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Title: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: brainandforce on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:38:16
I'm going to start this off by saying that I have never designed run an interest check before for anything. However, I felt that this is just too good a concept to pass up, so I'll start here. All feedback is appreciated, as well as any offers of assistance!

(https://i.imgur.com/Vjo6QL4.jpg)

GMK Silver Arrows celebrates the current Formula 1 Constructor's Champion, Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport!

(https://i.imgur.com/bqZ9nRU.png)

Color assignment is currently uncertain, but the only custom color for now is the Petronas background color/accent background which is Pantone 321 C. The black is CR, the white is WS1, and the gray is 2B. The colors are actually based on the cars from 2013-2018, not the current car, which has more complex coloring and textures. The gray and black scheme should suit a variety of boards.

I am getting in contact with Mercedes-AMG F1 in order to determine whether some of their designs can be licensed for use as novelties. Personally, I'm not big on novelties, so I only have a few ideas:

As for alternate legends, I'd like to include "Tactics" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkW-LzcX7Fs) keys as an Enter replacement, as well as "Pole" keys to complement the Win keys.

Below is a keyboard render:

(https://i.imgur.com/0Jyfi2t.png)

If you're interested, here is the interest check form! (https://forms.gle/AbPb7P3DLf6gbhux8)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:43:57
Someone more knowledgeable than me can confirm one way or the other, but I don't believe you can use other people's trademarks on your keycaps (e.g.: the Mercedes logo, AMG logo...etc.).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: vosechu on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:46:16
Someone more knowledgeable than me can confirm one way or the other, but I don't believe you can use other people's trademarks on your keycaps (e.g.: the Mercedes logo, AMG logo...etc.).

You can if they give you permission in writing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: xondat on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:50:59
Love it - I had this idea a couple years back but never went further.

I think mine used the green/blue a bit more prominently, but makes sense this way.



Personally would add 77 and 6 for novelties too.

"Valtteri, it's James" as a novelty would be amazing :D

Maybe a helmet too?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: DukeEsquire on Wed, 10 July 2019, 20:55:45
Someone more knowledgeable than me can confirm one way or the other, but I don't believe you can use other people's trademarks on your keycaps (e.g.: the Mercedes logo, AMG logo...etc.).

You can if they give you permission in writing.

Yeah, I meant without permission/license. I doubt Mercedes is  going to give permission and even when license-holders get consent, you might end up with the Gundam fiasco.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: brainandforce on Wed, 10 July 2019, 21:25:30
Someone more knowledgeable than me can confirm one way or the other, but I don't believe you can use other people's trademarks on your keycaps (e.g.: the Mercedes logo, AMG logo...etc.).

You can if they give you permission in writing.

One of the reasons I decided to go with Mercedes theming is because Mercedes has very active fan engagement (look at their social media accounts). Of all teams currently on the grid, they're probably the most likely to be helpful with this project.

That being said, this set isn't dependent on licensed novelties. I have ambitions, but I don't want to depend on the most lofty ones for this set to become a success.

Love it - I had this idea a couple years back but never went further.

I think mine used the green/blue a bit more prominently, but makes sense this way.



Personally would add 77 and 6 for novelties too.

"Valtteri, it's James" as a novelty would be amazing :D

Maybe a helmet too?

Thanks! I know there have been plenty of ideas thrown around for F1 themed keycap sets (DSA Toro Rosso, GMK Pole Position, etc) and I felt this one deserves its time to shine. I've noted the helmet and the 77/6 novelty ideas. I wonder how much of a stretch a "James" key would be...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: ptiede on Wed, 10 July 2019, 22:25:28
I love the colors. I was actually wanting a set like this so I'm in
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: etong415 on Wed, 10 July 2019, 22:38:12
I was just thinking about how I'd like a gray GMK set to match my cable on my commute home. In for sure!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: tentboy on Thu, 11 July 2019, 06:19:27
This set 1-2.

Looks awesome, and im loving the Petronas green accents.

I played around with and IC'd a Ferrari sf90 themed set a while ago but just wont have the time to work on it + I think the colors are too bright for mass appeal - but these are much tamer and very nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 11 July 2019, 06:51:16
Any chance we could have silver/gray modifiers?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 11 July 2019, 08:02:17
The color of alpha is so cool.
Love the metal touch.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: adxlk on Thu, 11 July 2019, 08:02:29
gmk delta?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: brainandforce on Thu, 11 July 2019, 09:59:31
The color of alpha is so cool.
Love the metal touch.

