Fri, 06 September 2019, 08:59:09
There are now two R1 End keys in numpad kit. Maybe have an = key instead?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 10:10:19
There are now two R1 End keys in numpad kit. Maybe have an = key instead?

Lawl.... good catch. Yeah = should it be in the next update.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Fri, 06 September 2019, 11:49:37
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.

Do you have any interest in possibly getting an artisan, cable or deskmat collaboration going? Kinda like what we have seen with carbon and other popular keysets.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 11:53:37
Big sad about no numpad for Alps. I know I'm a minority though. Glad to see any support at all!

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
If DCS ALPS Yuri sells well, then I'll look into including an appropriate numpad kit during the drop. But it has to snowball first. Otherwise let's see how it goes, because that base set will cost approximately between 140 and 150 $ on lowest moq.

Do you have any interest in possibly getting an artisan, cable or deskmat collaboration going? Kinda like what we have seen with carbon and other popular keysets.

There will be definitely artisans in Yuri colors ;)
Deskmat was already available for the purchase during Space Cadet sale.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4884/45071049554_532132370a_k.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:28:36
Some renders for dual legends set plz, n more renders for other kits as well. Warming up my wallet for this.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:33:19
Some renders for dual legends set plz, n more renders for other kits as well. Warming up my wallet for this.

Well Oblotzky is right now in vocation until level 60....  :))
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Vox_Reticuli on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:53:08
I know beggars can't be choosers buuuuuuuuut is there any chance of raise/lower keys for the dcs alps?

Also, thank you for making this possible in the first place.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Chrislol on Sun, 08 September 2019, 00:26:41
alps upupupupup
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 11 September 2019, 15:00:15
Update

Die Kirsche
- Merged with Novelties

Novelties
- Added 'Die Kirsche' keys
(https://i.imgur.com/kqzKJ9K.png)

Numpad
- Replaced one of the Del keys with = key.
(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)

Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: dvorcol on Wed, 11 September 2019, 19:42:11
More
Update

Die Kirsche
- Merged with Novelties

Novelties
- Added 'Die Kirsche' keys
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kqzKJ9K.png)


Numpad
- Replaced one of the Del keys with = key.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kMzRYtA.png)
    Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)


Sorry but i am not supporting colevrak and international kits anymore, due to the chronical unfulfillment of the MOQ for those kits. If there is not enough interest/demand in those kits then i am not going to offer those. Yuri is also not that popular as Laser or Oblivion and in those drops colevrak and international kits did it tightly.


Since SP could have low MOQ, I think that Yuri is popular enough to sell at least 25 or more units at a higher(but still reasonable) price or so, even if it does not reach more than 50. But it's your design and up to you to make the decision. Thanks.

Thats the dilemma here, with lower moq the pricing will go up and i am not sure if people who are really interested in getting Yuri with colevrak will still be ready to get it. And MOQ of 50 is too high. Realistically it would be MOQ of 25. There are also Cyrillic alphas which do rival (because its an alternative) the colevrak and international kit. Cyrillic (if you don't really use it for Russian layout) can be used like blanks and do fit that way any layout.

More
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Xe2Fwgy.png)


No no-accent R3 Esc?

I kind of disagree with including only mod colored spacebars here instead of the accent kit, that would be like including a mod colored 6.25U space bar with the modifier kit.

Non-accent R3 Esc will be added in the next update.

regarding the mod colored spacebars i need to rework the spacebar distribution across the kits.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/TLCbHt2.jpg)


Thanks Tuxedo Mask!
P.S. no i am not watching Sailor Moon but i know it from my youth  ;)


DCS ALPS Yuri
As i said DCS ALPS Yuri is experimental set and i am offering only one base kit. I am not planning to add more kits for DCS ALPS!
I am also not sure about the font. As you can see i made it cherry like and making all the new legends might make this kit very expensive. So there are things to think about... It is quite possible that i will discard whole DCS ALPS idea if the pricing goes too high.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/wYeIQD3.png)


I am in for Alps DCS!  Can I just give you my money now instead of waiting until autumn?

Does the Alps set need to have the Cherry font?  I would be fine with whatever font SP has.  I'm assuming it would look something like Midnight DCS set.

I think it does not need the font tho i really prefer the font. The thing is, i have to see that SP got and i will decide later. Otherwise the cherry font would make it all more expensive because every key will be a custom legend.


Not complaining, just an idea: take this opportunity to run an experiment.  Offer a Colevrak+ and International kits with 25 MOQ and the associated higher prices.  Strictly enforce these MOQs; cancel a kit even if 24 are ordered.  Worst case, Drop will end up canceling 48 people's full orders.  But perhaps there are enough SA Yuri fans willing to pay the higher price for their alternate layout.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Thu, 12 September 2019, 11:03:40
Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)

Please don't forget an R4 "UP" key for the 40's kit for those of us who prefer a traditionally oriented directional cluster.  I know you already said you would add it so I'm just hoping it isn't forgotten.

An R3 2u horizontal novelty would be fun!  But the only set I've ever gotten a 2u novelty with is GMK Metaverse so I'm not counting on it.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 13:55:55
Update

40%
- Added 1u R4 UP key.
(https://i.imgur.com/JDvIDbd.png)

Since the drop starts next month i will finalize the kits by the end of this week. So if you got a suggestion or you see any issue then reply/suggest/complain now ;)

Please don't forget an R4 "UP" key for the 40's kit for those of us who prefer a traditionally oriented directional cluster.  I know you already said you would add it so I'm just hoping it isn't forgotten.

