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Title: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Thu, 26 September 2019, 04:27:32
Why nobody produce custom topre keycaps?
I know about those ePBT set for it, or those old 3-4 colored sets that were available, but what about other sets, colors?
If we had more options, we wouldn't have to "Novatouch" them to mount cool color sets on them.
Why none of those caps manufacturers don't make any?
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: lolafineday on Thu, 26 September 2019, 04:46:38
Because the demand just isnt there... the amount of people who are into topre want want custom keycaps are small. Keycap makes are way better off making mx compatible keycaps.

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Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Thu, 26 September 2019, 05:24:55
Because the demand just isnt there... the amount of people who are into topre want want custom keycaps are small. Keycap makes are way better off making mx compatible keycaps.

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Really? Is it that small?
I thought loads of people use Topre, RF or HHKB...
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: guptaji on Thu, 26 September 2019, 06:40:00
Because the demand just isnt there... the amount of people who are into topre want want custom keycaps are small. Keycap makes are way better off making mx compatible keycaps.

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Really? Is it that small?
I thought loads of people use Topre, RF or HHKB...

I thought many people were into Topre and the rest;the demand should be there- maybe the manufacturers are not paying enough attention
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: yui on Thu, 26 September 2019, 08:45:14
i guess it is a bit like bs keycaps, those switches represent such a minute part of the ecosystem compared to MX-compatible that they get left out.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 26 September 2019, 08:55:54
Really I think it's mostly none of the big keycap manufacturers want to invest in the tooling needed for producing caps with Topre stems since Topre is very niche in the big scheme of things. I was actually kinda shocked when ePBT offered the 9009 set, so hopefully we'll see more from them with higher quality than the 9009 set (some of the longer keys were pretty wonky form what I heard). Also KBDfans has had some HHKB sets, colored keys/spacebars, & novelty sets made in dye-subbed PBT. So there is probably at least another one or two manufacturers out there. Although I'd be dubious about the quality from them considering ePBT has to dial the quality on theirs.

I would love to see some awesome doubleshot ABS Topre keycaps akin to what we get from GMK too though. Unfortunately the chances of that happening are slim though. Since while Topre is fairly popular in the MKB enthusiast community, it honestly pales in popularity to MX based boards overall. Think about it, where the big money for a company that produces KBs would be at is selling them to companies that have large amounts of office employees. Really that's how rubber dome KBs came to be & took over, since companies like I'm talking about are always looking for the cheapest solution to their meet their needs. Thankfully some companies still buy into ergonomics & QOL for their employees making them willing to put the extra scratch out for MKBs for their employees. There to though the cheapest option to suit your needs rule comes in also so MX based boards would be the go to there. At least that would be my best guess at why we don't see more custom keycap sets made for Topre.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Thu, 26 September 2019, 09:33:25
Right, back to butchering Novatouch keyboards then...:D
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Rob27shred on Thu, 26 September 2019, 10:16:17
Right, back to butchering Novatouch keyboards then...:D

Unfortunately.... Really though it kills me that Topre just doesn't start offering replacement parts, specifically in this case the RF RGB or even better Novatouch sliders that are MX compatible. It's not like they are clueless that there are many users who customize their Topre boards. Also they could make a killing selling keycaps (look at how much the few colored replacement sets for RFs they have made skyrocketed in price on the secondhand market), sliders, housings, dome sheets, silencing rings, & springs. Thankfully Plum/Niz has started stepping up in those areas, but the quality is not Topre quality with those parts. Leaving harvesting a Novatouch or RF RGB as the best option to get MX compatibility on a Topre board still.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: pradyungn on Thu, 26 September 2019, 11:58:06
This sentiment has probably been echoed quite a bit, but the fact is that topre is an extremely niche market where every keyboard is pretty expensive. At that price, many people choose to opt for something like a DIY kit instead, which is what I'm doing, purely for the keycaps (GMK amirite. Either way, if you're willing to pay the money novatouch sliders are pretty good, and even though you won't get the original feel of the switches, the sliders allow you to put in mx kecyaps, which is especially useful for the artisan keys. If you just want a few artisans in the corners or something I know that kbdfans offers some decent sliders for cheap, and you can just cherrypick them.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: lolafineday on Thu, 26 September 2019, 12:27:58
Deskeys are developing a MX compatible topre sliders that will be better than the nova touch. They are working on a lot of topre stuff, fc660c alu case, the sliders, and have already made excellent topre rings