The metallic color is an artifact of rendering, but if this set garners enough interest I'll definitely ask about whether the caps can be made to look more metallic.

Any chance we could have silver/gray modifiers?

There seems to be some interest in this, so it's definitely under consideration! (This is not a particularly well-developed concept yet so I haven't really thought about kit structure)

gmk delta?

I've recieved comparisons to Delta and to Modern Dolch, but I think it stands out with its unique theming.

This set 1-2.

Looks awesome, and im loving the Petronas green accents.

I played around with and IC'd a Ferrari sf90 themed set a while ago but just wont have the time to work on it + I think the colors are too bright for mass appeal - but these are much tamer and very nice.

Oh no, not another Mercedes 1-2.

I actually am interested in GMK Pole Position as well! While it is loud, I'd love to see F1 themed keycap sets make it to the group buy phase, and it certainly has its place. I also don't blame you for not wanting to deal with Ferrari IP - I've heard licensing from them is extremely difficult.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: vi0till on Thu, 11 July 2019, 10:15:16
Feels like this set is must buy for Malaysian, to support Petronas.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: adxlk on Thu, 11 July 2019, 11:55:08
either way, looking forward to how this turns out. I was hoping to see a set for Ayrton Senna but i'll make due with this petronas theme one for now xd
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: hineybush on Thu, 11 July 2019, 12:49:22
Cool idea. Will monitor
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: TastyChance on Thu, 11 July 2019, 19:14:27
Cool idea, why not use the W10 in the banner though? Could also use the stars/lauda red star for a novelty.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: o3okevin on Thu, 11 July 2019, 20:10:31
looks cool!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: dilbertprogrammer on Fri, 12 July 2019, 13:04:15
Best of luck getting the necessary permission for the licensing to fulfill your vision!


I tried something similar a couple of years ago... (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91085.msg2475660#msg2475660)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: tentboy on Fri, 12 July 2019, 13:43:32
Best of luck getting the necessary permission for the licensing to fulfill your vision!


I tried something similar a couple of years ago... (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91085.msg2475660#msg2475660)
dsa torpeed.

really any motorsports set would make me happy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: abkumar on Sat, 13 July 2019, 01:42:01
I can't think of any interesting/simple designs, but incorporating the safety car (since it is a Mercedes SLS AMG) would be cool. I am also amused by the fact that GMK Silver Arrows doesn't have silver (gray) arrow keys.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: taintedPurple on Sun, 14 July 2019, 17:02:28
I love this. Hope it makes it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: xondat on Sun, 14 July 2019, 17:09:21
Maybe we need a "1-2" novelty :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: dannyny on Sun, 14 July 2019, 17:22:36
would buy. needs more of that blue if possible...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Smoff on Mon, 15 July 2019, 08:57:25
This will be really good if you can nail the silver color :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: varszegimarcell on Mon, 15 July 2019, 09:17:15
I'm going to start this off by saying that I have never designed run an interest check before for anything. However, I felt that this is just too good a concept to pass up, so I'll start here. All feedback is appreciated, as well as any offers of assistance!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Vjo6QL4.jpg)


GMK Silver Arrows celebrates the current Formula 1 Constructor's Champion, Mercedes-AMG Petronas Motorsport!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/bqZ9nRU.png)


Color assignment is currently uncertain, but the only custom color for now is the Petronas background color/accent background which is Pantone 321 C. The black is CR, the white is WS1, and the gray is 2B. The colors are actually based on the cars from 2013-2018, not the current car, which has more complex coloring and textures. The gray and black scheme should suit a variety of boards.

I am getting in contact with Mercedes-AMG F1 in order to determine whether some of their designs can be licensed for use as novelties. Personally, I'm not big on novelties, so I only have a few ideas:
  • The Mercedes roundel
  • AMG logo
  • 44 (Lewis Hamilton's car number), 77 (Valtteri Bottas), 6 (Nico Rosberg)
  • Perhaps a rear view of a Formula 1 car, as in the banner
  • Helmet (as suggested by xondat)

As for alternate legends, I'd like to include "Tactics" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkW-LzcX7Fs) keys as an Enter replacement, as well as "Pole" keys to complement the Win keys.