An R3 2u horizontal novelty would be fun!  But the only set I've ever gotten a 2u novelty with is GMK Metaverse so I'm not counting on it.  :)

Thanks for reminding me ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 12 September 2019, 14:22:31
Chiming in about the ALPS DCS set again. Any possibility for getting a black R1 1u pipe key? I see you got a black R1 1u tilde & it would kinda be a shame to not have a black R1 1u pipe key. I usually put the mod colored tilde & 1u pipe keys on my split backspace boards is why I would want to see it added to the set. Not sure how many other's would have interest in it for the same reason though?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 15:32:38
I'm surprised I'm the only one not happy with how the ALPS set has changed.

Would this be the very first DCS ALPS set with the Wyse legends? Cherry font has been the standard for the few DCS ALPS sets that have been created and for good reason - apart from being the clear favorite of the community at large - the limited DCS ALPS GB sets and the very rare FAME boards are the only sources for Cherry font on ALPS stems. I thought the major reason the ALPS kit was so barebones- no Cyrillics or numpad - was to ensure it hits MOQ? I'd have thought that the Cherry legends were important to that. Maybe I am wrong and there is enough love just based on the option/cw.

Now that I think about it, is there even a precedent for the Cherry icon mods on DCS? The current legends seem to me like the worst of 5 legend-consistent options assuming Cherry icons do not exist:

1. Cherry font & icon+text mods
2. Wyse font & icon only mods
3. Wyse font & icon + text
3. Cherry font & text only mods
4. Wyse font & text only mods

It seems common knowledge to me that Wyse font is less preferable than Cherry and that the same could be said for text only mods vs icon only or icon + text, even in the Wyse font. Removing the generally preferred options makes me less interested.

P.S. are there supposed to be 3 "End" keys in the ALPS mockup? (that was the old mockup, I think, nevermind)

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 16:01:46
I'm surprised I'm the only one not happy with how the ALPS set has changed.

Would this be the very first DCS ALPS set with the Wyse legends? Cherry font has been the standard for the few DCS ALPS sets that have been created and for good reason - apart from being the clear favorite of the community at large - the limited DCS ALPS GB sets and the very rare FAME boards are the only sources for Cherry font on ALPS stems. I thought the major reason the ALPS kit was so barebones- no Cyrillics or numpad - was to ensure it hits MOQ? I'd have thought that the Cherry legends were important to that. Maybe I am wrong and there is enough love just based on the option/cw.

Now that I think about it, is there even a precedent for the Cherry icon mods on DCS? The current legends seem to me like the worst of 5 legend-consistent options assuming Cherry icons do not exist:

1. Cherry font & icon+text mods
2. Wyse font & icon only mods
3. Wyse font & icon + text
3. Cherry font & text only mods
4. Wyse font & text only mods

It seems common knowledge to me that Wyse font is less preferable than Cherry and that the same could be said for text only mods vs icon only or icon + text, even in the Wyse font. Removing the generally preferred options makes me less interested.

P.S. are there supposed to be 3 "End" keys in the ALPS mockup? (that was the old mockup, I think, nevermind)

Honestly i would love to make Cherry legends instead of WYSE. However the cherry you do know for DCS Profile are not free to use and i will not be able to use it. I said it already in previous posts. So the only option right now is the WYSE. And from all the pictures i've seen only word mods is the cleanest. If i would choose icons then only Cherry but this is not the case here.

So its going to be WYSE with only word mods...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 16:14:17
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.

(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)  (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)

Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.

I love the color but this honestly a much different set now
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Thu, 12 September 2019, 18:00:51
This set has me looking at Vostok 1 models and Nixie clocks. Im so stoked for October!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: dallman5 on Thu, 12 September 2019, 23:12:50
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.

Show Image
(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)
 
Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)


Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.

I love the color but this honestly a much different set now

Id just like to say that I agree with you, text-only mods are my least favorite on cylindrical caps by a fair margin. It would be really cool if we could get some icon mods a la DCS Red Alert though!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 September 2019, 23:53:01
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.

Show Image
(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)
 
Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)


Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.

I love the color but this honestly a much different set now

If i look at the icon mods and how inconsistent they are i definitely don't want it. Shift icon are different size. Enter arrow has different size compared to arrows. Again: the only icon mods i do accept are the OG Cherry. Unfortunately those are not available for DCS.s

Here is the example of text only mods how its going to look. The WYSE board you posted has different alignment.
(https://i.imgur.com/jwsK6Gt.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 09:46:16
Fair enough, I didn't know it would be more expensive to use the Cherry legends. Maybe it is a subjective thing but one quick look at the difference between Icon only and Text only makes it an easy decision for me.

Show Image
(https://preview.redd.it/tcez8u0hu6y01.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=c640ac69615611f2b8dc42f6076d5d32f96d6c24)
 
Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=71324.0;attach=98455;image)


Then, I think that would also make this the first set with WYSE text only mods. Of course, WYSE had a few examples of their own but, like above, they were top adjusted? The center adjusted legends also used icons as far as I'm aware.

