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Title: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / ETA set!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 November 2019, 17:27:54
[IC] SKB2


LATEST PICTURE

(https://i.imgur.com/FHZCAaa.jpg)

LATEST UPDATES

- RAL1013 photos (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2889339#msg2889339)
- vote results (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2889331#msg2889331)
- stainless steel photos (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2886767#msg2886767)
- more photos (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2886443#msg2886443)
- beige vote (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2886437#msg2886437)
- SKB2-75 + Nautilus (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2880417#msg2880417)
- SKB2-65 + Taro R2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2879741#msg2879741)


Hi, I'm Plastikschnittstelle and some of you may know me from my recent SKB GB. Designing bent sheet metal parts is something I really enjoy and after the design of SKB1 was done, I couldn't stop thinking about improvements, variations and developing it further. I don't want to write a lot about the concept and design choices, since the core idea is mostly unchanged compared to SKB1 (see IC (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92403.0) and GB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0)).

Like with SKB1, my intension is still to offer a more affordable alternative to all the awesome but also expensive cnc aluminum cases. Utilizing an alternative production method but still offering the feeling and features we expect from a solid, top-mounted, cnc case.

So here is the interest check for SKB2 (the name might change, it's just a working title for now). It is a steel case made of bent sheet metal parts. The angle is still adjustable, though the mechanism has changed. Gasket mounted plates have become a big thing and I think for a good reason. With SKB1 it was already possible to accommodate a dampened mounting of the plate. The SKB2 design more consequently integrates this idea, the plate is now mounted with grommets to isolate it from the case. Screws are still punching through the top. I still like the exposed screw heads, even with a light colored case, I consider it an honest and straight forward approach. It may look very similar to SKB1 but it was not just a matter of switching materials. It's quite different, though it may not be obvious.

The powder coating finish will allow for a wide choice of colors. I plan two, maybe more options, depending on the interest four color options (beige, gray, black and yellow). Like SKB1, many versions and sizes are possible, again depending on the interest, even TKL and bigger is a possibility this time. I'd like to offer PCBs as well, I'll work out something, open for suggestions. PCBs from Maartenwut will be available to add.

For the plate (also steel) I'm experimenting with a new kind of finish. SKB1's plate was "brüniert" (still not sure what the correct translation is). I still want the plate to be matte black to not be reflective and not look bling-bling. Compared to "brünieren" the treatment now has a deeper black and is more resistant and durable. Plate looks a bit smudgy on the pictures due to the lube from the switches (gixies). Tried relief cuts in this plate, will test more with that.

Since this type of case is something new, there is not really a reference. That's why I plan on sending the next prototypes to independent reviewers. Planned after I'm done with building some prototypes from the 3rd batch and good pictures are taken.

Details

Sizes & versions

Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see) Sizes and versions are final:
Here is an overview of all sizes and versions:
(https://i.imgur.com/EXuR27F.jpg)

PCBs

You will have the option to add PCBs designed by Maartenwut:

Here you can see the layouts that the PCBs supports (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2877970#msg2877970).

Coatings & colors

Two different kind of coatings/finishes will be offered. Powder coating for the steel cases and a stainless steel version which gets bead blasted and nickel coated. In the beginning the only powder coating color I knew I wanted to offer was beige in order to fit OG classic beige cherry keycaps. After a few more colors were discussed, I settled on four different colors for powder coating (beige, gray, black and yellow). The specific RAL color that will be used as beige is jet to be decided, a google form for voting will follow.
For more details on the powder coating and stainless steel option, please read the various posts regarding this, scattered throughout the thread. The update section at the end of this start post should help you find important posts quickly.

More

1st prototype

For the first prototype I wanted the color to match classic beige as close as possible. Powder coating colors are RAL and after comparing non-yellowed caps to the sample colors of my RAL book I decided for RAL9001. As it turned out it matches the alpha base color of GMK carbon better that that of classic beige. I'll try RAL9002 next (update: already done with the 2nd prototype batch, in the upcoming 3rd batch I'm trying RAL1013). Something that fits classic beige is something I personally want. Open for suggestions regarding further color options, I think some dark grey would be nice but it could vey well be something popping (update: colors already decided).

Here are the pictures, all at 12° angle:

(https://i.imgur.com/Z7IX3az.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8gt6K5z.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/c7BeMaC.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/fIkZOyC.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/qAAJjrU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/oESV6H1.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/7OtIpFu.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/yaCdJEj.jpg)


2nd prototype batch

Here are some pictures of the 2nd prototype batch, including a different RAL color for beige, gray to fit dolch and stainless steel was introduced (more pictures of them can be found in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)):

(https://i.imgur.com/oNELMN1.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/fceQFCS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/IJmnorq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QVTAzew.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bHihsST.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/yJpshGK.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/wRosG4X.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/9YLIxg6.jpg)

1st and 2nd prototypes on the desk

Took some pictures of builds from batch one and two. On a desk. Comparing two different RAL options for beige. Here is the rest of the pictures (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859358#msg2859358):

(https://i.imgur.com/UDOW2BJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/B2MJdz2.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/e8ZphNY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cdlYVKF.jpg)

3nd prototype batch

Latest Prototypes. This is just the first build from this batch, more will follow. Here are more pictures of this wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661).

(https://i.imgur.com/WIPtxQA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0YfiLHD.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Zlc8tRG.jpg)

Renderings

Here are some renderings. More can be found throughout the thread. Also linked in the update section below:

(https://i.imgur.com/hE0sfJw.png) (https://i.imgur.com/XCIuZes.png) (https://i.imgur.com/IzQ4XTx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/DIzC0pk.png) (https://i.imgur.com/QtKOlPh.png) (https://i.imgur.com/JN1hBO8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/vL8uRW8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/pbVXtQo.png) (https://i.imgur.com/i0TnjvL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/YXtIVwx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bQk9mcY.png) (https://i.imgur.com/TLJdeGG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/G4srRyp.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)

In the beginning a lot of color option were on the table. Here are some older renderings that show different sizes in various RAL colors that were discussed (more throughout the thread):

More
(https://i.imgur.com/I8LXWdz.png) (https://i.imgur.com/eNKROZc.png) (https://i.imgur.com/x58b8Ky.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H87wluS.png) (https://i.imgur.com/8risYhs.png) (https://i.imgur.com/IuIotfr.png) (https://i.imgur.com/wRoTXVI.png) (https://i.imgur.com/mw3B2tG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/llLserK.png)

Typing demo


Posted here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578).




If you are interested, please fill out the IC form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfn-Xvx3s6VaJ8us0zW3W7VNLUe0Acsk75TxayuBCuag1xH-g/viewform?usp=sf_link)


Early Bird
If you want to help finance the next round of prototypes and get SKB2 for a lower price, compared to GB later, you can do so by filling out this early bird form:
- was open from 2019/11/22 to 2019/11/22
- was open from 2020/01/19 to 2020/01/20
- was open from 2020/03/16 to 2020/03/17
- currently closed

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)




Updates:
Todo:

FAQ:

Q: What is included?
A: The case, the plate and accessories like nuts.

Q: What about the PCBs?
A: For every case a PCB will be available to add. Almost all are designed by Maartenwut, they run QMK, have VIA support and come with USB type C. Scroll up to find more details here in the start post.

Q: RGB?
A: Please leave!

Q: Boardwalk PCB?
A: The Boardwalk PCB is the only one you'll have to get elsewhere. It's sold via MKUltra. Ask Silentreader for a Euro proxy.

Q: YAS62 PCB?
A: I have exactly eight left from my last GB. They are the only reason a SKB2 YAS version will be made. There will be not more than eight (Except you already have the PCB and just want the case).

Q: Hotswap?
A: No, Maarten's PCBs don't support hot swap.

Q: Can I use another PCB?
A: Yes, if you prefer a different PCB (maybe because of hot swap capability) you can do so. SKB2 is a top mount construction, so you don't need to care about screw hole compatibility. Just make sure the USB port is at the correct position.

Q: How much will it cost?
A: Prices are not set jet. Too many variables. Rough estimate is that the smallest 40% will land slightly under 100€ and the biggest 95% version will be around 150€. That's without the PCB and Shipping.

Q: What colors will be offered?
A: Four colors and one Stainless Steel version. The colors are beige (RAL...), grey (RAL7039), black (RAL9005) and yellow (RAL1023). Three RAL colors for beige are in discussion, we'll decide soon via google form.

Q: Powder coating, what is that?
A: It's a durable type of technical coating. It's like baked into the metal. Google it!

Q: Which sizes and versions will be available?
A: Scroll a bit up please, it's all in this start post. Picture!

Q: Only this Geekhack IC thread? Am I missing something? Discord, Instagram, anything else?
A: Yes, for now everything happens here and nowhere else. Once the GroupBuy starts, I'll have a discord server ready.

Q: Discord?
A: Yes, see previous answer. I'll have a discord server ready when the GroupBuy starts, not just jet.

Q: Will you offer plates made of other materials than steel?
A: The only other option I'm currently checking out is brass. I'll be able to tell soon. Noting else apart from that.

Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Q: When will the GroupBuy finally start?
A: Check out the todo section above. ETA roughly two weeks from now.

Q: How can I help?
A: Use the banner in your signature or show your support with a post to let me know you like it. That makes me happy.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: fcoury on Sun, 03 November 2019, 17:29:22
Not picking up first round was one of the worst regrets I had on the hobby. So goes without saying that I wholeheartedly support this! 😊
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Jhambone9160 on Sun, 03 November 2019, 17:48:13
I did not like bent steel cases until I saw this post. Wow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: SteffeMK on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:10:52
I joined the first round and I am super happy with how the cases turned out. If you add TKL as an option this time around it's a instabuy for me.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:12:52
I like it, perhaps not on white but maybe a dark grey or dark blue.
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?
What are the rear feet made of ?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: mydens on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:23:29
Why not use sunken rivets so its flush with the board? Nice idea but the rivets is throwing me off....they're too prominent imo.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:37:58
Why not use sunken rivets so its flush with the board? Nice idea but the rivets is throwing me off....they're too prominent imo.

yes, I'm celebrating the screws instead of trying to hide them.
"sunken rivets so its flush"
do you mean countersunk screwheads by that? countersunk actually looks bigger although they are flush and since the color is what makes the contrast and them stick out visually, it wouldn't make a difference. my very first SKB1 prototype had countersunk screws, after that I tried those you see here and I never wanted to go back. if you want it you just have to accept the screws as important part of the design.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: w3bb0 on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:39:53
Will the plates support iso, loving the case design!

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:43:25
I like it, perhaps not on white but maybe a dark grey or dark blue.
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?
What are the rear feet made of ?

rear feet is also a steel part. with this feet (one part) you adjust the angle, you can do so without opening the case (without unscrewing bottom from top part).
mounting sure, I'll make some illustrations from CAD and show them tomorrow, now it's too late here, almost two hours after midnight, gotta go to sleep.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:47:10
Will the plates support iso, loving the case design!

of course. how many different layouts will be decided based on interest. for SKB1 there were quite a few different plates available, all were ANSI/ISO unified (except the orthos of course  ;D) hope it won't be much different this time. though having ANSI and ISO not unified but be able to offer seperate plates would be awesome - but for that to happen, the interest would have to be quite high.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: w3bb0 on Sun, 03 November 2019, 18:49:58
Will the plates support iso, loving the case design!

of course. how many different layouts will be decided based on interest. for SKB1 there were quite a few different plates available, all were ANSI/ISO unified (except the orthos of course  ;D) hope it won't be much different this time. though having ANSI and ISO not unified but be able to offer seperate plates would be awesome - but for that to happen, the interest would have to be quite high.
That sounds awesome, looking forward to this!

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: turnstyle on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:14:43
Having participated in round 1 with a SKB65/75/YAS definitely in again for another 75%, absolutely love the boards.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Rayndalf on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:29:35
Will Boardwalk Support return?
Rubber 'gaskets' on the standoffs could be a nice gimmick.
Edit: I'm dumb and read nothing... thats already the new feature this round :-[
Why not use sunken rivets so its flush with the board? Nice idea but the rivets is throwing me off....they're too prominent imo.

yes, I'm celebrating the screws instead of trying to hide them.
"sunken rivets so its flush"
do you mean countersunk screwheads by that? countersunk actually looks bigger although they are flush and since the color is what makes the contrast and them stick out visually, it wouldn't make a difference. my very first SKB1 prototype had countersunk screws, after that I tried those you see here and I never wanted to go back. if you want it you just have to accept the screws as important part of the design.

[attachimg=1]

Screws on top are cute, they remind me of the keyboard used in the movie War Games (and other late 70's early 80's designs that prioritized durability and ease of manufacturer over the tooling cost of plastic)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:37:48
I love my SKB, really do. I'll definitely pick up one from this round.

Far as wants go, I'd really like for you to support YAS again (if the changes allow for that, as well as being able to source PCBs and whatnot). I personally am very much into powder/cerakoting, I feel like it's way more versatile and just better than anodisation, so that definitely is a very strong plus for me and I like the idea of a classic beige for the finish a lot. Obviously people are gonna want something like a gunmetal or black, but I'd like to see some wacky colour(s) like neon pink or lime green or something because I feel like it'd clash well with the industrial design of the board.

Very exciting!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: BlueViola on Sun, 03 November 2019, 20:39:11
I like this, and I think the color helps elevate it into something a little more impressive than it would otherwise be.  Just my personal response.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: catamscott on Sun, 03 November 2019, 21:24:33
really loving my skb75 (my current work board) and would 100% grab this too. the only gripe i have with the r1 board is that the finish picks up smudges pretty easily from just touching it or it rubbing against other things, so seeing that you're going with a different manu and finish is awesome (that beige is beautiful, too). also looks like the screws that determine the angle will go in from the back now? that part of building my skb gave me some trouble, so i certainly hope this the case. i'd LOVE to see an skb tkl, but i'll still buy one either way  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Darth WTF on Mon, 04 November 2019, 03:48:37
I think "bluing" is the translation for brünieren you're looking for.

Also the board looks absolutely amazing, I'll keep my eyes peeled for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 04 November 2019, 04:22:30
Maybe some more info on how the plate mounting actually works now? :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: audiosl4ve on Mon, 04 November 2019, 04:26:27
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: qwertypoiu on Mon, 04 November 2019, 06:49:11
Yes, totally in!

From your previous posts it sounded like you won't do another run on the SKB series ... really happy that you develop this further.

I also like that the screws are exposed ... adds to the overall "industrial" design aesthetic. I like the SKB1 cutout above the usb slot ... would be nice if you could carry this "feature" over to the SKB2 :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 06:53:50
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?

Maybe some more info on how the plate mounting actually works now? :)

I made two animated gifs, hope they help:
[attach=1] [attach=2]

the parts that I use to realize the isolation are "Durchgangstüllen". google translate tells me the english word is "grommets":

[attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 06:55:36
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?

made an explosion illustration, this shows the bottom part as well:
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 07:00:51
From your previous posts it sounded like you won't do another run on the SKB series

...SKB in aluminum(+beadblasting+anodizing), that will not happen again. So SKB1 will stay unique.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Mon, 04 November 2019, 07:14:03
The Key Learning experience that was building my SKB75 makes me Think Kind, Lovely ideas about another round of these custom keyboards.

I got plenty of pre-built units in several form factors, but custom? Just Two Keyboards Laying around in my desk, both of them 75%. One guess as to where they came from.

Although... perhaps I'd like to get another form factor in this next round. ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 07:27:30
... I think I got you  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: TheMilkmen on Mon, 04 November 2019, 07:57:24
Im in love with this design, and if its around the same price point as last round, I might get in on this. But I will need a 65% if that is at all possible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:03:42
...looking at the first votes in the IC form, I can already tell you that 65% will be for sure. maybe even a second 65% with blockers, we'll see.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: raphaelf on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:15:23
Man, an alice-like SKB would be awesome! Please consider it :D
You should allow text input to suggest other layouts on "something else".
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:24:37
the versions to vote for in the ic form are just for me to get a rough idea of what might be. later there will be a vote for specific versions.
whatever comes to your mind, just let me know here.
something alice-like is also possible, depends on the interest.
skb2 is now very easy to adapt to various flavors.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: SteffeMK on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:29:49
An Alice version would be pretty interesting

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:34:37
Any probability of a tkl case wk/wkl compatible with h87a/leeku styles pcbs?

Quote
The Key Learning

Lol, maybe?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:37:58
Any probability of a tkl case wk/wkl compatible with h87a/leeku styles pcbs?

that is totally possible. I'm surprised how much want tkl according to the ic form answers. if tkl then it is also not a big deal to offer wk&wkl, just like I offered wk&wkl&hhkb for 60% back in the SKB1-GB.
oh and regarding PCBs , SKB can take almost any pcb you throw at it, just the usb cutout has to be at the right position and the plate should support your desired layout of course. but it is too early to talk about specific plate layouts right now.
afaik all tkl pcbs have the usb at the same position, between alpha and nav block.
I'll make some pics of tkl...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:38:54
I'm very pleased with R1, and now a possible powder coated steel R2 has me excited!

One set of keyboards that's impossible to find an angled metal case for is the OLKB Planck & Preonic. Would buy multiple if that was offered here.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Mon, 04 November 2019, 08:49:03
Any probability of a tkl case wk/wkl compatible with h87a/leeku styles pcbs?

that is totally possible. I'm surprised how much want tkl according to the ic form answers. if tkl then it is also not a big deal to offer wk&wkl, just like I offered wk&wkl&hhkb for 60% back in the SKB1-GB.
oh and regarding PCBs , SKB can take almost any pcb you throw at it, just the usb cutout has to be at the right position and the plate should support your desired layout of course. but it is too early to talk about specific plate layouts right now.
afaik all tkl pcbs have the usb at the same position, between alpha and nav block.
I'll make some pics of tkl...

Nice! Yes, most compatible pcbs have the usb at top or bottom side and right placement.

Here's the TKL Compatibility list for reference: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96123.0
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: online on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:04:31
Looks so good!
Is the bottom case also powder coated?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:07:25
Is the bottom case also powder coated?

yes,
the case itself consists of three parts:
the top, the bottom and the foot/stand.
these three parts are all made of steel and are all powder coated.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:28:33
Absolutely love my SKB75. Would definitely be in for a non-black SKB2 in either TKL or Alice layout!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:33:42
these three parts are all made of steel and are all powder coated.

Speaking of the material of the parts, I assume you are dead set on the plate also being steel? Or would you be open to offering a couple alternate materials without much trouble, eg. CF or POM etc.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:47:50
these three parts are all made of steel and are all powder coated.

Speaking of the material of the parts, I assume you are dead set on the plate also being steel? Or would you be open to offering a couple alternate materials without much trouble, eg. CF or POM etc.

depending on the interest I could maybe consider some other metal like brass - but absolutely no promise here.
CF or POM are materials I have no experience of. this will not happen. but this doesn't rule out a CF or POM or any other material plate because like with SKB1, I'll help everyone who wants his/her custom plate made. I made a lot of custom plate DXF plate files for skb1. I know one has made a CF plate. so although I'll probably not offer it directly, I'll try my best to help anyone realizing a custom plate by providing a DXF file and advice.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 04 November 2019, 09:53:22
depending on the interest I could maybe consider some other metal like brass - but absolutely no promise here.
CF or POM are materials I have no experience of. this will not happen. but this doesn't rule out a CF or POM or any other material plate because like with SKB1, I'll help everyone who wants his/her custom plate made. I made a lot of custom plate DXF plate files for skb1. I know one has made a CF plate. so although I'll probably not offer it directly, I'll try my best to help anyone realizing a custom plate by providing a DXF file and advice.

Completely understandable and I appreciate the sentiment. I have little interest in brass personally, I find steel to be more interesting so if anything I'll try and get a PC or POM plate done later on with the DXF files.

Thanks for the response!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: norb on Mon, 04 November 2019, 11:47:34
just filled the IC form. TKL +90000  :-*

i've followed your first SKB development but wasn't sure if the form factors you offered were for me, but if you offer a TKL i'd be totally in. preferably a nice white or a popping color, but would also take a black one. everything is better than beige  :p though the prototype looks pretty nice, seems to be a very bright beige, nearly white.

also +1 for the black screws on the bright case, compliments the industrial look! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Straw on Mon, 04 November 2019, 12:26:57
Really like the industrial look. do you make them in 40?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 16:06:33
do you make them in 40?

A 40% version? This would make a lot of bezel compared to keyarea. but one could feel the same about this case and 60%. my personal favorite is 60% and that is not because of its size. I like a well sized bezel around my keys, it's like putting them into a pictureframe. 40% in a nice frame - why not. depends on the interest of course. I'll adapt it to 40 and render it, then we can have a look, probably tomorrow.

TKL as well tomorrow, couldn't do it today.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 04 November 2019, 17:16:23
Can you show us a view of the mounting system ?

Maybe some more info on how the plate mounting actually works now? :)

I made two animated gifs, hope they help:
[attach=1] [attach=2]

the parts that work as dampeners/decouplers here are actually "Durchgangstüllen":

[attach=3]

Nice, I like it.

my concerns :

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Mon, 04 November 2019, 17:18:55
+1 for TKL!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 04 November 2019, 17:30:18
Oh, yes please. I'm in for a beige 65% with blockers.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 04 November 2019, 17:44:34
my concerns :
  • rear feet seem a bit aggressive for desktop surface
  • how powder coating resists through time ?
  • I would like screws same color as top (or approaching)

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D

1) rear feet: you're right, that's my concern as well, but I think I'll have a (ruber-feet-like) solution for that with the next prototype
2) powder coating: it's very resistant, it's like baked into the surface of the metal. custom car parts are also powder coated for example, it can endure a lot. it is also a very common and widely used method.
3) screw colors: hm, don't think that can be achieved easily. you can't add any coating or additional layer to a screw, it wouldn't work as a screw anymore. the only coloring of screws that I'm aware of is anodizing of aluminum screws. it's expensive and the silvery look on anodizing probably won't fit the powder coating color. for me the contrasting screws are analogue to the contrast of alpha legends and base.

kesington compatible? is this just about a certain radius cutout? or is there more to it?

bed time now, late in germany, back tomorrow, happy to read more questions and suggestions tomorrow, versions, sizes, colors, hit me ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Mon, 04 November 2019, 18:08:16

For screws colors I'll be ok with black on black, black on dark blue or black on dark grey ;)

Kensington is just about a hole with right dimensions. Found this, can't certify it's accurate

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dQdmVVCC23s/WnK_qywBtxI/AAAAAAAAAdQ/1xrvSfj6PCYZU3apOpv5pUbFCmm3Bo53gCLcBGAs/s1600/KENSINGTON%2BLOCK.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:19:10
I liked the design which allowed different size standoffs to be used. I like my caps to be recessed into the keyboard body. Can you please make a bigger usb port opening on the back so you can allow for different size standoffs?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ilemondrop on Mon, 04 November 2019, 19:41:51
I put 65% with blocker on the IC, but 75% and TKL are welcome too! Also I think the visible screws are cool, I'd like to see some hexagonal screws, good opportunity to slap some aesthetic ass screws on there.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: consumer on Mon, 04 November 2019, 20:57:40
Really hyped for this. Like the industrial look. Agree with having hex screws to go with pop-out look. Rust color?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: consumer on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:04:51
Agree with having hex screws to go with pop-out industrial look. How about a rust colorway?
In anyway, it's an instabuy!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:15:37
registering interest
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: skrunk on Mon, 04 November 2019, 21:36:17
Really nice board! Maybe a navy option would be nice...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Banzai on Mon, 04 November 2019, 22:03:47
Oh man, I still need to build my SKB75 but I think I'd be in to double dip and grab one of these. Really love that beige.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vireca on Tue, 05 November 2019, 03:55:28
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 05 November 2019, 04:19:32
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

and hopefully I won't stop improving on this version as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:50:07
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

you often have that feeling because it's like that for most things you buy
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:52:45
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

Imagine buying a brand new car, and then every year a new one comes out.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Tue, 05 November 2019, 06:57:18
Imagine marrying your wife and every now and then you meet somebody better for you

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:05:18
Imagine having your first child with your wife, and then your second child likes rubber domes
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 05 November 2019, 07:56:19
Imagine building your first 75% custom and then getting to dream about building a similarly-styled TKL.

Should there be an SKB numpad as well? :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Tue, 05 November 2019, 09:18:19
I'm pretty new to the hobby and community, so forgive me if I'm asking something obvious. How does steel feel and sound like compared to aluminum or brass?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Banzai on Tue, 05 November 2019, 10:20:56
tfw you buy the original model and later there is an improved version of it :/

you often have that feeling because it's like that for most things you buy

In fairness to Vireca, that is most certainly not how most things work in this hobby. A lot of purchasing decisions with mechanical keyboard group buys are FOMO driven because usually a GB runs once and then that board is never produced again. Personally I bought an SKB75, and I'm super hyped for the opportunity to buy another one. But I can absolutely understand a person being disappointed in buying something they thought would never be available again only for an improved model to be announced not long after.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: norb on Tue, 05 November 2019, 11:05:42
Imagine having your first child with your wife, and then your second child likes rubber domes

if your kid likes rubber domes, maybe you should have used a rubber dome that one time  :)) :)) :))
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Tue, 05 November 2019, 15:41:39
Wow nice, really interested

- the stand offs should really get a safety mod ;)
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 05 November 2019, 17:08:14
Wow nice, really interested

- the stand offs should really get a safety mod ;)
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet

Yes, I agree. Will you offer different sizes standoffs like with the original SKB? I really like the larger size standoffs because you can sink the caps deeper in the keyboard body
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: TieuNgu on Tue, 05 November 2019, 21:44:26
any plans on making a TKL?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ReDsNoTDeAd on Tue, 05 November 2019, 23:15:40
Looks great Plastik. Let's hope you have better luck than in the SKB1 buy ;) Can't wait for this one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: jrs on Wed, 06 November 2019, 02:43:14
Will there be an Alps plate?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 06 November 2019, 03:05:57
looking very nice! Any pics of bottom of the case?

made an explosion illustration, this shows the bottom part as well:
(Attachment Link)

Would like to join this GB as well and love the idea of a matching case for classic beige color.

A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: kmfmppl on Wed, 06 November 2019, 04:05:16
Got a 75% skb1 and I love it. Using longer standoffs as well to sink the keycaps further, as others have described. Was contemplating giving the case another finish, but now with r2 announced I will probably keep it original.

Wishlist goes like this:


my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D

This could actually be pretty useful for work.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 06 November 2019, 04:28:55
Interested, looks great. 0 degree angle is something you're not interested in making?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Wed, 06 November 2019, 05:25:47
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 06 November 2019, 06:21:46

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D
This could actually be pretty useful for work.

I can not help but to concur with this opinion. That said, it would definitely look odd. :-D

(I'd want to suggest putting a hole on both sides of the top case, but I get the feeling that it wouldn't be for the best - let's all agree to give PlastikSchnittstelle the final say in the matter  :D )
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Wed, 06 November 2019, 08:50:00
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 06 November 2019, 08:52:42
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

Was mentioned somewhere a few posts back that it is not possible to powder coat screws as it obviously messes with the texture and measurements etc. They can be anodised but not sure if there's a plan for that.

I personally like the look of the screws as is, it's a pretty distinctive signature look to the board but looking into counter-sinking them isn't a bad idea - if nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how it changes the look.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:24:30
A few questions:
- is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
- is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
- is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?

Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

Was mentioned somewhere a few posts back that it is not possible to powder coat screws as it obviously messes with the texture and measurements etc. They can be anodised but not sure if there's a plan for that.

I personally like the look of the screws as is, it's a pretty distinctive signature look to the board but looking into counter-sinking them isn't a bad idea - if nothing else, it'd be interesting to see how it changes the look.

I remember counter-sinking the screws was mentioned also in R1, but sourcing the right screws and the details might be complicated.
I seek for consistent looks with not too busy design languages and therefore asked for the matching screw colors again (perhaps I can look for white POM screws), but I totally agree with the industrial look of the SKB keyboards as its design signature.
Still too poor to complete the builds of my SKB75 and SKB60 but everything looks really nice there.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Kavik on Wed, 06 November 2019, 09:48:08
I followed the IC for the original but somehow missed that it ever went to GB. I'm interested in this. I'll read through everything and provide some feedback if I have any later.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 06 November 2019, 10:10:27
I'm currently working on the different versions, TKL, 65wBlockers and some others. Also trying to find some RAL colors that goe well with some accent colors of nice/popular sets. this takes time, maybe I'll have something to show later this day but tomorrow is more likely.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 06 November 2019, 15:56:27
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Wed, 06 November 2019, 16:15:14
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).

I might build this exact render. Looking forward to other potential color choices! Definitely in for a TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 06 November 2019, 17:56:03
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).

I'll take two of those in black. Thank you.  :thumb:

Or one black and the other one in a different color (will review when the definitive list of 'em is available).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:11:59
...and here is a possible 65% version with blockers. angle is at 12 degree. RAL7044, which fits the alpha base color of TA90 very well, also well with the base color of classic beige modifiers aka U9:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

will work on more tomorrow
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:29:37
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Wed, 06 November 2019, 18:46:37
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 06 November 2019, 23:16:28
That 65% version looks great! How much did the first version cost again? And are you planning on supporting the boardwalk again?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Thu, 07 November 2019, 02:54:03
100% in.

Filled the IC form with 65% and beige but other options are welcome as well. Curious what other colors would look like.

I am also curious what a 65% without the bottom left CTRL would look like (HHKB + 65%).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Handke on Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:34:38
In the past I've owned the very nice apple a1243 keyboard.

It would be nice to replicate that look, not necessarily through anodization, but simply with a transparent and protective layer which prevents the oxydation of the aluminium.

Painting aluminium is very complicated and it often ends up with a fragile finish. I wonder how the first released skb cases are doing...

Just to give an example, the first mountain bike frames had fragile coatings, while now the industry has gotten really better, I don't know if the use some primers or if they make a temperature controlled treatmen by heating the frame.

Anyway I've a very big fan of your project, I'm looking for a tkl is keyboard (not decided yet on the wkl or standard bottom row). Anyway, if you could include a pcb along with the case, that would be a nice effort.

Another question, how big is the bezel on the bottom and left side, measured from the keys?

thanks


Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: SteffeMK on Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:43:36
okay, this is what a TKL would look like, RAL is 9002 and GMK set is 9009, obviously:

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

with some more time, I'll get better renderings, this was a bit rushed.
here the angle is set to 10 degree.
65% with blockers will follow (probably tomorrow).
100% getting a TKL, looks so good. Interested in what colors you decide to offer.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 07 November 2019, 03:45:28
:O, tkl would be interesting for sure :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: 3ambutter on Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:22:46
Very interested after seeing how great round 1 turned out. I agree with you completely on 60% being the best looking size. Is there a reason you removed the 2 screws on the side of the board from round 1? Aesthetically I feel like the 2 screws really hammered home the industrial look of the board. Also if you were to do an alice variant, would you be able to bend the steel to fit the curves of the alice or would it just be rectangular with alice layout?

Count me in for one, great job!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 07 November 2019, 05:24:24
I am a simple man:
I see SKB I get wet.

Will it be possible to buy just some parts, and are they (partly) interchangable with v1?
I am mostly hungering for a Fullsize Board...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:22:35
Just to throw in some more ideas as Plastik is rendering more goodies.

More
Possibilities of m3 hex screws:
1. painted with "thermosetting coating material, resistant to abrasion and screw driver damage"
(http://www.stakefastener.com/images/productlink405image.jpg) (http://www.stakefastener.com/color-coated_screws.html)

2. nylon
(https://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g6-M00-21-C0-rBVaSFo8jneAEdzRAAKRvbZCAP4140.jpg/100pcs-lot-white-nylon-m3-4-30mm-screws-5.jpg) (https://www.dhgate.com/product/100pcs-lot-white-nylon-m3-4-30mm-screws-5/408057038.html#seo=WAP)

3. stainless steel
(https://www.dhresource.com/600x600/f2/albu/g9/M00/D6/58/rBVaVVy4UIKAU6v4AAFsLLq1qXs155.jpg) (https://www.dhgate.com/product/steel-screw-50pc-stainless-steel-screws-hex/458011640.html)



I dig the beige color matching idea, and there are some other possible case finishes:
1. "Brushed" and bare
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/shop-by-brand/all-zippo-lighters/zippo-lighter-1935-replica-w-slashes-jm-large.jpg)

2. "Satin" and bare (sandblasted)
(https://www.bladehq.com/imgs/shop-by-brand/all-zippo-lighters/zippo-slim-1605-large.jpg)

3. "Antiqued" and bare
(https://shop.r10s.jp/auc-darumaya/cabinet/img55704034.jpg)



About small cases, I suddenly thought of this PCB offered on a German web store the mini "Alpha Pingmaster"
https://keycapsss.com/keyboard-parts/pcb/84/alpha-pcb-28-key-semi-ortholinear-mechanical-keyboard
(https://i.imgur.com/AgahWSH.jpg) (https://imgur.com/gallery/p2IerU9)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:26:04
- you should allow multi vote on format factor in the sheet

multivote, yes, should have done that. changing the form after starting messes everything up. it is just for me to get a rough idea of where we are heading. much later, after I've made more sizes/versions and have come up with more color options, there will be another form in which all can choose more specifically.

Übrigens, Bernd: Lass dir raten, trinke Spaten ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:27:25
Will you offer different sizes standoffs like with the original SKB? I really like the larger size standoffs because you can sink the caps deeper in the keyboard body

this time I want the spacing between PCB and bottom as minimal as possible in order to get the first keyrow as low as possible. SKB1 was already very low, but there was still enough room for PCBs with hot-swap sockets. in the current prototype a 5mm standoff is used, together with the buffer/dampener/decoupler (really not sure what's the best fitting vocabular here), the overall plate depth is now 8mm. SKB1 you could get a plate depth of 9mm when using the 7mm standoffs. this submerged the caps so deep, when pressing down the two middle rows, the keys would sink completely below the keyboard frame. I think 8mm plate depth is already very deep and I'm not aware of other boards that do that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:29:48
Will there be an Alps plate?

I made some custom alps plates for SKB1 (you really should chheck out the junior ping alps version on DT!). like mentioned before, I'll help anyone who wants a custom plate, alps or other. if we know more certain, what sizes/version will be made, we can check if there are enough alps users who can agree on one alps-plate-layout. if that will be the case, then it can be offered with the GB. too early to say.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:38:06
A few questions:
  • is it possible to get a long stick of rubber feet for the back feet of the bottom like those on RAMA cases? But with the riubber wrapping around the metal edge.
  • is it a lot more expensive to counter-sink the screw holes? (I don’t know if this looks better or not)
  • is it possible to also powerboat the screws to provide a perfect consistent look of beige color for the case with matching screws?
  • Hope you can run this round more smoothly and that it won’t be taking up all your free time.

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:43:40

my wish : add a kensington compatible hole ?  :D
This could actually be pretty useful for work.

I can not help but to concur with this opinion. That said, it would definitely look odd. :-D

(I'd want to suggest putting a hole on both sides of the top case, but I get the feeling that it wouldn't be for the best - let's all agree to give PlastikSchnittstelle the final say in the matter  :D )

this is obviously a feature that only very few would like to see on their board. most wouldn't want to have such a cutout on their board - I don't need to make a google-form for that. but it is a feature that is very simple to implement into this design. so when we know which sizes/versions will be made, then I can check if there is a big enough group that can agree one one size/version and wants that kensington lock/cutout, then I could offer this as special version. too early to say.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:44:36
Interested, looks great. 0 degree angle is something you're not interested in making?

this would completely change the whole design, it would be something else entirely. I did try accomplishing 4 degree (currently 6 degree is the lowest angle) but it wasn't possible without sacrificing too much other important design aspects.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:47:13
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??

yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:49:42
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.

yep, will do so, but need more time, probably a few more days.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 07 November 2019, 07:51:26
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??

yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.

wouldn't such a layout require a different topside plate? (colour me interested, too)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:02:09
In the past I've owned the very nice apple a1243 keyboard.

It would be nice to replicate that look, not necessarily through anodization, but simply with a transparent and protective layer which prevents the oxydation of the aluminium.

Painting aluminium is very complicated and it often ends up with a fragile finish. I wonder how the first released skb cases are doing...

Just to give an example, the first mountain bike frames had fragile coatings, while now the industry has gotten really better, I don't know if the use some primers or if they make a temperature controlled treatmen by heating the frame.

Anyway I've a very big fan of your project, I'm looking for a tkl is keyboard (not decided yet on the wkl or standard bottom row). Anyway, if you could include a pcb along with the case, that would be a nice effort.

Another question, how big is the bezel on the bottom and left side, measured from the keys?

thanks

most of what you say assumes that the case is made of aluminum - it's NOT, please read the title, it says STEEL. anodizing is a process that works exclusively on aluminium, not steel.
powder coating is not like a paint job, it is very different and resistant.
I'm happy you like the project, but if you are looking to get aluminum - no, won't happen, me and aluminum are DONE.

bezel size:
left/right: 12mm each
bottom/top: 16.5mm each
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:06:28
Very interested after seeing how great round 1 turned out. I agree with you completely on 60% being the best looking size. Is there a reason you removed the 2 screws on the side of the board from round 1? Aesthetically I feel like the 2 screws really hammered home the industrial look of the board. Also if you were to do an alice variant, would you be able to bend the steel to fit the curves of the alice or would it just be rectangular with alice layout?

Count me in for one, great job!

I just went with the more traditional mounting style, four mounting points at top and bottom. in terms of feeling there wasn't really any benefit to the two side mounting points. without having them on the sides, the bezel can be smaller there.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:09:37
general info:
as you can see, I just answered a whole lot of question in one go. it will probably often be like that. a few days, I won't answer and will focuse more on other stuff, then answer what came up in one go.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ilezia on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:11:35
First bent steel case that I like the look of. Not sure how well it would work for keyboards but since it's sheet steel have you looked at blackened hot (or cold) rolled steel as a finish? It's often used for architectural furniture like reception desks and for a while I've kinda wanted to see someone try it out for a keyboard. Obviously as it's a live finish so every keyboard would be unique and maybe some people wouldn't like it?

Some images of architectural work:

(https://brandnerdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/20171024_144302_001-265x471.jpg) (https://brandnerdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/IMG_1979-750x471.jpg) (https://brandnerdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/clb-web-460x471.jpg) (https://brandnerdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/IMG_1368-706x471.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:33:20
First bent steel case that I like the look of. Not sure how well it would work for keyboards but since it's sheet steel have you looked at blackened hot (or cold) rolled steel as a finish? It's often used for architectural furniture like reception desks and for a while I've kinda wanted to see someone try it out for a keyboard. Obviously as it's a live finish so every keyboard would be unique and maybe some people wouldn't like it?

Some images of architectural work:

 :eek:
the company that does the surface treatement of the plate will know more about this. I had something else besides powder coating in mind but not that. not sure if I'd still like it in the context of a keyboard, but I'll talk about it with the surface treatement guys next time.

wait, if "blackened" means "brüniert" auf deutsch then this is the surface treatement that the steel plates from the SKB1 GB got. I know that. this time the steel plates will get a similar looking but more resistent finish with deeper black.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ilezia on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:39:17
First bent steel case that I like the look of. Not sure how well it would work for keyboards but since it's sheet steel have you looked at blackened hot (or cold) rolled steel as a finish? It's often used for architectural furniture like reception desks and for a while I've kinda wanted to see someone try it out for a keyboard. Obviously as it's a live finish so every keyboard would be unique and maybe some people wouldn't like it?