Below is a keyboard render:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0Jyfi2t.png)


If you're interested, here is the interest check form! (https://forms.gle/AbPb7P3DLf6gbhux8)

Looks pretty nice! Sadly, I can't afford GMK sets at the moment...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: varszegimarcell on Mon, 15 July 2019, 09:20:10
This will be really good if you can nail the silver color :thumb:

That would be insanely hard with ABS. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Smoff on Mon, 15 July 2019, 11:39:01
This will be really good if you can nail the silver color :thumb:

That would be insanely hard with ABS.
Yeah I know that. What I meant with "nail the silver color" is getting the best looking shade of gray pretty much
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: xondat on Mon, 15 July 2019, 11:42:01
Looks pretty nice! Sadly, I can't afford GMK sets at the moment...

Probably wouldn't run until next year anyway.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: varszegimarcell on Mon, 15 July 2019, 15:05:46
Looks pretty nice! Sadly, I can't afford GMK sets at the moment...

Probably wouldn't run until next year anyway.

If it happens that way, I would be very interested. :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: tikkaman on Mon, 15 July 2019, 16:26:37
An F1 keyset really excites me! Definitely in for a set if this goes to gb. A few ideas for memey text novelties/mods:

1) "IN IN IN IN"
2) "Get in there (Lewis)"
3) "Best crowd/fans today"
4) "Ferrari is looking strong this weekend"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: famguy07 on Mon, 15 July 2019, 17:07:48
I already filled out the IC form, but I just had another idea for the novelties/accents. You could add an extra set of F5 thru F8 that are the neon yellow color of the TV pod on the team's second car.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: brainandforce on Tue, 16 July 2019, 23:55:29
An F1 keyset really excites me! Definitely in for a set if this goes to gb. A few ideas for memey text novelties/mods:

1) "IN IN IN IN"
2) "Get in there (Lewis)"
3) "Best crowd/fans today"
4) "Ferrari is looking strong this weekend"

These are long options but I could definitely see an "In" and "Stay Out" key. I don't mind going a bit memey on the text novelties.

Once I have an idea of where I want each text novelty to go I'll get some proper renders done with them.
I already filled out the IC form, but I just had another idea for the novelties/accents. You could add an extra set of F5 thru F8 that are the neon yellow color of the TV pod on the team's second car.

Not a bad idea! I'll definitely consider this.
Looks pretty nice! Sadly, I can't afford GMK sets at the moment...

Probably wouldn't run until next year anyway.

Yeah, this project is really just taking its first steps. I don't expect it to be ready for quite a while, and that's if I can get enough interest. I still don't have proper renders yet.

Maybe we need a "1-2" novelty :p

I can't think of any interesting/simple designs, but incorporating the safety car (since it is a Mercedes SLS AMG) would be cool. I am also amused by the fact that GMK Silver Arrows doesn't have silver (gray) arrow keys.

As great an idea this is, I don't know how distinct these would be compared to the white arrow keys shown in the render. I was considering blue on gray but I fear the contrast might be too low.

Cool idea, why not use the W10 in the banner though? Could also use the stars/lauda red star for a novelty.

Because it's the only free image that has the shot I want of the Mercedes car :P

Also, that might be a licensing issue, but it's under consideration; certainly a fitting novelty. Again, thanks to everyone for the ideas!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Snowy on Thu, 18 July 2019, 19:42:11
Where's a second 2.25u shift for us 66 key keyboard users? Every single GMK kit I've encountered in the past has one.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: nasp on Thu, 18 July 2019, 22:59:32
Where's a second 2.25u shift for us 66 key keyboard users? Every single GMK kit I've encountered in the past has one.

That's just a stock render layout from a keycap render site. I'm sure his actual base kit layout will be a bit different.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: kconfire on Fri, 19 July 2019, 01:19:53
This is awesome.

Can't wait to see what you'll bring.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: ludd3 on Wed, 14 August 2019, 08:54:33
Oh Im soooo in. Matches my car

(https://i.ibb.co/84pmntZ/20190814-154233.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bRZ6jD9)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: lendflat on Wed, 14 August 2019, 09:47:30
Another gmk set? is there that much demand for gmk? worse profile ever.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:11:10
I'd like to chime in to point out a minor problem in the base kit regarding ISO support.

As the kit stands now, you've got neither full UK ISO support nor US ISO support, but are instead falling "in the middle of the pond", producing something called "Atlantis ISO". To fix this in the base kit, you have two (ok, three) options:

1) Complete the US ISO support. To do this, replace the R3 #~ key with an R3 \| key instead. the R4 \| key has to remain.

2) Complete the UK ISO support. To do this, do not remove anything, add the three missing keys in R1: `, 2" and 3, and add the missing key in R3: '@.

3) Offer full UK+US ISO support. To do this, do not remove anything, add the three missing keys in R1: `, 2" and 3, and add the two missing keys in R3: '@ and \|.