I love the color but this honestly a much different set now

If i look at the icon mods and how inconsistent they are i definitely don't want it. Shift icon are different size. Enter arrow has different size compared to arrows. Again: the only icon mods i do accept are the OG Cherry. Unfortunately those are not available for DCS.s

Here is the example of text only mods how its going to look. The WYSE board you posted has different alignment.
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/jwsK6Gt.jpg)


As much as the icons are not ideal, neither is the font. buttt I think its growing on me, especially as I look at WKL pictures of DCS percent. Your colorway and novelties are better too. Just please dont make the arrows up down left and right :))
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dizz_cz on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:27:04
Hello, I'm very interested in this keycap, so looking forvard to october. All glory for creator!

But I have some "problems" with Super/Meta key. I think the latin Meta surrounded Cyrillic texts looks terrible and Super/Meta on dual version is complete wrong, these keys have another purposes.  As Emacs user I want meta key (as replacement for left Alt) but not if this key triggers my OCD. Why you chose Meta instead супер (that mean super in russian) on Cyrillic mods?

I'm sorry, but this irritating me.  :-/
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:39:30
Interesting that Cherry replica font costs more.  Are the molds that created Alpine Winter gone or unusable?  It used cherry legends, right?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: TheAutoManCan on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:42:01
As much as I would love to support a new Alps keycap set, text-only mods make it hard for me to jump in. But, I can understand why you are doing it.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 13 September 2019, 10:56:45
Hello, I'm very interested in this keycap, so looking forvard to october. All glory for creator!

But I have some "problems" with Super/Meta key. I think the latin Meta surrounded Cyrillic texts looks terrible and Super/Meta on dual version is complete wrong, these keys have another purposes.  As Emacs user I want meta key (as replacement for left Alt) but not if this key triggers my OCD. Why you chose Meta instead супер (that mean super in russian) on Cyrillic mods?

I'm sorry, but this irritating me.  :-/

By any means i want to replicate the META of EMACS.

The idea was to have META key once you switch to the Cyrillics layer with CYRILLIC key. And its written the same way as in Latin. An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.

Keep in mind i don't want to replicate anything because this was never done before. This is something new.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: waldorf120 on Fri, 13 September 2019, 17:49:08
An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.

I'm no russian expert but I believe ГИПЕР is pronounced "geeper".  Perhaps you meant XИПЕР which I'm guessing starts with the H sounds like it does in хорошо́ (horoshow aka 'good').

EDIT: Google translate says it's гипер so that's probably what it is  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 14 September 2019, 01:08:37
An alternative could be ГИПЕР (HYPER). I don't really want just to repeat SUPER.

I'm no russian expert but I believe ГИПЕР is pronounced "geeper".  Perhaps you meant XИПЕР which I'm guessing starts with the H sounds like it does in хорошо́ (horoshow aka 'good').

EDIT: Google translate says it's гипер so that's probably what it is  :-[

I am native Russian speaker. All the translations are meaningful (even the synonyms) and they do reflect the exact purpose for each key in Russian language. :D

Keep in mind i do not use the outdated Russian typewriter terms. Keyboard is different than a typewriter and some terms actually needs to be updated (For example Caps Lock should be called Shift Lock because it is not limited to capital letters. Shift as such does shift whole layer basically.)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 14 September 2019, 15:31:41
I've been thinking about DCS ALPS Yuri ever since this IC was posted.

I have no ALPS keyboards or switches whatsoever . . . and yet, this would be perfect for my introduction to ALPS.

I love Orange ALPS for its tactility and its relative availability. I have been thinking of picking some up for the longest time, and I might as well, as they will only get scarcer.

The Yuri keyset would be perfect for Orange ALPS, and DCS is my favourite profile. It's a no-brainer.

What would you do in my shoes? I think the first step is to get on the GB. And then secure some Orange ALPS. Then, I can look into a 65-75% board to use them in.

Is it possible to get the cool star ENTER key with the DCS set?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Sat, 14 September 2019, 21:12:30
Might have missed seeing it somewhere, but..
Would really want to see a render for Cosmos Alphas along with the matching Modifiers (preferring Cyrillic) on a grey 1800 board!

Otherwise, great set!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Sun, 15 September 2019, 04:50:24
Hi, T0mb3ry. Would you consider changing F1, F2 etc in Cyrillic set to Ф1, Ф2 and so on, to keep it all Cyrillic?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:04:13
I've been thinking about DCS ALPS Yuri ever since this IC was posted.

I have no ALPS keyboards or switches whatsoever . . . and yet, this would be perfect for my introduction to ALPS.

I love Orange ALPS for its tactility and its relative availability. I have been thinking of picking some up for the longest time, and I might as well, as they will only get scarcer.

The Yuri keyset would be perfect for Orange ALPS, and DCS is my favourite profile. It's a no-brainer.

What would you do in my shoes? I think the first step is to get on the GB. And then secure some Orange ALPS. Then, I can look into a 65-75% board to use them in.

Is it possible to get the cool star ENTER key with the DCS set?

I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.

SKCM orange is a fantastic choice btw, I have been thinking of using them in my Yuri build also.

When it comes to getting a board to put this on it can get tricky. Finding a pcb with alps support is not hard, the hard part is getting a plate that supports both alps switches and cherry stabs. Be prepared to get a custom plate cut, that's what I needed to do for my alps FC660.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:20:13
Hi, T0mb3ry. Would you consider changing F1, F2 etc in Cyrillic set to Ф1, Ф2 and so on, to keep it all Cyrillic?