Some images of architectural work:

 :eek:
the company that does the surface treatement of the plate will know more about this. I had something else besides powder coating in mind but not that. not sure if I'd still like it in the context of a keyboard, but I'll talk about it with the surface treatement guys next time.

wait, if "blackened" means "brüniert" auf deutsch then this is the surface treatement that the steel plates from the SKB1 GB got. I know that. this time the steel plates will get a similar looking but more resistent finish with deeper black.

Ah, may very well be. Apologies, looking at the photos I made the assumption that they were powder-coated black as well. Didn't read carefully enough! Was it just the plate that got this on SKB1? Or was there a case like this as well?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 08:41:39
Ah, may very well be. Apologies, looking at the photos I made the assumption that they were powder-coated black as well. Didn't read carefully enough! Was it just the plate that got this on SKB1? Or was there a case like this as well?

it was just the plate. the case of SKB1 was made of aluminum, bead blasted and anodized.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Handke on Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:07:32
I'm sorry that you had so many troubles in making an alu case, I just wonder what process are other people using since it is used almost exclusively on all the keyboards that I've seen in these years. Probably the main problem you encountered comes with the bending.

Anyway steel is good, if you use stainless steel, it's even better. What thickness are you going to use? I just wonder how does aluminium sound in comparison. Probably steel is going to sound higher pitched than aluminium.

And remember that even if its inox, it still rusts when it's dirty... So it should be really high quality steel.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 07 November 2019, 09:21:59
I am also wondering what steel Plastik is contemplating on.
I posted some photos on last page about the "brushed", "sandblasted", and "antiqued" finishes of stainless steel Zippo lighters and I think those will match well with some shiny stainless steel hex screws.
If non-stainless steel is used, I think there will be some anti-rust treatment before the powder-coating.
I can also imagine "enamel" finishing like some of the enthusiast racer cars engines and some other industrial machines that needed to be operated, e.g. the steel body of some industrial sewing machines or kitchen mixers. The enamel may chip if dropped or hit by great force but otherwise very durable.

It is like a "Industrial material series" - first aluminium, then steel, etc.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 14:41:55
I'm sorry that you had so many troubles in making an alu case, I just wonder what process are other people using since it is used almost exclusively on all the keyboards that I've seen in these years. Probably the main problem you encountered comes with the bending.
other keyboards? you mean the CNC custom keyboards? every IC/GB carefully explains what kind of material, production method and surface treatment or finish is used, no need to wonder. it is mostly aluminum, cnc, bead blasting and anodizing.
and yes, the combination of bending and aluminum was one of the main issues. that's why on most PC cases that come with an aluminum front you see these huge radiuses. there was more to it, for example sheet metal aluminum comes in different alloys compared to aluminum blocks for CNCing -. not the same result after anodizing.

Anyway steel is good, if you use stainless steel, it's even better. What thickness are you going to use? I just wonder how does aluminium sound in comparison. Probably steel is going to sound higher pitched than aluminium.
when powder coating, you certainly don't use stainless steel, that's a waste of money. the coating protects the steel and prevents it from rusting.
It's 1.5mm thickness. with this thickness the 60% already weights 1.35kg (mentioned in the start post).
imo the sound is influenced by the density of the material and overall mass/weight of the case (and more factors of course). what also plays a major factor is the decoupling/dampened mounting of the plate. I think it sound deeper compared to alu, not any resonating sound due tue the density of the material and even more due to the decoupled mounting of the plate. to me it's immediately, deeply satisfying :)
like mentioned in the start post, I'll send to next prototypes to reviewers who can review/test it - they are in a better position to give you a detailed opinion about sound and more.

And remember that even if its inox, it still rusts when it's dirty... So it should be really high quality steel.
yes, thanks, I do know that. the company that does the powder coating uses a five phase cleaning procedure. intensive and automated cleaning is a standard procedure before the coating. again, you just use standard steel when you powder coat, definitely NOT stainless steel. though there is a huge number of different steels to choose from. I have friends who work in engineering and automotive, so I have ways to figure out what the most suited alloy is.

please, if you you have actually worked with metals in the context of engineering, industrial design or automotive design and you actually know what you are talking about, then good. but otherwise you just cause confusion. no offense, I know you mean it well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 14:45:38
I posted some photos on last page about the "brushed", "sandblasted", and "antiqued" finishes of stainless steel Zippo lighters and I think those will match well with some shiny stainless steel hex screws.
I saw that, and yes, one of those you showed there was already on my mind, OKAAAY!
let's just keep quiet about this and wait ;)

If non-stainless steel is used, I think there will be some anti-rust treatment before the powder-coating.
like described in the post before, that's a standard procedure.

I can also imagine "enamel" finishing like some of the enthusiast racer cars engines and some other industrial machines that needed to be operated, e.g. the steel body of some industrial sewing machines or kitchen mixers. The enamel may chip if dropped or hit by great force but otherwise very durable.
enamel paint is not nearly as resistant as powder coating. powder coating is not some paint job!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 14:48:29
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.

OKAY,
I compared more RAL colors, trying to find a good match for dolch alpha base aka GMK-CC. RAL7021 fits pretty well i think. this will also go well with modern dolch and many other dark sets.
made new renderings, look:
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Thu, 07 November 2019, 15:37:05
OKAY,
I compared more RAL colors, trying to find a good match for dolch alpha base aka GMK-CC. RAL7021 fits pretty well i think. this will also go well with modern dolch and many other dark sets.
made new renderings, look:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Really digging this color over beige, would definitely be in for a TKL in grey or black  :thumb:

Also, just want to say that your attentiveness to this IC has not gone unnoticed. Really appreciate the thought you're putting into responses and the knowledge you're sharing regarding the overall design and manufacturing process - it's great to see the passion behind the product. Thank you for the hard work!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Thu, 07 November 2019, 15:40:45
This is merely just personal preference but upon seeing the TKL renders, I actually think black or grey instead of beige would work better for that form factor.

Agreed, lemme see black with Dolch. mmm hmm.

OKAY,
I compared more RAL colors, trying to find a good match for dolch alpha base aka GMK-CC. RAL7021 fits pretty well i think. this will also go well with modern dolch and many other dark sets.
made new renderings, look:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
(https://i.imgur.com/S2r6X0A.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ZG2047 on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:13:26
RAL 7021 looks like it would match GMK Oblivio V2 very well
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:23:42
yes, it would!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 16:51:46
got an update regarding PCB collaboration:

I talked to maartenwut (https://maartenwut.com/). His PCBs will be available with SKB2. So you will have the option to get a really good QMK powered PCB together with the case. Plain60-C and TA-65 for sure I would say. I'm working on more ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Thu, 07 November 2019, 17:46:12
got an update regarding PCB collaboration:

I talked to maartenwut (https://maartenwut.com/). His PCBs will be available with SKB2. So you will have the option to get a really good QMK powered PCB together with the case. Plain60-C and TA-65 for sure I would say. I'm working on more ;)

A new 75% layout.. Please? Staggered function row and detached nav cluster.  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 07 November 2019, 19:16:17
A new 75% layout.. Please? Staggered function row and detached nav cluster.  ;D

I prefer those over the KBD75 style as well. the style you describe is how 75% is done right. we'll see...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 07 November 2019, 19:47:32
A new 75% layout.. Please? Staggered function row and detached nav cluster.  ;D

I prefer those over the KBD75 style as well. the style you describe is how 75% is done right. we'll see...

Fully agreed. Xeno/Satisfaction is the only correct way to do 75%. Regular ones just look too blocky, they're like oversized 60s and look so condensed.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Thu, 07 November 2019, 20:42:00
got an update regarding PCB collaboration:

I talked to maartenwut (https://maartenwut.com/). His PCBs will be available with SKB2. So you will have the option to get a really good QMK powered PCB together with the case. Plain60-C and TA-65 for sure I would say. I'm working on more ;)

Hiney is very supportive with providing h87a's, and maybe you could be the first alternative case to support the h88's  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Thu, 07 November 2019, 20:44:14
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??

yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.

TXKeyboards.. Not sure though if the maker will make tons of these PCBs
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Fri, 08 November 2019, 01:58:48
How about a 75% but with a staggered function row and dettached nav keys? There's a vendor that sells a pcb with that layout...  ;D

Where can I find said PCB??

yes, where please?!
but also yes, I do prefer such a layout over the KBDfans 75% layout. I'll do renderings and look out for colaboration regarding PCBs.

TXKeyboards.. Not sure though if the maker will make tons of these PCBs
No ISO enter on TX 75, so he won't sell mine !
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 November 2019, 14:33:03
here are more renderings of 65%, RAL7021 and dolch:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 08 November 2019, 14:34:43
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.

question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:10:21
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.

question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?

I like blue.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Rafa_n on Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:14:34
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.

question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?

GMK Bento!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:38:23
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.

Would the TKL be WK or WKL? My vote is for WKL :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 08 November 2019, 15:59:23
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?

As per one of my previous posts, I think taking advantage of powder coating to do some more "out there" colour(s) that are hard to pull off with anodisation would be a nice idea - eg. bright orange, banana yellow, lime green, neon pink, etc. I personally feel they'd look cool with the industrial look of the board too and contrast with the black exposed screws etc.

Most would also probably be a nice match with most "neutral" sets (eg. WOB, BOW, greys, beiges, etc) and because it sorta inverts the dynamic of the case being the "canvas" (eg. black case with GMK Laser or what have you), I think it'd be refreshing to see.

PS: Given the previous round and the design language in general, this might not be something you're into at all which is perfectly understandable, but either way.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: SteffeMK on Fri, 08 November 2019, 16:34:48
Update:
I'm currently preparing the data for making the next prototypes. these will be another 60%, 65% with blockers (as seen in the renderings), TKL and maybe 75%, not sure jet. colors will be RAL9002, RAL7021 and a third one that I don't know jet. will show more renderings when I have the time.

question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?
A navy blue or burgundy color would be nice to see

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Jhambone9160 on Sat, 09 November 2019, 07:24:29
Love the TKL Renders.

A limited edition tempered steel case covered in a clear powder coat would be dope.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: bluesclera on Sat, 09 November 2019, 07:36:03
Since it's stainless steel, how about an polished option with no coating? just raw stainless steel with matching silver nuts. Would buy instantly.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: qwertypoiu on Sat, 09 November 2019, 11:20:33
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 09 November 2019, 11:55:54
Since it's stainless steel, how about an polished option with no coating? just raw stainless steel with matching silver nuts. Would buy instantly.
it‘s not stainless - afaik
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: LoneRegiment on Sat, 09 November 2019, 11:59:30
Since the exposed hardware is such a big part of the design I think it would be worth offering a few different colors of screws to really customize the looks
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 09 November 2019, 12:04:12
@LoneRegiment, I do agree with you.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:11:50
I wonder what the case would like if it is also bent inwards on the bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:33:34
question:
what GMK set would you suggest to make the third RAL color fit for?

As per one of my previous posts, I think taking advantage of powder coating to do some more "out there" colour(s) that are hard to pull off with anodisation would be a nice idea - eg. bright orange, banana yellow, lime green, neon pink, etc. I personally feel they'd look cool with the industrial look of the board too and contrast with the black exposed screws etc.

Most would also probably be a nice match with most "neutral" sets (eg. WOB, BOW, greys, beiges, etc) and because it sorta inverts the dynamic of the case being the "canvas" (eg. black case with GMK Laser or what have you), I think it'd be refreshing to see.

I totally agree!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:40:41
Since it's stainless steel, how about an polished option with no coating? just raw stainless steel with matching silver nuts. Would buy instantly.
it‘s not stainless - afaik

exactly, thanx brot!
read here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831276#msg2831276

polishing is for sure not an option, sorry but this would push the price into a much higher region. I don't want that.

a stainlees steel version without powder coating was mentioned before, it was on my mind already. I think of stainless steel sandblasted or bead blasted, not sure what is the better choice there. I'll talk to the company that does the surface treatment for the plates (different company than the one that does the powder coating), they do this stuff as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:46:19
Since the exposed hardware is such a big part of the design I think it would be worth offering a few different colors of screws to really customize the looks

@LoneRegiment, I do agree with you.

colored screws, please read this:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:48:07
I wonder what the case would like if it is also bent inwards on the bottom.

in theory that would be nice, practically that's not possible.
bending u-profiles generally is possible, but not like this. if you are familiar with bending sheet metal and how the process and machines/tools work, you would know why.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 13:51:32
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 09 November 2019, 14:07:40
Would the TKL be WK or WKL? My vote is for WKL :)

that's the same situation like with 60%. when I decide to make the size, then it is pretty simple for me to offer the top part with different cutouts, in other words standard/WKL/HHKB etc.
so TKL would will be WK&WKL.
:)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 09 November 2019, 16:02:07
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 09 November 2019, 19:43:17
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Sat, 09 November 2019, 19:48:21
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Sat, 09 November 2019, 20:20:52
More
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.

I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !

This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 09 November 2019, 20:34:33
More
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.

I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !

This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)

+1 I like it. Making it matte is even better imo.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 09 November 2019, 20:48:46
More
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.

I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !

This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)

Yes, looks like someone spray painted a plastic chair with rattle can paint in cold weather while it was raining.

Just to be clear, it looks bad.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: online on Sun, 10 November 2019, 06:45:34
Noticed the board is sitting on feet. Unlike the OG SKB, which sits on the bottom case.
Any wobble on the prototype case?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 07:05:58
More
I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.

I really like the "Aperture" powder-coat finish from Norbauer's Heavy 6 series https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414 (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414) ... it might match very well with the industrial design aesthetic of the SKB?!

What do you guys think?

no hammerschlag surface.
can't have too many different surface options, would make the whole GB unmanagable for me, sorry.

Wow, there are so many hammerschlag finishes I just found: red, gold, bluish grey, etc.
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-thermosetting-hammertone-powder-coating-60205407325.html)
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html (https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electrostatic-spray-antique-golden-hammer-tone-finish-powder-coating-1051185040.html)

May as well pick just one Hammerschlag finish to replace the boring straight black or straight grey finish.

Some of us like boring gray and black, and that finish just looks like a bad paint job.
Couldn't agree more !

This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)

imo hammerschlag fits old machines made of cast iron. the norbauer case you linked holds some resemblence to those heavy old machinery. so the hammerschlag finish fits there. with sheetmetal it's different, I don't think if would be good fit. also generally i think hammerschlag and its pattern does not scale well with a smaller object like a keyboard. big machinery and larger surfaces is where I would see it making more sense.

so like I said before, not an option here, but I appreciate you reseraching it and the suggestion in genaral.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 07:07:05
Noticed the board is sitting on feet. Unlike the OG SKB, which sits on the bottom case.
Any wobble on the prototype case?

ZERO wobble.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Sun, 10 November 2019, 07:14:17
... ...
This looks like a bad paint job? Okay...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/heavy-6-_17-of-26_1024x1024.jpg?v=1567995231) (https://shop.norbauer.com/products/heavy-6?variant=8952287887414)

imo hammerschlag fits old machines made of cast iron... those heavy old machinery. so the hammerschlag finish fits there. with sheetmetal it's different, I don't think if would be good fit.
also generally i think hammerschlag ... big machinery and larger surfaces is where I would see it making more sense.


Statement of design taste.
Well thought out!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 07:15:13
Totally agree with your view on the hammerschlag. The scale argument is pretty solid and you could also argue that adding hammerschlag would be like a pleonasm, adding a vintage mechanical heavy duty art direction to something that already says it clearly (steel and screws).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: qwertypoiu on Sun, 10 November 2019, 08:34:08
Totally see the argument against using "hammerschlag" style powder-coat.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:19:31
Has anyone already mentioned a dark green option?
In the spirit of the rama m60 Sage
More
https://external-preview.redd.it/UYS1j_mCyK5m5TA1qexEiNLpvscvZTF2JR0fHFdoMnI.jpg?auto=webp&s=0dd3736fffda55d4ced9bededa6272b49c27a931 (https://external-preview.redd.it/UYS1j_mCyK5m5TA1qexEiNLpvscvZTF2JR0fHFdoMnI.jpg?auto=webp&s=0dd3736fffda55d4ced9bededa6272b49c27a931)
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:24:51
about the powder coating

here are some details about the powder coating that I haven't mentioned jet. you know already, the prototype in the start posts' pictures has RAL9001. you can see that it hase a somewhat grainy structure. this option is called "Feinstruktur" in german.
here are all available options:
- glänzend / glossy
- matt / matte
- Feinstruktur / slightly grainy structure
- Grobstruktur / grainy and rough texture

for the light color which is supposed to fit cherry classic beige (like mentioned in the start post I'll try RAL9002 next, rendered here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830862#msg2830862)) I chose Feinstruktur and I think that is perfect. In the recent renderings I showed RAL7021 (here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831279#msg2831279) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831614#msg2831614)), which goes well with dolch and similar gray themes, Feinstruktur would be a good fit here as well. as third option a more poping/intense color is what many of you would like to see. whatever this will be, glossy is what I think would be nice here. "Grobstruktur", the rougher structure may sound interesting but is more suited for bigger objects and surfaces.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:38:17
Hi PlastikSchnittstelle, do you have any textured sample of the different coatings? Did you simulate it on your renders?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:40:32
Hi PlastikSchnittstelle, do you have any textured sample of the different coatings? Did you simulate it on your renders?

yes, I can show matte and glossy tomorrow :)
in all the renderings I tried simulating Feinstruktur, like the prototype. I just appied a simple bump texture.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:41:22
Sweet! A glossy popping pastel color could be nice
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:43:07
yes, imo that would multiply  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 10:44:17
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 10 November 2019, 11:13:35
Quite interested in "beige" 60% HHKB to match it with GMK Yugo (if the kit will make it). Bent steel case also should be on par with 70-80s Yugo nostalgia vibes.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 12:32:41
yeah, I can see that working, the RAL9002 would't be too far off. I would have considered Yugo if it had R0 & R5, not interested in any kit that doesn't offer R0 & R5.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: hammerbrotha on Sun, 10 November 2019, 14:19:23
TKL Render looks great, i'd be very interested in a TKL version.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 10 November 2019, 15:38:23
I just realized that "decoupled" does not seem to be the right english word. I translated "entkoppelt" to english, that is "decoupled" but it has a different meaning in english. I see that the term "isolation" is used here on GH. That's the correct meaning. I assume eveyone knew what I meant, though to be clear the plate is isolated. This is done with "Durchgangstüllen", other constructions use gaskets. If I use google translate, it tells me that "Durchgangstüllen" are "grommets". So this means that the SKB2s' plate is "grommet-mounted".

...I just corrected that in the title and start post.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: daishan on Sun, 10 November 2019, 16:18:26
I voted for black in the IC, but if a bright neon pink is possible I'd take that in a heart beat. I'm thinking of something like this:
 [attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Adelscott on Sun, 10 November 2019, 16:28:17
I voted for black in the IC, but if a bright neon pink is possible I'd take that in a heart beat. I'm thinking of something like this:
  (Attachment Link)
It's missing a rainbow somewhere. And a licorn, would be perfect.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 10 November 2019, 19:06:11
I voted for black in the IC, but if a bright neon pink is possible I'd take that in a heart beat. I'm thinking of something like this:
  (Attachment Link)
It's missing a rainbow somewhere. And a licorn, would be perfect.
What an exquisite taste, indeed
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 04:44:52
Hi PlastikSchnittstelle, do you have any textured sample of the different coatings? Did you simulate it on your renders?

yes, I can show matte and glossy tomorrow :)
in all the renderings I tried simulating Feinstruktur, like the prototype. I just appied a simple bump texture.

Glossy sample

Here are two pictures of a sample with glossy powder coating. This specific color is out of question, but it demonstrates quite well that glossy and intense color do multiply :)

[attach=1] [attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 05:31:54
Matte sample

Regarding the matte sample, well I actually did the prototype in two different RAL colors. I only showed the one with RAL9001 so far because I just wasn't pleased with the other one. It is RAL9005 matte. I also don't have a cap set that goes well with this, but I'll show it to you anyway now, so you can get an idea of how matte looks like. It's basically deep black, matte. Sorry, light conditions were bad and no flash. ISO value is too high, that's why the black looks noisier than it actually is. Very suboptimal pictures:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 11 November 2019, 05:35:36
Thanks for the samples. Is matte an option you would still considere ?
On the pictures I can see that the matte option is grainy also.Is it like Matte + Feinstruktur ?I'm confused.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 05:40:42
Thanks for the samples. Is matte an option you would still considere ?
On the pictures I can see that the matte option is grainy also.Is it like Matte + Feinstruktur ?I'm confused.

Not entirely sure. Next protos will be RAL9002/Feinstruktur, RAL7021/Feinstruktur a jet undetermined intense RAL color in glossy. I don't see matte making sense.

It is not grainy, it just looks like it because of the high iso value, it is just noise in the picture.
When you google powder coating matte, you can find a lot of examles that might give a better representation than my pictures.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Mon, 11 November 2019, 05:51:25
Got it, thanks. But if Matte is out of question, let's wait for the forthcoming protos.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 11 November 2019, 06:12:55
Would the TKL be WK or WKL? My vote is for WKL :)

that's the same situation like with 60%. when I decide to make the size, then it is pretty simple for me to offer the top part with different cutouts, in other words standard/WKL/HHKB etc.
so TKL would will be WK&WKL.
:)
Would it be possible to order just one instance of a non-standard top cutout?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 06:16:50
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. Only complete cases will be sold, not single parts. Is that what you mean?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Mon, 11 November 2019, 06:22:59
Flashy color suggestions:

I would suggest GMK RO2 if red is a color in your mind - to match many sets with bright red elements, e.g. GMK Demonic, GMK Honeywell, GMK Red Honey, JTK Red Riot, etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/sS8geqB.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 11 November 2019, 06:46:27
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly. Only complete cases will be sold, not single parts. Is that what you mean?
sorry, I was unclear. You said accommodating different blocker styles is not difficult, so I was wondering if I could order a special blocker style (standard 60% but with the bottom left and right 1.25u keys missing) version. Like another variant like hhkb, wkl etc but something that probably only I would order. or is it too much work?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:12:53
Understood.
Just making it isn't much work. Manufacturing only one is just too expensive. Also managing too many orders of custom, low quantity versions is something I will definately want to avoid. Offering a few different sizes and versions plus three color options is already quite a challenge.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:16:31
Interested... But for the grommets.. Maybe have 2 sandwiching the pcb,? But the grommets do wear and tear quite fast (rubber degredation), maybe can include some spares...
Brass material with Matt clear coat?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:20:57
Interested... But for the grommets.. Maybe have 2 sandwiching the pcb,? But the grommets do wear and tear quite fast (rubber degredation), maybe can include some spares...
Brass material with Matt clear coat?

please look at the pictures (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829763#msg2829763). the plate is "sandwiched" by the grommet, two don't make any sense, just look at the pictures. if it wasn't like that it would be wrong to call it "ISOLATION top mount". the PCB isn't mounted in any way, the plate is mounted.

that fact that you use the term "rubber" shows, that you don't...
...sigh, ok, I have tested two different grommet materials. PVC and TPE. both materials have a very long lifetime (depending on the scenario they are used in). I'm leaning towards TPE. this is not just some RUBBER.

in any case, spares will be included.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 11 November 2019, 07:26:28
Understood.
Just making it isn't much work. Manufacturing only one is just too expensive. Also managing too many orders of custom, low quantity versions is something I will definately want to avoid. Offering a few different sizes and versions plus three color options is already quite a challenge.
Understandable. I think I'll just order the regular 65% version you rendered here :)
Or maybe Boardwalk, if it's offered again?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:06:53
Or maybe Boardwalk, if it's offered again?

I still haven't built mine due to the lack of fitting caps. It was quite popular, I have to say. I see this could happen. Maybe even with PCB, I'll contact shensmobile.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:11:04
Sure no worries... Just design per what u think deems fit and I'll just tag along for a purchase when it becomes available. Thanks for explain to a dumb person like me.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:15:16
Sure no worries... Just design per what u think deems fit and I'll just tag along for a purchase when it becomes available. Thanks for explain to a dumb person like me.

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sorry, rinkaan, my answer was a bit rude  :-[
no offense, I myself often post without reading through everything before. I think we all do.
hope my answer can be somewhat entertaining/fun to read  :D
 :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:20:26
No worries.. I'm really not that smart...
But in any case if the whole manufacturing is going thru cold press, maybe other materials can be worth considering since the positive and negative moulds would be largely the same (barring any materials reacting differently during the pressing)..
Was hoping for some materials that tarnishes but doesn't rust... (like aluminum, bronze, brass, and the like)... Kinda like them to age... Beige Is a solid choice too.. Very 1980s (my Era)

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:44:23
the manufacturing does not require any moulds. if it would, the case would be very expensive. here you can see (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-3000/) how the machines look like that are used for sheet metal bending, they are awesome imo.

rust is not an issue. many people somehow got the idea that a non-stainless just disappears into dust after a few years. if it is treated the right way, I mean it sits on your desk, it's not exposed to intense weather conditions, it's not even outside, it's inside, on your desk! it is also not blank but powder coated, it will not rust (probably not in your or your son's lifetime). already discussed here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831276#msg2831276) ;)

the aging, the traces, scratches, all what comes along using an object, yes, I like that as well, it personalizes the object, makes it more yours.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 11 November 2019, 08:59:31
Woah... Nice machines! Guess I'm a tad too old to be thinking about 10ton presses with moulds.. :S
Quite informative! Thanks for the links to the video.
Will wait for the GB to run :) hope other colors and / or other materials are and option... (which reminds me I'm sitting in building a version 2 of a wood case...) prolly shld find a day to make one

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Mon, 11 November 2019, 11:26:42
the manufacturing does not require any moulds. if it would, the case would be very expensive. here you can see (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-3000/) how the machines look like that are used for sheet metal bending, they are awesome imo.

i love that name, WIRTSCHAFTLICHE STANDARDMASCHINE is as german as it can get  ;D well ok, it's more a description than the name of it.
no matter what color you'll choose at the end, i'm in for a glossy intense one. i'll find a fitting keyset for it^^
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 12 November 2019, 03:45:27
Anyone would be interested in a 1800 layout? I sure would be.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 06:39:36
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Tue, 12 November 2019, 06:55:22
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
(Attachment Link)

How about the 75%? Are we still gonna use kbdfan's pcb?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Poesjuh on Tue, 12 November 2019, 07:03:07
65% with macro cluster yes please :P (a la kmini or jer mini).

The downside imo with bigger cases though is that the sound will be more hollow the bigger the footprint becomes.

So the real question imho would be; is there an option that foam for between the pcb and plate could be part of the GB. And/or different plate materials.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 07:08:11
How about the 75%? Are we still gonna use kbdfan's pcb?  ;D

there will be at least one 75% option. will have to check out available PCB options with offset R0 and nav column. maarten does not have such a design.
a variant for the kbd75 pcb would be a possibility as well of course, but two different 75% options isn't necessary imo.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 07:23:24
The downside imo with bigger cases though is that the sound will be more hollow the bigger the footprint becomes.

So the real question imho would be; is there an option that foam for between the pcb and plate could be part of the GB. And/or different plate materials.

the 60% protos showed me that the difference between alu and steel is huge. you can really feel the density of the material. I could understand why some would want to put foam inside his SKB1, alu is very lightweight, it's really an unusual metal. but I don't see the need for that in the SKB2, feels completely different. not just because of the different metal but also because of the isolated plate and the different angle adjustment - higher angles don't create a bigger body volume anymore. but we also want to tune our board to the best possible feeling, so even if foam would have just a small influence, we would do it anyway. offering foam with the gb - I don't see this beeing an option, it would just be too much for me to handle I guess.

only a 1800 prototype can tell us how it feels.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:20:00
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:25:21
How about the 75%? Are we still gonna use kbdfan's pcb?  ;D

there will be at least one 75% option. will have to check out available PCB options with offset R0 and nav column. maarten does not have such a design.
a variant for the kbd75 pcb would be a possibility as well of course, but two different 75% options isn't necessary imo.
As long as a 75 option exists, I'll stay activly focus. I Wouldn't mind getting away from the kbd75 design as mentioned a few days ago (the proper way to do 75, if I recall).
I'm not sure to understand what you mean by with offset R0 and nav column? thx
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:35:21
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: geekit on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:38:19
Just FYI on the Google form, version C & D function rows are wrongly separated, I think?

Should be F4 <break> F5, right?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:41:47
it does not HAVE to be like that but it is usually done with the seperation between F4/F5 and F8/F9, yes. I would say this detail does not matter for this vote. it is just for me to get directions where to steer this.

EDIT:
ok, I quickly added the separation to version D, thanks' for mentioning.

EDIT2:
oh, now I get what you mean regarding version C, yes, that was a mistake. I corrected that as well, thanks again ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:47:23
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)

Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:53:22
SKB2 75% layout

I have put together a simple google form to check what kind of 75% layout you would prefer to see for the SKB2 version.
Probably not all mentioned versions would be possible to realize, but anyway, good to know and multivote is possibel.
So to those who are interested in SKB2 and 75%, please fill out the form:

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)

The F-row in D layout: should be in 4, 4, & 4 cluster I believe?

At least with the 1800, you'll be getting my money again... as long as I have saved up, I hope.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Tue, 12 November 2019, 08:55:37
Will fullsize be an option? Would love to get one if beige is an option. Can use null-src's Filco-compatible PCB: https://null-src.com/store/listings/nkbm-st110r2-pcb/product.php

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:05:35
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.

poll for TKL? are there more layouts than standard/WKL x ANSI/ISO ?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Tue, 12 November 2019, 09:13:34
Would it be possible to do a poll on TKL layouts as well? Wanted to bring up the possibility of the h88 again as they're regularly scheduled for preorder and we could get that sweet F13 action. 1800 format also looks dope btw.

poll for TKL? are there more layouts than standard/WKL x ANSI/ISO ?

Yessirrr. H87 is definitely the standard go-to, but Hineybush has been actively producing the PCBs for the Jane V2 CE which has the F13 key. Link - https://hineybush.com/collections/all-products/products/h88?variant=31083606769766 (https://hineybush.com/collections/all-products/products/h88?variant=31083606769766)

This layout would be an insta insta cop for me.  :cool:

Edit - He also has his PCB model files public and I'd be more than happy to provide a cut file if I'm the only weirdo vying for this option.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: neojonathan on Tue, 12 November 2019, 10:44:04
Missed out on SKB1, but then SKB2 looks more incredible !! Hoping to get into GB soon hehehehe
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:08:03
I like the F13 style TKLs.

PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Tue, 12 November 2019, 11:46:13
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D


Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Mr.Elli0t on Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:02:08
I would love to see a 75% version as an option  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:43:53
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 14:55:14
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.

WKL blockers would depend on the case. with the 75% google-form, I only want to get an idea which PCB might be the best option for most of you. any of the options there, may or may not come with or without WKL blockers. same with ANSI/ISO or different bottom row options. that's not what this form wants to check for. just what PCB might be the most popular to be housed by an SKB2-75.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:06:51
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D

Let's make it hap'n cap'n.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:10:07
+1 for F13 WKL TKL :D

Edit: Also, although I'd definitely prefer TKL over 75%, my ideal 75% layout would be a slightly modified version of option D. Please see my MS Paint modification:

looks like that F13 got popular quite quickly  :D

Let's make it hap'n cap'n.
+++1!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 12 November 2019, 15:51:58
PS: Regarding the 75, my one request would be to allow for winkey blockers on the option(s) chosen if we want them.

WKL blockers would depend on the case. with the 75% google-form, I only want to get an idea which PCB might be the best option for most of you. any of the options there, may or may not come with or without WKL blockers. same with ANSI/ISO or different bottom row options. that's not what this form wants to check for. just what PCB might be the most popular to be housed by an SKB2-75.

Yea makes perfect sense, I just thought I'd mention it regardless of the form because it's something I feel quite strongly about.

Very exciting!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Tue, 12 November 2019, 16:35:03
Good to see that 75% is getting love and traction here  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 19:00:44
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Tue, 12 November 2019, 19:24:22
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Is the layout for D final? I was hoping that the space between Esc and F1 is reduced from .5u to .25u so that there is a .25u space between F12 and F13
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:02:02
final?! nooo, like I said, not even a PCB for this exists. getting it made is not out of question, though. but we need to wait for more votes on 75%. yes, I initially had the 0.25U space between Esc / F1 and F13 as orphan. but then felt sorry for the lonely F13 and grouped it to the F-cluster before it, that's why  Esc / F1 got the 0.5U space. but the other way might be better.
Title: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Tue, 12 November 2019, 20:56:04
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:14:27
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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Not sure if this will answer your question, but I don't use it as an F13 key. I map it as a Print Screen.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 12 November 2019, 22:28:12
May I ask what's so hot with F13? Excuse the ignorance, but I don't understand its use/value.


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jane v2 did it so now everyone wants to do it
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Dystopia on Wed, 13 November 2019, 01:39:54
Is it possible for a 65% with only the small blocker beside the arrowkeys? (No blocker beside the main cluster)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 13 November 2019, 03:31:35
oh that was a short poll! read it yesterday but was planning to reply today. I have a strong preference for the last layout (70%) because it would look aesthetic af with the exposed screws, which like with your prototype in the OP would be symmetrically aligned with the keys. on the bottom with the 7u spacebar and on the top with the spacing between the F keys. aesthetically speaking it's the best choice imo!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hammerbrotha on Wed, 13 November 2019, 21:40:00
SKB2 75% based on votes

OKAY, clear favorite so far for a 75% is version D. a PCB for this versions does not exist so far, afaik. had no time for renderings, this is a simpler visualization, but should be ok for a first impression. the partly blocked nav column was just a quick idea. 12 degree angle. added the new F13, which has so many friends here. case color is RAL9002 again. cap set is from an old IC for an MOD kit that never happened, but will maybe find the time to pick it up again.

(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Is the layout for D final? I was hoping that the space between Esc and F1 is reduced from .5u to .25u so that there is a .25u space between F12 and F13

i'd definitely get a option "D" of a 75%. looks so good.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Shihatsu on Thu, 14 November 2019, 02:03:58
I would kill for option E without the arrows - so basically a 60 with staggered / seperated F-Row, something that seems to be almost nonexistent, which always blows my mind - would be the perfect gaming keyboard, as many games utilies F-Keys AND number keys...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 14 November 2019, 05:50:25
I would kill for option E without the arrows - so basically a 60 with staggered / seperated F-Row, something that seems to be almost nonexistent, which always blows my mind - would be the perfect gaming keyboard, as many games utilies F-Keys AND number keys...
What you said makes a lot of sense, I'd prefer it with the arrows but I would also consider this. Not interested in more traditional 75%s myself.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 14 November 2019, 10:35:27
1800, very few voted for it in the IC form.
but maarten does make 1800 PCBs, so it would be possible. I asked him, we could offer them along a possible SKB2-1800 version.
here you can get an idea of how it would look like:
(Attachment Link)

F YES!! :eek:

Haven't had time yet to go properly trough the thread yet..
look so F'ing dope Plastik! i sincerely love my SKB's and are still making mod's on them :)

I would take the 1800 anyday, and since i already have a 1800 PCB coming from Maarten hehehe

Just please for our patience sanity, don't let this baby grow for 2 years before we can adopt :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 14 November 2019, 20:12:48
Why don't you do Hyper 7 enclosure with the H7 (173%) PCB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94495.0)? That'll be something. I can pilot USS Enterprise with it :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Thu, 14 November 2019, 20:37:23
Why don't you do Hyper 7 enclosure with the H7 (173%) PCB (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94495.0)? That'll be something. I can pilot USS Enterprise with it :)
Asking the important questions.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:35:37
Update, new renderings, colors:

Tried different RAL colors, not easy to find something intense that goes well with not just one particular keycap set. I tried to match RAL colors to GMK colors that are often found in colorful sets. TU2 can be found in lots of sets and RAL6027 fits quite well. I pared it with GMK Honeywell, which does not use exactly TU2 but a similar color. SKB2-75 according to what the 75%-IC-form (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832897#msg2832897) says most of you would like. Again, the right single column nav could also go all the way down, I like it this way. Angle is at 12 degree.
So here is SKB2-75 in RAL6027/Glossy:

[attach=4] [attach=5] [attach=6]

Then I looked for an intense red. RAL3028 should go well with GMK RO1, P3, V1 and RO2 or other reds. Honeywell ist also available with red accents, so I used that again.
Here is SKB3-75 in RAL3028/Glossy:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

Since I didn't like the matte black finish of one of the first prototypes (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832403#msg2832403), I thought I might try glossy black. I think this would be very nice with a lot of sets, any WoB of course, here something that is similar to GMK Demonic. Possible SKB2-65, also 12 degree angle.
SKB2-65 in RAL9005/Glossy:

[attach=7] [attach=8] [attach=9] [attach=10]

Then I redid the TKL versions. Now the function row is offset by only 0.25U like most other custom cases. In the renderings I showed before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831279#msg2831279) it was an offset of 0.5U like OEMs do it. Also demonstrating glossy black, this time with a classic WoB set and CMY modifier. Angle is set to 10 degree.
SKB2-TKL in RAL9005/Glossy:

[attach=11] [attach=12] [attach=13] [attach=14]

Now the TKL in glossy white, should frame any intense color very well, imo. Obviously a BoW set would make very much sense.
SKB2-TKL in RAL9010/Glossy:

[attach=15] [attach=16] [attach=17] [attach=18]

Continued in the next post...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:40:45
...new renderings and colors continued:

A combination I had previously rendered (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830862#msg2830862), RAL9002 in fine structure combined with GMK9009 on a standard 60%. Angle is set to 8 degree.
SKB2-60 in RAL9002/Feinstruktur:

[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

Same for an HHKB version at 10 degree angle.
SKB2-60-HHKB in RAL9002/Feinstruktur:

[attach=4] [attach=5] [attach=6]

What do you think?
Next I need to decide which versions to make as next prototypes and get it done in CAD (almost!). Then decide which colors they will get.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 16 November 2019, 19:59:47
For those of us who don't like glossy stuff will there be matte options?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:02:25
YES, check out the start post, the prototype in the photos!
Also the last two shown rendered versions are also supposed to be "feinstruktur" - it's written there.
There is also a second prototype that was done in matte black, like mentioned above, here again the link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832403#msg2832403).
There is no decision on colors made jet, except for RAL9002-Feuinstruktur. Three color option will probably be the max I can manage. Still just tying stuff out.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: mydens on Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:02:32
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:06:10
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.

clear coat? if raw then stainless A2, sandblasted and uncoated ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: mydens on Sat, 16 November 2019, 20:15:28
+1 untreated steel or clear coated.

clear coat? if raw then stainless A2, sandblasted and uncoated ;)

+1 what he said.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 17 November 2019, 05:54:27
I've been following this IC with a lot of joy. PlastikSchnittstell, you seems to know very well what your talking about, and the method to give us options is very solid. Thanks for sticking to your vision.

Your black glossy renders looks very nice, but subjectively seems to me more semi-gloss that really glossy (I speak from a graphic designer perspective). Which isn’t a bad thing if you don’t want to clean your case every five minutes. I guess we could speak about the glossy levels later on.

Since, I’m more used to Pantone references than RAL, could you tell us if the white is a neutral bright as it seems on the last glossy renders or warmer with a very little hint of yellow as it seemed in the prototypes original pictures? I guess it’s the latest but just want to be sure.
 
Finally about colors: your design choices don’t speak the same langage to me when it comes to the red or blue popping and glossy options. But, hey, I’m already happy with a white and black option, that let your design shines.
Imo, a saturated color would have to be in line with an industrial or Bauhaus/Modernist colors family.
It’s also the reason why stainless steal could be a very strong and uncommon option (but would raise questions on the feel and look of the case, and its way of aging.)