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Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Fri, 27 September 2019, 05:27:09
Deskeys are developing a MX compatible topre sliders that will be better than the nova touch. They are working on a lot of topre stuff, fc660c alu case, the sliders, and have already made excellent topre rings

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New mx sliders? Where did you find that?
What stage is this now?
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: lolafineday on Fri, 27 September 2019, 09:03:44
Deskeys are developing a MX compatible topre sliders that will be better than the nova touch. They are working on a lot of topre stuff, fc660c alu case, the sliders, and have already made excellent topre rings

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New mx sliders? Where did you find that?
What stage is this now?
The case is coming earlier so the slider will take a bit of time still weeks months maybe. But join the deskeys discord for more info

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Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Fri, 27 September 2019, 09:48:55
Deskeys are developing a MX compatible topre sliders that will be better than the nova touch. They are working on a lot of topre stuff, fc660c alu case, the sliders, and have already made excellent topre rings

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New mx sliders? Where did you find that?
What stage is this now?
The case is coming earlier so the slider will take a bit of time still weeks months maybe. But join the deskeys discord for more info

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Cant find them on discord:(
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 30 September 2019, 12:09:47
I wish Realforce and PFU still made their blank sets.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: eyesmiles on Mon, 30 September 2019, 19:00:54
Realforce R2&R2TL 호환 Color 포인트 키캡 Set (https://www.leopold.co.kr/Shop/Item.php?ItId=1550022067)

I haven't seen this posted anywhere so Realforce colored modifier sets for the R2. The first of its kind from Realforce to have 1.25u modifiers that are not the standard black or grey as the original Realforce color sets were all 1.5u. Hooray for swapping modifiers for the 660C and 980C.

This leads me to believe that there is a possibility for official full Realforce sets to continue being produced seeing as how they made modifier sets. The only downside I can see is that the set will end up being for the R2s as opposed to catering to the 87u/108u, HHKB etc with the 6u spacebars. One could hope that possible sets could include both 6.25 and 6u spacebars. We can only dream ...

Ordered 1 of each color to compared to the OG Realforce sets I have on hand
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 30 September 2019, 19:07:10
Realforce R2&R2TL 호환 Color 포인트 키캡 Set (https://www.leopold.co.kr/Shop/Item.php?ItId=1550022067)

I haven't seen this posted anywhere so Realforce colored modifier sets for the R2. The first of its kind from Realforce to have 1.25u modifiers that are not the standard black or grey as the original Realforce color sets were all 1.5u. Hooray for swapping modifiers for the 660C and 980C.

This leads me to believe that there is a possibility for official full Realforce sets to continue being produced seeing as how they made modifier sets. The only downside I can see is that the set will end up being for the R2s as opposed to catering to the 87u/108u, HHKB etc with the 6u spacebars. One could hope that possible sets could include both 6.25 and 6u spacebars. We can only dream ...

Ordered 1 of each color to compared to the OG Realforce sets I have on hand

Oh, that's very neat! Given the R1 Realforce has retired however,... yeah, I wonder if they'd support 1.5u mods and spacebars. Although the HHKB does have 1.5u mods it could use...
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: rowdy on Sun, 06 October 2019, 21:13:50
There are one or two replacement Topre sets, but generally there are few options, and the official coloured sets have not been in production for years.

Someone tried to make a full custom set (Matt3o?) a while back, but MOQ wasn't met and the idea died.

A lot of people with Topre keyboards like the standard PBT keycaps too much.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: ArchDill on Sun, 06 October 2019, 21:42:29
I frequent HHKB's and I have to say, my favorite set is the 9009 PBT with the JP subs. It may be my favorite set of all time.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Fri, 11 October 2019, 04:44:29
Where could I find those mod caps?

(https://i.imgur.com/vkNFPxe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/w9GybB6.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 11 October 2019, 06:25:13
Where could I find those mod caps?

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(https://i.imgur.com/w9GybB6.jpg)


Where could I find those mod caps?

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They're OEM Realforce keyset modifiers....

So the yellow one is from a full set of yellow printed caps, the orange one from another set, and so on. So I have three full sets of caps and only grabbed modifiers from each to achieve the look. A bit overkill.

Unfortunately I don't really think Topre, Realforce, or Leopold make any of these anymore. You can definitely still find them secondhand but it may take a while.

For a while, Elitekeyboard used to sell small modifier kits in different colors so there may also be cases where people might have spare keys flying around. Elitekeyboard has been defunct though and those had also been out of stock for a while too.