Actually they should be Cyrillic but that will be 20 additional custom keys... I thought about this but in order to reduce price i decided against it...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 15 September 2019, 07:58:58
I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.
Dont. If people all follow your advice, that's how the GB miss the MOQ actually..
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Dumble_Hub on Sun, 15 September 2019, 08:13:06
I would definitely recommend you wait until the GB hits MOQ before buying parts for a board.
Dont. If people all follow your advice, that's how the GB miss the MOQ actually..

What I mean is join the GB before MOQ and when MOQ is hit begin to part together the rest of the build, I could have worded that better.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Willhurt2008 on Sun, 15 September 2019, 10:02:02
Hi, T0mb3ry. Would you consider changing F1, F2 etc in Cyrillic set to Ф1, Ф2 and so on, to keep it all Cyrillic?

Actually they should be Cyrillic but that will be 20 additional custom keys... I thought about this but in order to reduce price i decided against it...

Thats a shame, would look much more complete this way... But maybe people who want Cyrillic kit would be fine with cost increase to get more rounded set. I for sure would be. Anyways, your call.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: jacobavenkraft on Wed, 18 September 2019, 08:54:45
Salt key in the Novelties kit would be a fun addition.  You said you might consider it earlier in this IC, but I understand if you already have too many novelties.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 18 September 2019, 09:43:14

This is my current setup. Open to other configurations, though.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CahlEpm.jpg)


Edit: fixed link

That is an incredible setup. Can you post pics and identify the build?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 18 September 2019, 12:47:12
Update

Novelties
- Added salty keys.
(https://i.imgur.com/0VVKu1k.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: piit79 on Wed, 18 September 2019, 12:52:23
OT: What's the deal with the salty keys? :-) I know there was a whole set in Carbon R2 matching many sets, but I don't know what the story behind them is ;-)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Anakey on Wed, 18 September 2019, 14:31:12
OT: What's the deal with the salty keys? :-) I know there was a whole set in Carbon R2 matching many sets, but I don't know what the story behind them is ;-)

there was an error on the Carbon SA R2 drop where the price advertised for warning signs kit in all 3 colorways was abnormally low like $12 for like 36 keys. A few days into the drop they corrected the pricing but those that already got them were charged the original price. Out of the drama this caused because of those that missed out a salty keys kit was added as a joke and it looks like it made it into GMK version with the different colorways.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mode on Sat, 21 September 2019, 08:02:57
Will definitely be picking up a set of yuri alps, so glad to see ISO support!

If anyone's interested, I recently had a couple of ISO plates made by laserboost for the LFKeyboards LFK-TKL/SMK PCB with costar stabs and I've attached the .dxf. It should work perfectly with this set, I did the first for a nexus slider build with oranges, and the second should get the blue alps from the board above with yuri :)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: ZivZulander on Sun, 22 September 2019, 09:00:29
Will definitely be picking up a set of yuri alps, so glad to see ISO support!

If anyone's interested, I recently had a couple of ISO plates made by laserboost for the LFKeyboards LFK-TKL/SMK PCB with costar stabs and I've attached the .dxf. It should work perfectly with this set, I did the first for a nexus slider build with oranges, and the second should get the blue alps from the board above with yuri :)

Awesome! I have a SMK65 waiting to go into a build, but the initial reason I got that rather than TKL was the lack of a plate. Will definitely use this for a future build.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mode on Sun, 22 September 2019, 10:19:25
Awesome! I have a the SMK65 waiting to go into a build, but the initial reason I got that rather than TKL was the lack of a plate. Will definitely use this for a future build.

Glad someone is getting some use out of it, my first attempt didn't fit as the default TKL design from http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com looks the same but isn't. I'm kinda glad I had to reorder though as the quality was much much better from laserboost compared to the first from lasergist, turned up fast too.

I'm coming around to the idea of getting the SA set for my nexus build too, the dark cosmos scheme is really growing on me.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: SenhorHoshino on Wed, 25 September 2019, 04:09:49
Is this really only dropping on Drop? Such a shame for EU buyers...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 18:54:58
are the alphas with latin and cyrillic going to be available on the lighter blue or only the darker blue?  the darker blue alphas don't appeal to me but i'd prefer both legends.  especially since double mods are avaiiable.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 18:55:43
OT: What's the deal with the salty keys? :-) I know there was a whole set in Carbon R2 matching many sets, but I don't know what the story behind them is ;-)

somebody always gets salty over some decision a keycap designer makes.  the legends are already made, so why not use them?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 25 September 2019, 19:00:27
What do you all think of the triangles as arrow keys? I personally really dislike them. Would much rather have an actual arrow shape or text.

i prefer the greater-than / less-than style chevrons that mito uses on many of his sets.  arrows would be my second choice.  don't like the triangles much.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 00:03:32
are the alphas with latin and cyrillic going to be available on the lighter blue or only the darker blue?  the darker blue alphas don't appeal to me but i'd prefer both legends.  especially since double mods are avaiiable.

You can see all available kits in the first post of this IC. So yes the dual alphas will be available only in Cosmos version.

What do you all think of the triangles as arrow keys? I personally really dislike them. Would much rather have an actual arrow shape or text.

i prefer the greater-than / less-than style chevrons that mito uses on many of his sets.  arrows would be my second choice.  don't like the triangles much.