Pardon this long reply, I’m very digging your IC (in the case of a 1800 layout option, I could invest in a 75 and a 1800.)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Leovan_13 on Sun, 17 November 2019, 11:59:39
Will you consider using other materials for the plate? Annodized aluminum would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 17 November 2019, 14:56:09
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 18 November 2019, 00:19:50
This is probably an impossible dream but a color-matched pair of SKB2 & RGBKB Sol 2 (https://www.rgbkb.net/products/sol-2-bent-steel-frame?variant=29519804071997) bent steel cases would make my GMK Oblivion V2 keycaps very happy.

If worse comes to worse, I could always bead-blast the paint off and take both to a local powder coating place. Or just use spray paint.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 18 November 2019, 10:35:20
**** I love the screws with the symmetry of the hhkb. super interested in this awesome project and probably going to build a boardwalk, hhkb or the 70% if it's popular enough to get made.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Mon, 18 November 2019, 17:23:56
I really like how toe RAL6027 color pops but is also muted at the same time. You've got my vote for that color. Side note, I think your images are swapped since the red renders are under the RAL6027 line and the light green renders are under the RAL3028 line.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Insanto on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:41:54
i'm sure the 75% one in white would look nice when paired with the gmk peaches and cream caps

the idea of making a keyboard that would fit 1:1 into an aliens movie set tho.. new but i like it
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: bluesclera on Tue, 19 November 2019, 10:46:35
+2 stainless A2 sandblasted. Awesome, just what i was looking for.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 19 November 2019, 17:24:45
A Black TKL, either matte or glossy, is something I'm watching very closely.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: ZG2047 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 00:53:48
Very nice
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Joebot_9000 on Thu, 21 November 2019, 01:08:29
Would kill to get a matching wristwrest
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:43:54
Your black glossy renders looks very nice, but subjectively seems to me more semi-gloss that really glossy (I speak from a graphic designer perspective).
True, compared to the glossy sample (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832388#msg2832388) the renderings make it look less glossy. It was the best I could deliver in a certain time. At this point I won't spend more time on renderings, just getting the next round of prototypes ready - only then we can see how it really looks.

Since, I’m more used to Pantone references than RAL, could you tell us if the white is a neutral bright as it seems on the last glossy renders or warmer with a very little hint of yellow as it seemed in the prototypes original pictures? I guess it’s the latest but just want to be sure.
Pantone would be nice, but for the powder coating, RAL is my only available option. The white I used for the TKL is RAL9010, it is just slightly warm, overall you would perceive it as neutral. It should fit GMK-WS1 very well, we'll see. Here you can search RAL and Pantone colors and get the corresponding RGB values (https://rgb.to/), which I use in the rendering.
The first prototype, shown in the start post / photos is a different RAL color. That is RAL9001, it is a noticeably warmer tone, the name is "cream". I want this to fit cherry classic beide caps and as it turns out it is a bit too warm for if. So that's why the next protos will also have RAL9002, called "grey white", that should fit classic beige caps better, again, we'll see.
So I'll try a glossy, bright, mostly neutral white (RAL9010) and the more towards beige RAL9002 white, not glossy but fine structure, like in the pictures of the start post.

Finally about colors: your design choices don’t speak the same langage to me when it comes to the red or blue popping and glossy options. But, hey, I’m already happy with a white and black option, that let your design shines.
Imo, a saturated color would have to be in line with an industrial or Bauhaus/Modernist colors family.
It’s also the reason why stainless steal could be a very strong and uncommon option (but would raise questions on the feel and look of the case, and its way of aging.)
more saturated colors? hmm, yes, I think you might be right.
stainless steel - next protos will be interesting :)

Pardon this long reply, I’m very digging your IC (in the case of a 1800 layout option, I could invest in a 75 and a 1800.)
No reason to pardon! I'm thankful for your contribution, it helps.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:44:24
Will you consider using other materials for the plate? Annodized aluminum would be nice.

I'm not a fan of aluminum as plate material.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:44:52
Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.

all M3
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 04:46:19
I really like how toe RAL6027 color pops but is also muted at the same time. You've got my vote for that color. Side note, I think your images are swapped since the red renders are under the RAL6027 line and the light green renders are under the RAL3028 line.

There will be a vote on colors. I'm pretty sure that RAL9002/Feinstruktur (to fit cherry classic beige) is definite, but for further color options, a vote will be. I just don't want the vote to be based on renderings. That's why I want to wait until I can show you more real life examples, then we can vote.
True, images were swapped, I corrected that, thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Thu, 21 November 2019, 05:43:57
Would kill to get a matching wristwrest

Seems like a nice idea but I can't get it:

matching wristwrest = wristwrest made of bent sheet-metal with similar color finish?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:30:52
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:39:09
Pre-GB raffle? I'm all in for RAL9001 HHKB.
Just let us know, when you'll launch that Google form, so everyone would be ready and get equal chances.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Thu, 21 November 2019, 13:58:16
Good plan.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:09:46
sounds good to me. heck i would even throw money at you to get one of the prototypes and pay for another board in the gb itself. if that was a possibility, or are you gonna keep them all/give them to friends?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: pcire on Thu, 21 November 2019, 14:15:00
Love the constants update! Hope to support as an early bird!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:08:06
Just let us know, when you'll launch that Google form, so everyone would be ready and get equal chances.

If I won't be able to do it later today, then tomorrow it will be.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 21 November 2019, 15:08:59
sounds good to me. heck i would even throw money at you to get one of the prototypes and pay for another board in the gb itself. if that was a possibility, or are you gonna keep them all/give them to friends?

good question.
some I'll have to build for testing and take pictures to show you. others should be send out to review. but there might be some left and also I will have more builds that I can use myself. might offer them to sell or raffle later, not sure, we'll see.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 22 November 2019, 01:32:30
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: qwertypoiu on Fri, 22 November 2019, 04:01:15
I am in with prototype funding! Would even fund two if that's a possibility ;)

I'm all up for this, so excited to see this progress!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 05:17:20
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks

yes, when GB starts you will pic whatever size you like. if you'll choose one of the larger sizes and they end up much higher in price, then please be aware that a certain amount might still be necessary to pay. the early bird price advantage should not be more than 20%.

and, yes, just the case, the price for the PCB will then be added.
- 60% PCB option will be the Plain60
- 65% PCB option will be the TA65
- more infos regarding the TKL PCB in december
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 22 November 2019, 06:20:21
So just to confirm - i pay 110€ now and when gb starts i choose a format factor ?

But thats the price for the case ?

What about TKL pcb, that i‘ll pay extra then ?

Thanks

yes, when GB starts you will pic whatever size you like. if you'll choose one of the larger sizes and they end up much higher in price, then please be aware that a certain amount might still be necessary to pay. the early bird price advantage should not be more than 20%.

and, yes, just the case, the price for the PCB will then be added.
- 60% PCB option will be the Plain60
- 65% PCB option will be the TA65
- more infos regarding the TKL PCB in december

Great thanks

But Pcbs will be handled with the GB?


I‘m in :) this is such an interesting project
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:10:51
Wait, Plain60 or Plain60-C? Will the case support USB-C?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:13:11
But Pcbs will be handled with the GB?

yes, pcbs will be available with the case. no need to get it seperately.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 07:17:22
Wait, Plain60 or Plain60-C? Will the case support USB-C?

oh yes, that's an important detial of course :)
the Plain60-C, the USB-C version. that's the one that will be offered along the 60% versions.
but it does not matter, you could put a different 60% PCB into the case, works with all. plug position is usually the same, so it also won't matter if the PCB has USB-mini or USB-C.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 22 November 2019, 08:18:28
oh yes, that's an important detial of course :)
the Plain60-C, the USB-C version. that's the one that will be offered along the 60% versions.
but it does not matter, you could put a different 60% PCB into the case, works with all. plug position is usually the same, so it also won't matter if the PCB has USB-mini or USB-C.

I seem to recall this being addressed in an earlier page but just to be sure - the PCB for the YAS version of the 60% will be an all-new design that you're yet to gather all the details on rather than the old version that was offered with the actual YAS buy years ago (as well as the first version of your SKB) correct?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 08:31:33
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Fri, 22 November 2019, 10:32:28
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

Good to know, YAS is on top of my preference list.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:35:04
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256), just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:45:03
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256), just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)

Let's goooooo
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 22 November 2019, 11:51:02
Done, but why does it need Google authorization?, now I get it: so one could edit the form.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:09:53
in!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 22 November 2019, 12:48:26
Update: Early Bird Form

I have the "earlybird" form ready. More infos here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256), just a few posts earlier.
Hopefully the 15 early birds emerge quickly. I'll close the form when 15 have filled it out, then I can also place the order for the next protos.

Link to the form:
KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)

Done. Happy to support the project and look forward to nabbing another one or two units once the GB opens up!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:24:33
Joined the early bird! Excited for the TKL  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:33:26
Joined the Early Bird, happy to support this project.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 22 November 2019, 13:44:15
Joined the early bird! Excited for the TKL  :eek:
+1 in for TKL

Lets go  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hodgeman on Fri, 22 November 2019, 14:07:54
sad I had to drop out of the first run but very excited to join the second. I need a good wkl 60% in my life ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Fri, 22 November 2019, 15:12:22
Trapped in Fr time zone (nad lost in my job), coudn't join the 15 first. But count on me for the next round.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 22 November 2019, 15:12:39
Update - early birds form closed:

I thought I might check tomorrow. just decided to take a look. already 17, I closed it.
THAT WAS QUICK!
strange - I used a plugin that should send a confirmation email and I should have gotten an email when 15 are reached. I didn't get that email oh I did get it. anyway, very good that we got there this quickly, very happy with the development.
early bird invoices tomorrow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:31:07
Trapped in FR time zone? Plastikschnittstelle is in the same time zone haha!

I'm in! This is my first high-end case! Right now I'm imagining a beige-ish HHKB 60% with MT3 /dev/tty keycaps that I got to experience at the meet-up I went to :D I think it would work well colour-wise! Excited for this!

Will you still guarantee a 15% price advantage if I skip shipping and pick it up in FFM?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:49:29
Trapped in Fr time zone, coudn't join the 15 first. But count on me for the next round.

haha, I've discovered the link on my way home on subway train, but actually made it in the first 15.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 22 November 2019, 16:55:03
Totally missed it playing games :P anyway, would love to see tkl and 75% proto’s. Those are the ones we haven’t seen in previous rounds. Heck, maybe even compact 1800 layouts like cypher and dharma.

And yes would still like to see a different plate material, but then again plate files are available so not that hard to get a different plate made.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: riterdando on Sat, 23 November 2019, 02:08:51
Very interested in this project.
Would love to see 65% or TKL.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: datarama on Sat, 23 November 2019, 06:47:33
These look awesome! There are two colourways I'd be particularly interested in myself: Dark grey and white. Not computer beige, but "actual" white (because white looks *AWESOME* with space cadet caps :) ).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 23 November 2019, 13:20:39
Update - early birds form closed:

I thought I might check tomorrow. just decided to take a look. already 17, I closed it.
THAT WAS QUICK!
strange - I used a plugin that should send a confirmation email and I should have gotten an email when 15 are reached. I didn't get that email oh I did get it. anyway, very good that we got there this quickly, very happy with the development.
early bird invoices tomorrow.

Do you still have a slot open for an early-ish bird? :P
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 23 November 2019, 13:26:10
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Sat, 23 November 2019, 16:31:34
paid the invoice, looking forward to my made-in-germany piece of aesthetic steel!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 24 November 2019, 13:16:16
Invoice paid, now waiting begins.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Franzl on Mon, 25 November 2019, 08:47:22
In for tkl ;)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191125/e76d3d45f694fa7fdc049ec92bcc8dd0.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: whyamihere on Mon, 25 November 2019, 09:26:18
i missed a sale? reeeeeee
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:17:34
In for tkl ;)

jesus christ, a keyboard for (human) centipedes? :eek:
is this real?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Franzl on Mon, 25 November 2019, 11:38:53
is this real?

I don't know. Found the pic a few weeks ago without any description
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Ensaum on Mon, 25 November 2019, 13:08:26
is this real?

I don't know. Found the pic a few weeks ago without any description

It was posted as an emoji keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Dystopia on Tue, 26 November 2019, 01:28:52
Any chance for a more traditional 65 layout that has only the small blocker beside the arrow keys? The current 65 w/ blocker has a rather unique blocker position which may appeal to some, but I don't see how the blocker above the arrow keys serve any purpose considering there's no badge or accent to add to the aesthetics.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: timbaaa on Tue, 26 November 2019, 04:36:31
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?

OP had it stated clearly.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: SpringWind on Tue, 03 December 2019, 09:25:38
I'm very interested in this keyboard, I can hardly wait for the GB will open!
It's really lucky that I was able to find such a nice IC not so long after I decided to challenge this hobby.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: wing1098 on Wed, 04 December 2019, 00:10:17
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?

sad I missed it
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: wgsunrise on Wed, 04 December 2019, 21:43:39
This is so much different than anything else on the market right now.
It was a pity that I missed the first GB. But I will definitely join this one.
75% is my go-to option in this GB but if it doesn't get included eventually then I will settle with a 65%.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Thu, 05 December 2019, 04:06:25
@PlastikSchnittstell, Hi, waiting is part of the sport but could you give us a rough schedule on the next steps (protos?), when it's clear for you? Thx
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 December 2019, 15:34:18
Any chance for a more traditional 65 layout that has only the small blocker beside the arrow keys? The current 65 w/ blocker has a rather unique blocker position which may appeal to some, but I don't see how the blocker above the arrow keys serve any purpose considering there's no badge or accent to add to the aesthetics.

a badge should not be the reason for a blocker, imo. there are two reasons for the placement. A) it goes well with caps from G80/G81 boards. they don't have caps that would fit the blocked position, you would have to take keys from the num block. B) I like the left column to not be complete but to keep space for my pinky to rest at the edge of enter and shift - that's just a personal preference of course and might not make sense for others.

it is not 100% decided jet. only the small blocker might be very popular. I'll probably let another form decide which 65% blocker variants will be made.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 06 December 2019, 15:35:05
@PlastikSchnittstell, Hi, waiting is part of the sport but could you give us a rough schedule on the next steps (protos?), when it's clear for you? Thx

Yes, here is another UPDATE:
I got the prototypes yesterday. Brought them to powder coating earlier today. There is a good chance they will be ready before christmas.
A lot of details still need to be worked out (deciding on colors, sizes, blocker-versions, which layouts will the plates support). I assume january or february is when I'll be ready to open the GB. I plan to open a discord for the GB, then.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: SteffeMK on Fri, 06 December 2019, 16:09:54
@PlastikSchnittstell, Hi, waiting is part of the sport but could you give us a rough schedule on the next steps (protos?), when it's clear for you? Thx

Yes, here is another UPDATE:
I got the prototypes yesterday. Brought them to powder coating earlier today. There is a good chance they will be ready before christmas.
A lot of details still need to be worked out (deciding on colors, sizes, blocker-versions, which layouts will the plates support). I assume january or february is when I'll be ready to open the GB. I plan to open a discord for the GB, then.
If you could have the gb at the end of february that would be great, then I have the money to join.

Skickat från min ONEPLUS A6013 via Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: pixelpusher on Sat, 07 December 2019, 15:58:57
Just found this R2 thread.  I didn't see the appeal of the board before, but now I'm on board (get it?!)  I would probably go for black, but here are some options that would have me interested in a custom color. These all have ties to sports cars or military vehicles, both seeming to fit the design language of this case to me.

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Food for thought
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: iNv_ForEveR on Sat, 07 December 2019, 20:06:13
Update / prototype funding:

With the next prototypes I want to show you a few color options, finishes, materials and different sizes. Just one or two prototypes won't be enough this time. This will be quite expensive and that's why I suggest the following:

I'll put up a google form where those who want to jump on early and support quicker advancing towards GB phase, can do so for a lower price. I don't know jet how much each size will cost in the end, it depends on many factors. I estimate the 60% versions will probably not be cheaper than 110€. So the first 15 early birds who fill out the form will get a 110€ paypal invoice. When the GB starts they can choose whatever size/version they like. For a smaller size, shipping will be free for them. If they choose a bigger size, they will probably have to pay a bit of shipping or full shipping, depending on where the price of the bigger sizes will land. Either way, I'll make sure the early birds will have a price advantage of around 15-20%, I think that's fair.

Be aware that these sizes will definitely be made:
- 60% / Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS
- 65% / with and without blockers
- TKL / Standard and WKL

these sizes maybe made:
- 60% / Boardwalk
- 75% (very likely but not jet decided which PCB it will support)
- 1800

Good plan?

Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:20:33
Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!

Sorry to disappoint, but you're a bit late for early bird.

The raffle ended like 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sun, 08 December 2019, 00:46:23
Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!

Sorry to disappoint, but you're a bit late for early bird.

The raffle ended like 2 weeks ago.
I think it was FCFS for the early bird.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 08 December 2019, 06:44:50
Sounds great! I'll definitely jump on for early bird, really interested in these!

Sorry to disappoint, but you're a bit late for early bird.

The raffle ended like 2 weeks ago.
I think it was FCFS for the early bird.

yes, more than 15 had filled it out just a few hours after I had opened it, so I had to close it quickly. I was really pleased by that, because I could immediately order the protos. and yes, it wasn't a raffle it was just FCFS, simple and quick.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Saga on Tue, 17 December 2019, 18:48:04
I have my SKB 75 just put together and now I'm drooling about this one...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 17 December 2019, 18:52:20
Do we have a Discord Channel? Should we have Discord Channel?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: dugihk on Tue, 17 December 2019, 19:28:47
The colors are really nice
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Caktuss on Wed, 18 December 2019, 10:19:38
a dumb comment, thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 18 December 2019, 12:14:48
Are you going to run an early bird on orders/payments as well? Seems rather dumb to run it on IC when those might not even purchase, where as the people actually PAYING aren't given any discounts.

Early birds paid and funded prototypes this way. I can hardly imagine someone paying his early bird invoice and all of a sudden refusing getting a kit.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 18 December 2019, 15:05:16
Are you going to run an early bird on orders/payments as well? Seems rather dumb to run it on IC when those might not even purchase, where as the people actually PAYING aren't given any discounts.
what are you even trying to sayyyy???? but go ahead call people dumb lmao
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 18 December 2019, 16:24:17
Are you going to run an early bird on orders/payments as well? Seems rather dumb to run it on IC when those might not even purchase, where as the people actually PAYING aren't given any discounts.

I felt an overwhelming urge to go out of my way to tell you that your comment is unfathomably dumb. Here are the reasons why:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 18 December 2019, 17:36:26
@steezkeez
thanks for your effort to clarify this. it would have not been neccessary to clarify anything if Caktuss would have just read some more of the thread before posting. it's a classic, happens all the time.

all early birds got an invoice the next day after I closed the google-form. they all paid within the next two or three days and I could therefore order more prototypes. yes, I had already posted that, I think.
happy to let you now that I got the protos back from surface treatement today. looking really nice! probably won't be able to show you pictures tomorrow, but hopefully around the weekend. I'm VERY satisfied about the result :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Thu, 19 December 2019, 00:15:22
@steezkeez
thanks for your effort to clarify this. it would have not been neccessary to clarify anything if Caktuss would have just read some more of the thread before posting. it's a classic, happens all the time.

all early birds got an invoice the next day after I closed the google-form. they all paid within the next two or three days and I could therefore order more prototypes. yes, I had already posted that, I think.
happy to let you now that I got the protos back from surface treatement today. looking really nice! probably won't be able to show you pictures tomorrow, but hopefully around the weekend. I'm VERY satisfied about the result :)

I'm guessing you're pretty well-versed when it comes to ICs. I know you did a first round with the SKB1, but it feels like this GB is progressing pretty smoothly and fairly quickly. I appreciate all the work you're putting in. And I'm soooo hyped for the proto photos! I'm hyped but also not in a rush. We're in holiday season right now, and family time is important. (:

I forgot why I was responding now. lol

edit: Oh yeah. It's cuz I got excited to hear about the protos hahah
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Thu, 19 December 2019, 06:41:15
@steezkeez
thanks for your effort to clarify this. it would have not been neccessary to clarify anything if Caktuss would have just read some more of the thread before posting. it's a classic, happens all the time.

all early birds got an invoice the next day after I closed the google-form. they all paid within the next two or three days and I could therefore order more prototypes. yes, I had already posted that, I think.
happy to let you now that I got the protos back from surface treatement today. looking really nice! probably won't be able to show you pictures tomorrow, but hopefully around the weekend. I'm VERY satisfied about the result :)

Psyched to see the new batch!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Thu, 19 December 2019, 11:56:00
hoping for some flashy colors :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 December 2019, 12:53:19
Do we have a Discord Channel? Should we have Discord Channel?

once we reach GB status, I will make a discord channel.

just tried to post pictures of the new protos but I get ERROR503 :(
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Fri, 20 December 2019, 13:31:00
We'll survive with IMGUR photos  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 December 2019, 13:36:04
We'll survive with IMGUR photos  ;D

...in progress...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:11:18
Update, 2nd prototype batch

less talking, just the most necessary info on the new protos.
general note:
most builds are just put together for taking pictures. no PCBs inside, that's why some keys don't sit well (see dolch spacebar), please excuse.

1. CLASSIC BEIGE
material: steel
treatment: powder coating
color: RAL9002, Feinstruktur
size: 87%
angle: 8°
caps: epbt
note: the first proto with RAL9001 is shown next to it. like I had hoped, RAL 9002 works much better with classic beide keycaps.

(https://i.imgur.com/oNELMN1.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/fceQFCS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QPCTXlW.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/qLlAZWw.jpg)

2. DOLCH
material: steel
treatment: powder coating
color: RAL7039, Feinstruktur
size: 65%
angle: 10°
caps: gmk dolch
note: imo the color is a perfect match for classic dolch

(https://i.imgur.com/IJmnorq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QVTAzew.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6TWLZaX.jpg)

3. BLACK
material: steel
treatment: powder coating
color: RAL9005, glossy
size: 87%
angle: 10°
caps: wob with cmy-mods
note: since most of my cap sets are taken from old cherry boards, I wasn't able to populate the bottom row fully

(https://i.imgur.com/oaOGk68.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/PqEqOWo.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/MMLT3nO.jpg)

4. RED
material: steel
treatment: powder coating
color: RAL3020, glossy
size: 60%
angle: 12°
caps: any suggestions?
note: I need more keycaps

(https://i.imgur.com/jdUcqIO.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kmrftja.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/gjunBZh.jpg)

5. INOX, NICKEL
material: stainless steel
treatment: bead blasted and nickel coated
color: clear/champagne?
size: 60%
angle: 12°
caps: tai-hao, pbt doubleshot
note: the nickel coating makes a color that reminds me of champagne

(https://i.imgur.com/yJpshGK.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/wvSjcbP.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bHihsST.jpg)

6. INOX, NAKED
material: stainless steel
treatment: bead blasted
color: -
size: 65%
angle: 12°
caps: epbt
note: stainless steel screws could be used instead of the black ones, I don't have those (jet). also side by side comparison with the nickel treated version

(https://i.imgur.com/wRosG4X.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/7G4h3Zu.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FN0ruWY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cEUWPzr.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/9YLIxg6.jpg)

what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:27:16
Big fan of the dolch and naked.   :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:42:52
Powder coating on dolch looks great
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:44:35
The nickel looks really nice. Any chance you'll still be offering the RAL6027, but in the Feinstruktur? I kinda like how the texture looks with the matte finish.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:47:36
Well, Dolch is interesting color. And I think it will fit not only Dolch, but any other dark keycaps with vibrant accents. Reminds me of old Catalyst 2950 switches in a way.
Glossy is big meh IMO: the structure is "wavy" and uneven. One could achive perfect structure in car paint shop, but it will cost way more.
Inox Nickeled is very interesting finish: warm, but not "pinky" as those Apple Rose Gold copycats (personally, I hate that color). I'll check it on better screen and if it will be available -- consider switching to it from 9001.
As for basic "beige" -- I still would prefer 9001 over 9002 for Yugo I plan to put on this board.



Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 December 2019, 14:59:47
The nickel looks really nice. Any chance you'll still be offering the RAL6027, but in the Feinstruktur? I kinda like how the texture looks with the matte finish.

totally possible, yes.
I just couldn't afford to get all the colors I showed in the renderings. you have to pay rüstkosten (setup-fees?) for every color.
another google-form will help to decide which colors will be offered in the end.
though I'm not sure if the rather poppy RAL6027 will be better in glossy instead of feinstruktur?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:17:37
Well, Dolch is interesting color. And I think it will fit not only Dolch, but any other dark keycaps with vibrant accents. Reminds me of old Catalyst 2950 switches in a way.
Glossy is big meh IMO: the structure is "wavy" and uneven. One could achive perfect structure in car paint shop, but it will cost way more.
Inox Nickeled is very interesting finish: warm, but not "pinky" as those Apple Rose Gold copycats (personally, I hate that color). I'll check it on better screen and if it will be available -- consider switching to it from 9001.
As for basic "beige" -- I still would prefer 9001 over 9002 for Yugo I plan to put on this board.

yes, glossy looks a bit "flaky/wavy/uneven", not sure how to describe it. it's not about the quality of the shop (this shop also does car parts, btw), it has to do with the size of the surface but i'm not sure. I'll ask when they open again next year, now they are all closed here.

true, for yugo 9001 would be a better fit. but classic beige is a far bigger audience (me included).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:23:52
The nickel looks really nice. Any chance you'll still be offering the RAL6027, but in the Feinstruktur? I kinda like how the texture looks with the matte finish.

totally possible, yes.
I just couldn't afford to get all the colors I showed in the renderings. you have to pay rüstkosten (setup-fees?) for every color.
another google-form will help to decide which colors will be offered in the end.
though I'm not sure if the rather poppy RAL6027 will be better in glossy instead of feinstruktur?

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I was worried for a second lol. Thanks for the clarification. (:
Similar to what Fearsome mentioned, I feel like the glossy powder coat reveals a lot of the unevenness in the coating, which seems a little offputting imo. It's noticable in the RAL3020 photos. To be fair, I think I would like the way feinstruktur looks in any color.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: cerement on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:32:32
Would it be possible to see a photo with the ePBT / Classic Beige keycaps next to or sitting on the Inox Nickel finish? Almost looks like it might be a nicer match than RAL9002 or RAL9001 ...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 December 2019, 15:48:06
That red makes me fully confident in the shop to be able to pull off flashy colours - looks great despite the "wavy" inconsistencies which I'm sure can be fixed.

The Dolch amazing too, well picked. The original beige colour from your first proto is still by far my favourite but this is very exciting!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Fri, 20 December 2019, 16:40:23
gotta follow up with the guys saying the glossy looks like crap. it does imo. but i'd totally still be a fan of a flashy feinstruktur red, orange, laser purple/pink, toxic green, baby blue whatever you can think of.
the nickel and naked ones also look very tempting :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: whyamihere on Fri, 20 December 2019, 16:42:32
hype
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: pixelpusher on Fri, 20 December 2019, 17:11:39
the more i see the nickel the more I like it. Would like to see carbon or 9009 on it.  But I still think the dolch, beige, or even naked would work with more sets.

I think the Fine structure texture is what's swaying me though.  It looks so nice.  I like it better than the glossy for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Kokaloo on Fri, 20 December 2019, 17:23:45
nickel is gorgeous holy ****
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 20 December 2019, 17:26:55
Powder coating Feinstruktur and beadblasted nickel & raw looks STUNNING  :eek:

Would it be possible to have a shot of the powder coated glossy in a indoor environment?

ill happily take a 1800 dolch and a raw TKL :cool:

Proto's looks stunning Plastik, great work!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 20 December 2019, 19:02:05
Cool!
Not a fan of glossy myself, I think nickel looks really cool though.
And I'm not sure if it's a popular opinion but I'd prefer RAL9001 over RAL9002, I think with RAL9002 the case actually looks noticeable colder than the alphas which I don't think is the case with RAL9001. Actually, I think what I would love the most would go even further in the direction of a slightly yellowed ABS case or old paper. I'm one of the pre-orders and I thought I'd go for a HHKB 60% with a beige like the prototype in the first post but if that's not available I'll have to think a bit more about the color.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: steezkeez on Fri, 20 December 2019, 20:21:15
INOX Nickel looks awesome! Definitely my favorite out of these finishes. I also prefer the new RAL9002 over 9001.

I’d probably go with the Nickel or if there is a matte black/dark grey option (bead blasted I hope?), I would consider that as well :) Appreciate the updates!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: online on Fri, 20 December 2019, 22:01:23
I still prefer classic beige RAL9001. RAL9002 seem too white.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: SpringWind on Sat, 21 December 2019, 01:55:23
I had an intention of choosing matte-finished RAL9001 until now, but every samples in above post are great too!
It's so difficult for me that choose one option from current samples.

I will choose DOLCH with matte-finish if RAL9001 will replace with RAL9002.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: R4WBIT on Sat, 21 December 2019, 02:42:50
RAL9001 definitely looks a bit better than RAL9002 for classic beige keycaps :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Franzl on Sat, 21 December 2019, 03:36:31
7021 looks really good with dolch too

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831279.msg#2831279

Edit: f*ck of tapatalk!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: hansikhouse on Sat, 21 December 2019, 06:26:58
The Inox variants are really growing on me, especially if you provide silver screws (would love to see samples on a build). Thinking of picking up 2 of these during the buy.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 21 December 2019, 06:52:30
Really like both inox and the og colorways. Not a big fan of the glossy powdercoat, coats look way too thick.

Would love to see a nice rich dark blue to match Metropolis


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Sat, 21 December 2019, 07:19:39
Yeah, Inox  :thumb: happy to see protos coming out nice - well spent money

Can‘t wait for gb to start  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 21 December 2019, 22:41:15
All protos look great except for black. And as someone interested in a black TKL version of this, I think glossy isn’t the way to go.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:00:06
Would it be possible to see a photo with the ePBT / Classic Beige keycaps next to or sitting on the Inox Nickel finish? Almost looks like it might be a nicer match than RAL9002 or RAL9001 ...

yes, I should try more case/keycap combinations. but it will have to wait till next year.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:01:35
Would it be possible to have a shot of the powder coated glossy in a indoor environment?

yes, totally agree, I need indoor/desksetup pictures. my lighting inside was just terrible and I don't have an extra flashlight. even the outdoor pictures are far from good, it was much too cloudy and I rushed it because it was beginning to rain. I'll work on a more relatable picture scenario after the holidays.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:05:52
7021 looks really good with dolch too

atm I don't really remember why I changed from RAL7021, which I had shown in earlier renderings, to RAL7039 for dolch. I'll check that out after the holidays as well. wait, I just checked RAL7021 - that was a mistake. the renderings with dolch caps were all with RAL7039, don't know why I wrote RAL7021. If you check the color, it is a very dark grey. but also that would work with dolche and many more sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:16:53
regarding glossy:

if it can be done reliabley without the wavyness then I'll offer a glossy version, if not then not. we'll see. simple.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 22 December 2019, 09:18:02
regarding RAL 9001 vs 9002:

I see mixed opinions about which of the two is suited better for classic beige.

I think the problem here comes down to the quality of the pictures I took. I'll take pictures with better lighting, white balance and the same cherry classic beige caps put on, side by side. with more objective pictures it should be easier to decide if 9001 or 9002 fits more.
...after the holidays.

more suggestions for case/keycap combos welcome.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: killchain on Mon, 30 December 2019, 07:06:24
Voted for 75% ISO in the IC, although I'd also consider 1800, 96% or similar; a separate numpad would be nice too for the smaller options.
In terms of colours, I voted dark gray, although black is always cool, and a raw version (clear/transparent coated) would be nice (I think it looks awesome when there are welds, i.e. on some bike frames, but might look nice with just bends too). Also, what about cerakote (think Norbauer)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 December 2019, 12:13:11
there is raw steel, just bead blasted. also bead blasted and nickel coated, which is somewhat clear. see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).

there are already a lot of options in discussion, maybe I'll try another powder coating color but nothing more/new like cerakote. would be too much.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: killchain on Mon, 30 December 2019, 17:05:37
Cool!

About the plate and the split spacebar options on the 75% - should I decide to go with PCB mounted stabs, will I be able to change from split to normal (or vice versa) without desoldering the whole board (i.e. will the stabs be able to pass through the plate)? Should be doable with plate mount stabs, right? Sorry if these are noob questions, I've never built a board.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Delirious on Mon, 30 December 2019, 17:17:42
Suggestion:

I just recently built my skb75 v1 and mounting the plate into the top is probably the most awkward and counter-intuitive process of the whole build. With the single long screws, I have to secure them to the top piece first, then finessing the plate into the top. There is no other way around, everything has to be done in that exact order. The screws on the bottom lip are easy, but the top lip screws got tricky, there was not a lot of real estate to wiggle about. How about using multiple shorter screws so each step could be done independently. Please see picture for examples:

(https://i.imgur.com/sOJfbti.jpg)

1. Top row: you can place the spacers onto the plate first, then place the plate-with-spacers into the top piece later. Either way this system gives you better access at tighter spots because you can use 2 screwdrivers.

2. Bottom row: same idea, you pretty much positions the spacers with the plate first before placing the entire thing into the top piece of the case.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 30 December 2019, 17:30:11
Would it be possible to have a shot of the powder coated glossy in a indoor environment?

yes, totally agree, I need indoor/desksetup pictures. my lighting inside was just terrible and I don't have an extra flashlight. even the outdoor pictures are far from good, it was much too cloudy and I rushed it because it was beginning to rain. I'll work on a more relatable picture scenario after the holidays.

Cool, yeah you can almost see the grey sky in the reflections heh, that's most likely also enhancing the minor waves in the glossy look.
Could still be cool to see a few random snaps from a indoor environment when its possible :thumb:

BTW,
Would be cool if you could look into adding the SKB family to this at some point
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102336.0 hint hint :p 
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 December 2019, 17:35:55
Suggestion:

I just recently built my skb75 v1 and mounting the plate into the top is probably the most awkward and counter-intuitive process of the whole build. With the single long screws, I have to secure them to the top piece first, then finessing the plate into the top. There is no other way around, everything has to be done in that exact order. The screws on the bottom lip are easy, but the top lip screws got tricky, there was not a lot of real estate to wiggle about. How about using multiple shorter screws so each step could be done independently. Please see picture for examples:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sOJfbti.jpg)


1. Top row: you can place the spacers onto the plate first, then place the plate-with-spacers into the top piece later. Either way this system gives you better access at tighter spots because you can use 2 screwdrivers.

2. Bottom row: same idea, you pretty much positions the spacers with the plate first before placing the entire thing into the top piece of the case.

I guess you wanted to post this in the SKB(1)-GB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.0)?
If this was not an accident, then I don't quite understand. The mounting of the SKB2s' plate is different. Also there are no spacers/washers involved this time. Also different screw positioning, more space/room to work and generally less painfull to put together. See here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829763#msg2829763).
For your SKB(1), you could try this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2848559#msg2848559).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 30 December 2019, 17:37:20
Cool!

About the plate and the split spacebar options on the 75% - should I decide to go with PCB mounted stabs, will I be able to change from split to normal (or vice versa) without desoldering the whole board (i.e. will the stabs be able to pass through the plate)? Should be doable with plate mount stabs, right? Sorry if these are noob questions, I've never built a board.

no problem, everyone has to start somewhere.
you are talking about plate/layout details. it's too early for that atm. I'll have these details figured out when GB starts of course.

your questions can be answered generally to some degree. PCB mount stabs can usually not be removed after soldering, though I did offer some custom plates files for PCB mount stabs where the cutouts allowed removability even after soldering - so it is possible. normally only plate mount stabs are removable after soldering, but they require a plate that does not allow for much options regarding layout. most plates for custom cases, like the ones for my recent SKB-GB are unified, which means they enable multiple layouts (like ANSI, ISO and different bottom row configs). here PCB mount stabs are used and they are not removable after soldering (though I found myself in a situation once where I actually did manage to remove and reinstall them in a different config, it was horrible but I did it, will not apply usually).

how the plate for a possible SKB2-75% will specifically look like is - like I mentioned above - too early to say atm.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: ZG2047 on Tue, 31 December 2019, 04:16:33
Big fan of the dolch and naked.   :thumb:
Me too can't wait.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: templa23 on Tue, 31 December 2019, 05:53:43
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 December 2019, 07:38:55
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had

The colors are not finalized jet.

In the new year, I'll first have to contact the company that did the powder coating and find out what went wrong with the glossy colors (wavy surface). Then I can decide whether glossy will be on option or not. Then probably one more small and quick round of protos with two or three other color options. Better pictures (improved lighting and indoor). Then a google form should help to make a final color decision.

I should add a todo section to the start post.
EDIT: just did that.

The process takes time. Though I have to say that so far this proceeds quickly. It was less than a month since the day I ordered the last protos until I uploaded the pictures for you.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: suspiciouscow on Tue, 31 December 2019, 08:35:23
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

I still have a YAS kit that hasn't been built yet. Is it possible to get a case without the PCB?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 31 December 2019, 08:37:55
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had

The colors are not finalized jet.

In the new year, I'll first have to contact the company that did the powder coating and find out what went wrong with the glossy colors (wavy surface). Then I can decide whether glossy will be on option or not. Then probably one more small and quick round of protos with two or three other color options. Better pictures (improved lighting and indoor). Then a google form should help to make a final color decision.

I should add a todo section to the start post.
EDIT: just did that.

The process takes time. Though I have to say that so far this proceeds quickly. It was less than a month since the day I ordered the last protos until I uploaded the pictures for you.
Sounds great, have an happy 31!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 December 2019, 09:24:08
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

I still have a YAS kit that hasn't been built yet. Is it possible to get a case without the PCB?

yes, this will be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 31 December 2019, 09:24:58
Sounds great, have an happy 31!

yep, happy 31 to all!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: suspiciouscow on Tue, 31 December 2019, 10:57:45
It's just a very small amount of yas PCBs from the SKB1 GB that I have left. So there won't be much YAS-versions available.

I still have a YAS kit that hasn't been built yet. Is it possible to get a case without the PCB?

yes, this will be possible.

Woo! Looking forward to it c:
Happy new year!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: templa23 on Tue, 31 December 2019, 12:54:47
I'm in love with that nickel color scheme from the photos of the latest prototype, was wondering though if those are the finalized colors you are planning for the GB cause I fell hard for that turquoise case rendering you had

The colors are not finalized jet.

In the new year, I'll first have to contact the company that did the powder coating and find out what went wrong with the glossy colors (wavy surface). Then I can decide whether glossy will be on option or not. Then probably one more small and quick round of protos with two or three other color options. Better pictures (improved lighting and indoor). Then a google form should help to make a final color decision.

I should add a todo section to the start post.
EDIT: just did that.

The process takes time. Though I have to say that so far this proceeds quickly. It was less than a month since the day I ordered the last protos until I uploaded the pictures for you.

That sounds great, happy new years to you and hopefully to a great 2020 as well
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: menuhin on Wed, 01 January 2020, 04:24:00
Noted that some people are saying "happy new year" before new year has actually arrived for the system at least...

Let me do some spiritual cleansing so that this project will be successful in Q1 or Q2 and perhaps I can build it up before the end of 2020.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 01 January 2020, 09:22:11
Let me do some spiritual cleansing so that this project will be successful in Q1 or Q2 and perhaps I can build it up before the end of 2020.