If you wanted the same look, right now and quickly, you could consider asking a Topre artisan keycap maker to make you a set of blanks made out of resin.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Fri, 11 October 2019, 07:42:32
Where could I find those mod caps?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vkNFPxe.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/w9GybB6.jpg)


Where could I find those mod caps?

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vkNFPxe.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/w9GybB6.jpg)


They're OEM Realforce keyset modifiers....

So the yellow one is from a full set of yellow printed caps, the orange one from another set, and so on. So I have three full sets of caps and only grabbed modifiers from each to achieve the look. A bit overkill.

Unfortunately I don't really think Topre, Realforce, or Leopold make any of these anymore. You can definitely still find them secondhand but it may take a while.

For a while, Elitekeyboard used to sell small modifier kits in different colors so there may also be cases where people might have spare keys flying around. Elitekeyboard has been defunct though and those had also been out of stock for a while too.

If you wanted the same look, right now and quickly, you could consider asking a Topre artisan keycap maker to make you a set of blanks made out of resin.

Thanks, I had a feeling its gonna be super hard to find those.
Back to my plain RF :)
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: purpletiesto on Wed, 11 December 2019, 15:29:17
Not *that* hard to find. This is my 87U

(http://i.imgur.com/DMYUb4er.jpg)
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Thu, 12 December 2019, 03:04:08
Not *that* hard to find. This is my 87U

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(http://i.imgur.com/DMYUb4er.jpg)


I had those, they do not match Topre profile, a bit different angles etc - not real Topre caps.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: purpletiesto on Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:05:36
So you had the same 4 sets of topre key caps that I do? I highly doubt that.

But anyway not q quite sure what you mean by they're not real, but they're the exact same profile as my realforce ones =) just compared.

If you want caps made and/or marketed by pfu, they make some coloured and blanks, but that's about it, which is more than a lot of other actual keyboard manufacturers. Most caps are done by speciality aftermarket joints which in sure you are aware of, just like mine and most cherry caps.

Why not just replace your stems with cherry compatible ones and put cherry caps on if you aren't happy with the current topre offerings?
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: phinix on Sat, 14 December 2019, 05:39:36
So you had the same 4 sets of topre key caps that I do? I highly doubt that.

But anyway not q quite sure what you mean by they're not real, but they're the exact same profile as my realforce ones =) just compared.

If you want caps made and/or marketed by pfu, they make some coloured and blanks, but that's about it, which is more than a lot of other actual keyboard manufacturers. Most caps are done by speciality aftermarket joints which in sure you are aware of, just like mine and most cherry caps.

Why not just replace your stems with cherry compatible ones and put cherry caps on if you aren't happy with the current topre offerings?

I had those space invaders and pixel alphas. They did not match original profile on hhkb or rf. As far as I remember they were lower or something.
Regarding mx stems etc, google my nick name and you will see what I do with topre boards...
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Hyde on Sat, 21 December 2019, 23:31:43
I've had the 9009 set from KBDFans, while it's not bad but it does not match the same feel as OEM Topre keycaps.  The 9009 set also wobbles more since they are taller and the stem isn't as fitted.

I was hoping Topre would at least just sell the regular beige and black set kind of like how HHKB is selling their regular black and grey set of keycaps.  That why they don't need to invest in anything to make "new" products also I'm pretty sure some of the existing owners would like to have replacement sets from time to time.  For me I was hoping to find a black set for my Type Heaven.

Unfortunately I don't think this is gonna happen.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Riverman on Tue, 31 December 2019, 15:54:08
I also have the KBDFans 9009 set.  I currently have it on my Type Heaven at work, which also has their silencing rings on it.  Considering how good the original keycaps are on every Topre keyboard except for the Type Heaven (and even those are extremely good for lasered ABS keycaps), I can see why there isn't much of a market for aftermarket keycaps.  I really like the 9009s on my Type Heaven, but they're not perfect, and they would seem like a step down if I put them on my off-white Realforce.  I checked KBDFans's website the other day, and it looks like most of their 9009 Topre keycaps are currently sold out.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: shadowku on Thu, 16 January 2020, 12:45:59
KBD released a new set earlier this week. It only comes in a comprehensive set right now but that works for me because I need it for my FC980C (black and black stock caps doesn't work well for my wife).

When I asked KBD, they said it's a group-buy but yet I've received a tracking number and the package is moving. Will review when it's here.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Riverman on Tue, 21 January 2020, 13:22:20
I like that new set (2020 EC Keycaps)!  I may have to get a set since any Topre keycaps are so rare.