I prefer these triangles because they do match the large alphas of SA sets better. The arrows look dwarfed in the whole picture. I've used those triangles already in SP SA Carbon R1.

Is this really only dropping on Drop? Such a shame for EU buyers...

It will be dropping only Drop.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 01:54:14


It will be dropping only Drop.

Can I ask for the reason? Genuine question. I think the community very strongly prefers local vendors. Is it just the mentioned "inexperience" with vendors? Or does Drop "pay" better? ;) (If you do this for a living then I'd totally understand, don't get me wrong.) I can imagine there is probably greater sales potential on Drop, but at what cost...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 02:06:17


It will be dropping only Drop.

Can I ask for the reason? Genuine question. I think the community very strongly prefers local vendors. Is it just the mentioned "inexperience" with vendors? Or does Drop "pay" better? ;) (If you do this for a living then I'd totally understand, don't get me wrong.) I can imagine there is probably greater sales potential on Drop, but at what cost...
I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Adelscott on Thu, 26 September 2019, 02:12:43
OP


Please do something no one dares on drop : add an ISO-FR kit to your set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:10:27
hello topic starter, is it still possible to count me into the group planing to buy this set of keycaps? 
I am new to this forum, probably 1st time to reach out to buy something in this way.
I am not quite sure what I need to do, pls let me know. Thx. 
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:15:21
hello topic starter, is it still possible to count me into the group planing to buy this set of keycaps? 
I am new to this forum, probably 1st time to reach out to buy something in this way.
I am not quite sure what I need to do, pls let me know. Thx.
Hello and welcome to Geekhack.

The sale did not started yet. But it will start on Drop in October. Everyone will be able to participate in this sale.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:20:10
Great! not too late  ;D
possible to be a bit more specific in time? like beginning or mid Oct ?
thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:27:49
Great! not too late  ;D
possible to be a bit more specific in time? like beginning or mid Oct ?
thanks.
The sale will last through whole October. Say it will begin in the first days of October and it will end by the end of October.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: lz2019 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 03:33:15
perfect  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: piit79 on Thu, 26 September 2019, 06:50:18


I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.

OK, thanks for the info. Just to be clear, I'd respect it even if it was about the money ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 07:24:41


I prefer to work with already established partners and it was planned long time ago to run it on drop. It's not about the money.

OK, thanks for the info. Just to be clear, I'd respect it even if it was about the money ;)
I would get a revenue from any vendor I could run this keyset with. Its not a secret that designers get a revenue and it's a right thing. If you generate money with a design then it's normal praxis to pay revenue. Thing is, I planned this to run with Drop and I've talked with them already like a year ago.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Thu, 26 September 2019, 14:37:12
Hey T,

Will anything be limited or first-come-first-serve?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 14:41:46
Hey T,

Will anything be limited or first-come-first-serve?

There will be no limits (tho i heard of an limit for the amount of keysets one can buy) and its not first com first serve. It's just a regular group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 26 September 2019, 15:57:29
Just got new renders from Oblotzky.
(https://i.imgur.com/3FcCV3D.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iXD1aIM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/JK1hcCz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Y0WPv5e.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GhzLGle.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:06:31
Added new renders with SAR keyboard:
(https://i.imgur.com/KCyiuAD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lHVMhNU.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:39:10
It looks like the Д legend is sitting slightly higher than it should. Its baseline is just above that of the other characters.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 00:49:12
It looks like the Д legend is sitting slightly higher than it should. Its baseline is just above that of the other characters.
It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:09:33
Man, seeing the renders just makes me wish even more numpad had a dual text option too, but I guess that's the numpad-user life.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:14:49
Man, seeing the renders just makes me wish even more numpad had a dual text option too, but I guess that's the numpad-user life.
You can still use dual cosmos with Latin mods and numpad for consistency. That works just fine for 1800er layout.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:17:27
It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.

Seems a bit off to me, in the renders at least. If it's aligned in the legend vectors themselves, then I guess it's okay.

(https://i.imgur.com/oicWVWY.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 01:28:35
It's on the same base. See the distance to the edge. It's small tales are out of the base which is normal.

Seems a bit off to me, in the renders at least. If it's aligned in the legend vectors themselves, then I guess it's okay.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/oicWVWY.png)

Those are just renders/mockups. For proper alignments of single alphas SP will get an graph with base alignments. The centering will be done during mold manufacturing.

Tho I thought you meant dual alignments before. Those on the other hand are aligned specifically by me. They still need to be centred by SP but the distance between letters on each key are aligned for production.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: matrixzj on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:21:06
4 days to go, really excited to make it happened.

BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:31:00
4 days to go, really excited to make it happened.

BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
The color codes are BFR, BFM and OAV.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: matrixzj on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:42:09
4 days to go, really excited to make it happened.

BTW, will you share SP Color codes for it ?
The color codes are BFR, BFM and OAV.

Thanks for kindly sharing to bring this info page up: https://matrixzj.github.io/docs/sa-keycaps/Yuri/
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: ctrlshiftbryan on Fri, 27 September 2019, 05:01:38
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 06:08:55
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?
Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.

This is a good example why an IC is important.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:22:33
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?
Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.

This is a good example why an IC is important.