Let me ease potential concerns regarding the timeline.
This will not take nearly as long as SKB(1) did.
I plan to have it completely concluded still in Q1 (of 2020, obviously).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 January 2020, 08:34:20
Regarding 75%

here are the results so far from the "SKB2 75%" google form (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832897#msg2832897):

[attach=1]

Version D is by far the most favored layout. I like the result a lot because this would be my first choice as well.

Quite a lot have filled out the SKB2-IC form so far. I've learned not to trust IC form numbers too much but it does look like there is a very healthy demand. To keep the SKB2 GB manageable I don't want to offer a "75% version D" right away but instead in a separate GB, later. However I do plan to offer the "75% version A" (for the KBD75-PCB) right away with this GB, better than not having a 75% option at all and the KBD75-PCB is always available.

In short:
- 75% standard version (for KBD75% PCB) in this GB
- 75% version D with new developed PCB in a later GB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Insanto on Sat, 04 January 2020, 09:02:25
but what do they mean!?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 January 2020, 09:08:30
I linked to an earlier post containing a link to the google form where you could vote on the different 75% versions.
here is the direct link again, in there you can see the versions:

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: saesh on Sat, 04 January 2020, 12:59:44
Regarding 75%

here are the results so far from the "SKB2 75%" google form (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2832897#msg2832897):

(Attachment Link)

Version D is by far the most favored layout. I like the result a lot because this would be my first choice as well.

Quite a lot have filled out the SKB2-IC form so far. I've learned not to trust IC form numbers too much but it does look like there is a very healthy demand. To keep the SKB2 GB manageable I don't want to offer a "75% version D" right away but instead in a separate GB, later. However I do plan to offer the "75% version A" (for the KBD75-PCB) right away with this GB, better than not having a 75% option at all and the KBD75-PCB is always available.

In short:
- 75% standard version (for KBD75% PCB) in this GB
- 75% version D with new developed PCB in a later GB

Will early birds have the same benefits in the second group buy?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Sat, 04 January 2020, 13:16:37
For the record I just want to say that Version E is a really cool idea.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 January 2020, 13:36:44
Will early birds have the same benefits in the second group buy?

If you are an early bird and had hoped for the 75% version D and none of what will be offered in the first batch, then no problem, you can just wait and choose yours from the next batch which will include 75% version D.
Stuffing all the different sizes and version in one batch will be too much. Also we would have to wait a longer since the development of the PCB hasn't even started jet. The TKL (Eon87) prototype is not far away though.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Sat, 04 January 2020, 14:07:28
For the record I just want to say that Version E is a really cool idea.
Yeah I'm sad about this but those results are pretty damning :( It's not like it's easy to just produce anyway because there is no PCB for it yet, I think. Sucks, it or a version without arrows would look great with the screwheads symmetrical around the centered spacebar.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 January 2020, 16:37:31
Don't worry, the "SKB2-75% version D" will be done after this and it will come with its own custom PCB. It's just not going to make it into this batch.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 January 2020, 16:54:24
Trying more colors

I will do one more and last round of prototypes before I start the GB. I was looking for more color options.

I want to try something yellow.

(https://i.imgur.com/RFpNcSL.jpg)

RAL1023 is one that I like.
I looked for recent or upcoming keycap sets that would fit well. Something like Serika, Lux or Dualshot. Even Metropolis would work because of its yellow accents, Nautilus and High Voltage for the same reason. There is also an IC for for Hive PBT, this would also be a good fit. Probably many more, these are just a few examples I could quickly gather. I made some renderings. I can try with other sets, suggestions welcome.

Here is SKB2-60 in RAL1023 (Feinstruktur) and caps with colors that should resemble Serika:

(https://i.imgur.com/pbVXtQo.png) (https://i.imgur.com/1pSazUk.png)

Here again but with a cap set that looks close to Hive:

(https://i.imgur.com/IMvODSl.png) (https://i.imgur.com/WZXThdz.png)

I also tried purple. Sadly the standard RAL catalogue does not offer a purple that looks satisfying to me. RAL4008 was the best RAL purple but still isn't really good, imo. For a purple I would have to go with Pantone. No option for this GB. Anyway here it is RAL4008 (glossy) combined with a caps set that consits of standard GMK colors TU2, DY and CP (I think something like this exists):

(https://i.imgur.com/wRoTXVI.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Rafa_n on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:02:34
Love that yellow!

Will definitely be my choice if it's offered in the GB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:07:57
Yes, this yellow seems more in line with your modernist approach, and is quite nice indeed. Nevertheless, because I already have a rama 65b in the pipes, I might stick to a more classical white or black (depending on the glossy issue).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: benfrain on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:10:06
Love the yellow. I’ll be all over that in a 65%
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: malde on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:24:19
I'm also all in if 65% yellow will be an option!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: benfrain on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:27:53
Split backspace too on the 65%
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Sat, 04 January 2020, 17:56:59
That yellow looks sick! I think I might pick this one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 04 January 2020, 18:44:35
Trying more colors

Love the yellow, personally. I also like the purple, but it is quite particular - would you be willing to give a neon-ish pink a go by any chance? That, yellow and Tiffany blue/teal are the colours I've really wanted to see done for a while and no one's quite gotten them right yet (maybe the Fox65 will but they're not coated yet).

Either way, love to see the progress!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: gynovva on Sat, 04 January 2020, 19:10:09
when's the next early bird gb?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sat, 04 January 2020, 20:38:26
That yellow looks amazing. I really like it, almost as much as I like RAL 6027. It looks especially nice in the Feinstruktur. I really hope this and RAL 6027 get the Feinstruktur treatment. (:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: MajorclaM on Sat, 04 January 2020, 22:57:25
I'm looking forward to the 75% GB especially in the inox colors. Are there other stainless steel finishes that you've considered besides raw and nickel? I really like the industrial look and think the gasket is a nice update!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Insanto on Sun, 05 January 2020, 09:05:32
I linked to an earlier post containing a link to the google form where you could vote on the different 75% versions.
here is the direct link again, in there you can see the versions:

KLICK (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSc47UIQEcGqhjmsXvnSwa46ae7k6DdUb9qeRkyXYO0-Hwc_VQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)

hehe good morning me  :-[ :))
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 05 January 2020, 09:17:39
Trying more colors

Love the yellow, personally. I also like the purple, but it is quite particular - would you be willing to give a neon-ish pink a go by any chance? That, yellow and Tiffany blue/teal are the colours I've really wanted to see done for a while and no one's quite gotten them right yet (maybe the Fox65 will but they're not coated yet).

Either way, love to see the progress!
I second that. I would be very curious to see a creamy pink (like 60's Cadillac, just before pastel ton, if RAL allowes it). A choice of contrast with the mechanical style.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 06 January 2020, 00:03:25
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416

In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 06 January 2020, 05:14:49
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416

In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.

I tried them on the og SKB, i think plastik's choice of screws is the best for a clean all around look. The low caps looks nice tho, used on the very first SKB prototype afaik.
Use them now on mine SKB's for the brute win :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 06 January 2020, 07:40:18
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416

In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.
How can that one screw be $4.46 each?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 06 January 2020, 09:59:50
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416

In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.

I tried them on the og SKB, i think plastik's choice of screws is the best for a clean all around look. The low caps looks nice tho, used on the very first SKB prototype afaik.
Use them now on mine SKB's for the brute win :)

Not quite. The ones on the prototype were the low profile, not the ultra low profile. The ultras are half the height of the regular low profile (2mm vs 1mm). 1mm is really tiny, this is as close to flush as you'll get.

Here's the SKB prototype for reference: https://m.imgur.com/a/5wfjv

EDIT: you're probably right about the aesthetics tho, the button heads look like rivets.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 06 January 2020, 10:05:57
How can that one screw be $4.46 each?
That's cause it's McMaster. They can be sourced elsewhere for waaay cheaper. Here's a pack of 50 for $3.80usd:
https://aliexpress.com/item/32981714992.html
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Mon, 06 January 2020, 12:52:25
For the fasteners, could you try an ultra low profile socket head screw. Like this:
https://www.mcmaster.com/91223a416

In M3, It's head is 65% lower height, and 3% smaller diameter than the button cap. It's available in black and stainless.

I tried them on the og SKB, i think plastik's choice of screws is the best for a clean all around look. The low caps looks nice tho, used on the very first SKB prototype afaik.
Use them now on mine SKB's for the brute win :)

Not quite. The ones on the prototype were the low profile, not the ultra low profile. The ultras are half the height of the regular low profile (2mm vs 1mm). 1mm is really tiny, this is as close to flush as you'll get.

Here's the SKB prototype for reference: https://m.imgur.com/a/5wfjv

EDIT: you're probably right about the aesthetics tho, the button heads look like rivets.

Yeah exactly!
Sry, also what i meant. The low profile head/cap hex. The medium sized you linked. Imo the ultra low cap would look like rivets as you said :)
But i love you could go all out on steam punk and "bolt it out" if you wanted haha

It just a top shot tho, but here is my og skb with the low profile heads.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102526.msg2834136#msg2834136
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Tue, 07 January 2020, 08:33:15
@PlastikSchnittstelle. Speaking of screws, you mentioned here that there isn't a good way of colouring screw heads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018)

I'd like to point out that powdercoating screw heads is a relatively common service, and I've seen them used in the field. Here's a few examples:
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/powder.jpg)
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/pg-powdercoating.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/pcbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sample.jpg?fit=1500%2C1068&ssl=1)


Could you ask your powdercoater if they're willing to do this?

It's not necessary for most colours. On the dark colors like dolsch, the black screws look great already. But the RAL9002 really needs it imo.
Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Tue, 07 January 2020, 20:41:22
Kinda liked the contrasting colors of he screw head tho...

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 08 January 2020, 08:40:09
@PlastikSchnittstelle. Speaking of screws, you mentioned here that there isn't a good way of colouring screw heads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018)

I'd like to point out that powdercoating screw heads is a relatively common service, and I've seen them used in the field. Here's a few examples:
Show Image
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/powder.jpg)

Show Image
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/pg-powdercoating.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i0.wp.com/pcbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sample.jpg?fit=1500%2C1068&ssl=1)



Could you ask your powdercoater if they're willing to do this?

It's not necessary for most colours. On the dark colors like dolsch, the black screws look great already. But the RAL9002 really needs it imo.
Thanks.

i could write a lot about these so called "powder coated screws". instead i should just say NO. okay, let me just say the following...
if you knew about the process of powder coating and what steps it involves (for each single part) then you would also know that there is no way actual powder coating on screws can be achieved for a reasonable price. it says "powder coating" but I doubt this is the same process that I'm aware of.

look, everyone who wants the case is free to combine it with whatever special screws s/he likes. in the box with the case there will be the standard button head screws - that is set.

don't get me wrong, I absolutely appreciate the suggestion, the example and of course the participation in the process, but on this particular topic "screws" I have to clearly say that it will be standard, button head, black. for the stainless steel versions, I'll still have to try stainless screws to match because obviously they are simple to get, inexpensive and probably a perfect match, that makes sense.

that said I'm already looking forward to be surprised by the looks of alternatives some may come up with. like this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=95113.msg2849099#msg2849099), nice!

p.s.
ok, one more little thought: try imagine me quality controlling THOUSANDS of screws - this is not going to happen ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 08 January 2020, 08:42:16
regarding the flathead screws:

they weren't easy to source here and would have been quite expensive. add to that, some commented on them to be ugly. so I really only see the standard button head screws to be the best solution for what comes in the box. again, everyone is free to find a more personalized option themselves.

I personally like them, especially in this build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102526.msg2834136#msg2834136), mmmmh, niiice!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Wed, 08 January 2020, 15:37:20
try imagine me quality controlling THOUSANDS of screws - this is not going to happen ;)

That's a very good point. Sorry for bringing it up.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 08 January 2020, 16:02:32
no no no, don't be sorry for bringing it up, it's totally fine and absolutely welcome. I just hope that this time I provided the necessary context to make everybody understand why this is not a practical option for this GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Sat, 11 January 2020, 11:43:18
Has a black color been decided on yet? If not, I'd like to propose one.

Looking at the glossy RAL9005 prototype, I think it might be a little too black. It even overpowers the black keycaps and screws:
https://i.imgur.com/PqEqOWo.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/PqEqOWo.jpg)

I propose RAL9017. I think it looks especially good in matte or feinstruktur. For some examples, here's the Devialet Phantom Reactor speaker (I confirmed that the black version is actually painted in RAL9017 and not just molded plastic) under different lighting conditions:
1 (https://www.mrporter.com/en-be/mens/product/devialet/speakers/phantom-reactor-600-wireless-speaker/17957409490457413), 2 (https://www.stereonet.co.uk/images/articles/Images/3126/devialet_phantom_reactor_matte_black_rear_angle__large_full.jpg), 3 (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W_6cftqOPio/maxresdefault.jpg)

Sorry everyone for posting so much :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 11 January 2020, 11:53:19
I don't think that there is such a thing as too black. Glossy makes the black deeper, I guess that's the purpose.
And if the painting problem is fixed, that might be the color I'll pick.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: raptorzoz on Sat, 11 January 2020, 16:05:30
Definitely interested in an 1800 board, and probably a TKL too
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:12:33
3rd Prototype batch early bird funding:

OK, I've been I a bit more quiet the last two weeks. I made some minor adjustments and was working on the plates. Everything is ready for the third and probably last prototype batch to be ordered. I suggest the same way of early bird funding like we did with the last batch. I would open the same form again and after about 10 submissions are in, I'll close it again, send out the invoices and then I should be able to quickly place the order. Data is ready.

good, right?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:13:55
Feinstruktur vs glossy:

I need to bring the glossy powder coated parts to the company and be there in person in order to discuss the glossy waviness surface issue. I hope I can make that next week.
I'm sure getting the glossy surface done nicely and evenly will not be a problem. But regardless of this matter, I do get the feeling that most (including myself) would prefer feinstruktur over glossy anyway. Regardless if the color may be black, grey, yellow, beige or whatever, I think most would want to get it in feinstruktur, not glossy. If I get different feedback on this, I could include a vote for glossy vs feinstruktur in the color vote form.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:17:28
Is the early bird form for the 3rd round protos on the original post?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:17:44
RAL options for classic beige:

I made a few new renderings for comparing the beige options RAL9001 and RAL9002. I also found a third option, RAL1013. The renderings may probably be missleading because the rgb values can't match what you see in reality. I still didn't had time for good pictures. After I have those done, I will set up a form where we can vote on the colors. Renderings in the following order: RAL1013, RAL9001, RAL9002, then again from different perspective.
Here:

(https://i.imgur.com/mw3B2tG.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Hv2WkLb.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Ai0KiDv.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/llLserK.png) (https://i.imgur.com/nSpDv81.png) (https://i.imgur.com/a4HHbi5.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:19:34
Is the early bird form for the 3rd round protos on the original post?

yes, I'll post the same link again here when I re-open it, maybe later today.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: nathanchere on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:20:06
Have there been any design changes between the different prototype runs?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:20:41
Yellow:

here are more renderings with RAL1023. I really like this color, you'll see it on the next protos, pretty sure this will be one of the final options. I think I managed to simulate the Feinstruktur better this time. Caps should roughly resemble GMK Lux:

(https://i.imgur.com/i0TnjvL.png) (https://i.imgur.com/YXtIVwx.png) (https://i.imgur.com/bQk9mcY.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:25:36
If you make a navless/96 key/similar i am sold unless the price is too high
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:27:10
Have there been any design changes between the different prototype runs?

yes, just very minor stuff though. for example half a millimeter bezel size, from first to second protos. one millimeter more clearance inside because screws from screw in stabs were touching the bottom.
the plates got more changes, especially with the next proto round, you'll see.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 17 January 2020, 06:30:14
That yellow is fantastic
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 January 2020, 07:23:42
just saw gmk honey (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102962.0), hadn't noticed it before. this would be a very good fit for yellow as well. too bad R5/R0 is not offered :(
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Fri, 17 January 2020, 11:51:25
i would totally cash in for another prototype but i don't wanna steal someone elses place :thumb:
nice yellow and +1 for FEINSTRUKTUR instead of glossy, just because it's a german word^^
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 17 January 2020, 12:47:36
RAL options for classic beige:

I made a few new renderings for comparing the beige options RAL9001 and RAL9002. I also found a third option, RAL1013. The renderings may probably be missleading because the rgb values can't match what you see in reality. I still didn't had time for good pictures. After I have those done, I will set up a form where we can vote on the colors. Renderings in the following order: RAL1013, RAL9001, RAL9002, then again from different perspective.
Here:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/mw3B2tG.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Hv2WkLb.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Ai0KiDv.png)



Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/llLserK.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/nSpDv81.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/a4HHbi5.png)


Well, if my monitor is correctly showing 1013 more creamy than 9001 and 9002 (almost pure white), I think I'm in for 1013.
So, my preference for "beige" is following: 1013>9001>9002 (If there will be 9002 chosen, I'll most likely switch to nickel or inox finish)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: killchain on Fri, 17 January 2020, 15:41:04
@PlastikSchnittstelle. Speaking of screws, you mentioned here that there isn't a good way of colouring screw heads:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2830018#msg2830018)

I'd like to point out that powdercoating screw heads is a relatively common service, and I've seen them used in the field. Here's a few examples:
Show Image
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/powder.jpg)

Show Image
(https://www.selfdrillingscrew.co.uk/uploads/images/pg-powdercoating.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i0.wp.com/pcbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Sample.jpg?fit=1500%2C1068&ssl=1)



Could you ask your powdercoater if they're willing to do this?

It's not necessary for most colours. On the dark colors like dolsch, the black screws look great already. But the RAL9002 really needs it imo.
Thanks.

What about PlastiDip kind of stuff? Sure it won't match 100% in terms of colour, but if it's intentionally "same but different", it can do the job I think.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eggplant-chan- on Fri, 17 January 2020, 20:04:03
I'd be interested to see 75% renders when they come out
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Funkzilla on Sat, 18 January 2020, 00:27:32
Dear god, Im begging for the 1800...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 04:24:28
I'd be interested to see 75% renders when they come out

you mean those (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 10:35:10
Dear god, Im begging for the 1800...

I think I have to disappoint you. Though Maarten does have a 1800-PCB, it was not designed with custom cases in mind but as a replacement PCB to fit G80/G81-1800 cases (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96692.msg2641141#msg2641141). To make it fit well, he would have to make a few adjustments. In addition the interest check form indicates a rather low demand for this version.
There will be news regarding PCBs soon, you might like it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 18 January 2020, 11:11:48
There will be news regarding PCBs soon, you might like it.

Is there a final tally as it stands for which form factors and layouts will be offered the first go around?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 16:11:21
Sizes & Layouts:

These ones will be offered for sure:

- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker and right column two key blocker (like prototype)
- 75%
- TKL Standard, WKL

The 75% "version D" layout that I had said would be done later might now be ready sooner. If so, it will be offered instead of the KBD75 style version.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rondg on Sat, 18 January 2020, 16:19:35
The 75% "version D" layout that I had said would be done later might now be ready sooner. If so, it will be offered instead of the KBD75 style version.

Yes! Is it possible to order multiple PCBs?  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 16:24:56
sure!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: consumer on Sat, 18 January 2020, 16:35:04
Please please consider Boardwalk.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 16:54:31
Colors and Finishes:

Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?

Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).

Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).

I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.

Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 18 January 2020, 17:05:21
Please please consider Boardwalk.

yes, why not.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Sat, 18 January 2020, 18:11:29
- maybe black?

Please please offer some form of black. It's such a universal colour that works with pretty much any keycaps. RAL9017 in Feinstruktur would look so good!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: norb on Sat, 18 January 2020, 18:15:50
nickel finish looks way more classy than raw steel, my vote would go for this one!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: riterdando on Sun, 19 January 2020, 02:52:50
I like the Nickel finish!


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: rinkaan on Sun, 19 January 2020, 03:29:55
Nickel is alot more interesting.. But was thinking about longevity VS the stainless since it is the natural color and won't wear off with abuse... But am happy with all the colors nonetheless! Nickel to beige to yellow.. All are nice!

Waiting for the run.. No full size I guess? Was hoping for something with numpad to use in my office (tons of data entry on spreadsheets required)

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 19 January 2020, 04:08:35
Nickel or raw steel is fine either way.
I already have a yellow keyboard, and if the glossy black is not an option anymore, I should go for the beige.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 19 January 2020, 06:52:47
Dear god, Im begging for the 1800...

I think I have to disappoint you. Though Maarten does have a 1800-PCB, it was not designed with custom cases in mind but as a replacement PCB to fit G80/G81-1800 cases (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=96692.msg2641141#msg2641141). To make it fit well, he would have to make a few adjustments. In addition the interest check form indicates a rather low demand for this version.
There will be news regarding PCBs soon, you might like it.

Sad to see the 1800 get cut. :(
Was there simple not room for it bc of the design of the gh80/81 1800 pcb?

I was so ready for it, haha damnit :D

Colors and Finishes:

Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?

Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).

Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).

I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.

Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.

Just gonna ramble abit. But between the white's. Not sure about RAL1013, a little nicotine hasy maybe.
Irl it properly gonna look good. But then there is 3 muted medium "hazy" options with Dolch, Inox, Nickel, and the 1013 oyster white.

No black, no white, no silver :eek: :p

To distinguish the color setup better a bit, i vote for RAL9002 for the white if you end up going with "only" Inox Nickel and Dolch. as the lighter/muted color options.

1+ 'og' Bead blasted SKB, BLACK. It looks so good IRL :thumb:

Still love the Raw, bead blasted, Inox Naked. it's very hard to choose haha :D



Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 19 January 2020, 09:19:03
Colors and Finishes:

Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?

Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).

Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).

I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.

Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.

1013 over 9001 over 9002 for beige, Nickel over Raw, Black for sure as a universal option. Feinstruktur is perfect, I really don't believe in easy way to powder coat with glossy finish.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 19 January 2020, 09:45:52
Sizes & Layouts:

These ones will be offered for sure:

- 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62
- 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker and right column two key blocker (like prototype)
- 75%
- TKL Standard, WKL

The 75% "version D" layout that I had said would be done later might now be ready sooner. If so, it will be offered instead of the KBD75 style version.

Lovely. Thank you for clarifying, I suppose I'll stick with my original plan of going for a TKL as well as a YAS.

Colors and Finishes:

Colors that will be for sure (all RAL powder coating, Feinstruktur):
- Classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002), compare RAL9001 and 9002 prototypes here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164), also renderings with RAL1013 there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854670#msg2854670)
- Dolch / gray (RAL7039) prototype here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164)
- Yellow (RAL1023) renderings here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2850066#msg2850066) and there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854674#msg2854674)
- maybe black?

Maybe black will be added but three is already a lot, keep in mind that with all the different sizes and layouts it will be a lot of possible combinations.
All Feinstruktur, since no one objected to my post back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667).

Stainless Steel:
- "bead blasted only" or "bead blasted & nickel treated", see protos of both compared here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2846164#msg2846164).

I only want to offer one of the two. I'm leaning more towards the one with nickel treatement. The "bead blasted only" version is for sure very nice but I think it looks very similar to "aluminum bead blasted anodized". Only when picking it up you would instantly know it's not alu because of the higher weight. The nickel treatement is a very interesting look that I haven't seen jet.

Please let me know if this sound all reasonable to you.

I like the colour choices and I too think going for Feinstruktur for all of them is the better choice. Far as the "beige" goes, my preferred option is definitely 1013.

Nickel is much more unique than the alternative in my opinion and it just looks cooler - I'd much prefer if that's the version that's picked for the bead blasted finishes.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 19 January 2020, 10:06:21
Like both steel versions - both are fine. If both are offered i would think about getting both.

So cutting one will save money haha
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 19 January 2020, 11:12:51
RAL options for classic beige:

I made a few new renderings for comparing the beige options RAL9001 and RAL9002. I also found a third option, RAL1013. The renderings may probably be missleading because the rgb values can't match what you see in reality. I still didn't had time for good pictures. After I have those done, I will set up a form where we can vote on the colors. Renderings in the following order: RAL1013, RAL9001, RAL9002, then again from different perspective.
Here:

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(https://i.imgur.com/Ai0KiDv.png)



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(https://i.imgur.com/nSpDv81.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/a4HHbi5.png)


Well, if my monitor is correctly showing 1013 more creamy than 9001 and 9002 (almost pure white), I think I'm in for 1013.
So, my preference for "beige" is following: 1013>9001>9002 (If there will be 9002 chosen, I'll most likely switch to nickel or inox finish)
I have pretty much the same opinion. I just checked if I wrote that lol
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 11:51:41
Colors & finish options are (almost) set:

guys, thanks a lot for the feedback. this really helps making decisions. looks like there are not many variables left now.
regarding black. yes, the arguments for black some of you brought forward are good, black really should not be left out. I'll manage four color options.
the only question left for powder coats is which of the three RAL options for beige. when I get back the next protos including RAL1013 I can put the three options side by side in pictures and then we can vote.

powder coating color options (all feinstruktur):
- classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002)
- dolch / gray (RAL7039)
- yellow (RAL1023)
- black

stainless steel will be bead blasted and have the nickel treatment.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 12:04:27
Early bird funding for 3rd prototype batch:

I had already mentioned it here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854665#msg2854665), the data is ready for the order to be made. I have just reopened the same form which I had used for the last early bird funding round. I'll keep my eyes on it and close it after around ten entries.

Early bird form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScsJYeGLBiWabtFrT4KPCBkRNrWhQHy-X6YN3Xgjv8hnGryoQ/viewform?usp=sf_link)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: Hell-es on Sun, 19 January 2020, 12:12:25
Good luck for the new yearly birds.


Ok - stainless stell nickel it will be then... saves times deciding between the 2 options.

Most likely TKL - now just waiting   :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sun, 19 January 2020, 12:42:30
Colors & finish options are (almost) set:

guys, thanks a lot for the feedback. this really helps making decisions. looks like there are not many variables left now.
regarding black. yes, the arguments for black some of you brought forward are good, black really should not be left out. I'll manage four color options.
the only question left for powder coats is which of the three RAL options for beige. when I get back the next protos including RAL1013 I can put the three options side by side in pictures and then we can vote.

powder coating color options (all feinstruktur):
- classic beige (RAL1013 or RAL9001 or RAL9002)
- dolch / gray (RAL7039)
- yellow (RAL1023)
- black

stainless steel will be bead blasted and have the nickel treatment.

Does this mean RAL 6027 has been dropped? Oof. Sad to see it go. I think managing 4 colors and a nickel-treated steel provides a good range of options though.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 13:20:25
yes, yellow is the one popping color option now. looking at the linked GBs in your signature, I can see why RAL6027 would have been really nice for you - sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: honoka on Sun, 19 January 2020, 13:31:17
Early bird form filled in!
Invoice approx when?

Edit: nvm, got email saying soon
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 14:28:58
tomorrow, i think.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: d00deitsnik on Sun, 19 January 2020, 18:22:26
yes, yellow is the one popping color option now. looking at the linked GBs in your signature, I can see why RAL6027 would have been really nice for you - sorry.

No apologies necessary. I'm just glad I could be involved with the things you're making. And the yellow is a pretty awesome color.

If it's not too late, I'd like to add a +1 to the Boardwalk support too.

And one more question.. When this goes live, will you be doing a limited GB or will we be able to buy more than one size/color?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 18:44:48
Boardwalk, not too late. It would just be another plate and I had already made this plate for SKB1. I'll evaluate it.

If you want more than one, sure you will be able to order more, I won't limit that. Overall there will have to be a limit of course but I don't know jet where that will be. SKB1 were a little over 200 participants with over 250 cases (quite a few bought more than one case). The IC form for SKB2 has already over 350 submissions. I know well that IC form submissions don't mean much, that's why I didn't even require people to leave their email in there. It helps me to plan ahead and get a feeling for what's to come. It sure look like I will have to set an overall limit.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:11:13
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: perry4761 on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:16:32
Just filled the Early Bird form! Is there a discord we can follow for this build? Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but 10 pages is kind of a lot to read through
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:18:26
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?

I detailed it in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:23:46
Just filled the Early Bird form! Is there a discord we can follow for this build? Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but 10 pages is kind of a lot to read through

I know it is a lot. The "update" section in the start post should help you find the most relevant info/posts throughout the thread. in the "todo" section I mention that I'm planing a discord server for the GB. in short: no discord jet, but when the GB starts I'll have one ready. for now everything happens here.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:30:32
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?

I detailed it in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256).

Sorry, I read that post and it's still not clear; it just says something about free shipping. Is the early bird price subtracted from the group buy price?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 19 January 2020, 19:34:43
The "early bird" form is €110, does that mean people who join will have a €110 discount on their GB order?

I detailed it in this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836256#msg2836256).

Sorry, I read that post and it's still not clear; it just says something about free shipping. Is the early bird price subtracted from the group buy price?

No problem, I clarified it here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2836517#msg2836517) some more.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Funkzilla on Mon, 20 January 2020, 00:19:53
Jumped into the early bird and praying for the 1800 lol
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: templa23 on Mon, 20 January 2020, 00:22:18
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: raptorzoz on Mon, 20 January 2020, 00:30:33
Yeah I'd really like an 1800 too, depending on the price of course, otherwise I'm in for the WKL TKL
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Mon, 20 January 2020, 01:49:14
Great updates. I think RAMA Heavy Industry will also be a good match for the yellow SKB2.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Mon, 20 January 2020, 01:50:32
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)

Yes, in two versions. Compact 75% is coming with the regular GB, and a more spaced version a little later due to the PCB not being ready in time. Check earlier posts for details.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: templa23 on Mon, 20 January 2020, 02:21:21
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)

Yes, in two versions. Compact 75% is coming with the regular GB, and a more spaced version a little later due to the PCB not being ready in time. Check earlier posts for details.

nice, he did mention that the more spaced version might be done in time for the GB so hoping for that one, but i'm content with either one
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 03:47:30
signed up for the early bird form, can't wait to get my first 75% board (75% is confirmed right?)

Yes, in two versions. Compact 75% is coming with the regular GB, and a more spaced version a little later due to the PCB not being ready in time. Check earlier posts for details.

now it looks like it might be ready earlier. will have a more definitive answer regarding which 75% version it will be soon.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 03:55:47
Early birds form for 3rd prototype batch closed:

Happy to see that it was achieved quickly like the last time. I found a plugin that closed the form automatically after a given amount of entries, much better this way.
Early bird invoices go out later this day.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Liub on Mon, 20 January 2020, 03:57:20
I'm on vacay and missed on the latest round of early bird... Any chance of sneaking me in? Can pay immediately.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 03:59:52
Sorry, prototypes are safely funded now.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: raptorzoz on Mon, 20 January 2020, 04:06:07
Early birds form for 3rd prototype batch closed:

Happy to see that it was achieved quickly like the last time. I found a plugin that closed the form automatically after a given amount of entries, much better this way.
Early bird invoices go out later this day.

How long do we have to pay the invoice?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: raptorzoz on Mon, 20 January 2020, 04:06:44
Early birds form for 3rd prototype batch closed:

Happy to see that it was achieved quickly like the last time. I found a plugin that closed the form automatically after a given amount of entries, much better this way.
Early bird invoices go out later this day.

How long do we have to pay the invoice?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 04:18:59
how  long? you mean till when?
hopefully immediately. when the invoices are paid I will place the order for next prototype batch. it is in the interest of the whole GB to handle it quickly. though I don't need to wait for every single invoice to be paid immediately to place the order, I don't have to pay up front. I won't be too strict if one or two need some more time. it would certainly be appreciated if this goes smoothly.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: benfrain on Mon, 20 January 2020, 05:08:07
Sorry, prototypes are safely funded now.
Have all the PayPal invoices been sent? Thought I was quick off the mark but it seems not quick enough!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 05:09:59
I'm not that quick.
I'll be able to send out the invoices later today.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:35:50
Missed the early bird again... Dang... Gonna wait for round 3? Can I just pay first until you decide on more proto? Cos I only check in every other day and the difference in timezone doesn't help being notified...

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:42:28
Could not find it anywhere so here's my question: will the TKL be compatible to any existing PCB and/or will the newly designed PCB support LEDs?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 08:06:21
Maarten is developing the TKL pcb, the Eon87.
He already has gotten the prototypes and soldered them.
Currently he is working on the firmware.

Here are the layouts it will support:
[attach=1]

Since the case is a top mount construction and has pretty wide bezels, you will be able to fit any tkl PCB in there as long as it has the usb-plug at the standard tkl position. top row has to be 0.25U offset. Maartens Eon87 does have underglow LEDs but the SKB2 does not care for LED lighting AT ALL. It is a full steel enclosure, no shine through parts.

Here is a picture of the latest Eon87 prototype:
[attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Liub on Mon, 20 January 2020, 11:20:56
Really looking forward to this, hopefully get to pick up two colours!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Mon, 20 January 2020, 13:10:41
[...]Maartens Eon87 does have underglow LEDs but the SKB2 does not care for LED lighting AT ALL. It is a full steel enclosure, no shine through parts.[...]

Thanks for the answer. So no support for in-switch LEDs, correct? Even though this is a fully enclosed case, there would probably some light emission but it's not that important. I do have RGB LEDs for my Ducky One, which is nice, but I can live without. :-)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 13:25:20
Correct, no through-hole / in-switch LEDs.
Yes, some light might peak out, that's why I would recommend to immediately deactivate the standard QMK setting (RGB on) when making your keymap.
Please excuse my slight hostility towards LED stuff. Don't want to offend anyone, I just don't want to support it when I'm not a fan of it. It makes more sense when the whole concept has integrated lighting in mind and there are some great projects to that regard.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Mon, 20 January 2020, 13:35:45
Please excuse my slight hostility towards LED stuff. Don't want to offend anyone, I just don't want to support it when I'm not a fan of it.

No offense taken, I guess there is a time and place for LEDs and this it is not.  :cool:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 20 January 2020, 14:17:22
Is Maarten able to offer a TA-65 with usb-c? If not, then the XD68 from here (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33001070473.html) should fit just fine right? Just want to know so it arrives in time. Thanks.

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: maartenwut on Mon, 20 January 2020, 14:43:21
Is Maarten able to offer a TA-65 with usb-c? If not, then the XD68 from here (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33001070473.html) should fit just fine right? Just want to know so it arrives in time. Thanks.

That might be a good idea to offer
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 15:14:32
...yep, 65% PCB will have USB-C. "Eon67" it will be called. I think this is good news for all who consider the 65% size.
Maarten  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:09:51
3rd prototype batch ordered

I have sent out the early bird invoices today. early birds have paid super quickly, great support guys, I have placed the order.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 25 January 2020, 16:15:46
About the plates

You know from the pictures in the start post that the plates have relief cuts around the mounting points. I tried different sizes, they all had much less of an impact that I was expecting. Since the case has big bezels, I thought why not use the room you have, so I tried the maximum amount of relief cuts. It's basically a thin strip that winds as much as possible in the available space. Want to show you what I got (obviously hasn't been surface treated jet):

(https://i.imgur.com/swpavSA.mp4) (I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/swpavSA)

Here you can also see one of the grommets getting seated:

(https://i.imgur.com/6Lg8wjP.mp4) (I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/6Lg8wjP)

Now before you all scream "I-WANT-THAT", please read my thoughts about this:
I have put the plate into a case and put switched and caps on. It's not a complete build but I can tell that when typing you won't be able to tell this plate with super long and winding relief cuts apart from one without them. If you press down on all keys with both hands then you do feel is, the plate can be pressed down. But in terms of typing - there is no effect for me noticeable.
Isolating the plate from the case via the grommet is much more noticeable compared to going metal on metal with the mounting. Maybe using grommets has a lesser effect in CNC milled cases but for my type of case, the isolation mounting has a big and satisfactory impact.

Not only is the impact of the winding relief cut hardly noticeable, it also brings problems in terms of manufacturing, transportation and handling. The thin strips are quite fragile and I fear if I would have a lot produced like that, quite a few might end up broken.
So even if this looks like something you might want to have in your plate, I have to say that this kind of cut is in my opinion neither a noticeable nor a feasible solution.
I will do relief cuts but not like this.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: benfrain on Sat, 25 January 2020, 16:20:34
My 2p: I'm not fussed about those cuts; looks a little too intricate for my liking. Feels like something waiting to break!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 25 January 2020, 18:46:06
About the plates

You know from the pictures in the start post that the plates have relief cuts around the mounting points. I tried different sizes, they all had much less of an impact that I was expecting. Since the case has big bezels, I thought why not use the room you have, so I tried the maximum amount of relief cuts. It's basically a thin strip that winds as much as possible in the available space. Want to show you what I got (obviously hasn't been surface treated jet):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/swpavSA.mp4)
(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/swpavSA)

Here you can also see one of the grommets getting seated:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6Lg8wjP.mp4)
(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/6Lg8wjP)

Now before you all scream "I-WANT-THAT", please read my thoughts about this:
I have put the plate into a case and put switched and caps on. It's not a complete build but I can tell that when typing you won't be able to tell this plate with super long and winding relief cuts apart from one without them. If you press down on all keys with both hands then you do feel is, the plate can be pressed down. But in terms of typing - there is no effect for me noticeable.
Isolating the plate from the case via the grommet is much more noticeable compared to going metal on metal with the mounting. Maybe using grommets has a lesser effect in CNC milled cases but for my type of case, the isolation mounting has a big and satisfactory impact.

Not only is the impact of the winding relief cut hardly noticeable, it also brings problems in terms of manufacturing, transportation and handling. The thin strips are quite fragile and I fear if I would have a lot produced like that, quite a few might end up broken.
So even if this looks like something you might want to have in your plate, I have to say that this kind of cut is in my opinion neither a noticeable nor a feasible solution.
I will do relief cuts but not like this.
If it does not add anything to the typing experience, let's forget about it and try to add flex another way.
This is totally fine with me.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 January 2020, 19:09:50
I feel like the board doesn't necessarily need any more flex than what is already provided by the mounting system - granted obviously I have no typed on the board and I'll likely try and get hold of the plate files to have laserboost or someone cut me a POM plate for a second PCB, I'm not sure that really is the ethos of the SKB line.

I'm just glad Plastik is trying all sorts of cool **** with the funded prototype runs, it's very refreshing to see exactly where the money's going and helping gain a lot of ground/knowledge prior to declaring the design final.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 25 January 2020, 19:14:00
I feel like the board doesn't necessarily need any more flex than what is already provided by the mounting system - granted obviously I have no typed on the board and I'll likely try and get hold of the plate files to have laserboost or someone cut me a POM plate for a second PCB, I'm not sure that really is the ethos of the SKB line.

I'm just glad Plastik is trying all sorts of cool **** with the funded prototype runs, it's very refreshing to see exactly where the money's going and helping gain a lot of ground/knowledge prior to declaring the design final.
Well said
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 26 January 2020, 08:51:17
also trying out different switch cutout sizes and radiuses:

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 26 January 2020, 08:54:59
Thanks for sharing all the steps.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 26 January 2020, 11:26:30
My question about the plates is, is it possible to order an "extrawurst" special plate layout that probably nobody else wants? Or will the plate that's offered with the 60 layouts support all layouts at the same time anyway (6.25u and 7u spacebar)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Sun, 26 January 2020, 13:36:37
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.

Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.

Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: honoka on Sun, 26 January 2020, 15:08:22
Even though I dont agree with your suggestion you could probably mount magnets on the inside that could attract the wrist wrest.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Sun, 26 January 2020, 23:47:58
I just realized that would be a very bad idea if one is wearing a mechanical watch. :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: honoka on Mon, 27 January 2020, 07:26:47
magnetism is a decievingly weak force. your watch would be fine
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 27 January 2020, 13:08:47
Too bad the material used is not ferrous

It definitely is ferrous. The whole point of SKB2 is that it's made of ferrous steel. Only the stainless version might be non-ferrous, and even that is unlikely since I'm guessing he's using 18-8 stainless which is mildly magnetic. Only something like 316 would be completely non-magnetic.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 27 January 2020, 13:23:59
@PlastikSchnittstelle Are the plates going to support Maarten's switch top openers (https://maartenwut.com/product/switch-openers/)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:04:17
My question about the plates is, is it possible to order an "extrawurst" special plate layout that probably nobody else wants? Or will the plate that's offered with the 60 layouts support all layouts at the same time anyway (6.25u and 7u spacebar)?

The 60% plate will support all the layouts that the Plain60-C PCB supports. Here you can see the layouts:

[attach=1]

During the SKB1 GB I made custom plate DXF for everyone who asked for it. Quite a lot got their own plate this way. I'm planning to offer my help the same way again. Maybe this time a custom plate service that not only gets you the file but a physical plate instead, not sure about that yet. Unified plates might look all the same to many but there are quite a few details to be aware of and I think the plate that will be the standard option will satisfy you very much.
Since I wasn't happy with the "winding relief cut", I already updated it and ordered again. The upcoming 60% plate will look like this (may change again if I don't like it):

[attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:13:22
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.

Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.

Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: steezkeez on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:20:18

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)


That is INSANE. I would be so in for one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:20:32
Too bad the material used is not ferrous

It definitely is ferrous. The whole point of SKB2 is that it's made of ferrous steel. Only the stainless version might be non-ferrous, and even that is unlikely since I'm guessing he's using 18-8 stainless which is mildly magnetic. Only something like 316 would be completely non-magnetic.

the stainless steel version will be made of V2A.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:26:38
@PlastikSchnittstelle Are the plates going to support Maarten's switch top openers (https://maartenwut.com/product/switch-openers/)?

sorry, I don't like the cutouts to allow for switch top removal. I want the switch to sit tight. you'll need to get your switches right before you build.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:28:50
the stainless steel version will be made of V2A.

Ahh so 18-10 in american designation. I was close  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: kaisn on Mon, 27 January 2020, 14:43:43
Ai gude, schaut fein aus.

I will join if my wallet will allow it
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 27 January 2020, 15:13:06
During the SKB1 GB I made custom plate DXF for everyone who asked for it. Quite a lot got their own plate this way. I'm planning to offer my help the same way again. Maybe this time a custom plate service that not only gets you the file but a physical plate instead, not sure about that yet.

That'd make my life way easier, it's not that much of a hassle to go to Laserboost and do it that way but regardless.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Tue, 28 January 2020, 02:28:12
Too bad the material used is not ferrous

It definitely is ferrous. The whole point of SKB2 is that it's made of ferrous steel. Only the stainless version might be non-ferrous, and even that is unlikely since I'm guessing he's using 18-8 stainless which is mildly magnetic. Only something like 316 would be completely non-magnetic.

Thanks for clarifying, that makes sense.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Tue, 28 January 2020, 02:35:27

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)


Thanks, I'm not feeling so lonely any more.  :D

An add-on palm rest for the existing design that would get you close to the one depicted above would be most welcome. Not a deal breaker by any means, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to get one done myself, but definitely easier to get it a s a bundle....if there is interest of course.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Tue, 28 January 2020, 04:33:01
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.

Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.

Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)


This looks awesome, although I can see a few limitations right off:

Maybe if the palm rest is semi-rigidly attached in some way that allows changing the angle...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Tue, 28 January 2020, 06:22:55
Have you thought about a 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 bottom row (like Koyu) support on the 65%? Dream layout, but there aren’t any decently priced ones on the market

 :(
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 28 January 2020, 10:32:48
I would have hoped for a bit more bezel but I am aware this probably puts me in the minority...but I am definitely in. However something just struck me.

Please consider offering an add on folded palm rest, just a simple wedge shaped profile that would go along nicely with the case. Should be easy to manufacture and not too expensive.

Too bad the material used is not ferrous as it would be possible to use magnets to attach the palm rest to the case. Maybe still a possibility somehow, hmmm...

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)


This looks awesome, although I can see a few limitations right off:
  • If the feet at the front are at the edge of the palm rest, it would be very difficult to angle the board, i.e. the feet at the back would have to be way bigger to allow the same angles
  • If the feet at the front are where they usually would be (without the palm rest), the palm rest would stick out in the lowest angle setting and would probably tilt the keyboard when you rest your hands on it (unless of course there are feet there too, which would mean one extra pair of feet for each angle setting)

Maybe if the palm rest is semi-rigidly attached in some way that allows changing the angle...

The front row height is already very low so I personally don't see the need for a wrist rest. The design is already set and either adding a separate wrist rest or integrating it - it is both something that should be considered from the beginning. Too late to add it now. I may explore this in the future. Not for this run, already a  lot of different versions and sizes.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 28 January 2020, 10:36:09
Have you thought about a 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 bottom row (like Koyu) support on the 65%? Dream layout, but there aren’t any decently priced ones on the market

 :(

Have you seen the 65% PCB from Maarten (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/)? It does support exactly that layout. Tsangan bottom row for 65%. For this GB he'll design a new 65% PCB, same layouts like his Ta-65 PCB, it will get USB-C and will be called "Eon67". Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923).

Here you can see the supported layouts:

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Tue, 28 January 2020, 11:44:38
Have you seen the 65% PCB from Maarten (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/)? It does support exactly that layout. Tsangan bottom row for 65%. For this GB he'll design a new 65% PCB, same layouts like his Ta-65 PCB, it will get USB-C and will be called "Eon67". Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923).

Here you can see the supported layouts:

(Attachment Link)

Any hope for Boardwalk support? I know it is being evaluated, really hoping for it. Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BigLeageChew on Tue, 28 January 2020, 19:09:13
I put down for 65% with blockers. I would buy a TKL with Blockers in an instant too!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: malde on Wed, 29 January 2020, 06:10:13
Have you thought about a 1.5 1 1.5 7 1.5 bottom row (like Koyu) support on the 65%? Dream layout, but there aren’t any decently priced ones on the market

 :(

Have you seen the 65% PCB from Maarten (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65/)? It does support exactly that layout. Tsangan bottom row for 65%. For this GB he'll design a new 65% PCB, same layouts like his Ta-65 PCB, it will get USB-C and will be called "Eon67". Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923).

Here you can see the supported layouts:

(Attachment Link)

How will the plates accomodate that?
Will the plate support all layouts possible on the pcb or will there be fixed layouts to choose from (for example ISO plate, ANSI plate, etc.)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 January 2020, 07:12:11
The usual way, like it's done with most other custom cases.
Unified plate.

Here you can see two different prototypes, the lower one is newer and not jet surface treated:

[attach=1]

An updated design is already ordered, it will look like this:

[attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 January 2020, 08:25:10
Some desk pictures

Sorry, still haven't had time to do good pictures of the current prototypes. Since the 3rd prototype batch will be ready in about two weeks from now, I'll wait until I get it and then get pictures made from all. Will need to get some more keycap sets until then.

Until then, I managed to get just enough light on my desk to make at least a few ok shots. Honestly, I was unsure if I should post them because the light is obviously still bad but you should be able to get an idea of how it might look on your desk:

(https://i.imgur.com/UDOW2BJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/bQnCOn9.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/wADn2IQ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/qPxEA7Z.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/B2MJdz2.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kQMmGUi.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/e8ZphNY.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/u0Laa90.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cdlYVKF.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/rc7wzty.jpg)

Btw, I only use R5 bottom row. That RGB-MOD is from a GB quite a while ago that included 1.5U R5. Another one that will also include 1.25U R5 is currently in IC, over here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103517.0).
I'm very happy with the deep black zink surface treatment of the plates.
60% is RAL9001, 65% is RAL9002. Next prototypes will include RAL1013.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Biased opinion on Wed, 29 January 2020, 09:20:03
I would be down with a full size or TKL with an integrated wrist rest in a future run. Brings back memories of the Steelseries 7G
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: malde on Wed, 29 January 2020, 09:44:01
The usual way, like it's done with most other custom cases.
Unified plate.

Here you can see two different prototypes, the lower one is newer and not jet surface treated:

(Attachment Link)

An updated design is already ordered, it will look like this:

(Attachment Link)

Perfect, that's what I've hoped.
100% in for the yellow 65% with blockers.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:37:34
Any hope for Boardwalk support? I know it is being evaluated, really hoping for it. Thanks!

Just wanted to ask Shensmobile if he's fine with it. He is absolutely fine with it, in fact he's planning another run of Boardwalk PCBs.

Yes, SKB2-60 Boardwalk is now confirmed.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: NathanielGoodtimes on Wed, 29 January 2020, 10:50:41

I LIKE BIG Bezels...

yeah, me too :)

I actually had shown such a design back in the IC for the SKB1. the top part had the rest included. I might experiment with it again, not sure atm. see (oh, already three years old now):

Show Image
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=92403.0;attach=181459;image)


That is INSANE. I would be so in for one.

THIS LOOKS AMAZING!
Love the wrist wrest.
Love the 65ish%
THIS!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Riba on Wed, 29 January 2020, 11:25:08
Any hope for Boardwalk support? I know it is being evaluated, really hoping for it. Thanks!

Just wanted to ask Shensmobile if he's fine with it. He is absolutely fine with it, in fact he's planning another run of Boardwalk PCBs.

Yes, SKB2-60 Boardwalk is now confirmed.

 :thumb: Fantastic!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:18:44
RAL colors and glossy coating

I've been to the company that is doing the powder coating. We've discussed the glossy coating. I won't go into detail but basically a perfectly even surface with glossy is not simple and the outcome depends on various factors.
Earlier here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2854667#msg2854667) I had already concluded that the interest for Finstruktur is much higher anyway, which is why it will be the only option.

Looks like these will be the available RAL options (all Feinstruktur):
- Classic Beige: RAL9001 or RAL9002 or RAL1013 (vote will decide)
- Gray / Dolch: RAL7039
- Black: RAL9005
- Yellow: RAL1023 (waiting for the next protos to confirm this)

...and of course the nickel coated, bead blasted, stainless steel version
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:45:35
Will voting for beige be excluding (only one color may be chosen) or we will be able prioritize the colors (most desired option, second best option and least preferred option)?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:48:51
I think the latter makes more sense.
Multivote.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Howgii on Wed, 29 January 2020, 12:58:13
The 1800 layout looks really cool, and I would love to have a powder coated beige one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Hell-es on Wed, 29 January 2020, 13:00:32
Again big  :thumb: for communication and details.

Really happy that i already got in - this gets better and better with every update
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Thu, 30 January 2020, 05:34:23
Currently the supported layouts are potentially only 65%, TKL,? Any 1800 or full size?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 30 January 2020, 06:12:03
I regularly update the start post ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Thu, 30 January 2020, 11:38:24
No e-white color? :c
Rest of the colors look great tho, keep up the great work!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Thu, 30 January 2020, 17:17:12
I regularly update the start post ;)
Opps.. My first time following an IC so closely so quite  noobish about it.. Will check the first post next time! Sorry!


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bisoromi on Thu, 30 January 2020, 17:29:47
Very interested in the TKL!! Excited to see the prototypes for it :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 30 January 2020, 17:31:49
The usual way, like it's done with most other custom cases.
Unified plate.

Here you can see two different prototypes, the lower one is newer and not jet surface treated:

(Attachment Link)

An updated design is already ordered, it will look like this:

(Attachment Link)

Can you speak to how these the different plate designs felt? Really curious what the results were and why you chose to make the changes to the cutout design you did. I'm also interested in snagging a TKL.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 30 January 2020, 18:06:17
Yes, I had written about the plates back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2857854#msg2857854). I'll report again when I get the new ones.
I know, it's a long thread, easy to miss a lot of stuff.
For those of you who only check back occasionally, the update section in the start post links to the important posts throughout the thread.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 01:01:29
when is the next early bird? :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 31 January 2020, 12:51:07
Yes, I had written about the plates back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2857854#msg2857854). I'll report again when I get the new ones.
I know, it's a long thread, easy to miss a lot of stuff.
For those of you who only check back occasionally, the update section in the start post links to the important posts throughout the thread.

Thanks for the link I apologize for missing it I read the thread but must have missed that one. Interesting to read. I guess the relief cuts make less of a difference on these steel plates since they're so much stiffer by themselves already that even with there being only a little piece connecting the inner and outer regions of the plate it didn't significantly impact it.

Is structural integrity a bit concern? I had thought for steel it was strong enough to not really have to worry about it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bisoromi on Fri, 31 January 2020, 13:18:22
I may not have looked hard enough but are there any pics of the bottom of the boards? Just curious as to where the bumpon/feet will be and how it'd sit on the desk.


when is the next early bird? :p :p

Also wondering this ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: norb on Fri, 31 January 2020, 13:42:18
from my understanding there will be no more early bird rounds, after three prototypes the next step will be the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 31 January 2020, 15:56:04
I guess the relief cuts make less of a difference on these steel plates since they're so much stiffer by themselves already that even with there being only a little piece connecting the inner and outer regions of the plate it didn't significantly impact it.

Look, here are two brass plates I have had done:

[attach=1]

Yes, I also have had brass plates made, just to get to know the difference. Same relief cuts. Although I have not jet made a complete build with it, I can tell that there is almost no noticeable different compared to the same plate in steel (I don't have it with the superlong and winded cut, that I can't compare atm). Brass feeling so much better is a totally overblown statement that many take much too serious. I bet that in a blind test of two boards that are built identical (same case, switches, caps) with the only difference being one has a brass the other one a steel plate, most would not be able to tell them apart. Some who make a lot of builds may be able to.

IMO the difference between brass and steel is negligible. Though to be fair and like I have mentioned, I haven't done a complete build with the brass plate jet, so there is still a possibility my opinion on this might shift a bit, but I doubt it would be much.

Apart from feel, what I personally don't like about having a brass plate in my keyboard is the fact that the golden shiny look makes me think of a rapper showing me his gold teeth. That gold bling bling looks terrible to me. I know, it is possible to bead blast the brass plate so it will loose the reflectivity and then further give it a black coating. But that is quite pricy and the small difference in feel would not justify that imo, not for a custom that aims to be more affordable. For a very high end custom, yes, sure, every bit of improvement, even if it is just small, is justified.

Is structural integrity a bit concern?

NO, it is not a concern. Not at all. If it would be, I would make changes. This thing is brutal.
Just look a chart that compares the density or weight of metals. Compare alu to steel. Oh, and when you look at that chart, please also compare steel to brass ;)

Before the GB starts, will send the protos to reviewers who can give their opinion about the board, so you don't need to rely on my word.

I totally appreciate your questions, they are totally reasonable to ask and should be ask. Thanks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 31 January 2020, 15:59:25
I may not have looked hard enough but are there any pics of the bottom of the boards? Just curious as to where the bumpon/feet will be and how it'd sit on the desk.

too dark and late here now for pictures. will have pics of the bottom probably by sunday or monday.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 31 January 2020, 16:03:40
from my understanding there will be no more early bird rounds, after three prototypes the next step will be the GB.

yes, there is nothing left to be changed now. just if the pcb for the 75% looks to be ready in time I might have to do a quick proto of that size as well. other than that I'm making preparations for the gb. but these preparations take some time as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 31 January 2020, 17:21:34
Personally agree on the brass plate aesthetic. I know some like it but I also dislike it. Have it on a build I’m doing at the minute and feel it cheapens the look.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Acereconkeys on Fri, 31 January 2020, 20:31:56
I guess the relief cuts make less of a difference on these steel plates since they're so much stiffer by themselves already that even with there being only a little piece connecting the inner and outer regions of the plate it didn't significantly impact it.

Look, here are two brass plates I have had done:

(Attachment Link)

Yes, I also have had brass plates made, just to get to know the difference. Same relief cuts. Although I have not jet made a complete build with it, I can tell that there is almost no noticeable different compared to the same plate in steel (I don't have it with the superlong and winded cut, that I can't compare atm). Brass feeling so much better is a totally overblown statement that many take much too serious. I bet that in a blind test of two boards that are built identical (same case, switches, caps) with the only difference being one has a brass the other one a steel plate, most would not be able to tell them apart. Some who make a lot of builds may be able to.

IMO the difference between brass and steel is negligible. Though to be fair and like I have mentioned, I haven't done a complete build with the brass plate jet, so there is still a possibility my opinion on this might shift a bit, but I doubt it would be much.

Apart from feel, what I personally don't like about having a brass plate in my keyboard is the fact that the golden shiny look makes me think of a rapper showing me his gold teeth. That gold bling bling looks terrible to me. I know, it is possible to bead blast the brass plate so it will loose the reflectivity and then further give it a black coating. But that is quite pricy and the small difference in feel would not justify that imo, not for a custom that aims to be more affordable. For a very high end custom, yes, sure, every bit of improvement, even if it is just small, is justified.

Is structural integrity a bit concern?

NO, it is not a concern. Not at all. If it would be, I would make changes. This thing is brutal.
Just look a chart that compares the density or weight of metals. Compare alu to steel. Oh, and when you look at that chart, please also compare steel to brass ;)

Before the GB starts, will send the protos to reviewers who can give their opinion about the board, so you don't need to rely on my word.

I totally appreciate your questions, they are totally reasonable to ask and should be ask. Thanks.

Thanks so much for getting into this with me I am not trying to question or doubt your work just understand for myself!

Have you done that kind of blind testing for aluminum vs brass/steel? The other case that I saw using this similar style of relief cuts on the plate (the community seems to refer to it as leaf spring) was the thermal. That board used aluminum in its plates. I don't know if that decision was for the reasons you described but I wouldn't be surprised. The stiffer the base material the less important having the bridge that connects the inner/outer pieces of the plate be thin is. Hope that makes sense!

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 01 February 2020, 10:56:12
Have you done that kind of blind testing for aluminum vs brass/steel?

Alu, no haven't tried one for this project. I have ever only used an alu plate once. No side by side comparison. It is really difficult to quantify the difference if you don't compare them in the same kind of builds side by side, I think. In theory (comparing density of the materials) alu should let you feel more of a difference compared to brass/steel. Apart from the plate feeling, I can compare the SKB1 (which was made of alu) against the SKB2 (which is made of steel but also slightly different construction). The difference is absolutely huge, it is something completely different.

The other case that I saw using this similar style of relief cuts on the plate (the community seems to refer to it as leaf spring) was the thermal. That board used aluminum in its plates. I don't know if that decision was for the reasons you described but I wouldn't be surprised. The stiffer the base material the less important having the bridge that connects the inner/outer pieces of the plate be thin is. Hope that makes sense!

Yes, I've seen the term "leaf spring" being used for this kind of cut. I googled leaf spring but what I find is something different. The way I see it, this term does not apply here. How do I think would this cut behave in alu? Hard to say, I think it would be more fragile and break easily, but I can't really say.
Yes, the relation of stiffness & thickness makes sense to me. I just think that what is correct in theory does have a much lesser impact in reality than one might expect. Also keep in mind that we are not typing on just the plate itself. After the plate is sandwiched between switches and pcb, that entire thing becomes something very compact and the effect of the plate material is less noticeable probably for that reason as well.

Let me clarify that I don't think brass is generally something ugly to me. Seeing a nicely treated brass plate by itself or as weight in a milled alu bottom piece is always absolutely astonishing to watch, it's hard not to like that. Just the shiny brass reflecting between plastic keycaps is what does not fit for me. I prefer the classic beige stuff most of the time, this just isn't a good match with the look of brass. However there are keycap sets that do indeed look good with a brass plate peeking through. So, in the right combination, even I would appreciate a brass plate :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: cadrev on Sat, 01 February 2020, 15:30:59
Can we have a typing video? I want to know how it sounds like :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 01 February 2020, 15:39:13
Would you be able to use something like a ISO HS60 v3 with this case/plate combo?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Handke on Mon, 03 February 2020, 07:24:58
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.

Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Mon, 03 February 2020, 08:48:57
I think bezels are nice tho! If resting off the bezels are tough then we can always make them bigger and nicer to rest on! :)

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Mon, 03 February 2020, 11:09:47
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.

Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Handke on Tue, 04 February 2020, 03:45:25
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.

Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.

My posture isn't unhealthy at all. When I don't type I rest my hand on the desk, like you rest your hands on the desk when you study or when you write, or when you don't use the mouse. And when I start to type, the bezel gets always in the way even if I keep my hands aligned with my elbow. So, no. I'm doing nothing wrong. Probably the solution is a bigger bezel. Like a 5 ÷ 10 cm bezel. Or no bezel  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Tue, 04 February 2020, 04:26:33
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.

Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.
My posture isn't unhealthy at all. When I don't type I rest my hand on the desk, like you rest your hands on the desk when you study or when you write, or when you don't use the mouse. And when I start to type, the bezel gets always in the way even if I keep my hands aligned with my elbow. So, no. I'm doing nothing wrong. Probably the solution is a bigger bezel. Like a 5 ÷ 10 cm bezel. Or no bezel  :p
Maybe I understood you incorrectly :/ But if a bezel is getting in the way, you can't really have anything close to a straight line from your elbow to your fingers, no? You must significantly bend your wrist?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:12:45
I may not have looked hard enough but are there any pics of the bottom of the boards? Just curious as to where the bumpon/feet will be and how it'd sit on the desk.

Here you can see the bottom. This is one from proto batch 2, SKB2-65. The big holes are just from me to be able to have a look inside the case and see if the PCB touches the bottom or not. Will obviously not be present in the final design. The size of the cutouts for screw access may change slightly.

[attach=1] [attach=2]

There are no sticky feet! The grommets do everything here. They are used to mount the plate isolated from the case, they are in the sides where the top and bottom piece are screwed together and they act as feet. Six positions, the three on the back end are only relevant if you use the 6 degree angle, in this position the uni-foot is completely retracted (possible angels: 6, 8, 10 and 12 degrees).

This explosion in an earlier post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2829764#msg2829764) might also be helpful to get an idea of the bottom.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:15:27
Can we have a typing video? I want to know how it sounds like :D

Me uploading a typing video does not make a lot of sense, imo. I only have a phone to record and for that I don't even have a good stand. As I had mentioned before, I'll send out boards to review, that will be a good opportunity for a typing test.

Anyway, I made one. Cheap Gateron black switches, lubed:

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:18:37
Would you be able to use something like a ISO HS60 v3 with this case/plate combo?

PCBs from Maartenwut will be available to add. If you want to use a different PCB, that's fine. Since this is a top mount construction and the bezels are pretty wide, you don't need to worry about compatibility a lot. Obviously the usb port hast to be at the correct position and the plate should allow for the layout you want.

If you mean hotswapp PCBs, it should theoretically work but not as easy as with constructions that are made especially for hotswapping. I do have a hotswapp PCB incoming, I will test it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:20:18
Thanks for the update Chris.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:22:10
This project is fantastic, but I'm not sure that I'll join it for a simple reason, I hate bezels.

Right now I'm using a bezel-less gmmk keyboard, and it's such a joy to use when compared to a keyboard with a bezel, like the g80-3000. With that keyboard, my left-palm constantly touches the border, and when you rest your hands that border becomes really annoying. I wonder if the skb2 has the same problem of a g80. Judging by the dimensions it has. Correct me if I'm wrong! thanks
You're describing pretty unhealthy typing posture. Your palm shouldn't really be below the height of the keys when typing. Instead of searching for keyboards that accomodate your posture, you could try changing your posture a bit. Ideally there's a relatively straight line from your arm to your hand. In addition to more healthy wrists, you also get the advantage of being able to use big bezel bad boy boards like this one.

My posture isn't unhealthy at all. When I don't type I rest my hand on the desk, like you rest your hands on the desk when you study or when you write, or when you don't use the mouse. And when I start to type, the bezel gets always in the way even if I keep my hands aligned with my elbow. So, no. I'm doing nothing wrong. Probably the solution is a bigger bezel. Like a 5 ÷ 10 cm bezel. Or no bezel  :p

Whether tying on the SKB2 or one of my G80s, the bezels have never been noticeable or in the way or uncomfortable for me. Maybe we have different hands. Regarding the size, they are not as big a the bezels of a G80, it is a few millimeter less in both x and y.

More bezel, less bezel or no bezel at all is mostly a design choice for me.
Having a bezel is not a general problem of any keyboard, it is just your personal problem.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 04 February 2020, 06:51:53
Do you have any estimate on new protos? And will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Anthony9-4 on Tue, 04 February 2020, 09:25:32
Do you have any estimate on new protos? And will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?
Read the first post. "still made in Germany but different manufacturer"
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Tue, 04 February 2020, 09:26:16
Any updates on the 1800-but-not-really layout? 96key? Like the design a lot, might be in for the 75% if the 1800/96/whatever it is gets made
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 09:42:42
Do you have any estimate on new protos? And will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?
Read the first post. "still made in Germany but different manufacturer"

The "made in Germany" only refers to the case, not the PCB.
Don't know if this will be an issue, I'll discuss this with Maarten.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 04 February 2020, 13:41:37
Do you have any estimate on new protos?

Earliest end of next week, probably more the week after that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:08:32
Any updates on the 1800-but-not-really layout? 96key? Like the design a lot, might be in for the 75% if the 1800/96/whatever it is gets made

Yes, so there is a 75% (~82key) and 1800-ish (~98key) PCB in development but it will take a bit too long to be ready for the GB. They will be offered in a separate, later round. Too early for details now.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:12:36
will PCB manufacturing process be affected by situation in China?

We think probably not, maybe a slight delay but nothing drastic.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:16:28
Do you see any problems using Mill-Max 7305 with the case? I refrained from using them on the Gothic70 because it was not designed for it and other users confirmed it was not a good idea. I know SKB2 is a completely different construction but I want to make sure anyways.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:23:55
Should be fine. Because all of the prototype testing I ordered some TE 8134-HC-8P2 in hope to save some time with this. I'll report when I have made the first build with these sockets.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Wed, 05 February 2020, 13:40:42
Great, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Thu, 06 February 2020, 02:24:31
Any updates on the 1800-but-not-really layout? 96key? Like the design a lot, might be in for the 75% if the 1800/96/whatever it is gets made

Yes, so there is a 75% (~82key) and 1800-ish (~98key) PCB in development but it will take a bit too long to be ready for the GB. They will be offered in a separate, later round. Too early for details now.

Awesome, really hyped for the 98key then! Hope the SKB2 GB goes good and quick so the 98key can come fast!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: cadrev on Wed, 12 February 2020, 18:12:27
Can we have a typing video? I want to know how it sounds like :D

Me uploading a typing video does not make a lot of sense, imo. I only have a phone to record and for that I don't even have a good stand. As I had mentioned before, I'll send out boards to review, that will be a good opportunity for a typing test.

Anyway, I made one. Cheap Gateron black switches, lubed:


Nice! Can’t wait for the GB and I love the yellow version! This supports common 60% pcb’s right?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 13 February 2020, 07:31:07
Yes, standard 60% PCBs are supported. Since it is a top mount construction you don't need to worry about screw hole positions in the PCB.
You will have the option to add the the Plain60-C from Maartenwut (https://github.com/Maartenwut/plain60-c). It has USB-C and runs QMK. Here you can see the layouts which are supported by the PCB and the standard 60% plate:

[attach=1]

Here (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/bfbfno/a_ludicrously_sexy_pcb/) I found a nice picture of it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:26:00
Wob build:

Got back the case parts from powder coating. Still waiting for the inox parts that get nickel treated and the plates. I'm also waiting for some more keycaps to arrive. Need them because atm I don't have anything that would fit the yellow case. When I have everything, I'll take better pictures, not my backyard and poor lighted desk shots you are used from me so far. With what I have so far I made a wob build, RAL9005 Feinstruktur:

(https://i.imgur.com/WIPtxQA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/W6ReRTM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0YfiLHD.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/Zlc8tRG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0zDqWi4.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: benfrain on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:35:49
Looking great  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:42:00
Looking great  :thumb:
+1!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Sat, 15 February 2020, 11:27:17
Damn Plastik, I was so happy to finally have decided on the yellow SKB2. Now I see the black one ... I am so undecided.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 15 February 2020, 13:35:07
That is a nice black and a nice keyboard :cool:

@plastik
How deep is the black compared to the regular bead blasted R1 would you say?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 15 February 2020, 14:46:29
@plastik
How deep is the black compared to the regular bead blasted R1 would you say?

Although the I named this case SKB2, this GB should not be understood as second round. SKB2 keeps a few prominent design elements that were present in SKB1 but apart from that too much has changed to call it a "round 2".

The black of the SKB1 is something very different from the SKB2 black. SKB1 was made of aluminum, SKB2 is steel. SKB1 was anodized, SKB2 is powder coated. Black from anodizing can vary a lot, sometimes deeper sometimes not so deep. The prototype SKB1s all had a relatively deep black anodization. Sadly the production SKB1s anodizing turned out to be not that deep of a black.
A RAL color does not vary, you always get the same. All RAL colors also have a name, the name of RAL9005 is "Tiefschwarz", that translates to "deep black". It is the deepes black from the standard RAL colors. You can get the associated RGB values here (https://rgb.to/ral/9005). I think it is a really good match for GMK-CR, which we know as base color for common wob sets.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 15 February 2020, 15:22:30
@plastik
How deep is the black compared to the regular bead blasted R1 would you say?

Although the I named this case SKB2, this GB should not be understood as second round. SKB2 keeps a few prominent design elements that were present in SKB1 but apart from that too much has changed to call it a "round 2".

The black of the SKB1 is something very different from the SKB2 black. SKB1 was made of aluminum, SKB2 is steel. SKB1 was anodized, SKB2 is powder coated. Black from anodizing can vary a lot, sometimes deeper sometimes not so deep. The prototype SKB1s all had a relatively deep black anodization. Sadly the production SKB1s anodizing turned out to be not that deep of a black.
A RAL color does not vary, you always get the same. All RAL colors also have a name, the name of RAL9005 is "Tiefschwarz", that translates to "deep black". It is the deepes black from the standard RAL colors. You can get the associated RGB values here (https://rgb.to/ral/9005). I think it is a really good match for GMK-CR, which we know as base color for common wob sets.

uh oh, i started the German machine ^-^
didn't think to much, typing habit to differentiate easy, didn't wanna confuse if anyone is not fully aware of the difference in the versions. Sleeping in the hour as well on the anodization of the SKB1 :p
tho I personally like it on the SKB1, gives it a little more dusty look.

As you say, i just noticed as how close to CR that powder coat is on the SKB2 Proto. It looks really good Plastik :thumb:

 
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Sun, 16 February 2020, 08:48:06
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Sun, 16 February 2020, 13:43:21
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
do you have those keycaps already? I don't but I'm thinking about ordering them for my SKB2 as well, but it's a bit hard to judge if the caps look beige, or more like a cold grey. wondering if those would look good with a beige SKB2. what do you think?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 16 February 2020, 14:28:47
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
do you have those keycaps already? I don't but I'm thinking about ordering them for my SKB2 as well, but it's a bit hard to judge if the caps look beige, or more like a cold grey. wondering if those would look good with a beige SKB2. what do you think?

There's still no confirmed classic beige color for SKB2.
And yeah, dev/tty (at least R1 I had) are not cold gray.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PIZZAMACHINE on Sun, 16 February 2020, 15:24:08
Numpad version too?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Sun, 16 February 2020, 19:29:22
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!
do you have those keycaps already? I don't but I'm thinking about ordering them for my SKB2 as well, but it's a bit hard to judge if the caps look beige, or more like a cold grey. wondering if those would look good with a beige SKB2. what do you think?
Ya I do. I got the 65% kit currently available on Drop, the one intended as a replacement for Drop's Alt kb. The alpha keys are somewhat beige. Not super yellow like a lot of 80s plastics look today. More like how they looked when new.
I think it would go nicely with RAL 9002 since it's more neutral. Not sure about the yellower shades imo
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Sun, 16 February 2020, 22:31:47
Is there a rough estimate (I'd be fine basically any time estimate) for when the gb starts? Or is it pretty far away
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 17 February 2020, 13:50:39
Is there a rough estimate (I'd be fine basically any time estimate) for when the gb starts? Or is it pretty far away

The todo section in the start post shows what still needs to be done before the GroupBuy can start. You are right, there are no dates mentioned. So far I have tried not to be too specific regarding the timeline. I had hoped for the actual GB to start this month but looking at what still needs to be done, I don't think I can still get there this month. Regarding this is already the third prototype batch and even more plate prototypes, I think that it is progressing very well. I think mid to late march is realistic.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 17 February 2020, 14:14:00
Is there a rough estimate (I'd be fine basically any time estimate) for when the gb starts? Or is it pretty far away

The todo section in the start post shows what still needs to be done before the GroupBuy can start. You are right, there are no dates mentioned. So far I have tried not to be too specific regarding the timeline. I had hoped for the actual GB to start this month but looking at what still needs to be done, I don't think I can still get there this month. Regarding this is already the third prototype batch and even more plate prototypes, I think that it is progressing very well. I think mid to late march is realistic.

sweet! thanks for the info
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 18 February 2020, 06:32:45
After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 18 February 2020, 06:45:08
Yes, Boarwalk is confirmed (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408).
I know, it's a lot.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Tue, 18 February 2020, 06:48:55
Thanks Plastic, I knew I read it but couldn't find it anymore and thought I mixed the info with the SKB1.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: consumer on Tue, 18 February 2020, 20:15:59
After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?
Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Wed, 19 February 2020, 02:04:59
After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?
Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.


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Kam Wraith is a nice and safe option if you're into vintage computers and Ergo, but in Cherry profile I can see GMK Nord, GMK Taro, maybe GMK Future Funk (mixing orthos + space Kits?), GMK Bushido, even GMK Modern Dolch light could be OK with its obscure kit (but not 100% certain). Have a look here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/139IWhxAuGHyLtapmzzbVygnP-sgnz0ihLjRQtX5dSKg/htmlview#gid=1446636608)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Wed, 19 February 2020, 05:31:35
After so many pages, I'm somewhat lost, is a 60% boardwalk a solid option for the GB? (would be my first ergo, and would have to get a keycaps kit on one of the current GB). Anybody knows?
Same here. Boardwalk will be my first Ergo. So I’m actually looking forward to SKB2. Still struggling to find any current GB that offers Cherry profile in GMK standard. Anybody knows of any? There are some KAT profiles and a KAM Wraith that might work.


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If you're not dead set on GMK/ABS, there's also the PBT Hive (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104360) running until around the end of the week, it's also Cherry profile like GMK, I think it can cover a 60% ortho (although the kits are broken down a bit weird, for a 60% ortho you'd have to go with the Mega kit and only use 2/3 of everything, i.e. no separate ortho kit). I joined, although I'm going with stagger (75%, TKL or 1800-like, will decide when the GB starts).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 04:06:10
wanna know how much it will be :p :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: consumer on Sun, 23 February 2020, 05:55:43
thanks for the tips. I think there’s also GMK Nord coming. Now I’m hyped for the SKB2.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 10:11:01
wanna know how much it will be :p :p

The pricing will be very similar to SKB1, it started at 115€ for the 60%, bigger versions more. Can't tell for sure at this point.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 10:55:22
Maybe also a 40Ortho?

Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:

(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png) (https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png) (https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png) (https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)

Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: realxmlforce on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:08:15
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:18:14
The wait is starting to kill me :S
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:23:31
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?

Uff, I might be able to offer a 40% for around the 100€ mark, maybe a tiny bit less, but I don't think I'll be able to do less that 100$. Quite a lot have filled out the IC form. This number would allow for such a price on the 40%, but I don't think it would be a good idea to rely on that number. I'll have to wait for updated quotes. Getting it produced for super cheap in Germany isn't really possible.

Really difficult to say how much I should trust the IC form numbers.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:28:22
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?

Uff, I might be able to offer a 40% for around the 100€ mark, maybe a tiny bit less, but I don't think I'll be able to do less that 100$. Quite a lot have filled out the IC form. This number would allow for such a price on the 40%, but I don't think it would be a good idea to rely on that number. I'll have to wait for updated quotes. Getting it produced for super cheap in Germany isn't really possible.

Really difficult to say how much I should trust the IC form numbers.

True.. not everyone that fills the IC actually ends up purchasing.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Sun, 23 February 2020, 11:28:25
Maybe also a 40Ortho?

Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)


Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
Wow this is crazy


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: realxmlforce on Sun, 23 February 2020, 12:52:42
Definitely interested. I guess you can offer a 40% case for less than $100?

Uff, I might be able to offer a 40% for around the 100€ mark, maybe a tiny bit less, but I don't think I'll be able to do less that 100$. Quite a lot have filled out the IC form. This number would allow for such a price on the 40%, but I don't think it would be a good idea to rely on that number. I'll have to wait for updated quotes. Getting it produced for super cheap in Germany isn't really possible.

Really difficult to say how much I should trust the IC form numbers.
I see , no problem :) I guess I overestimated the materials portion of the total cost. Will get one anyway if you will offer it!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: pure_ on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:25:47
How about a southpaw version? ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 13:57:23
How about a southpaw version? ;D

Nice idea, but...

I'll only offer sizes/versions for which a PCB from Maarten is available or is currently in development. Only exceptions are one 60% version for the YAS62 PCB of which I have a few left and two 60% versions for the Boardwalk PCB. A new run of Boardwalk PCBs will be offered separately via MKULTRA (https://mkultra.click/).

Gotta draw the line somewhere.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FadedSea on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:16:52
Will the SKB2-60 or SKB-2 65 support pcbs like Tada68 or DZ65?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:30:54
A 40% ortho would look like a mini macro board next to a TKL or a full size :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:35:36
Will the SKB2-60 or SKB-2 65 support pcbs like Tada68 or DZ65?

Yes, totally. Though I don't see any reason why you would prefer either of those over the Eon67 or the Plain60-C. Except you already have em.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:38:43
SKB2 will be my entry level into the boardwalk/MKUltra world, and I like it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: equalunique on Sun, 23 February 2020, 14:45:35
Maybe also a 40Ortho?

Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)


Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?
INTERESTED

I'll buy a few at least
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eas on Sun, 23 February 2020, 19:56:00
Love my SKB60 with xd75 PCB. I'd enjoy a Nyquist case.

Otherwise maybe I'll try a 60% and use the WX60v1 PCB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: malde on Mon, 24 February 2020, 06:21:18
Maybe also a 40Ortho?

Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)


Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?

This past week I was playing with the thought of trying out 40% (orthro specifically).
Along comes Plastik... no longer playing with the thought, if this happens, I'll add it to the 65% I've already committed to.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: d00deitsnik on Mon, 24 February 2020, 09:23:38
I'd be into an ortho 40. That would be pretty great to have in bent steel too. Especially in the yellow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Pozz on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:45:04
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nasp on Mon, 24 February 2020, 16:49:55
Maybe also a 40Ortho?

Maarten also has the Eon40 - a 40% ortholinear PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/). Thinking about offering a version for this as well. 40% is really small, the bezels would have to be smaller in comparison to the bigger sizes. Otherwise is would look unbalanced, imo. This is what a SKB2-40 with adapted bezel size would look like:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xYWdQka.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/H29nM01.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/CnuGWO2.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/b4nEQWJ.png)


Not sure if there is enough interest for a 40-ortho, what are your thoughts?