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: nasp on Wed, 14 August 2019, 13:15:45
I'd like to chime in to point out a minor problem in the base kit regarding ISO support.

As the kit stands now, you've got neither full UK ISO support nor US ISO support, but are instead falling "in the middle of the pond", producing something called "Atlantis ISO". To fix this in the base kit, you have two (ok, three) options:

1) Complete the US ISO support. To do this, replace the R3 #~ key with an R3 \| key instead. the R4 \| key has to remain.

2) Complete the UK ISO support. To do this, do not remove anything, add the three missing keys in R1: `, 2" and 3, and add the missing key in R3: '@.

3) Offer full UK+US ISO support. To do this, do not remove anything, add the three missing keys in R1: `, 2" and 3, and add the two missing keys in R3: '@ and \|.

Hope this helps!

That base kit render is from https://keycaprenders.com/ (powered by MyKeyboard.EU BTW). It's a template that you cannot change and one that everyone receives who requests a kit render. I don't think they are going to use this base kit, but we do appreciate your information regarding ISO support.

Cheers!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: kontradictions on Wed, 14 August 2019, 21:52:35
I hate the Mercedes F1 team because they keep winning but I love the colorway. I'm so conflicted!  :))
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 14 August 2019, 22:06:57
i had some designs for a merc set but could never get the colors quite right

this is close

but **** any team that isn't red bull
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: dannyny on Sat, 14 September 2019, 12:12:24
Any update on this set?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 14 September 2019, 12:17:33
Looks slick, with that shiny case in the render it's like a faster version of Dolch :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: jejuzy on Sat, 14 September 2019, 22:31:01
Looks good, reminds me a little too much of va87m moonlight though. GL!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Etherealsound on Sun, 15 September 2019, 01:05:18
Looks great! Pretty awesome since there isn't really any sets out there that make use of a silver color.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: brainandforce on Mon, 16 September 2019, 15:50:14
Just a quick update on this project: I've started grad school and all notions of "free time" have been thrown out the window. In fact, if it wasn't for the fact that someone sent me a message on Discord about it, I probably would have neglected this thread. There likely won't be any updates until December. However, I definitely intend to make this set happen!

To answer questions about layout, the render is one from keycaprenders.com which has no options for kit configuration. When I run this set there will likely be full ISO+UK support in the main kit, and I think there's a compelling argument for including Nordic/DE layout keys with that as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: dannyny on Mon, 16 September 2019, 22:17:08
good luck with school.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: JerkChicken456 on Tue, 17 September 2019, 21:34:17
i really hope this one makes it.. me likes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: delet_d on Wed, 18 September 2019, 16:29:34
Great colors, kinda reminds me of modern dolch. Mercedes novelties would be sick. But as a Ferrari and vettel fan, I am obligated not to support this.  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: t0rk on Thu, 19 September 2019, 13:05:25
Very cool idea!

More novelties brainstorming...


Engine - an homage to Mercedes history as an engine supplier.

Classic Car - One of the old models like the W196 chassis.

Brawn Add-on Kit - One of the coolest liveries in recent memory. Might not fit with the alphas, but a nod to Brawn would be really cool. If not, maybe just a reference to Ross Brawn himself.

"Turbo" key - maybe for the Enter key. Image or text. Merc have dominated the V6 Turbo era.

A silver arrow - Self explanatory. For the enter key or even on the arrow keys themselves if possible. Again, an add-on kit maybe.

Nurburgring/Hockenheimring Track outline - German GP locations. I was thinking of something Stuttgart themed, but I couldn't come up with anything that didn't make it look like Porsche.

Checkered flag - stolen from dilbertprogrammer's "torro rosso" set

+1 for "IN" and "Stay out" modifiers. Maybe add "Push" or "DRS"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: VipermanGT2 on Mon, 18 November 2019, 23:09:00
I really hope this happens. This is the best keycap set I've seen in all my searching for my first set of quality caps.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: ActuallySeph on Tue, 19 November 2019, 00:18:38
I hope this will push through. I think a meme deskmat would be cool with "Valtteri, it's James" written on it.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Tue, 19 November 2019, 09:18:56
Interesting.........
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: VipermanGT2 on Fri, 06 December 2019, 18:57:06
Are there any new updates? I would purchase this in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Silver Arrows
Post by: Ryanticz on Fri, 06 December 2019, 23:29:40
First time catching this set. Instant buy for me. Love the whole colorway from alphas to accents.