Russian brood here. WAIT, don't put it in production! There's no such ****ing thing as ФИКС СДВИГА (CAPS LOCK) it's really, really bad automated translation that makes me puke. Please refer to matt3o russian legends for reference https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17319&start=#p385176

On the other thought, ah **** it, you can survive ФИКС СДВИГА if the only other option is 3ГЛ (SHIFT is usually just РЕГ).

Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:32:03
Any chance of adding a R3 1.75 Control key to the base kit?
Good catch I'll add it in the next update - even if its late. I wonder how could I forget it.

This is a good example why an IC is important.

Russian brood here. WAIT, don't put it in production! There's no such ****ing thing as ФИКС СДВИГА (CAPS LOCK) it's really, really bad automated translation that makes me puke. Please refer to matt3o russian legends for reference https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=17319&start=#p385176

On the other thought, ah **** it, you can survive ФИКС СДВИГА if the only other option is 3ГЛ (SHIFT is usually just РЕГ).
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.

Tho I am ready to discuss the shift. I had in previous version it as регистр.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: CosmosAtlas on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:33:20
Wow, glad to see another alps keycaps drop after Alpine. Definitely in for the DCS ALPS Yuri.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: joric on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:43:31
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.
Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:47:53
I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.
Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,
I am absolutely against заглавные. Because the term does not cover the real functionality. It is typewriter term. Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.

Регистр on the other hand is right. I had it in my previous version.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Zephyraeon on Fri, 27 September 2019, 08:50:38
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 10:39:12
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?

I don't think 6.5u spacebar is available and you should keep in mind that you will have to use cherry stabs. So i don't know if its compatible with AEK at all. That set is made more for custom keyboards with alps and cherry stabs.

I do speak Russian too. This not google translation but the terms are chosen after real functionality. I dont want to use outdated typewriter terms. This is something new.
Ok if official ГОСТ 14289-88 symbols seem too short maybe use РЕГИСТР instead of РЕГ and ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ instead of ЗАГ. Just saying,

Another thing. Why its called SHIFT and not REGISTER in western countries? It shifts the register тоо.
По моему мнению, технически и по понятию что эта клавиша на самом деле делает - СДВИГ подходит больше. На самом деле сдвиг тоже перешел от печатнои машинки - но там был сдвиг механизма. Но даже сеичас этот термин актуален, так как он произодит здвиг в регистре. Само слово регистр по себе производит впечатление что есть какое то множественое число этих регистров - но у нас их в этом случае только два. По этому я бы лучше преминил бы регистр как термин для "layers" если програмное обеспечение клавиатуры такое позволяет (например QMK). То что ГОСТ 14289-88 описывает так и не стало стандартом. Если бы был настоящии стандарт, он был бы и стандартом в гос структурах и на рынке, как например ИЗО ДЕ в Германии.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:45:23
Update

Modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u CONTROL key
(https://i.imgur.com/v9AafDr.png)

Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u КОМАНДА key
- Changed key label from КРЛЦ to РУССКИЙ. Cyrillic is a group of alphabets. Yuri implements specifically and obviously the Russian alphabet. So we have to be precise here.
(https://i.imgur.com/muQ5uHc.png)

Dual modifiers kit
- Added R3 1.75u КОМАНДА/CONTROL key
- Changed from КРЛЦ/CYRILLIC to РУССКИЙ/RUSSIAN for the same reason as mentioned in the Cyrillic modifiers kit.
(https://i.imgur.com/LWAO4WJ.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:45:32
Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.


Isn't Shift Lock actually the one that's outdated? Pressing 1 while caps is one produces 1, not !.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 11:54:55
Caps lock is by the way also outdated because now it should be called shift lock.


Isn't Shift Lock actually the one that's outdated? Pressing 1 while caps is one produces 1, not !.

But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: tucvbif on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:04:23
There are most often labels for modifier keys, that I saw on soviet keyboards:
Alt Доп, АР (альтернативный регистр), Алт
Ctrl Упр, УС, СУ. But команда, IMO, is more decent label for this button, but I never seen it on soviet keyboards.
Shift Загл, Рег, Проп, СПС, ВР
Caps Lock ФЗБ (some terminals used otherwise ФСБ: фиксация строчных букв), ФР, ФВР, ФП, Фикс.
Key for change language usually labeled Р/Л, but also Алф is fine too. Also it will be useful in R21.75, as replacement for Caps Lock.
BackSpace besides most often case Забой (ЗБ) also labeled Ред (редактирование) or ВШ (возврат на шаг).
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:30:43
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.

It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:44:01
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.

It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.

That's right in the operation system its listed as caps lock however it does not determine how it should behave. As i said, the behavior is determined by the keyboard layout you are using (left bottom corner in Windows for example). I got several keyboard layouts where it acts as caps lock and i got keyboard layouts where it acts as shift lock. And as programmer i can tell you that i can reinterpret it in an application to do more or less than a caps lock. So what is it exactly?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:51:47
But it depends on the language package you are using. And it differs always. Nowadays caps lock or shift (also other modifiers) are managed by operating system. AFAIK back in the days it was managed by keyboards. Anyway its basically a "status"/"mode" for the operating system but which symbols are typed depends on the language package (or even in some cases its done by the program/application you typing into) you are currently using. So its a shift lock.