If it's a good bit cheaper than a Planck I might be down. I also would like to see it sub $100. Maybe make a version that could use another PCB like a Cannon Keys ortho48, NIU Mini, or JJ40. That would keep the price down, but would ideally only be viable for those that already have one of those PCBs
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 25 February 2020, 16:11:49
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.

My only doubt here is whether to get one WK TKL and one WKL, or go WKL with both.  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: sangww on Tue, 25 February 2020, 22:50:34
I can't wait to get these, only concern being I for some reason miss the GB!! Already two builds I am certainly going to make (60% and 65%) but considering if I should just get other versions cause these are beautiful. Hope to see this becomes a sustainable business in the future because I love it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Wed, 26 February 2020, 10:06:59
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.

My only doubt here is whether to get one WK TKL and one WKL, or go WKL with both.  :D

Get four just to be sure.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 26 February 2020, 14:02:37
I am definitely going to be getting one of these once it goes into GB. Such a nice board.

My only doubt here is whether to get one WK TKL and one WKL, or go WKL with both.  :D

Get four just to be sure.

Ssssshhhh... don't spoil the plan.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 26 February 2020, 14:24:31
So, how are them R3 protos going on?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 26 February 2020, 16:03:25
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.

That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 26 February 2020, 16:22:43
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.

That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.

I just got Oblivion while waiting for this :) Would u be able to showcase Oblivion on a black case?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BWLR on Wed, 26 February 2020, 16:43:15
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.

That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.

Fantastic! Can't wait to see!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Wed, 26 February 2020, 23:17:51
Hoping to see 1800 or full size or 96... But think fairly unlikely :(

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: saesh on Thu, 27 February 2020, 00:41:39
Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona.

Get well soon!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Thu, 27 February 2020, 01:56:40
Hoping to see 1800 or full size or 96... But think fairly unlikely :(

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Same here, really exited for this design in something similar to 96 :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 27 February 2020, 02:52:24
I have the cases from the 3rd batch since quite a while already. What is still missing are the latest plates. The company that does the nickel and zink treatment is a bit slower. Though they are done since last week but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.

That black, RAL9005 60% wob build (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661) is from the 3rd batch. Used a plate from the 2nd batch. This 3rd batch now includes 60%, 65% and TKL sizes in balck/RAL9005, beige/RAL1013 and yellow/RAL1023. All look very good imo. More stainless steel as well. Also waiting for some keycap sets to arrive, need something that fits yellow. Soon I have all ingredients necessary to show more from the 3rd batch.

Get well soon!

And could you please place a piece of paper with RAL code on it on each case when making comparative photos? Will make it a bit easier for us to choose with references in sight and will prevent some confusion IMO.

 

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Snapple on Fri, 28 February 2020, 05:40:09
I'm very interested in TKL model!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: topdoge on Sat, 29 February 2020, 00:16:39
Hope you feel better soon!

Will you offer Boardwalk PCBs/plates during the GB, and if so, will the plate support all layouts? I see your message that MKULTRA will run Boardwalk PCBs separately, should we just try to order from them whenever (like before this GB starts) or do you recommend we wait until this GB?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: consumer on Sat, 29 February 2020, 01:47:01
Hope you feel better soon!

Will you offer Boardwalk PCBs/plates during the GB, and if so, will the plate support all layouts? I see your message that MKULTRA will run Boardwalk PCBs separately, should we just try to order from them whenever (like before this GB starts) or do you recommend we wait until this GB?
I’ve ordered Boardwalk PCBs from MKUktra but it seems shipment has stalled. No response from vendor also. So I would suggest ordering with hesitation.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 29 February 2020, 18:19:46
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!

Uuuuh... now this is something I hadn't thought of. :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: KMPLSV on Sun, 01 March 2020, 08:21:14
definitely count me in for a TKL. great looking stuff so far!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Sun, 01 March 2020, 11:44:13
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!

Uuuuh... now this is something I hadn't thought of. :thumb:

Can't claim it as my original idea  ;D. This was my inspiration:
(https://keyboardcollective.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/651-Keyboard-dev-tty.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Sun, 01 March 2020, 12:10:35
This black would look so good with mt3 /dev/tty. Can't wait to build it!

Uuuuh... now this is something I hadn't thought of. :thumb:

Can't claim it as my original idea  ;D. This was my inspiration:
Show Image
(https://keyboardcollective.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/651-Keyboard-dev-tty.jpg)


Hey, good ideas DO spread around.

PlastikSchnittstelle, don't even think of not offering a black TKL! ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nim on Mon, 02 March 2020, 04:45:21
Actually finally made an account just for this IC. Having seen the SKB1s in Utrecht made me want one, and having Boardwalk as an option means I can have my Ortho cake in an amazing looking 60% package as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nuclear Nachos on Mon, 02 March 2020, 21:23:20
Any chance of 65% wkl blocker? 6.25u spacebar, 1.25, 1.25 blocker, 1.25, 6.25, 1.25, 1.25, .5 blocker, arrow keys
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: daintySPLASH on Tue, 03 March 2020, 14:50:20
Is there a discord or instagram link that im missing or is this strictly on GH right now. Thanks :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nim on Tue, 03 March 2020, 14:57:39
I think it's just on GH till it hits the GB phase. Also, curious as to how the Kat Atlantis blue would match with the Nickel plated SS. I'm eyeing a Boardwalk classic layout, maybe try and get a CF plate cut myself to experiment with.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: consumer on Wed, 04 March 2020, 04:18:29
Hi Plastikschnittstelle, will the Boardwalk plate in version one fit the SKB2? In fact will SKB-01 plates fit the new SKB-02 in general?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Wed, 04 March 2020, 06:09:15
I'm thinking more and more of a 75% ortho (imagine an XD75 with one extra row, or a KBD75 with ortho alphas). Would that be possible? If so, I'd be in for an extra plate and PCB even if at a later stage than the main GB.

Also, I'm really tempted of the idea of a matching numpad, although I figure not many people would want one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: beefwelldone on Mon, 09 March 2020, 11:19:50
Would b great if u can do alice, i love the lay out.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Mon, 09 March 2020, 13:09:02
Would b great if u can do alice, i love the lay out.
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Hell-es on Mon, 09 March 2020, 13:28:51
but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.


should we start to worry?  Gute Besserung - hope everything is fine again
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:43:40
Hi Plastikschnittstelle, will the Boardwalk plate in version one fit the SKB2? In fact will SKB-01 plates fit the new SKB-02 in general?

No, SKB1 had three screws on the top and bottom side and one left and right. SKB2 is more traditional with four screws on top and bottom each.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 09 March 2020, 19:44:54
but atm I'm ill, got the flue, just the standard stuff, no corona. I'll drive over to pick up the plates when I'm fine again.

should we start to worry?  Gute Besserung - hope everything is fine again

Thanks, all fine, no need to worry :)
Just had to care about a lot of other stuff the last two weeks. Moving forward with this again now.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 09 March 2020, 23:44:21
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.
Interesting how it eliminates the corner gaps as compared to SKB2. Perhaps @PlastikSchnittstelle can comment?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 10 March 2020, 02:28:54
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.
Interesting how it eliminates the corner gaps as compared to SKB2. Perhaps @PlastikSchnittstelle can comment?

There are no protos pictured, only renders, so yeah, gaps are eliminated. The only way I see it can be done is making front and rear walls on the top sheet and side walls on the bottom sheet. 
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ZG2047 on Tue, 10 March 2020, 08:01:20
What kind of waiting time are we looking at for the group buy @Plastikschnittstelle
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 11:58:39
There is Lisa (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104820.0;topicseen) coming up pretty soon.
Interesting how it eliminates the corner gaps as compared to SKB2. Perhaps @PlastikSchnittstelle can comment?

There are no protos pictured, only renders, so yeah, gaps are eliminated. The only way I see it can be done is making front and rear walls on the top sheet and side walls on the bottom sheet.

In a rendering everything can be done. In reality, when two metal parts come together, you can only eliminate the gap between them by welding them together.
I've tried many different designs, something like this I have as well, just more sophisticated. For reasons I won't explain, I decided against this approach.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 12:05:23
What kind of waiting time are we looking at for the group buy @Plastikschnittstelle

The last three weeks, work on this project was completely on hold because first I catched a flue, after that I had to do other stuff. I'm back into it now and planning to start the GB at the end of this month. Next up is still taking good photos. I'm waiting for some caps to arrive. They will fit the yellow case very well. Currently more renderings are in the works and I'm making preparations that should set the stage for a smooth GB operation.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 11 March 2020, 12:36:11
The last three weeks, work on this project was completely on hold because first I catched a flue, after that I had to do other stuff. I'm back into it now and planning to start the GB at the end of this month. Next up is still taking good photos. I'm waiting for some caps to arrive. They will fit the yellow case very well. Currently more renderings are in the works and I'm making preparations that should set the stage for a smooth GB operation.
So what kind of layouts we're going to have during GB, if you can share info about it right now, of course.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:21:30
Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:

While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!

Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):

(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)

This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):

(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png) (https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)

The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:22:35
So what kind of layouts we're going to have during GB, if you can share info about it right now, of course.

All together these sizes/versions will be offered (80 is TKL):
- 40
- 60 STD, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Boardwalk
- 65 STD, Blocker-A, Blocker-AB
- 75 V1, V2
- 80 STD, WKL
- 95
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:25:27
This is what the 95% size will look like:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)


That looks weird without F13 or indicator lights. Consider adding F13?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:34:59
The PCB has support for one more key there, look:

[attach=1]

I just felt like it isn't needed there. But I could make a poll to decide whether or not this fifth key in the right upper group should be present. That key can be whatever you want it to be, F13 or else.
The F cluster will be kept the traditional way, meaning three groups of four keys each.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:49:15
The PCB has support for one more key there, look:

(Attachment Link)

I just felt like it isn't needed there. But I could make a poll to decide whether or not this fifth key in the right upper group should be present. That key can be whatever you want it to be, F13 or else.
The F cluster will be kept the traditional way, meaning three groups of four keys each.

I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

(https://i.imgur.com/g4PGUEE.png)

I think it's more convenient primarily because it lets you put Delete above Backspace (an intuitive and common setup on smaller boards), while letting you keep Home, End, PgUp, PgDn above the numpad (the most setup for those keys on CP/1800).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:58:59
Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:

While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!

Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)


This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)


The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.
Okay

Shut up and take my money
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:02:26
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)


Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:04:57
Appreciate the updates! Now the question is 75 V2 or TKL WKL...

Edit: I've decided I need both. Hopefully that will be possible :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: AspiringMechKeebFan on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:07:09
All together these sizes/versions will be offered (80 is TKL):
- 40
- 60 STD, WKL, HHKB, YAS, Boardwalk
- 65 STD, Blocker-A, Blocker-AB
- 75 V1, V2
- 80 STD, WKL
- 95
Am mostly interested in 75. Glad it made it and in different variants too! Cheers!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:19:05
@PlastikSchnittstelle

Do you know which of the layouts will have support for Alps switches?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:33:34
None of the PCBs support ALPS switches and I don't like plates that have support for MX and ALPS combined. Makes MX switches sit less tight.
However, Maarten does have an ALPS version of his Plain60-C (https://maartenwut.com/product/plain60-alps-edition/).
Not sure if there is enough interest, but I could offer a separate ALPS plate for that PCB. This way ALPS and MX stay separate. SKB2-60-ALPS-Edition?
Would you like that?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:37:15
@PlastikSchnittstelle Honestly was looking at the 95/75 options. Was thinking of using my AEK keycaps on this.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:42:32
might be nice, but sorry, can't do. already a lot. gotta draw the line somewhere.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:44:40
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Ah, that's a shame. Option #1 might not be bad, since it matches the spacing of the top-right corner of the 75%.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nathanchere on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:46:19
This feels like it must be getting close.  I really appreciate the inside peek at how much thought and planning goes into properly organising a group buy like this.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:46:30
@PlastikSchnittstelle Honestly was looking at the 95/75 options. Was thinking of using my AEK keycaps on this.

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Yeah I understand. You are already making a boatload of layouts. Will you provide PCB/plate files after the groupbuy? I might be able to buy one and design/build my own PCB and plate.

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:51:26
Yes, sure I'll share the plate files. I can also assist making ALPS plates. I'm just not very experienced with ALPS plates, their stablizers in particular give me headaches.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nim on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:55:48
Here's a possibly daft question: How are Boardwalk PCBs being done? Haven't seen any around at EU resellers for a while.

Good to hear about the plates as well, I'm most likely going to try my luck with a CF one, provided the fab I quoted for other stuff ever replies :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 11 March 2020, 14:58:08
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Ah, that's a shame. Option #1 might not be bad, since it matches the spacing of the top-right corner of the 75%.

Here's what I mean:

(https://i.imgur.com/d6qnvED.png) (https://i.imgur.com/zm2bgF6.png)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:02:13
I know ;)
75 and 95 PCBs are identical, 95 just adds a portion. We even considered making both one PCB with a break-off portion, but decided against it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BWLR on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:02:21
Glad to hear you're feeling much better PlastikSchnittstelle and the project is going ahead full speed. So many fantastic options and I, like others, really appreciate how much thought and experience is going into this and how much you're sharing with us. At this rate I'd be interested in more than one. Maarten's PCB's are fantastic too so I'm super happy that you'll be using them.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: co0keiz on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:06:46
It's getting harder to decide which layout to get.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:18:29
PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Ah, that's a shame. Option #1 might not be bad, since it matches the spacing of the top-right corner of the 75%.

Here's what I mean:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/d6qnvED.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/zm2bgF6.png)


And yes, I'm also leaning towards option 1 now.
Will update the renderings.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:24:11
Here's a possibly daft question: How are Boardwalk PCBs being done? Haven't seen any around at EU resellers for a while.

Shensmobile told me they will be offered via MKUltra, mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2868594#msg2868594). Not sure if he plans to offer them via a EU proxy as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: norb on Wed, 11 March 2020, 15:59:01
i would also vote for the F13 key, personally i don't have any use for it but just for optic reasons.
that said, i'm not sure yet if i should get a 95. 1u zero scares me :-[
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nim on Wed, 11 March 2020, 16:58:55
Here's a possibly daft question: How are Boardwalk PCBs being done? Haven't seen any around at EU resellers for a while.

Shensmobile told me they will be offered via MKUltra, mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2868594#msg2868594). Not sure if he plans to offer them via a EU proxy as well.

I'll hold off for a bit then before ordering one from MKUltra. Not having to deal with customs hassle myself would be nice
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Wed, 11 March 2020, 18:08:16

Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:

While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!

Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)


This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)


The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :-*

I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)


Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)

Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3

ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
[attach=1]

Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
[attach=2]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: neutralstate on Wed, 11 March 2020, 19:30:39
The PCB has support for one more key there, look:

(Attachment Link)

I just felt like it isn't needed there. But I could make a poll to decide whether or not this fifth key in the right upper group should be present. That key can be whatever you want it to be, F13 or else.
The F cluster will be kept the traditional way, meaning three groups of four keys each.

I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/g4PGUEE.png)


I think it's more convenient primarily because it lets you put Delete above Backspace (an intuitive and common setup on smaller boards), while letting you keep Home, End, PgUp, PgDn above the numpad (the most setup for those keys on CP/1800).

Agree that this wld look better
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 11 March 2020, 20:18:21
Banner added ;)

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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.0][img]https://i.imgur.com/x2ZlmBY.png[/img][/url]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: templa23 on Thu, 12 March 2020, 04:57:05
Im in love with that yellow 75%

Hell, I might even grab 2 boards cause I love all the layouts you've done, can't wait for GB time!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: donutsandhorses on Thu, 12 March 2020, 13:41:47
Will the 75 V1 and V2 both have plates to support different bottom row layouts? Or could we get a picture of the supported layouts with the key sizes? I'm new to this and just want to make sure I'm buying the right keycaps!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 March 2020, 13:47:24
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: donutsandhorses on Thu, 12 March 2020, 14:11:49
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:

(Attachment Link)

Awesome, thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: blighty on Thu, 12 March 2020, 14:17:02
Will this round have a smoother finish than round 1?  I couldn't get over or enjoy the chalkboard texture/feeling of it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 March 2020, 14:25:18
SKB1 was something completely different. It was made from aluminum, and got anodized. SKB2 is made of steel and gets powder coated. These are two completely different types of surfaces that have nothing in common.

Tbo, after more comparing, I wasn't that happy about the chalkboard feeling either. None of the prototypes had this kind of surface feeling. That's one of the reasons why I don't want to do aluminum any more. Aluminum is a really unusual metal that has many pros but also lots of cons.
Steel and powder coating is both much more predictable.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Thu, 12 March 2020, 14:58:13

Update, 75 and 95 will make it into the GB:

While I was set back, Maarten has finished the development of the 75% and 95% PCBs. That means they will not be done in a later round like I had announced before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2862267#msg2862267). All sizes will be available at once!

Two different case versions for 75%. Half right key column (V1) and full right key column (V2). Half right column offers better compatibility with OG cherry keysets and the free space right to the enter key is nice, I think.
Here are the two 75% versions (both set to a 12 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xp2yeAM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/hEQiHYZ.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xiNtbkM.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/vFmlJlb.png)


This is what the 95% size will look like (set to an 8 degree angle):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/xCbuMUa.png)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/MvXcQb2.png)


The renderings show the cherry profile how it was originally designed, with R5 as bottom row and R0 as top/f-row.

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :-*

I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)


Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
[attach=1] [attach=2] [attach=3]

Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3

ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
[attach=1]

Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
[attach=2]
Love it
The dots one look cool!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 12 March 2020, 15:55:52
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:

(Attachment Link)

No split space bar?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 12 March 2020, 17:19:47
I'm one or the early birds, thought I was going to get a 60% but the 95% looks great!! I'd prefer it with the extra key up top though. Really cool layout 😁

What's the supposed issue with the Boardwalk PCBs? I still have one unbuilt one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 March 2020, 17:33:10
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3

ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
(Attachment Link)

Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
(Attachment Link)

yes, assuming it will be nr2, that free spot would be a familiar place for indicator leds. your cutout proposals are quite nice. the thing is that the pcb is already done and does not have leds there. even if, the nature of the case would make it difficult for pcb surface leds to clearly shine through the wholes. you would not be able to tell the three leds apart from each other. you would need some kind of guide chanel, or mount the leds directly on the inside of the case behind the small cutout position. there are probably many more ways to do it, but the point is that I think these indicator leds shouldn't be added as an afterthought. if so, it should be consider in the beginning of the design process. the way it is now is clean and simple. it should stay that way. some keys have through hole led support, there it is possible to use windowed caps.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 12 March 2020, 17:35:20
Sure,
75V1 and V2 share the same plate and PCB of course.
The plate will support these layouts:

(Attachment Link)

No split space bar?

nope, sorry, only the simple stuff.
80/tkl has split support though.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 12 March 2020, 18:13:20
I still don't know if I want 60/65 or 75
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Nim on Thu, 12 March 2020, 18:37:27
I'm one or the early birds, thought I was going to get a 60% but the 95% looks great!! I'd prefer it with the extra key up top though. Really cool layout 😁

What's the supposed issue with the Boardwalk PCBs? I still have one unbuilt one.
It's more a case of rather not having to deal with the customs hassle that gets involved when buying directly from the US. It's a tad more convenient when I can snag it from a reseller. If there's no proxy, I'll just pick up a PCB and some foam from MKUltra when GB comes around
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Thu, 12 March 2020, 18:53:13
Plastik, this is so dope news! :p both the 75% and now a 1800 compact in on the gb now! <3

ALL my votes goes to layout nr2, having the extra key on layout nr1 looks pretty weird imo,
if you added a breakout for powering rgb leds or just 2 pin leds around the NCS area we could help our self later on with some additional holes for just something regular like this
(Attachment Link)

Edit.
Something like this would be cool, then it wouldn't hurt with or without indicators, just a quick mockup to get a idea, would be cool imo :)
(Attachment Link)

yes, assuming it will be nr2, that free spot would be a familiar place for indicator leds. your cutout proposals are quite nice. the thing is that the pcb is already done and does not have leds there. even if, the nature of the case would make it difficult for pcb surface leds to clearly shine through the wholes. you would not be able to tell the three leds apart from each other. you would need some kind of guide chanel, or mount the leds directly on the inside of the case behind the small cutout position. there are probably many more ways to do it, but the point is that I think these indicator leds shouldn't be added as an afterthought. if so, it should be consider in the beginning of the design process. the way it is now is clean and simple. it should stay that way. some keys have through hole led support, there it is possible to use windowed caps.

Yeah for sure. It would be to much more "creative" DIY to make it happen strait out of the box, this late in your process.
No worries at all, complete understand. Just got excited when i saw the compact 1800 update ha and kudos to Maarten for cooking up all these beauties batches of available pcb´s  :thumb:

Hoping for the rendered layout nr. 2 in case it will be a tie, could we see nr1 layout rendered maybe?

Wish list is definitely 96 Inox, 75% black, TKL/65% dolch. It will be a frenzie  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:16:01
Can I check if there is a link to maarten site? I'm certain I saw it somewhere, can't seem to find it now... :s
Leaning towards the 1800 for functionality... Does the case support other boards? I tot of opting for a 67 layout which I think is shown on the renders but doesn't see to have a board..

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:48:37
check the start post, it's all in there. let me quote myself:

Sizes & versions

Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
  • 40% Ortholinear
  • 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
  • 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
  • 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
  • TKL Standard, WKL
  • not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
PCBs

You will have the option to add PCBs designed by Maartenwut (all USB-C):
  • SKB2-40: Eon40 (https://maartenwut.com/product/eon40/)
  • SKB2-60: Plain60-C (https://github.com/Maartenwut/plain60-c)
  • SKB2-65: TA65 Eon65
  • SKB2-75: Eon75
  • SKB2-TKL: Eon87
  • SKB2-95: Eon95

 ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 07:57:22
Does the case support other boards?
Other PCBs? Sure, since the case is a top mount construction and is quite roomy inside, you don't need to worry about compatibillity. You only need to make sure that the USB plug is at the correct spot.

I tot of opting for a 67 layout which I think is shown on the renders but doesn't see to have a board..
Initially we planned to offer Maartens' TA65 PCB (https://maartenwut.com/product/ta-65-rev2/) for the SKB2-65. But since it has USB-Mini but all other of the offered PCBs have USB-C, we dicided that 65% should get USB-C as well. He developed the "Eon65" which (I had called it Eon67 earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2855923#msg2855923)).

Btw, the SKB2-65 is available as prototype, not just renders. This picture of it can also be found in the start post:

(https://i.imgur.com/e8ZphNY.jpg)

 ;D  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 13 March 2020, 08:20:12
Thanks! The blockers can be removed by ourself? Then maybe I need to take a hit and order 2 hahaha

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 08:25:45
remove? NO! dude, that's steel!  ;)

three 65% versions will be offered:
- Standard
- 0.5U bottom row blocker
- 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker (prototype)

I'll make some illustrations to avoide confusion about that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Fri, 13 March 2020, 08:33:05
Is there ISO on the 95? Buying either way but ISO would be nice
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 08:35:58
sure, all PCBs and plates support ANSI and ISO layouts.
I'll add illustrations that detail the layout options, in the coming days.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Fri, 13 March 2020, 08:48:23
what PCBs supposed to use on 75(v1,v2) ^-^
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 13 March 2020, 09:05:30
Eon75 for the SKB2-75 (V1 and V2)
Eon95 for the SKB2-95

Both PCBs are designed by Maarten for the SKB2 GroupBuy.
More details on them will follow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Gepriester on Fri, 13 March 2020, 09:09:22
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BWLR on Fri, 13 March 2020, 09:15:44
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait  ;D

Same! What's left to do PlastikSchnittstelle?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 13 March 2020, 09:21:07
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait  ;D

Same! What's left to do PlastikSchnittstelle?
It's there, in the first post:
Quote
Todo:
present first prototype / start IC
renderings to demonstrate different versions and colors
second batch of prototypes
what is wrong with the glossy powder coating?
take better pictures of the prototypes (indoor setup)
third batch of prototypes
TKL PCB (Eon87) ready
65% PCB (Eon65) ready
75% PCB (Eon75) and 95% PCB (Eon95) ready

take more pictures
send out some prototypes to review
final decision which colors to offer
final decision which sizes and versions to offer
set up a discord channel
start GB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: The_Royal on Fri, 13 March 2020, 13:39:36
I know its pretty long in the process but I know there were Many, Many people looking for The Ave. to be made in this fashion:

(https://i.imgur.com/EkUxAPp.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Z4KlWWE.png)

If you have the space/time/interest, please let me know  :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: enrique.aliaga on Fri, 13 March 2020, 14:28:29
Have we already decided which RAL code to use for beige. Did I miss the poll?

I just wanted to mention that RAL9002 looks better than RAL9001, and closer to, say, the beige on my IBM Model Ms.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 13 March 2020, 23:34:13
Didn't have any poll I guess... Plastic is deciding on the colors now I guess

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 March 2020, 07:25:38
I'm so hyped for this. I can't wait  ;D

Same! What's left to do PlastikSchnittstelle?

Yes, the update section tells it.
But let me elaborate:

Many times before I had mentioned that I was planing to take better pictures. A friend of mine is an actual photographer, he'll take the pictures. It just hasn't happened jet. The reason is that for each of the case colors I wanted to get a keycap set that matches well. I'm covered for beige, black and grey. Yellow and stainless steel, I had to get caps.
For yellow I handpicked colors for a PBT DSA set from signatureplastics. First it took ages to arrive, SP processed the order quickly but it was stuck at customs for much too long. Secondly, I chose YAM but that turned out to be a very light banana yellow and does not fit the RAL1023 well. Instead I should have gotten YCR, that would fit well.
I also have ordered three blank sets from mykeyboard (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/keycaps/keyreative_245/). They are not coming due to corona.
Before I don't have the caps, I can't have the pictures taken. Before I don't have the pictures, I don't want to let go of the units that I want to send out to review.

However there is a solution already on its way to me. A GMK Serika set. That fits the yellow case. Pictures are planed for next week. Will probably not have a good match for the stainless steel case but I can't let the lack of caps allow this operation to be hold off for longer.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 14 March 2020, 07:28:11
Have we already decided which RAL code to use for beige. Did I miss the poll?

I just wanted to mention that RAL9002 looks better than RAL9001, and closer to, say, the beige on my IBM Model Ms.

Didn't have any poll I guess... Plastic is deciding on the colors now I guess

No no no no nooo! Guys! I said there'd be a poll on beige, so there will be a poll on beige.
My previous post about the wait for keycaps should explain why the poll hasn't happened jet. Only when the pictures are taken I can give you an accurate representation of the three options RAL9001, RAL9002 and RAL1013.

Based on those pictures you can vote.

I know, I'm also pissed off by the wait. The last prototype cases are ready since a long time now, just waiting. Maybe I'm sometimes not flexible enough and insist too much on the schedule I hade once thought up. Really close now.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BWLR on Sat, 14 March 2020, 08:56:23
No worries. All completely understandable and thanks for the detailed explanations. Nobody is pissed off, just excited 👍🏻
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 14 March 2020, 09:19:59
No worries. All completely understandable and thanks for the detailed explanations. Nobody is pissed off, just excited 👍🏻
+1!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:48:11
Yeah not pissed! Gives me more time to decide if I can afford 1800 and what colors and what keycaps to get for it... Initially tot of getting a lux set, but didn't really want a black keyboard and the stainless with nickel seems better with a Grey set as well.. Thanks for the wait really!

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: knockingplayer on Sun, 15 March 2020, 08:12:31
About the plates

You know from the pictures in the start post that the plates have relief cuts around the mounting points. I tried different sizes, they all had much less of an impact that I was expecting. Since the case has big bezels, I thought why not use the room you have, so I tried the maximum amount of relief cuts. It's basically a thin strip that winds as much as possible in the available space. Want to show you what I got (obviously hasn't been surface treated jet):

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/swpavSA.mp4)
(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/swpavSA)

Here you can also see one of the grommets getting seated:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6Lg8wjP.mp4)
(I think embedding here does not work like this, please tell me if you know how)

link to the video (https://imgur.com/6Lg8wjP)

Now before you all scream "I-WANT-THAT", please read my thoughts about this:
I have put the plate into a case and put switched and caps on. It's not a complete build but I can tell that when typing you won't be able to tell this plate with super long and winding relief cuts apart from one without them. If you press down on all keys with both hands then you do feel is, the plate can be pressed down. But in terms of typing - there is no effect for me noticeable.
Isolating the plate from the case via the grommet is much more noticeable compared to going metal on metal with the mounting. Maybe using grommets has a lesser effect in CNC milled cases but for my type of case, the isolation mounting has a big and satisfactory impact.

Not only is the impact of the winding relief cut hardly noticeable, it also brings problems in terms of manufacturing, transportation and handling. The thin strips are quite fragile and I fear if I would have a lot produced like that, quite a few might end up broken.
So even if this looks like something you might want to have in your plate, I have to say that this kind of cut is in my opinion neither a noticeable nor a feasible solution.
I will do relief cuts but not like this.

Are You gonna release the plate files so i can get a brass plate?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 06:56:07
Are You gonna release the plate files so i can get a brass plate?

Sure, I will.
Last GB, everyone who asked me got the file. Though I always respeonded with the offer to not just send the standard plate file but rather make the custom layout plate file myself. I think almost all who asked for the plate file actually got their own custom plate file instead. There were only two ALPS requests that I struggled with a bit.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 09:30:21
maybe this has been already answered, but what is going to be the actual layout of the 65% version. I've seen 2 different renders I think.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 10:03:46
Here you can see all the sizes and versions that will be available:

[attach=1]

Btw, it's also mentioned in the start post ;)

Sizes & versions

Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
  • 40% Ortholinear
  • 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
  • 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
  • 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
  • TKL Standard, WKL
  • not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Mon, 16 March 2020, 10:07:04
Here you can see all the sizes and versions that will be available:

(Attachment Link)

Btw, it's also mentioned in the start post ;)

Sizes & versions

Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
  • 40% Ortholinear
  • 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
  • 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
  • 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
  • TKL Standard, WKL
  • not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)
Does the 95 come with only with that cutout for the f13-f16 keys?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 10:14:30
Does the 95 come with only with that cutout for the f13-f16 keys?

Right, I forgot!
I'll let you vote on this. Together with the vote on beige.
Will be only one 95% version. Either the top right cluster will have five (like shown) or four keys.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 10:14:56
Here you can see all the sizes and versions that will be available:

(Attachment Link)

Btw, it's also mentioned in the start post ;)

Sizes & versions

Various sizes and versions will be available. Some are already sure, more will probably be added later (please let me know what you'd like to see).
So far:
  • 40% Ortholinear
  • 60% Standard, WKL, HHKB, YAS62, Boardwalk (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859408#msg2859408)
  • 65% Standard, 0.5U bottom row blocker, 0.5U bottom row blocker & 2U right column blocker
  • 75% (not KBD75-style instead a new custom design, SKB2-75 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786))
  • TKL Standard, WKL
  • not 1800 but something similar: SKB2-95 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874786#msg2874786)

Oh I see.. so the 3 versions I saw are all being made ahahah
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:04:04
3rd and last early bird round

As you know 40%, 75% and 95% have recently been added. Before production I want to make sure everything is fine, so I'll need a prototype of each size. That's why I'll do a last funding round. I'll reopen the early bird form, which is linked in the start post, later today.
(will be the 4rth prototype batch)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:20:38
3rd and last early bird round

As you know 40%, 75% and 95% have recently been added. Before production I want to make sure everything is fine, so I'll need a prototype of each size. That's why I'll do a last funding round. I'll reopen the early bird form, which is linked in the start post, later today.
(will be the 4rth prototype batch)
Will it be the same 110€ as in the previous round?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:22:14
yes
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:48:02
Can i be early bird on this round even If i don't want those versions you metioned? (I want 65% not 40%, 75% and 95%)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:57:45
Can i be early bird on this round even If i don't want those versions you metioned? (I want 65% not 40%, 75% and 95%)

Totally.
When the GroupBuy starts, you'll pic any size/version you want.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:58:41
Hope I don't miss it opening. Any idea on what time you'll open it?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 11:59:06
Hope I don't miss it opening. Any idea on what time you'll open it?

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Same... really want to get in!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 12:18:33
Around eight o clock German time, I guess.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:13:19
Did all the early bird slots fill up?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:13:43
Did all the early bird slots fill up?

I think they didnt open yet

Edit: Opened just now!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:16:18
Hope I don't miss it opening. Any idea on what time you'll open it?

sorry, was away, it's open now
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:17:00
Early bird form is open again

As mentioned earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2876482#msg2876482), I have now reopened the early bird form.
This is the 3rd funding round for the 4rth and last prototype batch.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:20:06
Let's hope I got in

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:21:09
I'm assuming I did get in :) doesn't it automatically close?

Edit: How can we confirm If I properly managed to enter my details ahah
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:27:27
I'll monitor it and close it myself.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: SteffeMK on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:34:58
Early bird form is open again

As mentioned earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2876482#msg2876482), I have now reopened the early bird form.
This is the 3rd funding round for the 4rth and last prototype batch.
How long after you recieve this round of protos do you think it will be until the gb starts?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:45:10
I just need the parts, powdercoating not necessary for checking that everything is fine.
Thinking first week of april is realistic for the GB to start.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: teejstroyer on Mon, 16 March 2020, 14:45:23
The 75% is such a beauty


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 16 March 2020, 17:36:13
Are the invoices for early bird going out today?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 16 March 2020, 18:00:50
No, not today, will sleep now. Don't know if I'll find the time tomorrow, maybe wednesday.

Btw, here are some square renderings:

(https://i.imgur.com/50ggxaL.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/63ZbVv8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/V4YoDtR.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/srVyAWF.jpg)

Support R0 and R5, it's the real **** ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: dommyy13 on Mon, 16 March 2020, 18:03:31
Signed up for early bird, this kb is a beauty!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bananasplit_00 on Tue, 17 March 2020, 02:40:06
Aww man, i wanna earlybird but im out of spending money for this month :( Good luck on getting that funding, probably going to go quick  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: qwertypoiu on Tue, 17 March 2020, 03:16:13
I suppose I can't be in on the latest early bird round if I already took part in round 1?  :rolleyes:

edit: wording
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Tue, 17 March 2020, 03:47:12
I suppose I can't be in on the latest early bird round if I already took part in round 1?  :rolleyes:

edit: wording

I was thinking about using another account...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:29:40
Any keycap ideas that include a Norde kit for a yellow 65% one? I was thinking GMK Nautilus for the TKL/grey but have no idea for the second 65% that I wanted to get. I'm not even sure if it is going to be yellow or beige, something lighter anyway. For yellow, do you think that e.g. KAT Atlantis would be a good match? Blue & yellow normally mixes very well but I can't yet see the final board in my head.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: BWLR on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:32:59
GMK Honey?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Tue, 17 March 2020, 05:36:42
GMK Honey?

Looks good but no Norde kit, should have mentioned that... Plus I was thinking of something away from the yellow-on-yellow-colorway, some complementary colours maybe?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 17 March 2020, 08:11:38
GMK Honey?

Lux?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Tue, 17 March 2020, 09:15:12
Lux?

Quote
Q: Colemak, Ergodox, Norde?
A: No.

So: beautiful set but no.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 11:55:37
Early bird form is closed again

There is a plugin that I could use to close the early bird form when a certain amount of entries is reached. Better than constantly checking manually. When I had checked earlier today the form was already closed again. Maybe I'll find the time for the invoices later today, if not then tomorrow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 12:02:47
GMK Honey?

Lux?

GMK Honey?

Looks good but no Norde kit, should have mentioned that... Plus I was thinking of something away from the yellow-on-yellow-colorway, some complementary colours maybe?

Honey and Lux are both perfect for the yellow powder coating. I think I had posted renders with caps that should look like Lux. Can try some honey-like renderings.
And yes, kits don't necessarily need yellow as main color. Just a yellow accent makes a nice combo. Metropolis for example and the upcoming Nautilus R2.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 17 March 2020, 12:10:03
Even infinikey Hive would look dope for sure
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:31:45
Torn between GMK Botanical or Lunar for this keeb. Plastik which one do you think would fit best with the beige/gray powder coating?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:50:35
You mean GMK Botanical with gray/RAL7039? It's a warm/earthy gray, so yes, this could be a good fit. Lunar with classic beige? I don't think these two go that well together. Lunar with one of the INOX versions is what I think would be very nice. Showed this combo in the last square renders.

Maybe I'll have the time to answer your question with more renderings tomorrow :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:54:29
Can't wait for that. Looking forward to the gb!

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Tue, 17 March 2020, 18:59:15
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle,

i just stumbled upon this Thread and had to register because of it.
I'd love to enter the GB once it goes live, but i have two questions. Sorry if those have been answered before, i couldn't find them. :)

I'd prefer a full normal (ISO 105) Keyboard, looks like the "95" version is the closest thing. But: Does that version (meaning PCB and plate) support the full normal ISO layout including the two-row Enter key and 11 instead of 10 buttons in the lowest alpha row? I'm using ISO-DE and really need that pipe/angle bracket key.
Can't tell about the Enter key from your pictures and it looks like there are only 10 keys in the bottom row?

Thanks and best wishes from Munich! :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:26:50
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle,

i just stumbled upon this Thread and had to register because of it.
I'd love to enter the GB once it goes live, but i have two questions. Sorry if those have been answered before, i couldn't find them. :)

I'd prefer a full normal (ISO 105) Keyboard, looks like the "95" version is the closest thing. But: Does that version (meaning PCB and plate) support the full normal ISO layout including the two-row Enter key and 11 instead of 10 buttons in the lowest alpha row? I'm using ISO-DE and really need that pipe/angle bracket key.
Can't tell about the Enter key from your pictures and it looks like there are only 10 keys in the bottom row?

Thanks and best wishes from Munich! :)

I do think it is supported, as all variants (I think) have ISO support, and I think the keyboards are being made in germany btw
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 17 March 2020, 19:29:44
Hey PlastikSchnittstelle,

i just stumbled upon this Thread and had to register because of it.
I'd love to enter the GB once it goes live, but i have two questions. Sorry if those have been answered before, i couldn't find them. :)

I'd prefer a full normal (ISO 105) Keyboard, looks like the "95" version is the closest thing. But: Does that version (meaning PCB and plate) support the full normal ISO layout including the two-row Enter key and 11 instead of 10 buttons in the lowest alpha row? I'm using ISO-DE and really need that pipe/angle bracket key.
Can't tell about the Enter key from your pictures and it looks like there are only 10 keys in the bottom row?

Thanks and best wishes from Munich! :)

Welcome to the keyboard community!

Yes, both the PCB and the plate will support those options - assuming I understood the particualar layout you mean (yes, you mean standard ISO). The renderings just show the most common ANSI layout. Here you can see all options:

[attach=1]

Gude aus FFM!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Tue, 17 March 2020, 20:02:23
Ahhhh, got it, i missed the bottom left on your picture: shorter left shift and the 11th key on the side of it. Danke! :)

Perfect, sign me up for one. I always wanted a steel keyboard and the fact that it's made at home makes it even better.
I might even be able to give up on my search for an IBM Model F with a steel case (yes, those existed) after i build this one. ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Cantello on Wed, 18 March 2020, 07:54:33
[...] Just a yellow accent makes a nice combo. Metropolis for example and the upcoming Nautilus R2.

Metropolis would have been so good, but no Norde unfortunately. Love the colors. Will get bought anyway, can decide later, which board to put it on.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: SteffeMK on Wed, 18 March 2020, 08:17:58
I don't know if this has been asked before or if you stated it earlier, but how much will the TKL and almost-1800 cases cost?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 18 March 2020, 10:41:55
No, prices have not been set jet. Too many variables. I only said once that it will probably be a slight bit cheaper than SKB1 was.