Edit: I ordered the 2020 keycaps this weekend.  I'm hoping they fixed the issues that the 9009 ones had with some keycaps being slightly rotated.  I sprung for DHL shipping, so they ought to be here in far less than a month.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: dlwmacgregor on Mon, 27 January 2020, 17:06:17
I have been using a Kensington K64407US Pro Fit USB/PS2 Washable Keyboard for about 10 years and the letters wear out on the most used keys, which are Topre.
I have asked if they have replacement key caps and they say "no".
I don't want to have to buy another keyboard for $40 every 4-5 years for just a few keys.
So I am looking for key stickers.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: outerspace on Sat, 22 February 2020, 12:10:51
KBDFans is also working on a HiPro set (https://kbdfans.com/blogs/news/ec-hipro-keycaps). It is something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: eminarcissus on Sun, 23 February 2020, 02:17:31
Iíve finally created myself a full set of wooden Topre key sets of DSA profile Keycaps, really love it XD
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Hyde on Mon, 24 February 2020, 21:12:22
I like that new set (2020 EC Keycaps)!  I may have to get a set since any Topre keycaps are so rare.

Edit: I ordered the 2020 keycaps this weekend.  I'm hoping they fixed the issues that the 9009 ones had with some keycaps being slightly rotated.  I sprung for DHL shipping, so they ought to be here in far less than a month.

I had the 9009 set, the rotation didn't bother me.  But the profile is actually slightly taller and thinner than OEM keys, also the stem doesn't fit perfectly so there's wobble to keys.

If they fixed it for 2020 I'd be interested again but I highly doubt they'd invest in the tooling again to make any changes.

Iíve finally created myself a full set of wooden Topre key sets of DSA profile Keycaps, really love it XD


Damn this looks great!  Topre stems?
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: eminarcissus on Tue, 25 February 2020, 10:59:42
I like that new set (2020 EC Keycaps)!  I may have to get a set since any Topre keycaps are so rare.

Edit: I ordered the 2020 keycaps this weekend.  I'm hoping they fixed the issues that the 9009 ones had with some keycaps being slightly rotated.  I sprung for DHL shipping, so they ought to be here in far less than a month.

I had the 9009 set, the rotation didn't bother me.  But the profile is actually slightly taller and thinner than OEM keys, also the stem doesn't fit perfectly so there's wobble to keys.

If they fixed it for 2020 I'd be interested again but I highly doubt they'd invest in the tooling again to make any changes.

Iíve finally created myself a full set of wooden Topre key sets of DSA profile Keycaps, really love it XD


Damn this looks great!  Topre stems?

Yes, I did some caliper and created a stem model which works but not hold exactly as good as the original stem(because the stem is 3d printed), but it holds ok unless I purposely pull it.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: absyrd on Fri, 06 March 2020, 14:44:06
I like that new set (2020 EC Keycaps)!  I may have to get a set since any Topre keycaps are so rare.

Edit: I ordered the 2020 keycaps this weekend.  I'm hoping they fixed the issues that the 9009 ones had with some keycaps being slightly rotated.  I sprung for DHL shipping, so they ought to be here in far less than a month.

I had the 9009 set, the rotation didn't bother me.  But the profile is actually slightly taller and thinner than OEM keys, also the stem doesn't fit perfectly so there's wobble to keys.

If they fixed it for 2020 I'd be interested again but I highly doubt they'd invest in the tooling again to make any changes.

Iíve finally created myself a full set of wooden Topre key sets of DSA profile Keycaps, really love it XD


Damn this looks great!  Topre stems?

Yes, I did some caliper and created a stem model which works but not hold exactly as good as the original stem(because the stem is 3d printed), but it holds ok unless I purposely pull it.


That is still pretty freaking cool. Nice job. Not my style, but I still appreciate the work and thought.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: btctopre on Thu, 02 April 2020, 19:54:54
archisite is carrying colored realforce r2 sets for ~$110/ea now- https://item.rakuten.co.jp/archisite/c/0000000659/

assuming there's color consistency across the jp/us sets (old jis sets were noticeably lighter than the ansi), pretty easy to buy both and make hhkb sets.
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: Belfong on Thu, 02 April 2020, 20:21:16
They still don't make the blank colored sets, do they?
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: walie on Fri, 03 April 2020, 00:46:35
KBDFans is also prototyping some Hipro caps
Title: Re: Topre keycaps
Post by: styx_mka on Tue, 07 April 2020, 19:37:48
You can check this website: https://kprepublic.com/search?type=product&q=topre
They have couple sets of Topre keycaps made for HHKB layout, but you may also put on other topre keyboard.