It's not Shift Lock exactly because of the reasons you listed. Shift Lock would imply that when this mode was enabled, the non-modifier keys would behave as if Shift were being held. However, this is not the case: Caps Lock is a separate mode that can have a completely independent character mapping (as you said). For example, Caps Lock on the Serbian Programmer layout changes the script from Latin to Cyrillic, which is completely separate from / orthogonal to upper and lower case, which are controlled by Shift. More information here (http://www.kbdedit.com/manual/high_level_caps_lock.html). In conclusion, caps on modern systems is, in fact, Caps Lock and not Shift Lock.

That's right in the operation system its listed as caps lock however it does not determine how it should behave. As i said, the behavior is determined by the keyboard layout you are using (left bottom corner in Windows for example). I got several keyboard layouts where it acts as caps lock and i got keyboard layouts where it acts as shift lock. And as programmer i can tell you that i can reinterpret it in an application to do more or less than a caps lock. So what is it exactly?

Ahhh yeah. Look what i have found on Wikipedia: In most cases, the status of the Caps Lock key only changes the meaning of the alphabet keys, not that of any other key. Microsoft Windows enforces this behavior only when a keyboard layout for a Latin-based script is active, e.g. the "English (United States)" layout but not the "Persian" layout. However, on certain non-QWERTY keyboard layouts, such as the French AZERTY and the German QWERTZ, Caps Lock still behaves like a traditional Shift lock, i.e., the keyboard behaves as if the Shift key is held down, causing the keyboard to input the alternative values of the keys; example the "5" key generates a "%" when Caps lock is pressed. This is not true for the layout "German (IBM)".
source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caps_Lock

Do you understand my issue with Caps Lock? ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 27 September 2019, 12:53:04
That's what I'm trying to say: the name Caps Lock doesn't mean that it needs to control caps (capital letters); whereas the name Shift Lock does imply that it needs to behave as if Shift were held while the lock is on. Which is not how Caps Lock works on any modern system. Think about it like this: it's called Caps Lock (either for historical reasons, or because that's how it's most frequently used), but it's as you described a separate mode which behaves differently depending on the active logical layout.

Edit: The Wikipedia bit you quoted backs up what I'm saying :D
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 13:13:41
That's what I'm trying to say: the name Caps Lock doesn't mean that it needs to control caps (capital letters); whereas the name Shift Lock does imply that it needs to behave as if Shift were held while the lock is on. Which is not how Caps Lock works on any modern system. Think about it like this: it's called Caps Lock (either for historical reasons, or because that's how it's most frequently used), but it's as you described a separate mode which behaves differently depending on the active logical layout.

Edit: The Wikipedia bit you quoted backs up what I'm saying :D

Good i'll change it to "ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ" because - obviously Yuri does not implement French or German layout. But this knowledge will now make the International kits, which do implement ISO DE, a "Shift Lock" more expensive.....
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 27 September 2019, 13:53:22
Update

Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Changed Shift Lock to Caps Lock
(https://i.imgur.com/o6AflXx.png)
Dual modifiers kit
- Changed Shift Lock to Caps Lock
(https://i.imgur.com/4u290w5.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mode on Fri, 27 September 2019, 15:13:28
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?

The profile wouldn't work at all in an AEK case, the last row is so much taller than the first, it'd look like the last row of DCS is sunken into the keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 27 September 2019, 16:04:18
Good i'll change it to "ЗАГЛАВНЫЕ" because - obviously Yuri does not implement French or German layout. But this knowledge will now make the International kits, which do implement ISO DE, a "Shift Lock" more expensive.....
Since it's fitting the theme for this set, i dont think anyone would complain about having that same label for Intl kit :P
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Anakey on Fri, 27 September 2019, 17:04:00
I think it always used to be shift lock when looking at vintage boards. I think that Caps Lock was introduced when there were programming languages like APL or ASCII codes on alpha keys that could be input with shift lock, then there was a seperate key for Caps Lock that only input capitals. as programming languages died out due to the manopoly of DoS/Windows it made the shift lock key redundant hence only caps lock was retained.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: spikedsynapse on Fri, 27 September 2019, 20:55:20
I really like this. Can't wait till it shows up on drop.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: LevelSteam on Sat, 28 September 2019, 07:41:37
Looking good! This set is a perfect fit for SA profile, can't wait to join.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Hackerpilot on Sun, 29 September 2019, 02:58:45
Useless whining:

I was excited when I saw the Ergodox kit, then less so when I saw that it mandates the use of accent and novelty keys. If star spacebars and orange R1 is part of the core of this set's design, why is it not that way on all the modifier kits?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 29 September 2019, 03:18:49
Useless whining:

I was excited when I saw the Ergodox kit, then less so when I saw that it mandates the use of accent and novelty keys. If star spacebars and orange R1 is part of the core of this set's design, why is it not that way on all the modifier kits?

If you want to have blanks instead of novelties you can buy two spacekeys kits. If i remove those novelties people who want it with novelties will need to buy two novelties kits which is obviously more expensive than buying just two spacekeys kits.

Another reason for it is, i want it so. I did it in every Carbon round and GMK Yuri and i repeat this tradition here too.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: iammeuru on Sun, 29 September 2019, 16:02:46
Could a 6.5u space be added to ALPS for AEK compatibility?

I don't think 6.5u spacebar is available and you should keep in mind that you will have to use cherry stabs. So i don't know if its compatible with AEK at all. That set is made more for custom keyboards with alps and cherry stabs.