Really hard to say, I need updated quotes and of course it depends on how many will actually buy. I roughly estimate the SKB2-80/TKL to land at around 140€ without the PCB. The SKB2-95/1800-style might land at around 150€ without the PCB. The smaller ones will obviously be cheaper. Starting with the SKB2-40, slightly below 100€. It's all just an estimation for now.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: daintySPLASH on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:09:06
That feeling when you miss ANOTHER early bird opportunity ....  :( just please take my money haha
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: StanleyLelnats on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:16:07
Have invoices for the early bird gone out yet?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:31:13
Have invoices for the early bird gone out yet?

Didn't had the time jet. They will go out in a few hours.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Wed, 18 March 2020, 13:44:35
Waiting for the colorway
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 18 March 2020, 16:27:27
I've tried asking in Marteen discord, but will the eon series pcbs have via?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Wed, 18 March 2020, 20:45:55
Btw.: What would you say about how high the chance of a future full version of this case (ISO 105 compatible plus a pcb that fits it) is? I'd really prefer that over even the 95 version. But of course i also understand that most people seem to prefer the smaller versions and you need a certain amount of cases per model to make it affordable.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 18 March 2020, 21:16:55
No, prices have not been set jet. Too many variables. I only said once that it will probably be a slight bit cheaper than SKB1 was.

Speaking of variables, any word on if you'll be able/willing to provide alternative materials for the plate from the get-go rather than just sharing files, an idea you brought up a couple weeks (or months) ago?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 18 March 2020, 23:51:15
I wish you would have edited the title of the thread or started a new thread when you had the early bird round.  Watched for two weeks to get in. Hosehold has been crazy with Covid19 stuff and I didn't see it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigilaantee on Thu, 19 March 2020, 01:21:38
are any of the pcbs hotswap?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: killchain on Thu, 19 March 2020, 05:42:12
Cool to see the 95% confirmed. Still, not enough demand for a separate numpad? :(

On a side note, what's that keycap set on the first 75% in the banner (that one with the yellow accents)? Perhaps GMK Lunar?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:30:58
No, prices have not been set jet. Too many variables. I only said once that it will probably be a slight bit cheaper than SKB1 was.

Speaking of variables, any word on if you'll be able/willing to provide alternative materials for the plate from the get-go rather than just sharing files, an idea you brought up a couple weeks (or months) ago?

Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:33:35
are any of the pcbs hotswap?

No, the PCBs from Maarten that will be available are not hot swapp. Though you can use other PCBs with hot swapp capability if you prefer that. The case is a top mount construction, so you don't need to worry a lot about compatibility. USB port must be at the correct position of course.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:36:02
Btw.: What would you say about how high the chance of a future full version of this case (ISO 105 compatible plus a pcb that fits it) is? I'd really prefer that over even the 95 version. But of course i also understand that most people seem to prefer the smaller versions and you need a certain amount of cases per model to make it affordable.

Request for fullsize was by far the lowest. Will not happen for the foreseeable future. Sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:40:53
Cool to see the 95% confirmed. Still, not enough demand for a separate numpad? :(

On a side note, what's that keycap set on the first 75% in the banner (that one with the yellow accents)? Perhaps GMK Lunar?

numpad:
not throwing any more into the mix now, sorry.

keycaps in the banner:
exactly, that set is supposed to resemble GMK Lunar.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:53:33
I've tried asking in Marteen discord, but will the eon series pcbs have via?

yes, they all support via.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 20 March 2020, 07:54:03
When the buy comes out, do we have an option to buy extra boards with 1 case?

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 08:11:11
by boards you mean PCBs?
yes you can add the PCBs separately and as many as you like.
the plate will be included with the case but you will have the option to add another plate or more if you want.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:56:36
PCB layouts

Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:

Eon40:
[attach=1]

Plain60-C:
[attach=2]

Eon65:
[attach=3]

Eon75:
[attach=4]

Eon87:
[attach=5]

Eon95:
[attach=6]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Fri, 20 March 2020, 11:09:11
can I buy the nuts for options?  :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 12:34:56
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: teejstroyer on Fri, 20 March 2020, 12:54:53
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:32:54
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.
Haha I means buy another set
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:42:57
There is also only 1 plate option too right?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:45:11
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.
Haha I means buy another set

haha, I'll make sure to include enough spares.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: wing1098 on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:50:03
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.
Haha I means buy another set

haha, I'll make sure to include enough spares.
I would like to staining the nuts,But I don't know is it working or not lol
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:50:23
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatment
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatment
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:51:47
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement

Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:52:04
hehe, no, black nuts is the only option and always included.
Haha I means buy another set

haha, I'll make sure to include enough spares.
I would like to staining the nuts,But I don't know is it working or not lol

got it, ok, I'll include the option to add an extra set.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:55:45
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement

Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh

If brass will happen then only ONE option will be available
A or B or C

(the steel plate with black zink treatment would still remain the standard option)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 20 March 2020, 13:58:19
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement

Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh

If brass will happen then only ONE option will be available
A or B or C
I see... well probably would prefer C to keep the all black theme that Im thinking of
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:02:15
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatement
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatement

Yeh material, would love B or C, would probably even get both tbh

If brass will happen then only ONE option will be available
A or B or C
I see... well probably would prefer C to keep the all black theme that Im thinking of

+1
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:07:49
There is also only 1 plate option too right?

You mean in terms of plate material?
I'm aware that many really would like to see abrass option.
It's not ruled out, I'm looking into that.

If I would decide to offer a brass plate option, I'd furthermore have to decide if the brass plate will be:
A) just untreated brass
B) bead blasted brass, no additional treatment
C) bead blasted brass with black zink treatment

I would be cool with option B, but option C sounds the most interesting.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 March 2020, 14:57:37
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.

Great to hear. Regarding material, I'm personally not a big fan of brass - I prefer soft plates, so POM or polycarb would be super nice to see (maybe even half rather than full, don't wanna push my luck though).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: realxmlforce on Fri, 20 March 2020, 15:04:29
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.

Great to hear. Regarding material, I'm personally not a big fan of brass - I prefer soft plates, so POM or polycarb would be super nice to see (maybe even half rather than full, don't wanna push my luck though).

I too would like to see POM or PC plates. Is there a service like laserboost for plastic (POM/PC) somewhere in europe where you can get a plastic plate from a plate file?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: sleek on Fri, 20 March 2020, 17:30:50
Not off the table, I'm still looking into that.

Great to hear. Regarding material, I'm personally not a big fan of brass - I prefer soft plates, so POM or polycarb would be super nice to see (maybe even half rather than full, don't wanna push my luck though).

I'm also interested in flexible plates (maybe FR4 if you're already making custom PCBs) or a half-plate option. Looking forward to sale!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 20 March 2020, 17:53:50
Cool Plastik, nice you are considering alternate options to the steel plate

 + 1 C  :thumb:

Guys, the best option for a subtle "flex" uniform typing feel across the board is of course carbon fiber :p + 2

I am not sure pom or pc would work well for the larger sizes SKB2's, but i am no expert



Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 20 March 2020, 21:31:15
Guys, the best option for a subtle "flex" uniform typing feel across the board is of course carbon fiber :p + 2

I am not sure pom or pc would work well for the larger sizes SKB2's, but i am no expert

Carbon fibre is good too. It's similar to aluminium in my experience but I like it a little bit more.

I like pom/pc/etc on larger boards too, I think it works fine - I have TKLs with POM and nylon plates in them and I love it, but yea, preference.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Sat, 21 March 2020, 09:20:16

Carbon fibre is good too. It's similar to aluminium in my experience but I like it a little bit more.

I like pom/pc/etc on larger boards too, I think it works fine - I have TKLs with POM and nylon plates in them and I love it, but yea, preference.

Cool nice! i think i am just afraid of rage quitting and cracking the pc haha
I have cf plates in my SKB1 60/65% and love it, was not to much a fan of the steel plates, really heavy bois  ^-^
The cf is really nice and with orings they removed almost all of the metal ping + with a little help from some eva foam but for me aleast they feel awesome, i sent one to Mr P. But not sure if he tried it yet  :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:33:22
Is there any discord for the GB btw?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 21 March 2020, 16:46:32
I will set up a discord once the gb goes live, about two weeks from now.
mentioned in the todo section  ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 21 March 2020, 17:02:09
I will set up a discord once the gb goes live, about two weeks from now.
mentioned in the todo section  ;)

Oh... Ok!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 21 March 2020, 18:44:00
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?

Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 22 March 2020, 13:50:50
Will YAS PCBs be available during the GB again?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 07:51:41
Will YAS PCBs be available during the GB again?

Yes, about eight of those PCBs.
YAS option will only be available because I have those left from SKB1.
So YAS will only be a very small amount.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 07:59:05
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?

Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)

Yes, they fit. I have built one of the 60% prototypes with the "DZ60RGB V2 Hot Swap PCB" inside, there is enough clearance.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Obstsalatjaa on Mon, 23 March 2020, 08:15:33
Whats the price range ? Options
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 08:56:12
The price is TBD, like mentioned in the start post.
However, I did gave an estimate a few posts ago, here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2877295#msg2877295).

What do you mean by "Options"?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:40:32
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?

Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)

Yes, they fit. I have built one of the 60% prototypes with the "DZ60RGB V2 Hot Swap PCB" inside, there is enough clearance.

Oh, I see... if it can have kailh sockets it for sure can have mill max :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:45:10
Do you know if mill max sockets like 0305 would fit the case?

Edit: Wondering if I should get an extra PCB to have one hotswap and one not :)

Yes, they fit. I have built one of the 60% prototypes with the "DZ60RGB V2 Hot Swap PCB" inside, there is enough clearance.

Oh, I see... if it can have kailh sockets it for sure can have mill max :)

Exactly, that's what I was thinking ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:52:23
Quick question, what does early bird price include?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:56:38
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: teejstroyer on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:58:01
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 09:59:31
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 23 March 2020, 10:25:29
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)

Case, but I'm assuming plate, and no PCB? or also comes with PCB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 10:28:47
Case and plate. PCB will have to be added.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Mon, 23 March 2020, 10:31:47
Case and plate. PCB will have to be added.

Ok I see
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: darthcstis on Mon, 23 March 2020, 14:49:28
I noticed you have a render for the lunar keys in your banner, any chance you have a better picture of it? i just bought that key cap set and i think this board is the perfect board for them. Thank you.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Mon, 23 March 2020, 15:10:51
Yes, that's supposed to be lunar. I can make another rendering tomorrow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: cadrev on Mon, 23 March 2020, 15:21:35
Is it possible to have a rendering of GMK Nautilus with the yellow 75% case? I've been eye-ing this combo for a while now ever since seeing the RAMA M65 E-Yellow + GMK Nautilus combo. Looks like GMK Nautilus V2 GB should drop this april too so I guess that far off dream combo will come true  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: donutsandhorses on Mon, 23 March 2020, 16:19:45
I don't necessarily need a render (although it would be very appreciated), but what are your thoughts on grey vs. the Inox Nickel with SA Godspeed? I was hoping for naked Inox but the Nickel is still really interesting!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Mon, 23 March 2020, 21:29:53
If we are requesting renders, I'd love to know how GMK Taro will look on the 95%  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ZG2047 on Tue, 24 March 2020, 02:23:44
Would be nice if you made a final pool on colors in order to help you make the final decision
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Tue, 24 March 2020, 10:17:35
Nickel coated stainless will be one of the options?
Was actually deciding between nickel coated stainless and bead blasted stainless... Happy to get either... :) hope it is under 200 eurs with shipping and tax

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 24 March 2020, 13:01:43
Nickel coated stainless will be one of the options?
Was actually deciding between nickel coated stainless and bead blasted stainless... Happy to get either... :) hope it is under 200 eurs with shipping and tax

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You should definitely be good at under 200€, Plastik is in Germany so if you're in EU (which you probably are since you used euros) shipping will be reasonable and there'll be no additional VAT.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 March 2020, 13:11:04
Nickel coated stainless will be one of the options?
Was actually deciding between nickel coated stainless and bead blasted stainless... Happy to get either... :) hope it is under 200 eurs with shipping and tax

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You should definitely be good at under 200€, Plastik is in Germany so if you're in EU (which you probably are since you used euros) shipping will be reasonable and there'll be no additional VAT.

I think only the biggest version will land over 200€ - but that will be including PCB and shipping.
Bigger PCBs will of course be more expensive than smaller ones.
The 95% without PCB and shipping will be roughly 150€.
The 40% will be a little under 100€, the rest will fall inbetween.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 24 March 2020, 13:20:04
I think only the biggest version will land over 200€ - but that will be including PCB and shipping.
Bigger PCBs will of course be more expensive than smaller ones.
The 95% without PCB and shipping will be roughly 150€.
The 40% will be a little under 100€, the rest will fall inbetween.

Yea I was generalising a bit, I know your prices aren't set yet even, main take away was that there'll be no extra tax at play since it's an EU based GB and shipping tends to be reasonable.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: About on Tue, 24 March 2020, 15:35:59
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.

Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Tue, 24 March 2020, 15:47:37
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.

Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.

I think you can, just make sure the usb port is in the right place (although Plastik could confirm).

Also, you can use millmax sockets to get hotswap in the regular board

BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Tue, 24 March 2020, 15:59:11
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.

Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.

I think you can, just make sure the usb port is in the right place (although Plastik could confirm).

Also, you can use millmax sockets to get hotswap in the regular board

BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.

Wait, black not being made? I really want it!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:07:19
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.

For what it's worth, I think black will match Taro the least. :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:08:11
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.

For what it's worth, I think black will match Taro the least. :)
Which color would match it better then :)

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:13:53
Really liking the look of this board, but I have just one question.

Is it be possible to use a different PCB for the 65%? to add Hotswap for instance.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm fairly new to the custom keyboard scene.

I think you can, just make sure the usb port is in the right place (although Plastik could confirm).

Also, you can use millmax sockets to get hotswap in the regular board

BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.

Not a stupid question at all. Quit a few would like to use a PCB of their choice. In terms of feature and quality, I don't see any reason not to go for the PCBs fom Maarten. If hotswap is important to you, no problem. As nuno99costa mentioned, just make sure the usb port is at the same position. Otherwise you don't need to care much. It's a top mount construction and mounting holes in the PCB are no concern, they are not used at all.

Colors:
beige, gray, black and yellow
Mentioned with RAL colors here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2859437#msg2859437).

There will soon be a vote regarding the three beige RAL options.
Mentioned here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2875804#msg2875804).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:26:20
And sorry guys,

I didn't find the time to do more renderings today. Hopefully tomorrow.
BUT...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:27:28
First Picture

Some of the pictures (photos) are ready! Just a few, more will be done tomorrow.
Here is just one:

(https://i.imgur.com/02U9amR.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:42:15
First Picture

Some of the pictures (photos) are ready! Just a few, more will be done tomorrow.
Here is just one:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/02U9amR.jpg)


Been waiting for this one. Gorgeous.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: cadrev on Tue, 24 March 2020, 16:59:21
First Picture

Some of the pictures (photos) are ready! Just a few, more will be done tomorrow.
Here is just one:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/02U9amR.jpg)


Oof this is super nice!  What keyset is this? Can't wait for the photos :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:32:38
Oof this is super nice!  What keyset is this? Can't wait for the photos :D

That's GMK Serika by Zambumon (https://drop.com/buy/massdrop-x-zambumon-gmk-serika-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open).

More Photos tomorrrow :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Tue, 24 March 2020, 18:25:22
Ahh I'm in Singapore... Which is why I factored in the tax... 7% tax with shipping (probably 30eurs at least) will quickly add up... Either way still more worth than expensive keycaps hahaha... (used eur since that currency of the country it is made in, deserves the respect :))

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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ppnp253 on Tue, 24 March 2020, 18:47:30
Don't know if one was posted already, but is there a sound test? Or planning to have a sound test?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Tue, 24 March 2020, 20:58:33
Oh man this looks awesome, any idea what the pricing may look like?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: pwade3 on Tue, 24 March 2020, 21:09:02
BTW, Plastik, which colors are 100% getting made? Saw on one of your posts that black might not make it and I'm not sure if any of the other colors will match with gmk taro.

For what it's worth, I think black will match Taro the least. :)
Which color would match it better then :)

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If you wanna get real wild, I bet yellow with taro could be interesting.

Otherwise, probably grey would be the safe bet.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: riterdando on Wed, 25 March 2020, 04:08:59
Do I have to get an own Boardwalk PCB and Plate or will you offer this with the GB?


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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Wed, 25 March 2020, 06:26:23
Oh man this looks awesome, any idea what the pricing may look like?
Check reply #825
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 25 March 2020, 09:05:26
Oh man this looks awesome, any idea what the pricing may look like?
Check reply #825

Ahhh I totally missed that, I thought I read everything. Thanks for pointing it out.
Those are good looking prices.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: depletedvespene on Wed, 25 March 2020, 15:31:24
Okay, dumb question here: will we be able to order a specific form factor (say, TKL) and then ask for customized plates all in one go? (a clumsy git like me would really benefit from having the physical layout ready-made in the plate, so I won't end up soldering in the switches for the split spaces in the wrong order during the build, like... er... a friend... did).

Can we also order extra sets of nuts and bolts? I mean, if we can order extra plates and PCBs...

Looking forward to the GB!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 16:14:01
SKB2 & GMK Taro

pwade3 offered me his GMK Taro (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104934.0) color codes. I made some renders. Taro is very versatile. There are so many variations possible with the kits, really nice. I paired some with a gray and yellow SKB2:

(https://i.imgur.com/syxCrYj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TDuidWT.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/EjwMAro.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/1aKRbZi.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JN1hBO8.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/wnX3m5y.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/wDjuaKd.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/aBBacvh.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TLJdeGG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/A1Iix58.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/G4srRyp.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/X66WmaZ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JTpvRf9.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/gHB1GA7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/9FKcZ4C.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 16:36:40
Don't know if one was posted already, but is there a sound test? Or planning to have a sound test?

Yes, see here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 16:41:06
Do I have to get an own Boardwalk PCB and Plate or will you offer this with the GB?

The Boardwalk PCB is the only PCB that you would have to get elsewhere, MKULTRA, mentioned back here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2874840#msg2874840).
The plate will of course be included.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 16:43:21
Okay, dumb question here: will we be able to order a specific form factor (say, TKL) and then ask for customized plates all in one go? (a clumsy git like me would really benefit from having the physical layout ready-made in the plate, so I won't end up soldering in the switches for the split spaces in the wrong order during the build, like... er... a friend... did).

Can we also order extra sets of nuts and bolts? I mean, if we can order extra plates and PCBs...

Looking forward to the GB!

I'll help with custom plate files. Too early for that now though.
Extra nuts were already requested, I'll offer that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 25 March 2020, 16:53:31
By any chance, do you offer any foam or anything ahahah
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 17:02:24
By any chance, do you offer any foam or anything ahahah

No.
I can understand that some would want to modify their SKB1 with foam, but for the SKB2 I don't see no need for that. SKB2 is steel, which is much more dense and heavy compared to aluminium. It's also a different construction/design with less overall volume inside.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 25 March 2020, 19:27:37
Just added an FAQ in the start post.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: nuno99costa on Wed, 25 March 2020, 20:43:37
Just bought taro for this board. Super excited :)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: pott on Wed, 25 March 2020, 22:20:57
I am absolutely FLOORED by the options on here. I'm actually picking up my SKB1 60 with Boardwalk tomorrow, and I'm seriously considering a colorful 65 on this second run. Thanks for putting all of this together, with complete and comprehensive options for full kits too.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 March 2020, 12:33:44
SKB2 & GMK Nautilus

You asked for Nautilus. I asked Zambumon for permission. Green light. Here is Nautilus (Round 2 will start soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104475.0)) with the SKB2-75. Hope you like it.

(https://i.imgur.com/pgVpCA5.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/8BNTAY7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/C7rftUe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/sPpikul.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/0sQCO72.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ESnPVn6.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 27 March 2020, 12:39:04
Omg, that's gorgeous. To bad those GMK Sets don't come in ISO-DE, i would have had to order two cases otherwise..
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 27 March 2020, 12:45:39
Oh man, I'm so hyped for this board it looks purposeful. I definitely want a WKL-TKL board.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: norb on Fri, 27 March 2020, 12:52:49
Omg, that's gorgeous. To bad those GMK Sets don't come in ISO-DE, i would have had to order two cases otherwise..

nautilus 2 will have an international kit, and with the hype for it there might be a good chance for ISO-DE to be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 27 March 2020, 12:55:49
nautilus 2 will have an international kit, and with the hype for it there might be a good chance for ISO-DE to be possible.
Damn it... RIP my wallet.
Would you be able to provide a link to the Nautilus 2 Set? Is it a GB?

Edit: Whoops, sorry.. on the phone right now, didn't see the link.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 March 2020, 13:01:13
DUDE! it is linked in the post!

Here is Nautilus (Round 2 will start soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104475.0))

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: cadrev on Fri, 27 March 2020, 14:53:27
SKB2 & GMK Nautilus

You asked for Nautilus. I asked Zambumon for permission. Green light. Here is Nautilus (Round 2 will start soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104475.0)) with the SKB2-75. Hope you like it.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/pgVpCA5.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/8BNTAY7.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C7rftUe.jpg)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sPpikul.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/0sQCO72.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ESnPVn6.jpg)


ooooooooh ok, that settles it then. Empty wallet this April! Thank you so much for making this request!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:38:04
Some more photos

Sorry, I know, photos are still not done jet. But he sent me a few already. Let me show you.
The TKL (SKB2-80) is at the highest 12 degree angle and is dressed with GMK Carbon R2 (Bone base set) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97972.0). Yes that's with R0 and R5!

(https://i.imgur.com/fPEfJwy.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/6YWpRGi.jpg)

The black 60%, I had shown you before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661). It's set to the lowest 6 degree angle. Simple WoB set.

(https://i.imgur.com/QBvruRN.jpg)

Another 60% in yellow and dressed with GMK Serika, already teased earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2879428#msg2879428). I think it's set to 10 degree typing angle, not sure.

(https://i.imgur.com/kTFHx60.jpg)

The 65% stainless steel version, without the nickel treatment, only bead blasted. EPBT caps on. 8 degree typing angle, I think. I'm leaning more towards this bare stainless steel version, not the nickel treated.

(https://i.imgur.com/WFW1059.jpg)

I'll have a lot more on monday. Then with comparison of the three beige colors. Also bare stainless steel vs nickle stainless steel.
Then, please wach out for the google form in which we will vote on beige and stainless steel versions.
Almost there.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:41:02
Some more photos

Sorry, I know, photos are still not done jet. But he sent me a few already. Let me show you.
The TKL (SKB2-80) is at the highest 12 degree angle and is dressed with GMK Carbon R2 (Bone base set) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=97972.0). Yes that's with R0 and R5!

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/fPEfJwy.jpg)
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/6YWpRGi.jpg)


The black 60%, I had shown you before (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2865661#msg2865661). It's set to the lowest 6 degree angle. Simple WoB set.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/QBvruRN.jpg)


Another 60% in yellow and dressed with GMK Serika, already teased earlier (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2879428#msg2879428). I think it's set to 10 degree typing angle, not sure.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kTFHx60.jpg)


The 65% stainless steel version, without the nickel treatment, only bead blasted. EPBT caps on. 8 degree typing angle, I think. I'm leaning more towards this bare stainless steel version, not the nickel treated.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WFW1059.jpg)


I'll have a lot more on monday. Then with comparison of the three beige colors. Also bare stainless steel vs nickle stainless steel.
Then, please wach out for the google form in which we will vote on beige and stainless steel versions.
Almost there.

No no no. Stop it my poor heart can't take this. It's so pretty, not only am I waiting for the GB now I'm even considering more keycaps...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:42:52
No no no. Stop it my poor heart can't take this. It's so pretty, not only am I waiting for the GB now I'm even considering more keycaps...

 ;D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:46:27
If I may ask a quick question. Is the TKL with the Carbon set on it the Nickel plated SS?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:48:27
No, that is also powder coated. RAL7039, Feinstruktur.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 27 March 2020, 18:50:57
No, that is also powder coated. RAL7039, Feinstruktur.

Well now things just got harder. I was stuck on SS but RAL7039 looks very good.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: templa23 on Fri, 27 March 2020, 20:32:16
ugh the yellow and the stainless steel are so good looking, wonder if I can get 2 boards with my early bird entry now
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: vaf1en on Sat, 28 March 2020, 08:47:33
I am all in for an HHKB stainless steel version.
Like others have stated, I am also tempted to buy multiple boards and not just the one.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Sat, 28 March 2020, 11:45:25
Will we also get to vote on 4 or 5 keys in the top right of the 95% version in that poll?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Sat, 28 March 2020, 12:22:39
In the photos, it looks like the yellow has a much more textured matte finish than the black and the dolch grey. Is this just the photo?
Also the black looks like it has a bit of metal flake sort of like this (https://www.paintwithpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/CanAmCorvette011-e1438200751793.jpg). I'm guessing that's just some dust?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 28 March 2020, 13:25:50
Will we also get to vote on 4 or 5 keys in the top right of the 95% version in that poll?

Yes, I'll put that into the same form.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 28 March 2020, 13:28:06
In the photos, it looks like the yellow has a much more textured matte finish than the black and the dolch grey. Is this just the photo?
Also the black looks like it has a bit of metal flake sort of like this (https://www.paintwithpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/CanAmCorvette011-e1438200751793.jpg). I'm guessing that's just some dust?

Black and yellow have the same "Feinstruktur" texture. The different look is due to the light angle. It's just the photo.

Regarding grey/dolch, yeah you got that right. The grey/dolch is also "Feinstruktur" but it turns out different compared to black and yellow, indeed. The reason for that is simple. That grey/dolch one is from the second prototype batch and I had too many stainless steel versions made but then wanted more to get powder coated. So a stainless steel versions got powder coated instead of standard steel. The powder behaves different on stainless compared to standard steel. Has to do with the phosphate layer that gets generated in the preparation phase before the actual coating. The structure of the final grey/dolch will be just like the structure you see on black and yellow.

The black (RAL 9005) has no flakes in it and there is no dust. What you see in the pictures is reflections. In reality it's the same level of matte/texture/graininess like yellow.
You can see the same flakyness in the GMK WoB caps and you know that in realiyu they don't have any sorts of flaky/funky stuff going on. Jet the low sunlight make them look like that.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: jauny on Sat, 28 March 2020, 14:57:04
this looks amazing!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: eebogaine on Sat, 28 March 2020, 15:29:34
In the photos, it looks like the yellow has a much more textured matte finish than the black and the dolch grey. Is this just the photo?
Also the black looks like it has a bit of metal flake sort of like this (https://www.paintwithpearl.com/wp-content/uploads/CanAmCorvette011-e1438200751793.jpg). I'm guessing that's just some dust?

Black and yellow have the same "Feinstruktur" texture. The different look is due to the light angle. It's just the photo.

Regarding grey/dolch,
More
yeah you got that right. The grey/dolch is also "Feinstruktur" but it turns out different compared to black and yellow, indeed. The reason for that is simple. That grey/dolch one is from the second prototype batch and I had too many stainless steel versions made but then wanted more to get powder coated. So a stainless steel versions got powder coated instead of standard steel. The powder behaves different on stainless compared to standard steel. Has to do with the phosphate layer that gets generated in the preparation phase before the actual coating. The structure of the final grey/dolch will be just like the structure you see on black and yellow.

The black (RAL 9005) has no flakes in it and there is no dust. What you see in the pictures is reflections. In reality it's the same level of matte/texture/graininess like yellow.
You can see the same flakyness in the GMK WoB caps and you know that in realiyu they don't have any sorts of flaky/funky stuff going on. Jet the low sunlight make them look like that.

That makes sense. Thanks for all the details Plastik!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sat, 28 March 2020, 22:02:26
I've been sitting on this a while but what are different colors for keycaps that would work on either of the stainless steel versions?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Sun, 29 March 2020, 04:38:26
I've been sitting on this a while but what are different colors for keycaps that would work on either of the stainless steel versions?

i think it depends on what is ur preference for the color combi. dont think there right or wrong for the matter, just any color keycap set that suits ur budget and also ur taste.
i think epbt 9009 sky dolch is not bad with the bead blasted stainless
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.61501ed6bt0E5V&id=612394278010&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

Else you can also choose the epbt dolch
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.34.61501ed6bt0E5V&id=612295681265&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

Here are some light grey + grey variants with russian or korean (dyesubs)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.238.61501ed6bt0E5V&id=45584946553&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

If you like lighter color keycaps you can consider some offwhites
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.35.7f987b0arvFErI&id=570292227346&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

Alternatively if you want muted cool colors (but also adventurous)you can consider this monte carlo set (dyesub)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.16.777c4e97JG1c3C&id=577333201218&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

If you dont want to have too much spares lying around and would like some colors
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.34.5ce23826oU78SQ&id=607929952948&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
 
other options (xda)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.61.5ce23826oU78SQ&id=599345367985&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.139.5ce23826oU78SQ&id=613508415802&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.295.5ce23826oU78SQ&id=595985919516&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.272.5ce23826oU78SQ&id=613018797171&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

other options (mda)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.27.2ef3c94bEbIR0y&id=602759736588&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

other options (dsa)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.15.4adc1dcb2RmpfU&id=604092038912&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.36.4adc1dcb2RmpfU&id=573081167849&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.29.4adc1dcb2RmpfU&id=565142467397&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.29.4adc1dcb2RmpfU&id=565142467397&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

other options (sa)
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.28.376d321auIGRw6&id=571011937674&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.69.376d321auIGRw6&id=611560342882&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.133.376d321auIGRw6&id=607829363338&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.114.376d321auIGRw6&id=604878957325&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.107.376d321auIGRw6&id=611183734706&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail

if you are feeling rich you can consider some of the GMK that are running or are going to run soon as well, depends on the wallet situation.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Sun, 29 March 2020, 07:43:49
in any case i was scouting around for the rest of the IC or GB here in the forum, if money permits i would probably get the GMK Lux by Zambumon...

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103859.150

for my previous set of SA Chocolatier and that started the route of expensive keycaps. but those links from china are fairly decent looking as well, if u aren't specificially liking what is on offer right now, i suggest get a cheap doubleshot taihao set as starters... until u find what u like.

i think it would be much better to spend later on keycaps, but buy a few more boards and cases if u really like this
:D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Sun, 29 March 2020, 08:07:01
@PlastikSchnittstelle

just for my understanding, for the 75% or 65% or 1800 boards, is it possible to order it with JST connector (and daughter board that maartenwut offers) and without the type C pre-installed ?
because i was thinking if i shld mod in a tiny 4 port USB hub into the case (probably dependent on the clearance available in the case as well)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 29 March 2020, 09:43:41
Some more photos

I'm leaning more towards this bare stainless steel version, not the nickel treated.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/WFW1059.jpg)


I'll have a lot more on monday. Then with comparison of the three beige colors. Also bare stainless steel vs nickle stainless steel.
Then, please wach out for the google form in which we will vote on beige and stainless steel versions.
Almost there.

Plastik! wew rollercoaster :P and game changer, awesome  :thumb:

@PlastikSchnittstelle

just for my understanding, for the 75% or 65% or 1800 boards, is it possible to order it with JST connector (and daughter board that maartenwut offers) and without the type C pre-installed ?
because i was thinking if i shld mod in a tiny 4 port USB hub into the case (probably dependent on the clearance available in the case as well)


Maarten will most likely add a breakout for vcc d- d+ gnd, he usually does on his pcbs
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 29 March 2020, 09:47:29
@PlastikSchnittstelle

just for my understanding, for the 75% or 65% or 1800 boards, is it possible to order it with JST connector (and daughter board that maartenwut offers) and without the type C pre-installed ?
because i was thinking if i shld mod in a tiny 4 port USB hub into the case (probably dependent on the clearance available in the case as well)

They all have the JST connector.
I don't see any way of modding the steel. Steel is not aluminium (though even with aluminium you would probably just end up destoying the case), no way you can mod anything there.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: RETURNISO on Sun, 29 March 2020, 10:11:55
Nice with the jst on the pcb,
Well, could use a large bench drill for some in-depth mods :p but NOT RECOMMENDED..
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Dystopia on Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:03:29
I haven't been following the thread recently, but is there any info on whether a more "standard" 65% layout will be produced? I've seen the renders with them but from what I remember the many renders doesn't mean that a specific layout will be produced. The layout I'm talking about is the one with only the tiny blocker between the arrow keys and the rest of the bottom row.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:13:48
I asked that recently, the standard one will be produced, I think there were 3 different 65% layouts being produced
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: bigapplepietart on Fri, 03 April 2020, 11:31:08
Man these are CLEAN!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 03 April 2020, 13:47:42
I haven't been following the thread recently, but is there any info on whether a more "standard" 65% layout will be produced? I've seen the renders with them but from what I remember the many renders doesn't mean that a specific layout will be produced. The layout I'm talking about is the one with only the tiny blocker between the arrow keys and the rest of the bottom row.

From the OP:
(https://i.imgur.com/EXuR27F.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 03 April 2020, 23:42:21
The maarten pcb shld support all the relevant 65% layouts, think that Pic is what that will be made... (could be wrong though)... Wait for the all in prices then you can decide :)

Sent from my Redmi K20 Pro using Tapatalk

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sat, 04 April 2020, 03:16:09
This keyboard looks interesting. As a fairly newcomer into the hobby I'm looking for a keyboard case with the option to put in my own PCB, switches and make my first build and not break the bank.
Photos so far looks good, I also like the fact that the first key is positioned fairly "low" which means my wrists wont have to be so flexed and strained during typing.

Since there are prototypes already, will we be able to see some kind of typing test to hear sound etc?

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 04 April 2020, 03:35:49
Plastik's TODO list (At the beginnings of the IC) includes this following step:
"send out some prototypes to review"
Soon to come.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sat, 04 April 2020, 04:38:57
Yes, it's all in the start post: updates, todos and faq.
A typing demo is also there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578), though this isn't linked in the start post jet.

@ Konstantin and Coconut:
Thanks for answering and linking to the info, it's a simple thing but always a big help.

Had no time for this last week, will resume next week.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sat, 04 April 2020, 05:26:12
Yes, it's all in the start post: updates, todos and faq.
A typing demo is also there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578), though this isn't linked in the start post jet.

@ Konstantin and Coconut:
Thanks for answering and linking to the info, it's a simple thing but always a big help.

Had no time for this last week, will resume next week.

The typing test sounds good! The spacebar was a bit loud but that can probably be modded I think.

I don't understand the complete construction but is it possible to adjust the degree slope?

As long as the price is kept at budget this will definitely be a buy!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: honoka on Sat, 04 April 2020, 06:27:27
Yes, it's all in the start post: updates, todos and faq.
A typing demo is also there (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578), though this isn't linked in the start post jet.

@ Konstantin and Coconut:
Thanks for answering and linking to the info, it's a simple thing but always a big help.

Had no time for this last week, will resume next week.

The typing test sounds good! The spacebar was a bit loud but that can probably be modded I think.

I don't understand the complete construction but is it possible to adjust the degree slope?

As long as the price is kept at budget this will definitely be a buy!
All of your questions are answered in the first post. This first post is one of the best, most comprehensive I have ever seen. It has links to everything mentioned so you don't have to search for it through all the pages.
The least we can do is read that post.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:51:47
Definitely interested, looking forward to it :) 
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sat, 04 April 2020, 18:49:34
I just realized that the only PCB I own has the usb connection on the right side not left.
Am I doomed now or is there a possibility to do some kind of modding?

As far as I know the HS60 is the ONLY 60% ISO Hotswap RGB PCB on the market.
If anyone else knows a 60/65% or TKL with ISO layout, RGB per key and Hotswap with usb connection on the right side please tell me.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 04 April 2020, 19:23:49
I just realized that the only PCB I own has the usb connection on the right side not left.
Am I doomed now or is there a possibility to do some kind of modding?

As far as I know the HS60 is the ONLY 60% ISO Hotswap RGB PCB on the market.
If anyone else knows a 60/65% or TKL with ISO layout, RGB per key and Hotswap with usb connection on the right side please tell me.

HS60 is a standard 60% like the dz60
the usb is on the same side
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Azurewrath on Sat, 04 April 2020, 19:27:12
Also, you can make almost every pcb into a hotswap one with ic sockets from Mill-Max or others. That's what i'm planning to do with the 95 PCBs i'll purchase with the cases. :)
(Since i'm still pretty new to this, someone please correct me if i'm wrong.)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Sat, 04 April 2020, 19:44:28
Also, you can make almost every pcb into a hotswap one with ic sockets from Mill-Max or others. That's what i'm planning to do with the 95 PCBs i'll purchase with the cases. :)
(Since i'm still pretty new to this, someone please correct me if i'm wrong.)

Yep thats what im also doing. just get some mill-max sockets from farnell or digikey
but you need to solder them
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ecbob on Sat, 04 April 2020, 23:45:14
Are colors finalized? If not, will you consider lilac?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sun, 05 April 2020, 00:51:15
Are colors finalized? If not, will you consider lilac?

Can you people even read?

It's just there in the OP, the way it was always meant to be!

If you're more into discord, consider it to be pinned post then I guess.

Quote
Two different kind of coatings/finishes will be offered. Powder coating for the steel cases and a stainless steel version which gets bead blasted and nickel coated. In the beginning the only powder coating color I knew I wanted to offer was beige in order to fit OG classic beige cherry keycaps. After a few more colors were discussed, I settled on four different colors for powder coating (beige, gray, black and yellow). The specific RAL color that will be used as beige is jet to be decided, a google form for voting will follow.
For more details on the powder coating and stainless steel option, please read the various posts regarding this, scattered throughout the thread. The update section at the end of this start post should help you find important posts quickly.

And if you still can't read, then no, colors are not finalized and no, lilac will not be considered.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sun, 05 April 2020, 02:47:45
I just realized that the only PCB I own has the usb connection on the right side not left.
Am I doomed now or is there a possibility to do some kind of modding?

As far as I know the HS60 is the ONLY 60% ISO Hotswap RGB PCB on the market.
If anyone else knows a 60/65% or TKL with ISO layout, RGB per key and Hotswap with usb connection on the right side please tell me.

HS60 is a standard 60% like the dz60
the usb is on the same side

I guess I was so tired when I wrote that. You're right the HS60 will fit! :D Now I'm even more hyped!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: edctog on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:29:34
I really like the industrial look of this and the long term viability of this case when the PCB is dead. However, I couldn't find any video with typing test on the previous case (SKBXX). For typing test on this current case, I guess we'll have to wait till the samples are sent out.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:50:06
I really like the industrial look of this and the long term viability of this case when the PCB is dead. However, I couldn't find any video with typing test on the previous case (SKBXX). For typing test on this current case, I guess we'll have to wait till the samples are sent out.

There is a typing test somwhere in this thread, I'm not exactly sure where. At least I do believe I have seen it.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ZG2047 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 01:29:53
I can't wait.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 03:19:02
I really like the industrial look of this and the long term viability of this case when the PCB is dead. However, I couldn't find any video with typing test on the previous case (SKBXX). For typing test on this current case, I guess we'll have to wait till the samples are sent out.

There is a typing test somwhere in this thread, I'm not exactly sure where. At least I do believe I have seen it.

Yes, I posted it a while ago, it's here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861578#msg2861578).
I forgot to include it in the start post. Now it's in there as well.