So, that's not 100% true on the requirement to use Cherry stabs... you can use costar inserts, and stabilizer wires from something like a k104 which natively supported that (amongst other boards), also making custom alps wires is dead simple. I would actually argue that there are more folks using costar inserts than cherry screw-in, plate mount, or clip-in stabilizers when using the DCS Alps, Tai-Hao Alps, or DSA Alps sets available... There are very few customs that offer alps, and even fewer where the PCB and/or plate support cherry stabilizers.

With a custom set though, I doubt many folks would choose the AEK layout over standard ANSI or Tsangan... even ISO is likely going to be more popular of a choice. Most AEK supporting boards would just use AEK Caps... Also, on the top row for AEK you'd need sideways center stems.

I really want to see numpad with that 1u numpad zero key for 1800 and full size support, which I feel would be more likely than AEK or ISO, since 1800 is where there is a bunch of current (or recent) customs with Alps support (TKC1800 and HBCP, the former of which even supports cherry screw-in stabs, and the PCB works in the TX1800 as well)...
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Mon, 30 September 2019, 08:26:56
Thx for new renders, helped me to confirm my prospective kit purchases (basically 1 of each kit). Cant wait for this drop to kick off.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Mon, 30 September 2019, 09:19:13
Would it be possible to include a 2u spacebar in the 40's kit for ortho?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 30 September 2019, 11:31:12
Update

Cyrillic modifiers kit
- Changed META keys to SUPER
(https://i.imgur.com/2NzyT6A.png)

Would it be possible to include a 2u spacebar in the 40's kit for ortho?

40% kit is not only about the plank/preonic but it also supports other 40% layouts which do use split space bars of different sizes. And there are also 40% layouts which do use 6.25u spacebar and i guess there is also one layout with 7u spacebar.
Then everyone has its own preference for color.

So unfortunately its not possible to include any of spacebars.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:12:07
Update

- Changed both mod kits with Cyrillics to match ГОСТ specifications more closely.

Cyrillic modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/lN1yLuu.png)
Dual modifiers kit
(https://i.imgur.com/SEcmEYD.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:45:22
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 30 September 2019, 17:46:47
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?

The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: dvorcol on Mon, 30 September 2019, 18:04:47
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?

The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.

Ah, so they're R3 blanks.  GMK recently added 1.25U and 1.75U convex.  Do you know what sizes of SA convex are currently available from SP?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 30 September 2019, 18:17:54
Is everything in the Spacekeys kit convex?

The opposite, they are all concave (R3) aka not spacebar shaped.

Ah, so they're R3 blanks.  GMK recently added 1.25U and 1.75U convex.  Do you know what sizes of SA convex are currently available from SP?

Only 4u and updwards AFAIK
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mode on Tue, 01 October 2019, 01:12:15
Will it be up today?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 01 October 2019, 01:40:46
Will it be up today?
Not today. But in the upcoming days.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: lz2019 on Tue, 01 October 2019, 16:05:34

are all the pictures of kits currently in the very 1st post the most updated ones?

it's time to carefully examine which one(s) to buy.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 01 October 2019, 16:28:01

are all the pictures of kits currently in the very 1st post the most updated ones?

it's time to carefully examine which one(s) to buy.
Yes, first post is up to date.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: lz2019 on Wed, 02 October 2019, 14:50:16
Will it be up today?
Not today. But in the upcoming days.

I found it's on Drop, as of today Oct 2nd.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: guy0naBuffal0 on Wed, 02 October 2019, 22:37:23
I checked today and the only option I see on Drop is "Request".
Am I doing something wrong?

Quote

I found it's on Drop, as of today Oct 2nd.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 02 October 2019, 23:12:29
https://drop.com/buy/drop-t0mb3ry-sa-yuri-custom-keycap-set

Cant buy yet, but prices here.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mode on Thu, 03 October 2019, 00:47:44
price for alps seems reasonable, fingers crossed we get more than 100 people buying, but I'd be fine with 180 just to get an ALPS set with an ISO return in it!
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 02:32:49
The drop should start today if everything goes fine.

price for alps seems reasonable, fingers crossed we get more than 100 people buying, but I'd be fine with 180 just to get an ALPS set with an ISO return in it!

Yes the price is reasonable for the first MOQ of 100. Tho its still quite high. However with 200 alps kits, the price drops down to 130 $ which is significant.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 03 October 2019, 07:48:35
Prices are...well as expected, but pain gets less at high moq, however it is not a shock either given some other SA drops and pretty much in line with other recent ones.

Thx a ton again t0mb3ry to make this happen. I didnt go for GMK Yuri as I was waiting for this.

Now about that SA Carbon R3......I missed out on past 2 runs, this will be my final SA set.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: Morgan3Wheeler on Thu, 03 October 2019, 07:58:43
Is there not 2u Shift?
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:05:19
Is there not 2u Shift?

No, there is no 2u shift available. In this drop there is only support for basic layouts. 2u shift is exotic.


Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:08:45
The drop is online i guess. The "pre-order" button is active.
Title: Re: [IC] SP SA Yuri / DCS ALPS Yuri (dropping in October)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 October 2019, 08:16:06
Ok the drop is officially online.

So i am closing this IC thread and will open GB thread.

I am very thankful to people who made constructive feedback and kept the discussion about Cyrillic labels.

Closed!