Some more of the photos and the form for voting on beige will follow later today.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 09 April 2020, 03:24:43

Some more of the photos and the form for voting on beige will follow later today.

Can't wait!
What about nickel-plated/bare bb steel options vote?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Kaleidoua on Thu, 09 April 2020, 08:58:33
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 09:22:37
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?

The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 09 April 2020, 10:19:48
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?

The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.

(Attachment Link)

would you offer plates for specific layouts if requested at an extra?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Thu, 09 April 2020, 10:29:26
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 10:58:07
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?

The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.

(Attachment Link)

would you offer plates for specific layouts if requested at an extra?

You mean not just the file (you would have to get it made yourself) but get the actual, physical, custom plate made for you?
If that's what you mean, I'll find out if that might be an option. So, maybe.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:01:42
Q: I want a custom plate.
A: I'll make a custom plate file for everyone who wants it. Let's just wait with that until the GroupBuy has started.

Does this mean that I can for example have a plate that supports HHKB and ISO enter?

The standard plate that comes with the 60% does already support that.
But if you would like a dedicated plate, supporting only you layout (not unified), then yes, I will make the file for you.

(Attachment Link)

would you offer plates for specific layouts if requested at an extra?

You mean not just the file (you would have to get it made yourself) but get the actual, physical, custom plate made for you?
If that's what you mean, I'll find out if that might be an option. So, maybe.

Yeh, an actual physical plate :). Well a maybe is always good!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:06:04
It's so damn difficult to put together pictures that realisticly demonstrate the differences of the three beige RAL colors (9001, 9002 and 1013).
Form to vote on beige today, will include some more questions.
Have put this off for too long now!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:14:27
It's so damn difficult to put together pictures that realisticly demonstrate the differences of the three beige RAL colors (9001, 9002 and 1013).
Form to vote on beige today, will include some more questions.
Have put this off for too long now!

How long do you think until GB opens?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:24:28
I hope one week from now.
Let's get that beige vote form out first and wait for a good amount of answers.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Bl4ck on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:25:31
I hope one week from now.
Let's get that beige vote form out first and wait for a good amount of answers.

Can everyone vote even tho I will get the black?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:32:39
I hope one week from now.
Let's get that beige vote form out first and wait for a good amount of answers.

Can everyone vote even tho I will get the black?

Everyone can vote
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: darthcstis on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:41:42
Will there be a render of the lunar key cap set like you have in the banner ? I’m curious to see it in black, yellow and the nickel color before I decide the color of board, this board is perfect for that key set
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 11:45:32
I may have time for more renderings next week.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:11:15
Hi Plastik. If you drop it this evening, could you leave the beige vote form at least until noon tomorrow. Won't be able to vote tonight. Thanks
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:12:37
totally, I wanna leave it open for at least a few days. most don't check back daily here.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ppnp253 on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:15:12
How rough are the edges of the steel on the bottom? Is rubber padding or something an option to cover the edges so it doesn't scratch surfaces/snag on clothes?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 12:24:50
How rough are the edges of the steel on the bottom? Is rubber padding or something an option to cover the edges so it doesn't scratch surfaces/snag on clothes?

It comes with feet, look here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2861577#msg2861577).

It isn't sharp. I use it on a desk mat since a few months now and there aren't any traces from the case at all.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: fedemito on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:23:42
Hi plastik, if it's possible, can we have a render with ePBT Ivory? Maybe on one of the beige colours.
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 13:59:44
Maybe, please remind me next week.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: honoka on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:02:27
I follow the thread closely and I'm so intrigued to see so many requests for renders.
When I was young, we were told to use our imagination :D
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:04:21
Vote on Beige

Have put together some pictures that I hope will give you the most accurate representation of the colors possible. Keep in mind that what you see on this pictures can't be accurate 100%, depends a lot on the quality of the display you are watching this on.

My opinion:
- RAL 9001 (in reality) is looks slightly pinkish. That does not go that well with cherry classic beige caps, since their alpha base color is more towards yellow and even seems to have a slight tint of green. Hard to explain.
- RAL 9002 is a bit too neutral for classic beige
- RAL 1013 is the best fit IMO

Pro pictures:

(https://i.imgur.com/s1XXvPC.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/cvP3IPe.jpg)

RGB colors:

(https://i.imgur.com/7hvuuop.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/qVVC5oQ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ePn0F9D.jpg)

Mobile pictures:

(https://i.imgur.com/AXQBlv0.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/7ApkGU5.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/sZgCAn6.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2R3yfjt.jpg)

Take your time and then vote. Other questions like about that extra key on the 95% is also included.
Vote on stainless steel bead blasted vs stainless steel bead blasted with nickel treatment as well. I'm totally for stainless steel bead blasted WITHOUT the nickel treatment, because with nickel it looks too brown and attracts fingerprints much more than without it.
Here is the link to the google form:


LINK TO FORM (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeMxVL7eiH8NuABCzOGyJOTIoN98-tX7hgLBSAQyHL4djusUA/viewform?usp=sf_link)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:05:02
Extra key on 95%

To compare before voting:

(https://i.imgur.com/76P1oRp.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/weLIkkl.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:08:35
Photos

(https://i.imgur.com/nOUK6b3.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/kOuuzyM.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/M1j7Nu9.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/TvVrziA.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/He508jU.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/f7yvLGg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/QnYaIRO.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ytUcLzq.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/CuYD25D.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Y8u4uNG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/gzvF4gG.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/GtNAFEM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SGp0g2S.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/BEQHXtJ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/ReRRbft.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Qhbsco0.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/UvAiwiv.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: benfrain on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:09:06
I follow the thread closely and I'm so intrigued to see so many requests for renders.
When I was young, we were told to use our imagination :D
What he said!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:12:53
Can't prioritize the beige color in the vote, there're only checkboxes(.
Anyway, 1013 is the best one, IMO, then 9001 and 9002 is way too greyish. I've chosen 1013 and 9001.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:19:13
Can't prioritize the beige color in the vote, there're only checkboxes(.
Anyway, 1013 is the best one, IMO, then 9001 and 9002 is way too greyish. I've chosen 1013 and 9001.

yes, you can multivote. maybe there are two option you are fine with or maybe you like them all. so you can check just one, two or even all of them.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: fedemito on Thu, 09 April 2020, 14:24:22
Maybe, please remind me next week.

Thanks! I will.  :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: FadedSea on Thu, 09 April 2020, 15:13:57
I've been eyeing the bead blasted with Nickel coating for a while, but thats just my 2¢
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 09 April 2020, 16:07:38
1013 is by far the superior colour. Cool to see this is getting real close to release!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Nim on Thu, 09 April 2020, 18:38:52
I've been eyeing the bead blasted with Nickel coating for a while, but thats just my 2¢

Yeah, that's still the one I'm planning to get. Black does look nice as well though
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: eebogaine on Thu, 09 April 2020, 22:55:01
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)
This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: eebogaine on Thu, 09 April 2020, 23:26:20
I'd also like to point out that RAL 1013 is the closest match mathematically, with RAL 9002 a very close second.

According to the current standard (CIE DE2000):
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 1013 (228,217,199) = dE 2.9505
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9001 (233,224,209) = dE 3.772
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9002 (215,212,203) = dE 2.9883

Lower delta-E value means closer match. Delta-E of <2 is considered imperceptible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 10 April 2020, 04:00:07
I actually prefer how the grayish RAL 9002 looks over the RAL 1013. But the RAL 9001 isn't as good of a match, imo.

@Plastik, it might be a good idea to add direct comparison pics of SS vs SS w/ nickel to your voting post, since not everyone will have seen them, and it may not be obvious from the photos which one it is.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Kaleidoua on Fri, 10 April 2020, 05:11:57
Personally I prefer the look of 9002. But if you're looking for that "old looking keyboard" color then RAL 1013 is what you want. But personally I don't like that look I rather have something look a bit more white and stylish.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 10 April 2020, 06:28:03
I've been eyeing the bead blasted with Nickel coating for a while, but thats just my 2¢

Yeah, that's still the one I'm planning to get. Black does look nice as well though

I think what draws you to the nickel treated one might be the black caps that are a very nice fit. I've put the same Tai Hao PBT caps onto the none nickel treated, stainless steel version. Maybe now this version looks more compelling to you?

;)

Photos in the following post...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 10 April 2020, 06:28:28
More stainless steel photos

(https://i.imgur.com/txua2tS.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/j2p6W0X.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/2oTySU4.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/RIsQ6Xj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/h9ufsNe.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/OSS7OLS.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 10 April 2020, 06:29:40
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?
Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)

This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.

that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:41:42
In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?
Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)

This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.

that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.

That's a very standard USB-C connector, so if that fits, I think the majority of cables will fit (including custom ones, since they usually just have heatshrink). Therefore, tight is definitely the way to go imho.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: norb on Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:47:09
will only one of the two SS options be offered? non-treated or nickel?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 10 April 2020, 07:48:59
Exactly, only one of them. That's why you can't vote for one ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: FadedSea on Fri, 10 April 2020, 12:51:04
The SS without nickel treatment looks great, but I have GMK Firefly coming in and the caps are a nice match with the nickel treatment.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:33:07
Bare stainless stell go  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Kaleidoua on Fri, 10 April 2020, 13:34:59
Exactly, only one of them. That's why you can't vote for one ;)

Can you post a photo comparison between them? Not sure which one is which.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 10 April 2020, 15:45:19
I actually prefer how the grayish RAL 9002 looks over the RAL 1013. But the RAL 9001 isn't as good of a match, imo.

@Plastik, it might be a good idea to add direct comparison pics of SS vs SS w/ nickel to your voting post, since not everyone will have seen them, and it may not be obvious from the photos which one it is.

Exactly, only one of them. That's why you can't vote for one ;)

Can you post a photo comparison between them? Not sure which one is which.

only phone atm. not really comfortable. there is a comparison picture in the start post, under "prototype 2" pictures. the slightly darker, more brownish one is always the nickel treated.

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: RETURNISO on Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:12:43
Super updates and nice with the pictures, really helps especially with the 3 beige colors :thumb:
Nickel for the sleeper, 1013 for the win :p
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:46:05
Hey were the dimensions for the keyboards mentioned at any point? I was just curious to know the sizing.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: chris_1865 on Fri, 10 April 2020, 21:31:31
Can't wait the group buy starts!
Vote 9001 for the beige color :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: synchromatik on Sat, 11 April 2020, 13:36:52
PCB layouts

Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:

Eon40:
(Attachment Link)

Plain60-C:
(Attachment Link)

Eon65:
(Attachment Link)

Eon75:
(Attachment Link)

Eon87:
(Attachment Link)

Eon95:
(Attachment Link)

any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Senor Coconut on Sat, 11 April 2020, 16:28:58
The Boardwalk, sold by MKUltra, is a 60% split spacebar option, and the layout is included in this GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:56:22
I'd also like to point out that RAL 1013 is the closest match mathematically, with RAL 9002 a very close second.

According to the current standard (CIE DE2000):
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 1013 (228,217,199) = dE 2.9505
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9001 (233,224,209) = dE 3.772
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9002 (215,212,203) = dE 2.9883

Lower delta-E value means closer match. Delta-E of <2 is considered imperceptible.

Super helpful info, thanks a lot!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:56:54
Hey were the dimensions for the keyboards mentioned at any point? I was just curious to know the sizing.  :thumb:

No, I think I hadn't mentioned exact dimensions jet, as far as I can remember. Will be back in office after easter, there I have all my files. Then I can tell.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:00:39
PCB layouts

Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:

Eon40:
(Attachment Link)

Plain60-C:
(Attachment Link)

Eon65:
(Attachment Link)

Eon75:
(Attachment Link)

Eon87:
(Attachment Link)

Eon95:
(Attachment Link)

any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)

You're right, the 60% standard plate supported a lot of layouts. For the SKB2 I try to focuse only on the basic and more common layouts. The Plain60-C PCB does it the same way. In my experience, especially around the spacebar key area it can be very detrimental for the build if the switch does not sit perfectly in its spot. I want a good as possible experience for most, even if I have to exclude a few options.

If you want a split spacebar plate, I can make you the file.

Plate and PCB for the SKB2-80/TKL are the only ones that supports split spacebar. No, wait, the two orthos, Boradwalk and 40% have split spacebar support as well.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:03:17

only phone atm. not really comfortable. there is a comparison picture in the start post, under "prototype 2" pictures. the slightly darker, more brownish one is always the nickel treated.

(https://i.imgur.com/9YLIxg6.jpg)

This one? The brownish is the treated one and the other is not treated?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:06:14
Exactly, that's the one I meant. Thanks!
Imo, the blacks caps make any of the two look better.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Kaleidoua on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:08:55
Exactly, that's the one I meant. Thanks!
Imo, the blacks caps make any of the two look better.

The treated one actually looks great, especially with black keycaps. Did yotu say it was a magnet to fingerprints tho? I think I might have voted for the other one without knowing how it actually looked  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:20:00
Bare Stainless steel, bead blasted without the nickel treatment leads by far.

Which is makes sense, imo. Treating the surface of a high quality metal (V2A stainless steel) with an metal that is considered to be of lesser quality (nickel) does not make a lot of sense. The nickel finish would only make sense on normal steel, which would benefit from this as it is a corrosion protection.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: bigapplepietart on Sun, 12 April 2020, 12:08:35
I prefer 9001 or bare stainless.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Bl4ck on Sun, 12 April 2020, 13:22:54
Are you set on plate materials plastik?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: ZG2047 on Sun, 12 April 2020, 13:46:26
any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)

If you really want one you can get a custom plate and then get the PCB you want you just need a PCB that fits
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Mecarill on Mon, 13 April 2020, 03:27:47
Possible to see how the black 60 looks with Langelandia's Græn keycap set?

Really looking forward to the start of this GB!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: honoka on Mon, 13 April 2020, 05:02:23
Possible to see how the black 60 looks with Langelandia's Græn keycap set?

Really looking forward to the start of this GB!
please don't take his time making endless amounts of renders. use your imagination or just look at the color codes and see how they would match. not trying to be unfriendly but that's the easiest for you to get your answer
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: SihTzu on Tue, 14 April 2020, 03:50:50
This case is terrific and - most notably - it is affordable. This will be right candidate for my first custom build.

My choice will be the SKB2-95. I appreciate the decision to add one more key in the layout - the more the better. :-)

I'm not sure which color to choose for the anticipated KAM Wraith keycaps. Black or grey case. Not sure if the color of the brownish grey case is complementing well with the more bluish keycaps of Wraith. Maybe the black case is the better choice...

Looking forward for the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: BigBabyJesus on Tue, 14 April 2020, 12:10:10
Oof! That white one with the 9009.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: depletedvespene on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:10:04
I'm now at the point where I'm choosing colors for each of the cases I'll be ordering (two TKLs and one 75%). Or should I go with three TKLs instead and avoid choosing which form factor gets to be the black unit?  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: RominRonin on Tue, 14 April 2020, 20:24:11
I’m tempted to get a custom that supports the Tsuka60 PCB I’m working on.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: vaf1en on Wed, 15 April 2020, 01:26:01
I'm now at the point where I'm choosing colors for each of the cases I'll be ordering (two TKLs and one 75%). Or should I go with three TKLs instead and avoid choosing which form factor gets to be the black unit?  :thumb:
Aiming for a yellow 40s and a stainless HHKB. The affordability of this board is awesome. :)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: honoka on Wed, 15 April 2020, 04:49:26
if I buy the tkl, would it be cool to also add some 60% pcb's?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 15 April 2020, 11:49:36
Do we have winner in beige and stainless?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 15 April 2020, 11:51:24
I’m definitely more drawn to the beige than any other colour (black would be a second place if that matters).
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Azurewrath on Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:06:12
I originally thought i'd buy grey and/or yellow.. but that 1013 beige looks so sexy and vintage.. especially in combination with old cherry caps... mhm...  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:50:46
Are you set on plate materials plastik?

WELL...
There have been a few posts in this thread where this question came up and I had explained why I think that steel is a sensible option in the context of this case and group buy.
BUT...
I'm aware that a lot of you want to see a brass option. Even if I personally feel that the difference between steel and brass is minimal, I don't think that it would be ok to force you to use a steel plate by making it the only available option.
SO...
There will probably be an option to upgrade to a brass plate. Since I want to keep the matte black look, the brass plates will be bead blasted and then get the same black zink treatment like the steel plates. Brass is noticeably more expensive and adding the bead blasting + black zink coating will make this option a premium. Anyway, you will have the option.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:52:48
if I buy the tkl, would it be cool to also add some 60% pcb's?

You'll be able to add any of the PCBs.
So even if you buy a TKL, adding a 60% will be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:54:31
Do we have winner in beige and stainless?

Yes, to all questions a pretty clear winners emerged. Here is a simple screenshot (in the last question, green and blue is the same, I just corrected a spelling mistake after the form had already started to collect answers and google forms separated that):

[attach=1]
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:58:05
One small piece of news:

I really don't want to manage all your addresses with google sheets and have to write all the paypal invoices manually again. That's why I'm currently setting up a simple store, not that I want to run a shop, it's just to have a backend and database to make GB management easier for me - hopefully!

Yep, that's another reason why it takes a bit longer. GB start not happening this week, probably next week.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:14:48
RAL1013 Winner shots

(https://i.imgur.com/hEBuqQj.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/UiVJnjc.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/FHZCAaa.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/JKl5pZb.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/J9aGd28.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/SA1miq1.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: xMx_Miller on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:34:29
How long are you planning to run the groupbuy for? I get payed end of next week, really want to get the skb95.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:36:59
standard group buy runtime, one month or five weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:39:40
I know its probably still early to ask, but any estimated lead time?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:45:00
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:47:37
standard group buy runtime, one month or five weeks.

That's great! I might even get a 1800 version added to the HHKB 60% I've chosen during the first early bird.
The vote turned out perfect for me except maybe Nickel-coated option is ditched, but with that fingerprint issue I guess it's for good.

Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: Bl4ck on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:50:06
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.

Oh cool! Idk why but with so many variants i thought it would take much longer
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:54:30
If I have 1 or 100 variants, does not have a big influence on the production time.
Otherwise I would not be offering that many variants ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Kaleidoua on Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:10:36
Any information regarding more specific pricing points for different sizes yet?
The affordability of this keyboard might be one of the main selling points for me :) Looking for a 60 or 65% in size.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: SihTzu on Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:52:18
Yes, to all questions a pretty clear winners emerged. Here is a simple screenshot (in the last question, green and blue is the same, I just corrected a spelling mistake after the form had already started to collect answers and google forms separated that):

As I'm interested in 95% the results for the additional key in top row is not what I would like to see.  :'(
I hoped that the additional key will come in the final layout. That is too bad if not.

Maybe the additional key would be more accepted, if it wasn't positioned directly beside the four keys over the numpad, but more integrated to the function key cluster like other boards do like KBD19X, Zambumon Sar or Austin.

In that position, the right of the additional key is aligned with Backspace and Enter. With that the space between alphas and numpad is straight down and the additional key is not disturbing the clean look.

My English is not the best, so I hope that someone understood what I mean.  :-[

But however, this is a great board.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: stoffelduss on Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:06:32
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)


Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.

edit: Replying to below: No problem, this thread is huge and this was like 300 replies earlier haha
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: SihTzu on Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:13:32
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/1vwmR7D.png)


Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.

Ohh.. My fault. I have not seen this post. Thanks for the reference.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Azurewrath on Thu, 16 April 2020, 07:21:22
Very sad that we're losing the additional key... five instead of nine keys would've been ok i guess.
Shifting print, roll lock, pause, numlock and insert to another layer would've been ok i guess, noone uses those on a regular basis anyway.. but only four keys makes it really hard to get it usable..

God i wish there would just be a normal full size version.. would buy at least three of those. :(
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: chris_1865 on Thu, 16 April 2020, 19:21:25
Really sad to hear that the additional key option will not included…though the function can be assigned to other layer, 5key actually is more manageable then 4key imo.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 April 2020, 20:42:03
I'm a bit disappointed that large USB cutouts seem to be winning out (slightly, but still winning out), even though it looks like the tight ones would fit most regular connectors and custom cables just fine. Vote for tighter holes, people! :D

In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?
Show Image
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2711/4238/products/coiledcable-9_1080x.png)

This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.

that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: honoka on Fri, 17 April 2020, 01:07:38
tighter USB port gives a much cleaner appearance. and I'm amazed to see that many people wanted a reset hole.

Plastik, can this be made optional?
Both USB hole size and hole for reset button, which is likely in different positions for all pcb's anyway.

edit: will pricing be announced before or will it be made available in the gb thread?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:22:45
With the reset switch access, I want one that I can press w my finger or none at all :/ Mmmmh why are you shocked, what are the consequences of a reset hole? Is it bad for the sound of the case?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: honoka on Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:06:07
With the reset switch access, I want one that I can press w my finger or none at all :/ Mmmmh why are you shocked, what are the consequences of a reset hole? Is it bad for the sound of the case?
why would you want a huge hole? why not settle with a hole enough for a pin at least? in my opinion access to a physical reset switch has no real use since you use key combinations to do it and it would only add more machine work. also, it would only work for the original pcb as replacement probably have a different switch placement.
why would you want access to a reset switch?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: stoffelduss on Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:44:00
Didn't think about it too hard, I use the reset switch (that I can operate with my finger) on my current keyboard all the time, but a key combination would probably be fine as well. If you mess up, and for example flash a keymap that makes it impossible to access the reset key, you'd have to disassemble the case to press the button though, right?

/edit: To explain why I'd want a big one or none at all: If there's a big one, I'll use that because it's the most convenient. If I have to use a pin, then pressing a key combination is more convenient, therefore I don't need a hole at all.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: honoka on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:20:10
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?

@PlastikSchnittstelle, could it be that people who voted thought that the only way to send reset was the physical button and in that case they had to disassemble the keyboard to reach it? in that case maybe the result of the votes regarding reset hole isnt correct
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:22:19
Plastik, can this be made optional?

Certainly not!

will pricing be announced before or will it be made available in the gb thread?

I'm still waiting fore some quotes. When I have those I can decide the final prices. Then I'm also GB ready, so at that point I might focuse on an GB thread, not the IC thread anymore. The range I mentioned already is pretty narrow.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:23:06
Vote conclusion

The vote is pretty clear. Why are some of you arguing now? Common, really?
Apart from the two first ones these are rather minor things anyway.

Beige color:
RAL 1013

Stainless steel version:
Bead blasted V2A Steel, bare, not treated

USB cutout size:
Some want it tight, many don't care and most want a big one. My conclusion is that I don't make a tight cutout. A bit bigger but also not a super huge one. Something that I feel would fit 90% of the cables. A size more towards big but still not super big.

Reset switch access:
That's a clear vote, there will be a small hole. One for a normal pen. Not so small that you would have to fiddle with a pin or so.

95% top row right cluster:
Also clear. That will be a four key, not a five key cluster.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:25:46
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?

@PlastikSchnittstelle, could it be that people who voted thought that the only way to send reset was the physical button and in that case they had to disassemble the keyboard to reach it? in that case maybe the result of the votes regarding reset hole isnt correct

maarten does really not need to confirm that, it is always that way.

DUDE! common!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: honoka on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:27:05
I was unsure and didn't want to say for certain that it always is like that. that could cause issues for some people
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: benfrain on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:29:13
Personally, I love the security of a physical reset switch - even if a key combo exists. A bit like the old paper clip hole in CD-ROM drives
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:37:15
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.

I checkt that again. Sorry, that was a bit too optimistic. It will be more like 8 - 12 weeks. You'll still have it way earlier than any GMK keycaps set you might have ordered recently.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:52:09
Regarding the kits

Until now I had planned to offer case and PCB separately. I reconsidered this and now think that this would just lead to a lot off hassle for me. Why? Because I'm sure many would just order and then realize they forgot the PCB, so I'll have to edit orders afterwards. It will be a kit, case+plate+PCB. That's like most other GBs do it as well. For the 75, 95 and maybe even the TKL, it would not make sense anyway to offer it separately since they have custom PCBs that you don't get anywhere else. 60% and 65% is different. I'm aware that a few want hot swap PCBs, so for these two sizes, I'll add the option to buy "without PCB".
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Azurewrath on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:57:36
Will it be possible to buy additional PCBs? (And/or plates?)
Not really necessary, but since you said they are completely custom i'm thinking about getting a spare if the original one ever breaks...
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:58:13
Yes, adding extra PCBs or plates will be possible.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: jakl on Fri, 17 April 2020, 06:21:24
I don't know if this was already answered or not.
Given that everything is made from steel, these will probably become rusty after some time right?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, decoupled plate, powder coated
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 06:39:41
Yes it has been answered:

I'm sorry that you had so many troubles in making an alu case, I just wonder what process are other people using since it is used almost exclusively on all the keyboards that I've seen in these years. Probably the main problem you encountered comes with the bending.
other keyboards? you mean the CNC custom keyboards? every IC/GB carefully explains what kind of material, production method and surface treatment or finish is used, no need to wonder. it is mostly aluminum, cnc, bead blasting and anodizing.
and yes, the combination of bending and aluminum was one of the main issues. that's why on most PC cases that come with an aluminum front you see these huge radiuses. there was more to it, for example sheet metal aluminum comes in different alloys compared to aluminum blocks for CNCing -. not the same result after anodizing.

Anyway steel is good, if you use stainless steel, it's even better. What thickness are you going to use? I just wonder how does aluminium sound in comparison. Probably steel is going to sound higher pitched than aluminium.
when powder coating, you certainly don't use stainless steel, that's a waste of money. the coating protects the steel and prevents it from rusting.
It's 1.5mm thickness. with this thickness the 60% already weights 1.35kg (mentioned in the start post).
imo the sound is influenced by the density of the material and overall mass/weight of the case (and more factors of course). what also plays a major factor is the decoupling/dampened mounting of the plate. I think it sound deeper compared to alu, not any resonating sound due tue the density of the material and even more due to the decoupled mounting of the plate. to me it's immediately, deeply satisfying :)
like mentioned in the start post, I'll send to next prototypes to reviewers who can review/test it - they are in a better position to give you a detailed opinion about sound and more.

And remember that even if its inox, it still rusts when it's dirty... So it should be really high quality steel.
yes, thanks, I do know that. the company that does the powder coating uses a five phase cleaning procedure. intensive and automated cleaning is a standard procedure before the coating. again, you just use standard steel when you powder coat, definitely NOT stainless steel. though there is a huge number of different steels to choose from. I have friends who work in engineering and automotive, so I have ways to figure out what the most suited alloy is.

please, if you you have actually worked with metals in the context of engineering, industrial design or automotive design and you actually know what you are talking about, then good. but otherwise you just cause confusion. no offense, I know you mean it well.

And again here:

the manufacturing does not require any moulds. if it would, the case would be very expensive. here you can see (https://www.trumpf.com/de_DE/produkte/maschinen-systeme/biegemaschinen/trubend-serie-3000/) how the machines look like that are used for sheet metal bending, they are awesome imo.

rust is not an issue. many people somehow got the idea that a non-stainless just disappears into dust after a few years. if it is treated the right way, I mean it sits on your desk, it's not exposed to intense weather conditions, it's not even outside, it's inside, on your desk! it is also not blank but powder coated, it will not rust (probably not in your or your son's lifetime). already discussed here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103257.msg2831276#msg2831276) ;)

the aging, the traces, scratches, all what comes along using an object, yes, I like that as well, it personalizes the object, makes it more yours.

---

Short:
NO it does not rust because it is powder coated.

The stainless steel version:
Also NO, not in your or your descendants lifetime. It's V2A.

Steel plate:
NO, it has the zink coating, that protects it against corrosion.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: kedayap on Fri, 17 April 2020, 09:59:56
Looks good!!! By any chance will it be possible to have a navy blue color of this? If not I'll probably get a grey/black one. Thanks!!!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:02:20
You're a bit late for color requests  ;D

Colors are set:
Beige,
Grey,
Black,
Yellow

and

Stainless Steel
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: kedayap on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:05:59
Welp, at least I tried. :D Kinda new on the hobby, this will be the first GB I'll be joining, and I can't wait!!!

One last thing, I have sweaty hands, would that affect the powder coating in the long run? I've tried searching online but I have no conclusive answer.

Thanks!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:10:54
Welp, at least I tried. :D Kinda new on the hobby, this will be the first GB I'll be joining, and I can't wait!!! Good luck sir!!!

You have chosen wisely!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 17 April 2020, 10:33:48
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?

6/8 of Maarten's PCBs that are currently in QMK have the Bootmagic or Command features enabled by default, allowing you to reset by holding Esc while plugging in, or by pressing LShift+RShift+Esc at any time, respectively. The remaining 2 are replacement PCBs for existing keyboards that have reset switches in predefined positions accessible through the case.

It's safe to assume that SKB2 PCBs will have these features enabled too.


maarten does really not need to confirm that, it is always that way.

DUDE! common!

Not always.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: norb on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:19:01
just to confirm, in one of the quotes you said using stainless steel for powdercoating would be a waste, so you'll be using two different steels for the coated and untreated version? but it would still be "legal" to get a SS and get it powdercoated myself? or would you, since you will be in possession of my address, come to my house and hit me with a 95%?

would it be possible, just a thought coming to mind, to order one "normal steel" without the powdercoating? i'll definitely get one of the yellow but may be interested in getting another one for future use with another flashy color. i'd totally understand if that wasn't possible  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Magnificent Bureaucrat on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:53:51
Loving the comprehensive posts wrapping up all the questions that are flying around :thumb:

I'll definitely be in for a 60% in black to go with a HS60. This is going to be the perfect backdrop for GMK Dracula.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Fri, 17 April 2020, 11:59:06
just to confirm, in one of the quotes you said using stainless steel for powdercoating would be a waste, so you'll be using two different steels for the coated and untreated version? but it would still be "legal" to get a SS and get it powdercoated myself? or would you, since you will be in possession of my address, come to my house and hit me with a 95%?

If you get the stainless steel version or any, of course you are free to do with it whatever you desire. Anyway, I would still come over and hit you with the 95%! Powder coating stainless steel would be plain stupid, here is why:

The powder coating relies on a phosphate layer that builds during the preparation process before the actual coating. This phosphate layer is partly responsible for the very firm connection of the steel and the powder. With standard steel you can achieve a very healthy phosphate layer but with stainless steel, that phosphate layer will almost be none existent. Therefore, you will loose one of the big benefits of powder coating, which is its very strong connection to the metal. No one who has a clue about metal and powder coating would use stainless steel for that.

 :thumb:

would it be possible, just a thought coming to mind, to order one "normal steel" without the powdercoating? i'll definitely get one of the yellow but may be interested in getting another one for future use with another flashy color. i'd totally understand if that wasn't possible  :thumb:

Think about the number of colors I'm offering combined with the sizes and its versions. It's already a lot to manage. ExtraWürste like that would end up in a total nightmare for me. Sorry, no.

 :(
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: norb on Fri, 17 April 2020, 12:12:28
no problem, thanks for the in-depth explanation!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Hell-es on Fri, 17 April 2020, 12:22:54
Ah everything so nice and almost ready ... time to learn soldering  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: hkiri on Fri, 17 April 2020, 12:42:40
Definitely gonna join this round. Have to support my fellow Hessians ;)
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: bigapplepietart on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:23:45
Will likely take a silver and a black!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: tyler1820 on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:39:02
Hey! The board looks great but I have some questions, sorry if they were asked before.

How much will the early bird discount be? Also, if the discount costs more than the actual gb purchase how would that be handled?
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: ZG2047 on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:40:52
Hey! The board looks great but I have some questions, sorry if they were asked before.

How much will the early bird discount be? Also, if the discount costs more than the actual gb purchase how would that be handled?

The early bird was quite a while ago unfortunately we are all waiting for the GB
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: Senor Coconut on Fri, 17 April 2020, 14:53:40
@tyler1820, here is your answer
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.

I don't see anything unfortunate about waiting for the GB. Plastik made many decisions since some of us became early birds. Decisions that are leading with confidence to next week GB.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:36:52
@tyler1820, here is your answer
Quick answer: An SKB2 case of your choice.
Roughly of 20% advantage over normal price. So if your choice will be one of the bigger cases you might still have a small amount left to pay. Had mentioned it, but I don't know where :)
Yea, I’ll be completely honest, I just paid the invoice without knowing what I was getting. I’m just happy to be here.

I don't see anything unfortunate about waiting for the GB. Plastik made many decisions since some of us became early birds. Decisions that are leading with confidence to next week GB.

GB is next week? Maaan.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:38:16
I think "next week" was a maybe
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: bisky on Fri, 17 April 2020, 17:58:42
Hey there I'm pretty new to the mech keys community this will be my first GB. The design is fantastic definitely need that beige!!

One question I had regarding the plate/PCB - will I need PCB mounted switches or will plate mounted be okay? Don't want to accidentally have 3 pin switches and realise I needed 5 pins. Apologies if it has been answered before or is very obvious.. Cheers and can't wait!
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: Bl4ck on Fri, 17 April 2020, 18:02:20
Hey there I'm pretty new to the mech keys community this will be my first GB. The design is fantastic definitely need that beige!!

One question I had regarding the plate/PCB - will I need PCB mounted switches or will plate mounted be okay? Don't want to accidentally have 3 pin switches and realise I needed 5 pins. Apologies if it has been answered before or is very obvious.. Cheers and can't wait!

Plate mounted always work, might be more wobbly because of no guide pins

Edit: Since your new, I might add, normally plate mount won't be good for plateless keyboards because it will be pretty hard to align them but they will "work" in that it will still register keypresses, because the difference between 3 and 5 pin are 2 plastic guide pins which make no connection difference
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 17 April 2020, 18:12:01
Hey there I'm pretty new to the mech keys community this will be my first GB. The design is fantastic definitely need that beige!!

One question I had regarding the plate/PCB - will I need PCB mounted switches or will plate mounted be okay? Don't want to accidentally have 3 pin switches and realise I needed 5 pins. Apologies if it has been answered before or is very obvious.. Cheers and can't wait!

Plate mounted always work, might be more wobbly because of no guide pins

Edit: Since your new, I might add, normally plate mount won't be good for plateless keyboards because it will be pretty hard to align them but they will "work" in that it will still register keypresses, because the difference between 3 and 5 pin are 2 plastic guide pins which make no connection difference

There's no reason to ever buy plate-mounted (3-pin) switches, unless you have no other choice (e.g. Box switches only come in plate-mount). The overwhelming majority of custom PCBs have PCB-mount holes, and even on builds with plates, the extra pins don't hurt as they add stability and help with switch alignment during the build. Plus, even if your PCB doesn't have the extra holes, 5-pin switches can always be made into 3-pin switches by cutting off the alignment pins.
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Post by: bisky on Fri, 17 April 2020, 18:16:02
Thanks for the clarification Bl4ck and konstantin  :thumb: will definitely try to find the 5 pin switches in this case
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Post by: Henrythewound on Sat, 18 April 2020, 09:38:02
Very interested in this upcoming GB, always like to see an 1800 layout available. If the total cost with shipping to the US isn't too bad I may grab a 75 and an 1800.
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Post by: chris_1865 on Sat, 18 April 2020, 12:51:47
Will there be any decoration on the case on where the 95% additional key used to be? It loocks a bit weird on the reserved space...
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Post by: dabbaranks on Sat, 18 April 2020, 16:32:15
What are the size of the top and side screws? Sorry if this was covered but I did a quick search on each page but only saw that they're M3.
Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated
Post by: eebogaine on Sun, 19 April 2020, 14:14:46
What are the size of the top and side screws? Sorry if this was covered but I did a quick search on each page but only saw that they're M3.

That's because they are M3:

Tried to find it, but either I didn't try hard enough, or there's really no such info: what's the size of the screws that are used to mount the plate? I guess, it's either M3 or M4?
I was thinking about using spanner head screws to achieve more industrial look.

all M3
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Post by: killchain on Sun, 19 April 2020, 15:00:40
With nickel being left out, I'm in an even more confused state about which colour to choose. Is it too much to ask for a render (or some guide/resources on how to make the renders myself if it's too much of a hassle and you don't mind sharing the files)? I'm going with PBT Hive (https://thekey.company/products/infinikey-hive) for now and I suppose that it'd look kinda off with the black version (since the set is in very dark blue, not black). Would've gone with nickel most probably if it was available, but now I'm rather torn between black, steel and yellow (a bit too flashy, but I think it will match the blue and yellow of the keycap set nicely).

Also, any chance for another early bird round if the GB doesn't start right away?
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Post by: teejstroyer on Sun, 19 April 2020, 15:09:21
With nickel being left out, I'm in an even more confused state about which colour to choose. Is it too much to ask for a render (or some guide/resources on how to make the renders myself if it's too much of a hassle and you don't mind sharing the files)? I'm going with PBT Hive (https://thekey.company/products/infinikey-hive) for now and I suppose that it'd look kinda off with the black version. Would've gone with nickel most probably if it was available, but now I'm rather torn between black, steel and yellow (a bit too flashy, but I think it will match the blue and yellow of the keycap set nicely).

Also, any chance for another early bird round if the GB doesn't start right away?
I believe there is a gray option, depending on the gray, that could actually look pretty nice as well


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Post by: online on Mon, 20 April 2020, 08:17:28
can the steel version be polished after? (mirror-like finish)
Also, how big is the space between PCB and the bottom case? I'm thinking of using a Bluetooth PCB, so need space for battery(~3mm).
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Post by: Nim on Mon, 20 April 2020, 09:03:09
it's steel, no reason you can't spend hours upon hours to polish it to a fingerprint attracting shine.
As to people touting "use bootmagic(lite)", that's all fun and games till you derp the flash and don't have that on the map anymore. A small reset button cutout is just handy
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Post by: eebogaine on Mon, 20 April 2020, 17:59:26
For those wanting renders to decide which colours to buy, just try photoshoping your keycap set onto the existing photos. Doesn't have to be perfect to help decide.
And if you do make some, post them here so others can benefit!

Here's MT3 /dev/tty on Grey and Black:
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Title: Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
Post by: lz2019 on Mon, 20 April 2020, 21:41:58
Really like the many sizes being offered  :thumb: 
Will this be at same price range as the previous round of SKB75 & SKB60?
Thanks.
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Post by: Myk! on Tue, 21 April 2020, 00:16:15
Might join either 65 or 75.

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Post by: vaf1en on Tue, 21 April 2020, 00:19:42
Really like the many sizes being offered  :thumb: 
Will this be at same price range as the previous round of SKB75 & SKB60?
Thanks.
OP is a fantastic source of information.
It has the following FAQ entry:
Quote
Q: How much will it cost?
A: Prices are not set jet. Too many variables. Rough estimate is that the smallest 40% will land slightly under 100€ and the biggest 95% version will be around 150€. That's without the PCB and Shipping.
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Post by: pott on Tue, 21 April 2020, 01:25:24
Quick question, and sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Will plates be compatible between SKB (OG) and SKB2?
I have a Boardwalk I'm building on an SKB60. If I want to upgrade it to the SKB2 case because why not, could I simply swap the plates both ways? Thanks!
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Post by: consumer on Tue, 21 April 2020, 02:26:36
Quick question, and sorry if this has been mentioned before.

Will plates be compatible between SKB (OG) and SKB2?
I have a Boardwalk I'm building on an SKB60. If I want to upgrade it to the SKB2 case because why not, could I simply swap the plates both ways? Thanks!
I think this was answered in #642. They are not compatible from my understanding - the screws placements are different.

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Post by: PlastikSchnittstelle on Tue, 21 April 2020, 10:28:15
One last thing, I have sweaty hands, would that affect the powder coating in the long run? I've tried searching